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Starvault CEO: If you don't support MO, it could be the end sandbox MMOs; Does not like trolls on mm
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All y'all prescriptive linguists are haters!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_prescription
You might could criticize Henrick with some authority if you had personal knowledge of how they teach English in Sweden. Henrick may have been using colloquial language to better foster an informal, conversational tone. Hopefully, you can understand that the true test of language is whether the listener/reader clearly understands the message, not whether the syntax is absolutely by the book.
I really thing you should get your own house in order before you criticize other peoples ability to communicate on the internet. "Hater", "troll", and "carebear" are thrown around as if Henrick had actually used any of these as perjorative terms.
I could agree with this...But I think the gist of this whole mess is more a result of the bad communication and tons of problems and less about this specific statement.
In other words if SV didnt have such an awful reputation already, this would never have been (mis)quoted/taken out of context/whatever.
So, its alot easier to jump on the "hate" bandwagon and be less objective if the "target" of the hate is a small target...This target is bigger than the side of a Barn.
I didn't find anything he said to be unreasonable or without some merit of truth. However his spelling and grammar are atrocious.
If we don't support MO or games like MO...Publishers will continue only supporting what they know is tried and true. Without someone willing to stray off the beaten path...there will always only be one road.
And he is a guy developing a game out of pocket. Of course he doesn't have the resources to fund the project for the 6-7 year development cycle it would take. He's right now trying to get the core game done, and add stuff as revenue comes in. I don't see this as unreasonable.
Honestly, I am beginning to wonder why so many people put so much time and effort into defaming MO. It really makes no sense to me.
And before you go slinging overused cliches around...no I do not play MO...no I have no intentions of playing MO...or have even been following it very closely.
Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.
You lost me at "developing a game out of his own pocket"- Starvault is a Publicly Traded corporation of which Henrick is CEO... The game was funded via the sale of stock and pre orders.
The funny thing is, this is a company which once would Patch on a friday at the end of the workday and when the server crashed they wouldnt even reset the damn thing till Monday claiming "Swedish Law prevents them from working overtime" or some such garbage.
You lost me at "developing a game out of his own pocket"- Starvault is a Publicly Traded corporation of which Henrick is CEO... The game was funded via the sale of stock and pre orders.
The funny thing is, this is a company which once would Patch on a friday at the end of the workday and when the server crashed they wouldnt even reset the damn thing till Monday claiming "Swedish Law prevents them from working overtime" or some such garbage.
I thought I'd point out this part for you since I had lost you so early in my post.
Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.
You lost me at "developing a game out of his own pocket"- Starvault is a Publicly Traded corporation of which Henrick is CEO... The game was funded via the sale of stock and pre orders.
The funny thing is, this is a company which once would Patch on a friday at the end of the workday and when the server crashed they wouldnt even reset the damn thing till Monday claiming "Swedish Law prevents them from working overtime" or some such garbage.
I thought I'd point out this part for you since I had lost you so early in my post.
No problem bro =P
The thing is (that I tried to state several posts ago) is that unless you have been following this Train Wreck you may not understand the "hate"- This is the most incompetent company I have ever personally dealt with. I know there is gretater incompetence out there but Ive yet to have to personally see one. =D
The flip side of that is, if people were really interested in criticizing the game, they would be discussing lag and desynch issues instead of combing through IRC logs to find improper use of English and comments that can be put in a bad light, The most obvious reasons for doing it are that they can't come up with enough substantive criticism to satisfy their need to say bad things about Starvault and Mortal. The need for more meat to their arguments pushes them to include such tripe as how "unprofessional" using the word ain't is for a non-native speaker.
The flip side of that is, if people were really interested in criticizing the game, they would be discussing lag and desynch issues instead of combing through IRC logs to find improper use of English and comments that can be put in a bad light, The most obvious reasons for doing it are that they can't come up with enough substantive criticism to satisfy their need to say bad things about Starvault and Mortal. The need for more meat to their arguments pushes them to include such tripe as how "unprofessional" using the word ain't is for a non-native speaker.
You again may be correct on this-
Plently of critics on pretty much every aspect of this game including lag/desynch/flying pigs/water breathing animals/teleporting mobs/exploding horses/mounts getting stuck or dissapearing /poor communication and a release date coming in the next 2 weeks or so.
I really dont think the critics are jumping on this due to lack of valid points. =P
Its just another Brick in the Wall.
SV put themselves under a microscope due to insanly bad conduct and descision making... I might not agree with all the critics on all aspects but I certainly understand the hate.
I suspect that they would insist that it is not hate.
I know that thereare valid flaws and certainly some of the threads here address them. I'm not saying that people focus on issues that have nothing to do with the game because of lack of valid criticism. It just seems that the valid criticism is not enough for them. It may be that Mortal being a bad game is not enough and they want to make it out to be the worst game ever. It may be that talking about lag and desynch lack the emotional impact of documenting someone being "rude" or "stupid". It may be that technical issues are boring. It may be that there are only so many of these technical issues, limiting the ability to start new threads.
I've already commented on people combing through everything the developers say, and how this can be used to make somone look rude, stupid or just plain wrong. (posts 145 and 147 of this thread) Despite the fact that these issues are only marginally related to the quality of the game, some people just keep going back to that particular well.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/272763 http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/265181/Henrik-MOs-CEO-takes-a-swipe-at-Darkfall-Says-MOs-launch-will-be-better-than-Darkfalls.html http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/269183/StJudas-Community-Administrator-rages-against-customer-Update-He-has-quit-the-admin-position-effective-immediately.html http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/268942/MO-Developer-Tracker-.html http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/268579/Crazy-drama-in-IRC-devs-versus-customers.html
Or on fans of the game saying things that can be portrayed in a negative light
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/272182/Blind-support-or-true-believers.html http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/272644/MO-rallies-against-MMORPGcom-yet-again-.html http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/268166/The-absence-of-quest-actually-is-a-feature-of-MO.html http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/270477/Fanboys-versus-Skeptics.html
The end of sandboxes I don't know but maybe the end of the unfinished but expensive games.
