correction: All cities DO NOT have the same resources avaiable. City mines and foundries are not possible in all cities. Additionally, i think there is one city with a wonder.
I played EQ2 for 9 months and I like DF better.
What I didnt like about EQ2 personally was the following
1. graphics
2. literally everything was quest based. impossible to play game without questing.
3. nothing in DF even comes close to the grind of high level crafting in EQ2
4. crafting was somewhat lmited compared to what I would have liked to have seen (not compared to other MMO's). Example: team built and team used catipult!
I will say this, a DF version of collection quests would get people out into the DF world which is pretty sweet place to explore.
Well thanks for the correction. I was going by what I have read on that.
See I love the graphics in EQ2. But we each have our own opinion on graphics. I like the world graphics of Darkfall but hate the animations I see.
I like quests but also like open worlds like in Second Life. What I really enjoy is lore. So far from what I have read thhis game is on the low side for that. I know your suppose to make your own, but I would like a good starter base to go on.
For the grind on crafting I think that is also based on opinion. I like the crafting in EQ2, I liked it more when the game first came out and you had to make all the sub-components. or buy them from other players. But I like the way it is now also.
Now I agree with you on the collection quests, Right now from what I have read and seen, a lot of players just seem to hang out in the cities instead of being out in the world.
My question is if you have this big world to explore, why does most seem to hang around in the cities?
I am fine with everything you have said! which is odd for me.
I think people stay in the cities for two reasons.
1. the whole "hard core pvp" insanity has attracted highly competitive people who only care about winning and will do whatever it takes to win. best way to win is to macro and grind.
2. outside of the meer fun of exploring geography and artistic design (which I like) there is no in game reason to explore whatesoever. Which is why I think they need a collection based solution. this would get people out more and this would increase the PvP intrest.
I think you're right about why the world is so empty and everyone stays inside the cities, but you don't even have to offer some sort of collection based system to solve the problem. Just make the mobs for viable, maybe some diversity to the spawns, and there's all the reason in the world to go up. You'd be getting your skillups while making money.
But the thought of going out and grinding mobs doesn't sound appealing. Spend more killing them than I gain back the majority of the time, and whatever profit there is, it's just not enough. Make more solo-friendly mobs, increase their value and that's a huge step towards the right direction.
There was something in AC2 (meh, I know) that would work well for Darkfall potentially. A quest you get upon killing a mob, that just makes you kill more of them (or get drops, skin, whatever) in a certain amount of time and gave you a nice XP boost. Since there's no experience, and skills raise by use, just add a nice little 200g deposit on completion into the character's inventory or so. Have it so it's a group effort, so groups stay more static, and make it repeatable instantly. It would encourage large groups of people to leave the city, together, grouped, and hunt around the entire landscape for a reward that's worth it, increasing not just PVP, but group PVP as well.
correction: All cities DO NOT have the same resources avaiable. City mines and foundries are not possible in all cities. Additionally, i think there is one city with a wonder.
I played EQ2 for 9 months and I like DF better.
What I didnt like about EQ2 personally was the following
1. graphics
2. literally everything was quest based. impossible to play game without questing.
3. nothing in DF even comes close to the grind of high level crafting in EQ2
4. crafting was somewhat lmited compared to what I would have liked to have seen (not compared to other MMO's). Example: team built and team used catipult!
I will say this, a DF version of collection quests would get people out into the DF world which is pretty sweet place to explore.
Well thanks for the correction. I was going by what I have read on that.
See I love the graphics in EQ2. But we each have our own opinion on graphics. I like the world graphics of Darkfall but hate the animations I see.
I like quests but also like open worlds like in Second Life. What I really enjoy is lore. So far from what I have read thhis game is on the low side for that. I know your suppose to make your own, but I would like a good starter base to go on.
For the grind on crafting I think that is also based on opinion. I like the crafting in EQ2, I liked it more when the game first came out and you had to make all the sub-components. or buy them from other players. But I like the way it is now also.
Now I agree with you on the collection quests, Right now from what I have read and seen, a lot of players just seem to hang out in the cities instead of being out in the world.
My question is if you have this big world to explore, why does most seem to hang around in the cities?
I am fine with everything you have said! which is odd for me.
I think people stay in the cities for two reasons.
1. the whole "hard core pvp" insanity has attracted highly competitive people who only care about winning and will do whatever it takes to win. best way to win is to macro and grind.
2. outside of the meer fun of exploring geography and artistic design (which I like) there is no in game reason to explore whatesoever. Which is why I think they need a collection based solution. this would get people out more and this would increase the PvP intrest.
I think you're right about why the world is so empty and everyone stays inside the cities, but you don't even have to offer some sort of collection based system to solve the problem. Just make the mobs for viable, maybe some diversity to the spawns, and there's all the reason in the world to go up. You'd be getting your skillups while making money.
But the thought of going out and grinding mobs doesn't sound appealing. Spend more killing them than I gain back the majority of the time, and whatever profit there is, it's just not enough. Make more solo-friendly mobs, increase their value and that's a huge step towards the right direction.
There was something in AC2 (meh, I know) that would work well for Darkfall potentially. A quest you get upon killing a mob, that just makes you kill more of them (or get drops, skin, whatever) in a certain amount of time and gave you a nice XP boost. Since there's no experience, and skills raise by use, just add a nice little 200g deposit or so. It would encourage large groups of people to leave the city, together, grouped, and hunt around the entire landscape for a reward that's worth it, increasing not just PVP, but group PVP as well.
these are good ideas and I support them
but even with these needed improvements I personally STILL think its a great game.
but yes, game needs some improvement and more than likely it will, just not this afternoon
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I cut myself several times afterwards for punishment. I didn't feel that actually playing was torture enough.
I'm going to log in again to annoy people. Afterwards I plan on taking a hammer to my sac, and drinking a cup of paint thinner to get the awful taste out of my mouth.
Chalk it up as a moment of poor judgement.
For whatever reason I got it into my head that maybe the horribly done FPS combat was due to the bugs in the UI.
I was wrong. Now that my UI actually works right, it's even more clear.
DFO has the WORST FPS combat I've ever experienced.
WoW. And in a fit of absolute boredom I resubbed DFO.
I cut myself several times afterwards for punishment. I didn't feel that actually playing was torture enough.
