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depending on games? dunno, fishing, crafting, playing the auction house, collecting mounts, pets, skills, achievements, and im sure there are more im not familiar with. what kind of group content is there? besides running the same instances over and over again for that one piece of LOOT that will make your character 0.3 times more uber than he already is?
you see, the thing is, to some people, its about the journey, not the purples.
Group content includes : Finishing Storylines that require a group to do so (parts of the storyline can be solo'd but when its time to kill the big bad guy then you have to get your friends
), Grouping up to level, Crafting ( and damn the fact you said that crafting can be soloed just goes to show how lame crafting is these days.), Fighting Boss's for rare equipment which can fetch tons of money and increase your guilds fame, or go towards advancing your character.
But hey i mean its not like group players cant collect mounts,pets and achievements or in fact do anything you listed can also be done by a group and made more fun and productive.
Well.. except maybe fishing but if you find fishing in an mmo fun then more power to you. I mean the only reason i ever did it was to make some $$$ while leveling to gear up my character.
why cant you just stretch the part in red to accomodate my playstyle? i like to solo, i find it fun, more power to me, please? no, lets make this bastard group because im right and everyone else should do like i do.
The "itsall about me" attitude of the group advocates is the biggest reason why i prefer to solo.
You're going to find yourself playing solo if you ever get what you want. Know what I mean?
If it works in EVE so well (the game has been out for how long?), it is an option to support both styles of game playing within one game.
Other games are free to attempt group only content, but how well games such as this fare in today's mmo world.......Yeah, I dunno.
Im not saying make games unsoloable, Im just saying that grouping should be rewarded far more than soloing. FAR more, so that people prefer to group.
Again, Im a fossil, but I wouldnt mind a new group centric game or two.
My though on all of this want for solo, drop MMOs, drop them alltogther. Buy a console, and text message your pals. Its what the solo'rs want right? To play alone, and still interact with other people?
No, we want freedom and choice. And we want that same for you... unfortunately you want to take it from us.
What you can't seem to comprehend is that the ability to group in a game doesn't effect soloers in the least -- at least not in games which don't require 100% forced grouping. On the other hand, the ability to solo affects the enjoyment of players who would rather stay in full groups.
That is the real question that cannot be answered. No answer can make any sense in this case.
I don't think some people here understand how both Solo and Group play can be accomodated into a single game. It's already been done, and done well.
In some cases the Group players require the work that the Solo players do in order to continue their Group play. This is merely the icing on the cake that is the EVE economy.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Here is the real problem that a lot of people seem to miss;
There is more to an MMO than just raiding.
Solo players are not always asking for 'loot' content. Solo players are the ones who enjoy being part of the virtual world by making items, exploring the world and following aspects of lore. Most solo players are the ones taking advantage of everything a game has to offer (Which is a HELL of a lot more than raiding the same few dungeons over and over till your eyes bleed)
People who focus on teh whole group thing only see combat and rewards as a reason to play an MMO, which is fine, but its not exactly what the point of an MMO is all about.
The point of an MMO is a persistant, vibrant world full of different people playing different roles (not of which all are combat based). This is the part people overlook and pay no attention to because games like EQ ended up catering to one side of the coin after the 3rd expansion. The whole idea of playing in a living, breathing world became replaced with the assumption that fun = raiding.
When WoW came out people complained about raiding because it was annoying. Once you hit 60 all you had left was raiding, and if your guild sucked or time was a factor, you couldnt experience anything that awaited you at max level. This is why the devs started making the raids smaller and a bit easier. This was a lot easier than designing new content that wasnt raid based (because lets face it, designing a raid doesnt take too much effort compared to adding new zones and quests - hence why for a while there you would see new raid/dungeon content almost every 3-4 months where as new quests were really only added in expansions)
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
You're going to find yourself playing solo if you ever get what you want. Know what I mean?
If it works in EVE so well (the game has been out for how long?), it is an option to support both styles of game playing within one game.
Other games are free to attempt group only content, but how well games such as this fare in today's mmo world.......Yeah, I dunno.
Im not saying make games unsoloable, Im just saying that grouping should be rewarded far more than soloing. FAR more, so that people prefer to group.