The last part is rather misleading when you start out stating that Henrik won't go "carebear" even if it causes the company to go low on funds. Because he didn't say that.
He wants to keep the game "hardcore" but not in a way that it would discourage people from playing 5 seconds after they log in. There's nothing wrong with that, it's actually very rational and intelligent. They want to make something a little more complex then the norm without being overly complicated and impossible to get into.
What's wrong with him not liking the trolls here on MMORPG.com? Why should he care about people that have no interest in the game, other then to dissuade others from playing it? And he is right, people should just ignore them. These forums have become overrun with hate and intolerance; they do more to hurt MMO's then they do to promote them. It's actually pretty sad.
You also were a little misleading about the 6-7 year development cycle he was talking about. You try to give the impression that it would take that long before the game would reach a state that it was ready to release, and that's not what Henrik was talking about. It's more akin to Blizzard holding back WoW for a couple of years longer so that they could implement raid dungeons, and battlegrounds. Six to seven years of development would mean that MO would release with every continent, every dungeon, every skill, everything; not just what they wanted in for release. This is something that can be applied to all MMO's; not just a sandbox.
I'm really confused as to the point of all this.
What are you attempting to do? What is your motivation? And why put in so much effort to beat down a video game?
Guys this is *IRC*. It's not an official information delivery channel or anything like that. People go to IRC to relax, tell jokes and stuff. There are irc channels for many games but it's always like that. Some official might come here and there but you don't expect him to talk like he would talk to the press... -> If he didn't mind spending all the time needed to prepare to talk formally, he wouldn't be on IRC but he would actually be talking to the press
"Traditionally, massively multiplier online games have been about three basic gameplay pillars combat, exploration and character progression. In Alganon, in addition to these we've added the fourth pillar to the equation: Copy & Paste."
IRC is about the only channel for information in SV and their preferred method. I don't see what "official" has to do with it!
I win!!! LOL@U
I understand where the ceo is coming from, no doubt, he doesn't want a wow clone, he wants a successful mmo, and by being non-standard it *could* work. His cynicism over what his company needs from a player base is not in line with reality imo, but hopefully it'll work well. And he doesn't know eve online at all then, as pvp 1v1 doesn't usually happen and even then skills help, but the right skills in the right counter-ship and buhbye.
Baiting the community is just as bad for him, it wont benefit him in any kind of good publicity.
List of SOE lies
A witty saying proves nothing.
-Voltaire
Dunno about end of sanbox games, but I sure hope it helps stop games from being published unfinished.
This has to be a mistake.
No way in hell that is from the CEO of a gaming company. Did anyone notice the guy can't even type. what's a lpayer? As a CEO professional, he uses the word ain't?
Not sure about the rest of you, but every and I mean EVERY CEO I have ever met, used correct grammar especially when typing.
This has to be a hoax. The entire time I was reading that crap from a "supposed" ceo, all I kept thinking was, how old is this guy 11?
He is the CEO... but he is also a young guy.. and let's be honest here.. he's the CEO of around 20 employees. It's not exactly Microsoft after all
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Henrik is so full of him self, it's Devs attitude which made me stop playing the game. I am tired of them seeing everything as hardcore, thinking that MO is the final word in the sandbox genre.. Darkfall is doing well, so does EvE. There are several sandboxes coming out like Xsyon and Aerrevan. So no, if MO fails, it wont be end of sandboxes, but end of lazy developers with their pain in ass features.
@ Neonaka
It's not a misstake, it is the CEO, and he does think what he said there. He often have typos, after all english is not his native language, and it's easy to spell wrong when chatting without possibility to edit.
Testers for both the listed games are currently under an NDA.
I highly doubt you are going to get anyone to break that NDA just to post pics or video here for no purpose other than satisfying someones personal curiosities.
No offense man, spend some times googling please, will be more useful then me linking some random pics. Xsyon doesnt have a gameplay video yet thou, they were keepin g rather low profile, but its on the way.
None of them have as good graphics as MO, yet they are sandbox.
Graphics does not matter, in Mortal's case it makes the game worse. Game looks good but when you actually play it and see all the bugs, the graphics don't matter. Would rather play a game with lower graphics that actually has good and completed content.
Looks like SV is "punishing" the IRC folks because some of those crazy statements were linked in this thread:
http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/39173-thanks.html
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Oh, I don't think SV is "punishing them" so much as getting caught up in all the lies they told early on to hype up the game. They got by on the "well, IRC is unofficial" from everybody for so long, they forgot the promises they made and features they promised early on to get people really interested into the game.
Now that people actually look back and see what they were saying about herbalism, about seiging, about what would be in for LAUNCH -- they are stopping communication.
This is exactly what you get when you catch a liar actually telling the lie. They can't refute it, so they just clam up. And now that they can't get by on "Unofficial" statements in IRC (keeping hype going) without getting caught, they realize that venue of hype is over and the game actually may have to stand on its MERITS. I for one am glad they stopped posting in IRC, because all they told were promises and lies about how they fixed the desync, how they worked on previous MMOs (yea, they said that too), all the features, etc.. At least people won't be taken in by that.