I'm going to log in again to annoy people. Afterwards I plan on taking a hammer to my sac, and drinking a cup of paint thinner to get the awful taste out of my mouth. Chalk it up as a moment of poor judgement.
For whatever reason I got it into my head that maybe the horribly done FPS combat was due to the bugs in the UI.
I was wrong. Now that my UI actually works right, it's even more clear. DFO has the WORST FPS combat I've ever experienced. I'm thinking I may just resub my L2 accounts.
I ask this out of complete ignornace.
What MMO's have FPS combat?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I personally thought the FPS aspect of the game was one of the stronger points, and that the melee system could use some tweaking. Not that it's absolutely horrible, but it feels too much like just trading swings. Spellborn had the same type of 3rd person active melee system Darkfall uses, granted more abilities on a hotbar, but the swings and everything are virtually identical, but movement was absolutely key in Spellborn to dodge and such, it doesn't seem to work as well on Darkfall.
The hit registry, the way the bow mechanics work (rate of travel, etc), all seem to be solid to me. I play PVK2 (Pirates, Vikings, Knights 2) all the time, and that has some of the best FPS bow action out of any game I've played recently, and Darkfall is right there next to it. Same goes for the magic, it's solid, it registers, spell travel time isn't too fast, or too slow.
I personally thought the FPS aspect of the game was one of the stronger points, and that the melee system could use some tweaking. Not that it's absolutely horrible, but it feels too much like just trading swings. Spellborn had the same type of 3rd person active melee system Darkfall uses, granted more abilities on a hotbar, but the swings and everything are virtually identical, but movement was absolutely key in Spellborn to dodge and such, it doesn't seem to work as well on Darkfall.
The hit registry, the way the bow mechanics work (rate of travel, etc), all seem to be solid to me. I play PVK2 (Pirates, Vikings, Knights 2) all the time, and that has some of the best FPS bow action out of any game I've played recently, and Darkfall is right there next to it. Same goes for the magic, it's solid, it registers, spell travel time isn't too fast, or too slow. /shrug.
I just went to the Spellborn website out of curiousity becuase I havent read of it. Nice to see another game that doesnt look like a cartoon. That alone could pull me intrested.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I'm not a hater, i'm just being realistic about that crappy game. When a company lies and lies and takes over 10 years to release a game that has 1% of what was promises, dont you have the right to be disapointed in them ? Game is a POS period. To answer the OP question, the whole MMO genre right now is very dull and boring. It's all seems to be the same old thing all over again. So i havent played a MMO in over 6 months. Right now i'm playing Fallout 3.
You start with "I'm not a hater" and every statement follows contradict that.
"Fallout 3" is not even a MMO.
Really Darth what part of "So I haven't played a MMO in over 6 months. Right now I'm playing Fallout 3" Did you not understand?
Here let me explain it to you. He states he has not played a MMO in 6 months but is now playing Fallout 3. He is aware its not a MMO as he stated he has not played a MMO in 6 months.
Fallout 3 is a great game and while yes it IS NOT A MMO, that does not mean that MMO's can't take fun things from single player games and incorperate them into a MMO. Most people here seem to agree that many MMO's have become stagnent doing just the same old same old thats been done before.
In the meantime keep up the good defense of Darkfall, heaven knows it needs all the help it can get.
Really Darth what part of "So I haven't played a MMO in over 6 months. Right now I'm playing Fallout 3" Did you not understand? Here let me explain it to you. He states he has not played a MMO in 6 months but is now playing Fallout 3. He is aware its not a MMO as he stated he has not played a MMO in 6 months. Fallout 3 is a great game and while yes it IS NOT A MMO, that does not mean that MMO's can't take fun things from single player games and incorperate them into a MMO. Most people here seem to agree that many MMO's have become stagnent doing just the same old same old thats been done before. In the meantime keep up the good defense of Darkfall, heaven knows it needs all the help it can get.
well I do agree with you pointing out the fallout MMO comment and you are right I will reply (becuase i have nothing else to do) with two items.
1. Its not as easy to put what is possible in a single player game into a MMO. If it was something similar to DF would have come out around the year of Morrowind.
2. I personally didnt like Fallout 3. Although my dislike for it didnt start until I was on the main quest in the main city. I might want to try it again and avoid the main quest completely becuase I found it slightly retarded.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Not currently playing an MMO.. Been playing Sacred 2 and Links 2003 and Hot Shots Golf for PS3.
Rhinok.. Last I checked with Huxley is that its pretty much a Quake / Unreal game with a Hub where you go into games from ( like a town area much like Guild Wars ).. Once in a game its pretty much a normal FPS and not an open world. However this infomation is pretty old and I really dont know if that has been changed or not.
I am not sure I understand why so many gamers take it personal when someone likes this game. Its like the relgious folk that are just furious if one person on their city block is not relgious and might want to go see a movie they find offensive Sorry, some people (and if it makes you feel better, a minority) actually like this game. Try not to take it personally.
if it makes you all feel anymore comfortable I assure you we get 10 times the hate you guys do.
No one that I know has indicated that they take it personally that someone enjoys darkfall. Nothing personal but, the OP comes on and indicates that he is looking for a better game and is unable to decide upon his self to conclude that. He then comes into a different forum asking those who hate that game which game he should play. I have to ask if he posted similar questions on the DF fourm, and if not,….why? Nothing personal but that is the basic definition of a wanna-be hardcore player, in that, he must rely upon someone to tell him what game to play and enjoy. I say enjoy that game, if his resources indicate that DF is “THE GAME” then go for it, why come here seeking a “better” game????? He loves DF and there is no reasologically to come here and say, “hey all you people who hate DF, please help me find a game that is more enjoyable to me.
ok, speaking personally everything you just wrote sounds to me like someone who is directly involved in the contest of who plays the bettter game.
as far as me personally i cant express how meaningless it would be to call myself anything whatsoever. let alone a "hard core gamer" whatever that actually means I dont even want to know.
I agree, the OP sounds as if he is seeking a more popular game yet, the statement stands, I have yet seen anyone report they were, in anyway, upset that a person would enjoy DF. I agree with you on self proclaimed labels such as hardcore whatever that is suppose to mean as compared to a carebear…whatever that is. Therefore, I am lost when the game identifies itself as “hardcore” which appears to draw such gamers as OP to the site and ask for help finding better games that he would enjoy…titled DF haters.