Again, Im a fossil, but I wouldnt mind a new group centric game or two.
My though on all of this want for solo, drop MMOs, drop them alltogther. Buy a console, and text message your pals. Its what the solo'rs want right? To play alone, and still interact with other people?
No, we want freedom and choice. And we want that same for you... unfortunately you want to take it from us.
I simply want back what you stole from us first.
lol Something you never had cannot be stolen. This "perfect mmo world" of yours exists only in your memories. Get over it.
depending on games? dunno, fishing, crafting, playing the auction house, collecting mounts, pets, skills, achievements, and im sure there are more im not familiar with. what kind of group content is there? besides running the same instances over and over again for that one piece of LOOT that will make your character 0.3 times more uber than he already is?
you see, the thing is, to some people, its about the journey, not the purples.
Here we agree, the journey is far more important than the destination. But who wants to take a long road trip with no one else in the car? Personally Ill take a vanful of pals over driving by myself anyday.
I do. I would prefer to ride alone.
now why cant you just respect my playstyle like i respect yours? i'll tell you why, because there are those old mmo vets, like you, who are nothing but bitter shells of the gamers they once were, and refuse to find enjoyment in the little things. in one word, douches.
And of course there are your new school players have been given all you want your entire lives without having to work for it, and thus expect that to be the same everywhere.
I wont resort to name calling. But I will say you are the prime example of whats wrong with people who spend their whole lives in bubble wrap.
In one word, spoiled.
you tell me to go buy a console, i tell you to get a real life. and about your precious mmo experience being extinct i say: cry some more. im sure someone out there cares.
EXACTLY! Who really cares about what anyone else wants when the universe rotates around you?
Its why Americans are getting fatter, the childrens test scores go down by the year, because you want what you want regardless of it pulls the rug out from under people that were here before you.
"Its what the solo'rs want right? To play alone, and still interact with other people?"
Yes. I think this is it. I am not a big time Solo player, just the opposite in fact. But in my Solo time in EVE this is exactly what it was all about. Whether through trade, escorting, Merc hiring, the list goes on and on.
Solo is not really my thing anymore at all, but without it I think some successful games would be kaputt.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
You're going to find yourself playing solo if you ever get what you want. Know what I mean?
If it works in EVE so well (the game has been out for how long?), it is an option to support both styles of game playing within one game.
Other games are free to attempt group only content, but how well games such as this fare in today's mmo world.......Yeah, I dunno.
Im not saying make games unsoloable, Im just saying that grouping should be rewarded far more than soloing. FAR more, so that people prefer to group.
Again, Im a fossil, but I wouldnt mind a new group centric game or two.
My though on all of this want for solo, drop MMOs, drop them alltogther. Buy a console, and text message your pals. Its what the solo'rs want right? To play alone, and still interact with other people?
No, we want freedom and choice. And we want that same for you... unfortunately you want to take it from us.
I simply want back what you stole from us first.
lol Something you never had cannot be stolen. This "perfect mmo world" of yours exists only in your memories. Get over it.
Actually, you did. Todays player wants easy loot, easy returns, no risk, and to feel like hes accomplished something when hes done little more than delude himself into thinking hes 'uber' based on how little effort and time went into his accomplishment.
So games like WoW cater to that. So in fact you did 'steal' the genre. God knows theres far more disposable teenage income than we vets could come up with.
I like this. we farm your mats, we provide cannon fodder for your pvp grind, we buy your expensive raid BoE, Do not fuck with us!
kudos if you catched the fight club reference.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
You're going to find yourself playing solo if you ever get what you want. Know what I mean?
If it works in EVE so well (the game has been out for how long?), it is an option to support both styles of game playing within one game.
Other games are free to attempt group only content, but how well games such as this fare in today's mmo world.......Yeah, I dunno.
Im not saying make games unsoloable, Im just saying that grouping should be rewarded far more than soloing. FAR more, so that people prefer to group.
Again, Im a fossil, but I wouldnt mind a new group centric game or two.
My though on all of this want for solo, drop MMOs, drop them alltogther. Buy a console, and text message your pals. Its what the solo'rs want right? To play alone, and still interact with other people?