I think you missed it. I , like him, am not asking what the "more popular game" is. I, like him, am asking for a baseline comparsion so that we can more clearly understand what aspects of other games people do like that this game does not do.
When I ask the question I am 100% honest in the question. A LOT of people dont like this game, I like this game but I am not so proud of myself to entertain the possiblity that maybe I have missed a game that in fact I would like more. knowing what is wrong with the game doesnt help me try to find out if there is a game out which might be more intresting than i expect
People have answered the question and I have looked up the games, it just for me, the games listed didnt appeal to me.
Is this more clear now?
As far as people saying they are upset with people who like DF do you seriously think I meant people say that literally? most people who would feel that way wouldnt even be concious of it
Then we circle around and I ask, why do you come to these fourms, label a post “ DF HATERS” and ask for a game that is better? Obviously, DF haters, who I am not one, will give you examples of why they do not like that game as compared to the ones they like. They will tell you what they do like which is not found in DF. If you seek to find a better game, why is it that you come here and ask those who hate DF about other games that may be better??...as if they would know what you like! In short, there is something wrong when you seek a base line about a game from a site that you are fully aware of which does not like DF and make sure to address those that do not like it by title of DF haters.
Furthermore, you state, “When I ask the question I am 100% honest in the question.” Then you make a self imposed fact that people get upset when they learn of others who enjoy the game. How am I supposed to know the difference when you make such claims? If you come on to a site that is not DF asking what people who hate DF like when it is obvious that they are DF haters,,,,whatever that is. Why don’t you just try another game that looks interesting to you and let the DF haters be? Better yet, go to the DF fourms and ask the question there? Or would your ego take a hit?
Would this entire conversation and debate be resolved if the title said "for those would dont like DF what are you playing instead"?
speaking personally, consider that my question.
I would more apt to ask in general since you are looking for a base line which would include all players, hence the term base line sample. Why address those who do not like DF? That may be a rather large amount of people who would start out with negative remarks addressing issues in DF. I am not trying to be negative, I am just trying to figure out why (other than to start another I hate DF thread, which we don’t need) you would focus the question upon those who do not appreciate DF. The OP of this thread came off as challenging with, “What game are you currently playing? Come on dont be shy and stay on topic please.” No other reason other than to start a DF love/hate thread which there are floods of already, he just opens the door for more arguments and debate which is not necessary because I for one want to see DF grow. Coming to a site where DF haters are and asking the question only throws fuel on the fire here. If the dude/dudette wants to know the games people play then damn, ask.
I am retired military which has allowed me to sit back and enjoy the things I like best which is playing different games (compliments of the US tax payer hehe). I have not yet played DF because I see a lot of hacking which is my greatest weakness to hate. Since I have hated too much in my life, I choose to not set up the temptation. Answering your question: I play Eve and WOW when the house is empty, when the family returns home I shift to Enemy Territory and/or one of the Battlefield series. Now, it should be obvious that each member of these fourms are gona have a different pattern of game playing. Which leads me right back to the point of “what is the purpose of asking what games are being played because it is obvious that each person will have a different game being played or combination thereof. The only reason I can detect is that the OP wanted to ruffle feathers. Share with me bro, am I way off or is there a different reason for asking those who hate the game what game they do play?
I would more apt to ask in general since you are looking for a base line which would include all players, hence the term base line sample. Why address those who do not like DF? That may be a rather large amount of people who would start out with negative remarks addressing issues in DF. I am not trying to be negative, I am just trying to figure out why (other than to start another I hate DF thread, which we don’t need) you would focus the question upon those who do not appreciate DF. The OP of this thread came off as challenging with, “What game are you currently playing? Come on dont be shy and stay on topic please.” No other reason other than to start a DF love/hate thread which there are floods of already, he just opens the door for more arguments and debate which is not necessary because I for one want to see DF grow. Coming to a site where DF haters are and asking the question only throws fuel on the fire here. If the dude/dudette wants to know the games people play then damn, ask.
I am retired military which has allowed me to sit back and enjoy the things I like best which is playing different games (compliments of the US tax payer hehe). I have not yet played DF because I see a lot of hacking which is my greatest weakness to hate. Since I have hated too much in my life, I choose to not set up the temptation. Answering your question: I play Eve and WOW when the house is empty, when the family returns home I shift to Enemy Territory and/or one of the Battlefield series. Now, it should be obvious that each member of these fourms are gona have a different pattern of game playing. Which leads me right back to the point of “what is the purpose of asking what games are being played because it is obvious that each person will have a different game being played or combination thereof. The only reason I can detect is that the OP wanted to ruffle feathers. Share with me bro, am I way off or is there a different reason for asking those who hate the game what game they do play?
its really not this complicated.
I go into a bowling ally and I like it, someone says they dont like this one that much. I ask "oh cool which one do you like more than this I should go check it out sometime"?
that is it.
that is my question.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I am not sure I understand why so many gamers take it personal when someone likes this game. Its like the relgious folk that are just furious if one person on their city block is not relgious and might want to go see a movie they find offensive Sorry, some people (and if it makes you feel better, a minority) actually like this game. Try not to take it personally.
if it makes you all feel anymore comfortable I assure you we get 10 times the hate you guys do.
I don't think anybody really hates the players that like darkfall except for a couple of exceptions. Those exceptions would be due to the lying and stupid posts they spew. If you enjoy the game that is fine.
as for the topic:
I play EQ, EQ2, Vanguard and now starting AION. These are my casual games. With that said, I'm looking to play a good "Sandbox" game. However this game while having sandbox features does not allow the freedom I am looking for. Since I cannot make the character I want or do the things I think a game like this should have for features.
With all cities having the same resources available and world banks. I find little reason to want to seige another city. While I love PVP I want reasons to battle. So far I find none in this game except for ego, and sorry that is not enough for me to play it.
While full loot is fine. That is not enough of a penalty for me. Dieing should be rough but just losing loot that can be replaced in a short period of time is not a penalty for me.
Since there is no burden in this game such as if I wear full armor but can move like someone naked makes me not want to play this game. Watching fully armored players running as fast as a robed player is a turn off for me.
Being able to get every skill in the game is a turn off for me also, I want skill caps that make me choose what I'm willing to sacrafice to get what I want. I want magic skills I have ot lose sword skills for an example.
These are my opinions. Now does that mean no one could like Darkfall? No, it just means the game is lacking for me and by appearances, a lot of other potential players.
correction: All cities DO NOT have the same resources avaiable. City mines and foundries are not possible in all cities. Additionally, i think there is one city with a wonder.
I played EQ2 for 9 months and I like DF better.
What I didnt like about EQ2 personally was the following
1. graphics
2. literally everything was quest based. impossible to play game without questing.
3. nothing in DF even comes close to the grind of high level crafting in EQ2
4. crafting was somewhat lmited compared to what I would have liked to have seen (not compared to other MMO's). Example: team built and team used catipult!
I will say this, a DF version of collection quests would get people out into the DF world which is pretty sweet place to explore.
I Play EQ2 (In the past played Asherons call, and Shadowbane)
#1. Graphics is basically opinion. We've already seen the the MMOitialian guys in beta (and many of the fans ) Say Darkfall has graphics better then LoTRO, or AoC. So won't argue it further
#2. Well Everquest is Everquest. Some people prefer sitting pretty much in one spot grinding out the same mobs, me personally i like the quests to keep me from that tedium. (Different measures of what we are willing to accept.)
#3. If you played EQ2 in the first 9 months then you really can't judge its crafting now 3 years later. just got done doing a crafting dungeon last night which was a nice new twist (A Portal in the void had been destroyed by a meteor, and had to be fixed ASAP so NPC raiders could escape.)
#4 there is alot to craft nowadays, (but gone are the bits and pieces one used to have to make to make items) and not all the recipes and materials are easy to get so if your used to just going and learning a recipe, or chopping a tree and making something then yes I could see how you might describe it as a grind.(The best crafting materials and rexcipes are not just handed to you)
My questiom you. Why is the Df world a sweet place to explore? You mean just graphically, as you and other seem to state there is no reason currently really to explore. If I was just looking for pretty graphics to look at and call exploring I'd progbably guess AoC, Vanguard or a host of other fits at least that much of the bill, and most likely several of them would actually have some reason or reward to explore. (EQ2 has AA exp for exploring new areas, and of course quests)
I Play EQ2 (In the past played Asherons call, and Shadowbane) #1. Graphics is basically opinion. We've already seen the the MMOitialian guys in beta (and many of the fans ) Say Darkfall has graphics better then LoTRO, or AoC. So won't argue it further #2. Well Everquest is Everquest. Some people prefer sitting pretty much in one spot grinding out the same mobs, me personally i like the quests to keep me from that tedium. (Different measures of what we are willing to accept.) #3. If you played EQ2 in the first 9 months then you really can't judge its crafting now 3 years later. just got done doing a crafting dungeon last night which was a nice new twist (A Portal in the void had been destroyed by a meteor, and had to be fixed ASAP so NPC raiders could escape.) #4 there is alot to craft nowadays, (but gone are the bits and pieces one used to have to make to make items) and not all the recipes and materials are easy to get so if your used to just going and learning a recipe, or chopping a tree and making something then yes I could see how you might describe it as a grind.(The best crafting materials and rexcipes are not just handed to you) My questiom you. Why is the Df world a sweet place to explore? You mean just graphically, as you and other seem to state there is no reason currently really to explore. If I was just looking for pretty graphics to look at and call exploring I'd progbably guess AoC, Vanguard or a host of other fits at least that much of the bill, and most likely several of them would actually have some reason or reward to explore. (EQ2 has AA exp for exploring new areas, and of course quests)
A few things need to be clarified.
1. I played for about month when it first came out and then 9 months starting last year. So just this year I was working on level 50's tailoring and I personally found it to be more of a grind that DF.
2. I adore to explore and I found EQ2 to actually be limiting in how I can explore. In DF I can literally kill nothing at all and still see about 99% of the map. That I like. So what you see limiting in movement I actually see as expansive in movement.
3. Graphics, yes I agree I do not have the intellectual capacity to reason with those who think EQ2 has better graphics than DF that just completely blows me away.
Now to answer your question.
Ironcally EQ2 has more reasons to explore but acutally less Real-estate to do so. While DF has more intresting landscapes and larger possiblities to explore but less reason to do so.
I like to explore, I like to explore in life as well. I need no mission or reason to do so. In fact, often having a mission for explorer personalities can be counter productive.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I like to explore, I like to explore in life as well. I need no mission or reason to do so. In fact, often having a mission for explorer personalities can be counter productive.
Linear MMOs that are quest-based do eliminate the need and desire to explore, and it frustrates me. I used to run around Asheron's Call, and oldschool EverQuest for hours just to look around and find new stuff.
The problem is, Darkfall has this huge area, to explore, that actually is very diverse in visuals, and doesn't look bad, at all. There's a lot of interesting places, just nothing to see other than the landscape. The world, outside of the cities and hamlets, needs to be a little more active. But, it is one of the only MMOs I've played in the last few years other than Ryzom that really supports going out and just exploring.
I like to explore, I like to explore in life as well. I need no mission or reason to do so. In fact, often having a mission for explorer personalities can be counter productive.
Linear MMOs that are quest-based do eliminate the need and desire to explore, and it frustrates me. I used to run around Asheron's Call, and oldschool EverQuest for hours just to look around and find new stuff.
The problem is, Darkfall has this huge area, to explore, that actually is very diverse in visuals, and doesn't look bad, at all. There's a lot of interesting places, just nothing to see other than the landscape. The world, outside of the cities and hamlets, needs to be a little more active. But, it is one of the only MMOs I've played in the last few years other than Ryzom that really supports going out and just exploring.
agreed. Hell if they just simply made more of the existing chests interactive that alone would help. Just last night I ran into two chest that were in fact...nothing other than eye candy.
I personaly would step it up and make some items only possible to find in chests but first thing first could be just make the existing world more interactive.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
WoW players weren't target audience. Guys you were for such long period of times in the wrong forums and didn't noticed it ?
Ok i understand it if someone thinks he would like something for some limited period of time ..but common ..
We talk about months if not years some of you pester these forum.
People from inside and outside of the company say to you WoW player aren't target audience.
Stop bashing the game that was not build for you LOL try AION or sorta themepark and maybe you find your game LOL
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Why? Cause it's sci, and its the ultimate sandbox/total freedom mmorpg there is.