No, we want freedom and choice. And we want that same for you... unfortunately you want to take it from us.
I simply want back what you stole from us first.
lol Something you never had cannot be stolen. This "perfect mmo world" of yours exists only in your memories. Get over it.
Actually, you did. Todays player wants easy loot, easy returns, no risk, and to feel like hes accomplished something when hes done little more than delude himself into thinking hes 'uber' based on how little effort and time went into his accomplishment.
So games like WoW cater to that. So in fact you did 'steal' the genre. God knows theres far more disposable teenage income than we vets could come up with.
lol
I've been playing mmo's as long, or longer, than you have, so stop waving your Vet flag around thinking that it makes you special.
depending on games? dunno, fishing, crafting, playing the auction house, collecting mounts, pets, skills, achievements, and im sure there are more im not familiar with. what kind of group content is there? besides running the same instances over and over again for that one piece of LOOT that will make your character 0.3 times more uber than he already is?
you see, the thing is, to some people, its about the journey, not the purples.
Here we agree, the journey is far more important than the destination. But who wants to take a long road trip with no one else in the car? Personally Ill take a vanful of pals over driving by myself anyday.
I do. I would prefer to ride alone.
now why cant you just respect my playstyle like i respect yours? i'll tell you why, because there are those old mmo vets, like you, who are nothing but bitter shells of the gamers they once were, and refuse to find enjoyment in the little things. in one word, douches.
And of course there are your new school players have been given all you want your entire lives without having to work for it, and thus expect that to be the same everywhere.
I wont resort to name calling. But I will say you are the prime example of whats wrong with people who spend their whole lives in bubble wrap.
In one word, spoiled.
you tell me to go buy a console, i tell you to get a real life. and about your precious mmo experience being extinct i say: cry some more. im sure someone out there cares.
EXACTLY! Who really cares about what anyone else wants when the universe rotates around you?
Its why Americans are getting fatter, the childrens test scores go down by the year, because you want what you want regardless of it pulls the rug out from under people that were here before you.
firstly, im not american, so there. secondly, "pull the rug from people that were here before you"? christ dude, stop being a persecution freak, no one is out to get you, those voices are just in your head.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
You're going to find yourself playing solo if you ever get what you want. Know what I mean?
If it works in EVE so well (the game has been out for how long?), it is an option to support both styles of game playing within one game.
Other games are free to attempt group only content, but how well games such as this fare in today's mmo world.......Yeah, I dunno.
Im not saying make games unsoloable, Im just saying that grouping should be rewarded far more than soloing. FAR more, so that people prefer to group.
Again, Im a fossil, but I wouldnt mind a new group centric game or two.
My though on all of this want for solo, drop MMOs, drop them alltogther. Buy a console, and text message your pals. Its what the solo'rs want right? To play alone, and still interact with other people?
No, we want freedom and choice. And we want that same for you... unfortunately you want to take it from us.
I simply want back what you stole from us first.
lol Something you never had cannot be stolen. This "perfect mmo world" of yours exists only in your memories. Get over it.
Actually, you did. Todays player wants easy loot, easy returns, no risk, and to feel like hes accomplished something when hes done little more than delude himself into thinking hes 'uber' based on how little effort and time went into his accomplishment.
So games like WoW cater to that. So in fact you did 'steal' the genre. God knows theres far more disposable teenage income than we vets could come up with.
lol
I've been playing mmo's as long, or longer, than you have, so stop waving your Vet flag around thinking that it makes you special.
Doubt, nice job hiding your age in your profile after you made this comment though. Bet you didnt think Id check earlier did you?
I call shennanigans on your fiction!
lol
I've been playing mmo's as long, or longer, than you have, so stop waving your Vet flag around thinking that it makes you special.
Doubt, nice job hiding your age in your profile after you made this comment though. Bet you didnt think Id check earlier did you?
I call shennanigans on your fiction!
the only fiction here is the dream world you live in. and apparently you didnt check my profile before you decided to bash your own country.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Logic at it's best.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Hahaha, didn't think anyone would actually use the SEARCH function huh?