Take last night for instance , i logged on to run some lvl 4 missions, nice quiet night, when over alliance chat i read that a rival alliance has set up a pos in OUR system. After rallying the troops, we decided to hit the station, over 150+ flying anything from noobie frigates to battleships to carriers/drednaughts, the fight last 3 hours, at one point our alliance started running low on ammo (thankfully i am amarr :P ) and i logged in my alt in a Badger Mark II, loaded it with 20k m3 of ammo and dropped it off in a secure container for alliance members to restock. Lost my ship and pod, but managed to help restock my alliance on the suicide run and we succeeded in taking out the POS. All this is a 5month old toon ( i was flying a battlecruiser, and took out 3 or 4 cruisers and assisted in the pos take down).
WoW players weren't target audience. Guys you were for such long period of times in the wrong forums and didn't noticed it ? Ok i understand it if someone thinks he would like something for some limited period of time ..but common .. We talk about months if not years some of you pester these forum. People from inside and outside of the company say to you WoW player aren't target audience. Stop bashing the game that was not build for you LOL try AION or sorta themepark and maybe you find your game LOL
i remember someone in this forums said that firts day of launch, Darkfall would attract millions of wow players, struck by the awesome game darkfall will be and their realization that wow was void
What game are you currently playing? Come on dont be shy and stay on topic please.
Darkfall.
Of course, I am not really a hater, that's just what the blind fantards call me. This weekend is it for me though. My sub runs out and then I am sitting tight until the NA release.
Is realy all so called haters here Darkfall haters? I think some people here don't have a opinion about the game but about Aventurine. It's hard to not be sceptic about Aventurine.
And about the topic, i am not playing any game at the moment but eagerly awaiting a game where i can build a cabin and collect the brains of my victims.
WoW. And in a fit of absolute boredom I resubbed DFO.
I cut myself several times afterwards for punishment. I didn't feel that actually playing was torture enough.
I'm going to log in again to annoy people. Afterwards I plan on taking a hammer to my sac, and drinking a cup of paint thinner to get the awful taste out of my mouth. Chalk it up as a moment of poor judgement.
For whatever reason I got it into my head that maybe the horribly done FPS combat was due to the bugs in the UI.
I was wrong. Now that my UI actually works right, it's even more clear. DFO has the WORST FPS combat I've ever experienced. I'm thinking I may just resub my L2 accounts.
I ask this out of complete ignornace.
What MMO's have FPS combat?
Face of Mankind.
The chronicles of spellborne
Planetside
All 3 of these I've played.
FoM
Very much like DFO when it came out. Complete lack of content, but the game was designed around the idea that players would literally create it. You actually made the quests in game that others would participate in. The system didn't work so well though. Aside from that it was very much an RP kind of game.
TCoS
I tried the free trial for a bit. Not a bad game, just didn't really grab me and pull me in.
PS
Another one that was bad, but didn't really grab me.
I am not sure I understand why so many gamers take it personal when someone likes this game. Its like the relgious folk that are just furious if one person on their city block is not relgious and might want to go see a movie they find offensive Sorry, some people (and if it makes you feel better, a minority) actually like this game. Try not to take it personally.
if it makes you all feel anymore comfortable I assure you we get 10 times the hate you guys do.
I'm not sure I understand why so many gamers take it personal when someone dislikes this game.
its like the non religious folk that are just furious if one person on their city block is religious and might not want to go see a movie they find offensive.
Sorry, some people (and if it makes you feel better, a MAJORITY) actually hate this game. Try not to take it personally.
If it makes you all feel any more uncomfortable I assure you lots of people got ripped off by the BS this company spewed out.
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correction: All cities DO NOT have the same resources avaiable. City mines and foundries are not possible in all cities. Additionally, i think there is one city with a wonder.
I played EQ2 for 9 months and I like DF better.
What I didnt like about EQ2 personally was the following
1. graphics
2. literally everything was quest based. impossible to play game without questing.
3. nothing in DF even comes close to the grind of high level crafting in EQ2
4. crafting was somewhat lmited compared to what I would have liked to have seen (not compared to other MMO's). Example: team built and team used catipult!
I will say this, a DF version of collection quests would get people out into the DF world which is pretty sweet place to explore.
Well thanks for the correction. I was going by what I have read on that.
See I love the graphics in EQ2. But we each have our own opinion on graphics. I like the world graphics of Darkfall but hate the animations I see.
I like quests but also like open worlds like in Second Life. What I really enjoy is lore. So far from what I have read thhis game is on the low side for that. I know your suppose to make your own, but I would like a good starter base to go on.
For the grind on crafting I think that is also based on opinion. I like the crafting in EQ2, I liked it more when the game first came out and you had to make all the sub-components. or buy them from other players. But I like the way it is now also.
Now I agree with you on the collection quests, Right now from what I have read and seen, a lot of players just seem to hang out in the cities instead of being out in the world.
My question is if you have this big world to explore, why does most seem to hang around in the cities?
I am fine with everything you have said! which is odd for me.
I think people stay in the cities for two reasons.
1. the whole "hard core pvp" insanity has attracted highly competitive people who only care about winning and will do whatever it takes to win. best way to win is to macro and grind.
2. outside of the meer fun of exploring geography and artistic design (which I like) there is no in game reason to explore whatesoever. Which is why I think they need a collection based solution. this would get people out more and this would increase the PvP intrest.
I think you're right about why the world is so empty and everyone stays inside the cities, but you don't even have to offer some sort of collection based system to solve the problem. Just make the mobs for viable, maybe some diversity to the spawns, and there's all the reason in the world to go up. You'd be getting your skillups while making money.
But the thought of going out and grinding mobs doesn't sound appealing. Spend more killing them than I gain back the majority of the time, and whatever profit there is, it's just not enough. Make more solo-friendly mobs, increase their value and that's a huge step towards the right direction.
There was something in AC2 (meh, I know) that would work well for Darkfall potentially. A quest you get upon killing a mob, that just makes you kill more of them (or get drops, skin, whatever) in a certain amount of time and gave you a nice XP boost. Since there's no experience, and skills raise by use, just add a nice little 200g deposit on completion into the character's inventory or so. Have it so it's a group effort, so groups stay more static, and make it repeatable instantly. It would encourage large groups of people to leave the city, together, grouped, and hunt around the entire landscape for a reward that's worth it, increasing not just PVP, but group PVP as well.
correction: All cities DO NOT have the same resources avaiable. City mines and foundries are not possible in all cities. Additionally, i think there is one city with a wonder.
I played EQ2 for 9 months and I like DF better.
What I didnt like about EQ2 personally was the following
1. graphics
2. literally everything was quest based. impossible to play game without questing.
3. nothing in DF even comes close to the grind of high level crafting in EQ2
4. crafting was somewhat lmited compared to what I would have liked to have seen (not compared to other MMO's). Example: team built and team used catipult!
I will say this, a DF version of collection quests would get people out into the DF world which is pretty sweet place to explore.
Well thanks for the correction. I was going by what I have read on that.
See I love the graphics in EQ2. But we each have our own opinion on graphics. I like the world graphics of Darkfall but hate the animations I see.
I like quests but also like open worlds like in Second Life. What I really enjoy is lore. So far from what I have read thhis game is on the low side for that. I know your suppose to make your own, but I would like a good starter base to go on.
For the grind on crafting I think that is also based on opinion. I like the crafting in EQ2, I liked it more when the game first came out and you had to make all the sub-components. or buy them from other players. But I like the way it is now also.
Now I agree with you on the collection quests, Right now from what I have read and seen, a lot of players just seem to hang out in the cities instead of being out in the world.
My question is if you have this big world to explore, why does most seem to hang around in the cities?
I am fine with everything you have said! which is odd for me.
I think people stay in the cities for two reasons.
1. the whole "hard core pvp" insanity has attracted highly competitive people who only care about winning and will do whatever it takes to win. best way to win is to macro and grind.
2. outside of the meer fun of exploring geography and artistic design (which I like) there is no in game reason to explore whatesoever. Which is why I think they need a collection based solution. this would get people out more and this would increase the PvP intrest.
I think you're right about why the world is so empty and everyone stays inside the cities, but you don't even have to offer some sort of collection based system to solve the problem. Just make the mobs for viable, maybe some diversity to the spawns, and there's all the reason in the world to go up. You'd be getting your skillups while making money.
But the thought of going out and grinding mobs doesn't sound appealing. Spend more killing them than I gain back the majority of the time, and whatever profit there is, it's just not enough. Make more solo-friendly mobs, increase their value and that's a huge step towards the right direction.
There was something in AC2 (meh, I know) that would work well for Darkfall potentially. A quest you get upon killing a mob, that just makes you kill more of them (or get drops, skin, whatever) in a certain amount of time and gave you a nice XP boost. Since there's no experience, and skills raise by use, just add a nice little 200g deposit or so. It would encourage large groups of people to leave the city, together, grouped, and hunt around the entire landscape for a reward that's worth it, increasing not just PVP, but group PVP as well.
these are good ideas and I support them
but even with these needed improvements I personally STILL think its a great game.
but yes, game needs some improvement and more than likely it will, just not this afternoon
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WoW.
And in a fit of absolute boredom I resubbed DFO.
I cut myself several times afterwards for punishment. I didn't feel that actually playing was torture enough.
I'm going to log in again to annoy people. Afterwards I plan on taking a hammer to my sac, and drinking a cup of paint thinner to get the awful taste out of my mouth.
Chalk it up as a moment of poor judgement.
For whatever reason I got it into my head that maybe the horribly done FPS combat was due to the bugs in the UI.
I was wrong. Now that my UI actually works right, it's even more clear.
DFO has the WORST FPS combat I've ever experienced.
I'm thinking I may just resub my L2 accounts.
I ask this out of complete ignornace.
What MMO's have FPS combat?
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I personally thought the FPS aspect of the game was one of the stronger points, and that the melee system could use some tweaking. Not that it's absolutely horrible, but it feels too much like just trading swings. Spellborn had the same type of 3rd person active melee system Darkfall uses, granted more abilities on a hotbar, but the swings and everything are virtually identical, but movement was absolutely key in Spellborn to dodge and such, it doesn't seem to work as well on Darkfall.
The hit registry, the way the bow mechanics work (rate of travel, etc), all seem to be solid to me. I play PVK2 (Pirates, Vikings, Knights 2) all the time, and that has some of the best FPS bow action out of any game I've played recently, and Darkfall is right there next to it. Same goes for the magic, it's solid, it registers, spell travel time isn't too fast, or too slow.
/shrug.
I just went to the Spellborn website out of curiousity becuase I havent read of it. Nice to see another game that doesnt look like a cartoon. That alone could pull me intrested.
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You start with "I'm not a hater" and every statement follows contradict that.
"Fallout 3" is not even a MMO.
Really Darth what part of "So I haven't played a MMO in over 6 months. Right now I'm playing Fallout 3" Did you not understand?
Here let me explain it to you. He states he has not played a MMO in 6 months but is now playing Fallout 3. He is aware its not a MMO as he stated he has not played a MMO in 6 months.
Fallout 3 is a great game and while yes it IS NOT A MMO, that does not mean that MMO's can't take fun things from single player games and incorperate them into a MMO. Most people here seem to agree that many MMO's have become stagnent doing just the same old same old thats been done before.
In the meantime keep up the good defense of Darkfall, heaven knows it needs all the help it can get.
well I do agree with you pointing out the fallout MMO comment and you are right I will reply (becuase i have nothing else to do) with two items.
1. Its not as easy to put what is possible in a single player game into a MMO. If it was something similar to DF would have come out around the year of Morrowind.
2. I personally didnt like Fallout 3. Although my dislike for it didnt start until I was on the main quest in the main city. I might want to try it again and avoid the main quest completely becuase I found it slightly retarded.
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Not currently playing an MMO.. Been playing Sacred 2 and Links 2003 and Hot Shots Golf for PS3.
Rhinok.. Last I checked with Huxley is that its pretty much a Quake / Unreal game with a Hub where you go into games from ( like a town area much like Guild Wars ).. Once in a game its pretty much a normal FPS and not an open world. However this infomation is pretty old and I really dont know if that has been changed or not.
No one that I know has indicated that they take it personally that someone enjoys darkfall. Nothing personal but, the OP comes on and indicates that he is looking for a better game and is unable to decide upon his self to conclude that. He then comes into a different forum asking those who hate that game which game he should play. I have to ask if he posted similar questions on the DF fourm, and if not,….why? Nothing personal but that is the basic definition of a wanna-be hardcore player, in that, he must rely upon someone to tell him what game to play and enjoy. I say enjoy that game, if his resources indicate that DF is “THE GAME” then go for it, why come here seeking a “better” game????? He loves DF and there is no reasologically to come here and say, “hey all you people who hate DF, please help me find a game that is more enjoyable to me.
ok, speaking personally everything you just wrote sounds to me like someone who is directly involved in the contest of who plays the bettter game.
as far as me personally i cant express how meaningless it would be to call myself anything whatsoever. let alone a "hard core gamer" whatever that actually means I dont even want to know.