Madeux has only played MMO's for the last 2 years, he's lying. Just look at his earlier posts and do some research, he clearly admits in many of them he's only been MMOing for 2 years.
He probably can't understand it because it's not true. People who will not group will not group. That has no effect on people who will group who do, in fact, group. The ability to solo is not the requirement to solo. This bullshit assumption that the two communities do not overlap and are mutually exclusive needs to stop.
I disagree. People who solo WOULD group if the grouping experience were far greater and more rewarding. However because its not, people prefer to solo.
What kills me though, are the most ardent supporters of solo content are the people that no one would want to spend more than a few seconds around anyway.
You're going to find yourself playing solo if you ever get what you want. Know what I mean?
If it works in EVE so well (the game has been out for how long?), it is an option to support both styles of game playing within one game.
Other games are free to attempt group only content, but how well games such as this fare in today's mmo world.......Yeah, I dunno.
Im not saying make games unsoloable, Im just saying that grouping should be rewarded far more than soloing. FAR more, so that people prefer to group.
Again, Im a fossil, but I wouldnt mind a new group centric game or two.
My though on all of this want for solo, drop MMOs, drop them alltogther. Buy a console, and text message your pals. Its what the solo'rs want right? To play alone, and still interact with other people?
No, we want freedom and choice. And we want that same for you... unfortunately you want to take it from us.
I simply want back what you stole from us first.
lol Something you never had cannot be stolen. This "perfect mmo world" of yours exists only in your memories. Get over it.
Actually, you did. Todays player wants easy loot, easy returns, no risk, and to feel like hes accomplished something when hes done little more than delude himself into thinking hes 'uber' based on how little effort and time went into his accomplishment.
So games like WoW cater to that. So in fact you did 'steal' the genre. God knows theres far more disposable teenage income than we vets could come up with.
lol
I've been playing mmo's as long, or longer, than you have, so stop waving your Vet flag around thinking that it makes you special.
Doubt, nice job hiding your age in your profile after you made this comment though. Bet you didnt think Id check earlier did you?
I call shennanigans on your fiction!
when exactly did I hide my age?
I was born in 1975, raised on Pac Man and Qbert, and eventually whatever game would run on my apple 2e.
I played muds in '93, the first year that internet access was publicly available in my state, not counting prodigy or compuserve and the like.
But I don't throw this in the face of other people here, because it means nothing.
You're going to find yourself playing solo if you ever get what you want. Know what I mean?
If it works in EVE so well (the game has been out for how long?), it is an option to support both styles of game playing within one game.
Other games are free to attempt group only content, but how well games such as this fare in today's mmo world.......Yeah, I dunno.
Im not saying make games unsoloable, Im just saying that grouping should be rewarded far more than soloing. FAR more, so that people prefer to group.
Again, Im a fossil, but I wouldnt mind a new group centric game or two.
My though on all of this want for solo, drop MMOs, drop them alltogther. Buy a console, and text message your pals. Its what the solo'rs want right? To play alone, and still interact with other people?
No, we want freedom and choice. And we want that same for you... unfortunately you want to take it from us.
I simply want back what you stole from us first.
lol Something you never had cannot be stolen. This "perfect mmo world" of yours exists only in your memories. Get over it.
Actually, you did. Todays player wants easy loot, easy returns, no risk, and to feel like hes accomplished something when hes done little more than delude himself into thinking hes 'uber' based on how little effort and time went into his accomplishment.
So games like WoW cater to that. So in fact you did 'steal' the genre. God knows theres far more disposable teenage income than we vets could come up with.
lol
I've been playing mmo's as long, or longer, than you have, so stop waving your Vet flag around thinking that it makes you special.
Doubt, nice job hiding your age in your profile after you made this comment though. Bet you didnt think Id check earlier did you?
I call shennanigans on your fiction!
lmao, that makes two ppl calling him on lies.
Hahaha, didn't think anyone would actually use the SEARCH function huh?
Madeux has only played MMO's for the last 2 years, he's lying. Just look at his earlier posts and do some research, he clearly admits in many of them he's only been MMOing for 2 years.
that maybe true, but it doesnt mean his vet flag makes him special in any way. madeux's point stands. next?