I agree, the OP sounds as if he is seeking a more popular game yet, the statement stands, I have yet seen anyone report they were, in anyway, upset that a person would enjoy DF. I agree with you on self proclaimed labels such as hardcore whatever that is suppose to mean as compared to a carebear…whatever that is. Therefore, I am lost when the game identifies itself as “hardcore” which appears to draw such gamers as OP to the site and ask for help finding better games that he would enjoy…titled DF haters.
I think you missed it. I , like him, am not asking what the "more popular game" is. I, like him, am asking for a baseline comparsion so that we can more clearly understand what aspects of other games people do like that this game does not do.
When I ask the question I am 100% honest in the question. A LOT of people dont like this game, I like this game but I am not so proud of myself to entertain the possiblity that maybe I have missed a game that in fact I would like more. knowing what is wrong with the game doesnt help me try to find out if there is a game out which might be more intresting than i expect
People have answered the question and I have looked up the games, it just for me, the games listed didnt appeal to me.
Is this more clear now?
As far as people saying they are upset with people who like DF do you seriously think I meant people say that literally? most people who would feel that way wouldnt even be concious of it
Then we circle around and I ask, why do you come to these fourms, label a post “ DF HATERS” and ask for a game that is better? Obviously, DF haters, who I am not one, will give you examples of why they do not like that game as compared to the ones they like. They will tell you what they do like which is not found in DF. If you seek to find a better game, why is it that you come here and ask those who hate DF about other games that may be better??...as if they would know what you like! In short, there is something wrong when you seek a base line about a game from a site that you are fully aware of which does not like DF and make sure to address those that do not like it by title of DF haters.
Furthermore, you state, “When I ask the question I am 100% honest in the question.” Then you make a self imposed fact that people get upset when they learn of others who enjoy the game. How am I supposed to know the difference when you make such claims? If you come on to a site that is not DF asking what people who hate DF like when it is obvious that they are DF haters,,,,whatever that is. Why don’t you just try another game that looks interesting to you and let the DF haters be? Better yet, go to the DF fourms and ask the question there? Or would your ego take a hit?
Would this entire conversation and debate be resolved if the title said "for those would dont like DF what are you playing instead"?
speaking personally, consider that my question.
I would more apt to ask in general since you are looking for a base line which would include all players, hence the term base line sample. Why address those who do not like DF? That may be a rather large amount of people who would start out with negative remarks addressing issues in DF. I am not trying to be negative, I am just trying to figure out why (other than to start another I hate DF thread, which we don’t need) you would focus the question upon those who do not appreciate DF. The OP of this thread came off as challenging with, “What game are you currently playing? Come on dont be shy and stay on topic please.” No other reason other than to start a DF love/hate thread which there are floods of already, he just opens the door for more arguments and debate which is not necessary because I for one want to see DF grow. Coming to a site where DF haters are and asking the question only throws fuel on the fire here. If the dude/dudette wants to know the games people play then damn, ask.
I am retired military which has allowed me to sit back and enjoy the things I like best which is playing different games (compliments of the US tax payer hehe). I have not yet played DF because I see a lot of hacking which is my greatest weakness to hate. Since I have hated too much in my life, I choose to not set up the temptation. Answering your question: I play Eve and WOW when the house is empty, when the family returns home I shift to Enemy Territory and/or one of the Battlefield series. Now, it should be obvious that each member of these fourms are gona have a different pattern of game playing. Which leads me right back to the point of “what is the purpose of asking what games are being played because it is obvious that each person will have a different game being played or combination thereof. The only reason I can detect is that the OP wanted to ruffle feathers. Share with me bro, am I way off or is there a different reason for asking those who hate the game what game they do play?
its really not this complicated.
I go into a bowling ally and I like it, someone says they dont like this one that much. I ask "oh cool which one do you like more than this I should go check it out sometime"?
that is it.
that is my question.
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I don't think anybody really hates the players that like darkfall except for a couple of exceptions. Those exceptions would be due to the lying and stupid posts they spew. If you enjoy the game that is fine.
as for the topic:
I play EQ, EQ2, Vanguard and now starting AION. These are my casual games. With that said, I'm looking to play a good "Sandbox" game. However this game while having sandbox features does not allow the freedom I am looking for. Since I cannot make the character I want or do the things I think a game like this should have for features.
With all cities having the same resources available and world banks. I find little reason to want to seige another city. While I love PVP I want reasons to battle. So far I find none in this game except for ego, and sorry that is not enough for me to play it.
While full loot is fine. That is not enough of a penalty for me. Dieing should be rough but just losing loot that can be replaced in a short period of time is not a penalty for me.
Since there is no burden in this game such as if I wear full armor but can move like someone naked makes me not want to play this game. Watching fully armored players running as fast as a robed player is a turn off for me.
Being able to get every skill in the game is a turn off for me also, I want skill caps that make me choose what I'm willing to sacrafice to get what I want. I want magic skills I have ot lose sword skills for an example.
These are my opinions. Now does that mean no one could like Darkfall? No, it just means the game is lacking for me and by appearances, a lot of other potential players.
correction: All cities DO NOT have the same resources avaiable. City mines and foundries are not possible in all cities. Additionally, i think there is one city with a wonder.
I played EQ2 for 9 months and I like DF better.
What I didnt like about EQ2 personally was the following
1. graphics
2. literally everything was quest based. impossible to play game without questing.
3. nothing in DF even comes close to the grind of high level crafting in EQ2
4. crafting was somewhat lmited compared to what I would have liked to have seen (not compared to other MMO's). Example: team built and team used catipult!
I will say this, a DF version of collection quests would get people out into the DF world which is pretty sweet place to explore.
I Play EQ2 (In the past played Asherons call, and Shadowbane)
#1. Graphics is basically opinion. We've already seen the the MMOitialian guys in beta (and many of the fans ) Say Darkfall has graphics better then LoTRO, or AoC. So won't argue it further
#2. Well Everquest is Everquest. Some people prefer sitting pretty much in one spot grinding out the same mobs, me personally i like the quests to keep me from that tedium. (Different measures of what we are willing to accept.)
#3. If you played EQ2 in the first 9 months then you really can't judge its crafting now 3 years later. just got done doing a crafting dungeon last night which was a nice new twist (A Portal in the void had been destroyed by a meteor, and had to be fixed ASAP so NPC raiders could escape.)
#4 there is alot to craft nowadays, (but gone are the bits and pieces one used to have to make to make items) and not all the recipes and materials are easy to get so if your used to just going and learning a recipe, or chopping a tree and making something then yes I could see how you might describe it as a grind.(The best crafting materials and rexcipes are not just handed to you)
My questiom you. Why is the Df world a sweet place to explore? You mean just graphically, as you and other seem to state there is no reason currently really to explore. If I was just looking for pretty graphics to look at and call exploring I'd progbably guess AoC, Vanguard or a host of other fits at least that much of the bill, and most likely several of them would actually have some reason or reward to explore. (EQ2 has AA exp for exploring new areas, and of course quests)
A few things need to be clarified.
1. I played for about month when it first came out and then 9 months starting last year. So just this year I was working on level 50's tailoring and I personally found it to be more of a grind that DF.
2. I adore to explore and I found EQ2 to actually be limiting in how I can explore. In DF I can literally kill nothing at all and still see about 99% of the map. That I like. So what you see limiting in movement I actually see as expansive in movement.
3. Graphics, yes I agree I do not have the intellectual capacity to reason with those who think EQ2 has better graphics than DF that just completely blows me away.
Now to answer your question.
Ironcally EQ2 has more reasons to explore but acutally less Real-estate to do so. While DF has more intresting landscapes and larger possiblities to explore but less reason to do so.
I like to explore, I like to explore in life as well. I need no mission or reason to do so. In fact, often having a mission for explorer personalities can be counter productive.
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I like to explore, I like to explore in life as well. I need no mission or reason to do so. In fact, often having a mission for explorer personalities can be counter productive.
Linear MMOs that are quest-based do eliminate the need and desire to explore, and it frustrates me. I used to run around Asheron's Call, and oldschool EverQuest for hours just to look around and find new stuff.
The problem is, Darkfall has this huge area, to explore, that actually is very diverse in visuals, and doesn't look bad, at all. There's a lot of interesting places, just nothing to see other than the landscape. The world, outside of the cities and hamlets, needs to be a little more active. But, it is one of the only MMOs I've played in the last few years other than Ryzom that really supports going out and just exploring.
I like to explore, I like to explore in life as well. I need no mission or reason to do so. In fact, often having a mission for explorer personalities can be counter productive.
Linear MMOs that are quest-based do eliminate the need and desire to explore, and it frustrates me. I used to run around Asheron's Call, and oldschool EverQuest for hours just to look around and find new stuff.
The problem is, Darkfall has this huge area, to explore, that actually is very diverse in visuals, and doesn't look bad, at all. There's a lot of interesting places, just nothing to see other than the landscape. The world, outside of the cities and hamlets, needs to be a little more active. But, it is one of the only MMOs I've played in the last few years other than Ryzom that really supports going out and just exploring.
agreed. Hell if they just simply made more of the existing chests interactive that alone would help. Just last night I ran into two chest that were in fact...nothing other than eye candy.
I personaly would step it up and make some items only possible to find in chests but first thing first could be just make the existing world more interactive.
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OP I play the best game that currently exists out there and i dare anyone to challenge it
Iiii-iiiiiit's.... me!!! *Hooray*
WOW
WoW players weren't target audience. Guys you were for such long period of times in the wrong forums and didn't noticed it ?
Ok i understand it if someone thinks he would like something for some limited period of time ..but common ..
We talk about months if not years some of you pester these forum.
People from inside and outside of the company say to you WoW player aren't target audience.
Stop bashing the game that was not build for you LOL try AION or sorta themepark and maybe you find your game LOL
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Why? Cause it's sci, and its the ultimate sandbox/total freedom mmorpg there is.
Take last night for instance , i logged on to run some lvl 4 missions, nice quiet night, when over alliance chat i read that a rival alliance has set up a pos in OUR system. After rallying the troops, we decided to hit the station, over 150+ flying anything from noobie frigates to battleships to carriers/drednaughts, the fight last 3 hours, at one point our alliance started running low on ammo (thankfully i am amarr :P ) and i logged in my alt in a Badger Mark II, loaded it with 20k m3 of ammo and dropped it off in a secure container for alliance members to restock. Lost my ship and pod, but managed to help restock my alliance on the suicide run and we succeeded in taking out the POS. All this is a 5month old toon ( i was flying a battlecruiser, and took out 3 or 4 cruisers and assisted in the pos take down).
i remember someone in this forums said that firts day of launch, Darkfall would attract millions of wow players, struck by the awesome game darkfall will be and their realization that wow was void
Darkfall.
Of course, I am not really a hater, that's just what the blind fantards call me. This weekend is it for me though. My sub runs out and then I am sitting tight until the NA release.
To the op. I just uninstalled wow after almost 4 years of playing and installing war to waste another 10 days of my life trying something new.
I hear Darkfall sucks. I'll check it out after I'm done with War.
Is realy all so called haters here Darkfall haters? I think some people here don't have a opinion about the game but about Aventurine. It's hard to not be sceptic about Aventurine.
And about the topic, i am not playing any game at the moment but eagerly awaiting a game where i can build a cabin and collect the brains of my victims.
I ask this out of complete ignornace.
What MMO's have FPS combat?
Face of Mankind.
The chronicles of spellborne
Planetside
All 3 of these I've played.
FoM
Very much like DFO when it came out. Complete lack of content, but the game was designed around the idea that players would literally create it. You actually made the quests in game that others would participate in. The system didn't work so well though. Aside from that it was very much an RP kind of game.
TCoS
I tried the free trial for a bit. Not a bad game, just didn't really grab me and pull me in.
PS
Another one that was bad, but didn't really grab me.
I'm not sure I understand why so many gamers take it personal when someone dislikes this game.
its like the non religious folk that are just furious if one person on their city block is religious and might not want to go see a movie they find offensive.
Sorry, some people (and if it makes you feel better, a MAJORITY) actually hate this game. Try not to take it personally.
If it makes you all feel any more uncomfortable I assure you lots of people got ripped off by the BS this company spewed out.