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Hahaha, didn't think anyone would actually use the SEARCH function huh?
Madeux has only played MMO's for the last 2 years, he's lying. Just look at his earlier posts and do some research, he clearly admits in many of them he's only been MMOing for 2 years.
Yeah I just read that. Nothing worse than someone making up a lie to support their case. Again more ego driven antics from the new school kids. (I apologize to those out there who are actually stand up people at that age, but youve got some bad apples ruining it for you.)
He probably can't understand it because it's not true. People who will not group will not group. That has no effect on people who will group who do, in fact, group. The ability to solo is not the requirement to solo. This bullshit assumption that the two communities do not overlap and are mutually exclusive needs to stop.
I disagree. People who solo WOULD group if the grouping experience were far greater and more rewarding. However because its not, people prefer to solo.
What kills me though, are the most ardent supporters of solo content are the people that no one would want to spend more than a few seconds around anyway.
lol so people will only group with you if they are rewarded to do so?
Did your mother have to pay kids to play with you when you were little? Would the dog only play with you when your mom tied a porkchop around your neck?
Hahaha, didn't think anyone would actually use the SEARCH function huh?
Madeux has only played MMO's for the last 2 years, he's lying. Just look at his earlier posts and do some research, he clearly admits in many of them he's only been MMOing for 2 years.
that maybe true, but it doesnt mean his vet flag makes him special in any way. madeux's point stands. next?
What lie could I make up to prove you wrong?
He probably can't understand it because it's not true. People who will not group will not group. That has no effect on people who will group who do, in fact, group. The ability to solo is not the requirement to solo. This bullshit assumption that the two communities do not overlap and are mutually exclusive needs to stop.
I disagree. People who solo WOULD group if the grouping experience were far greater and more rewarding. However because its not, people prefer to solo.
What kills me though, are the most ardent supporters of solo content are the people that no one would want to spend more than a few seconds around anyway.
lol so people will only group with you if they are rewarded to do so?
Did your mother have to pay kids to play with you when you were little? Would the dog only play with you when your mom tied a porkchop around your neck?
I think you better answer the charges that you are liar before you go on. Lets see you try to build some credibility.
depending on games? dunno, fishing, crafting, playing the auction house, collecting mounts, pets, skills, achievements, and im sure there are more im not familiar with. what kind of group content is there? besides running the same instances over and over again for that one piece of LOOT that will make your character 0.3 times more uber than he already is?
you see, the thing is, to some people, its about the journey, not the purples.
Group content includes : Finishing Storylines that require a group to do so (parts of the storyline can be solo'd but when its time to kill the big bad guy then you have to get your friends
), Grouping up to level, Crafting ( and damn the fact you said that crafting can be soloed just goes to show how lame crafting is these days.), Fighting Boss's for rare equipment which can fetch tons of money and increase your guilds fame, or go towards advancing your character.
But hey i mean its not like group players cant collect mounts,pets and achievements or in fact do anything you listed can also be done by a group and made more fun and productive.
Well.. except maybe fishing but if you find fishing in an mmo fun then more power to you. I mean the only reason i ever did it was to make some $$$ while leveling to gear up my character.
why cant you just stretch the part in red to accomodate my playstyle? i like to solo, i find it fun, more power to me, please? no, lets make this bastard group because im right and everyone else should do like i do.
The "itsall about me" attitude of the group advocates is the biggest reason why i prefer to solo.
Okay if you like to do boring ass "quests" all by your self from level 1 to max level then begin to do group content then more power to you.
Hahaha, didn't think anyone would actually use the SEARCH function huh?
Madeux has only played MMO's for the last 2 years, he's lying. Just look at his earlier posts and do some research, he clearly admits in many of them he's only been MMOing for 2 years.
Yeah I just read that. Nothing worse than someone making up a lie to support their case. Again more ego driven antics from the new school kids. (I apologize to those out there who are actually stand up people at that age, but youve got some bad apples ruining it for you.)
Ok, go read my posts that talk about the fact that I haven't played WOW in years, that I quit WOW two years ago. If you're going to make things up, at least try harder than that.