You can't say at this stage of development that its woorth buying or playing.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
You can't say at this stage of development that its woorth buying or playing.
You can say, however, that it is worth trying. Demo at least.
Do note this was in jest. The OP basiclly, made arguements that are valid but ignore the fact that most people are giving opinions. OF COURSE NO ONE CAN KNOW THE FUTURE, however from what we currently see , people can say, due to this this game [an unstated, "in my opinion"] will not be good/worth playing. This is a viable thing to do.
However, instead of arguing the merits of their opinions and arguments, this op decided to point out that no one knows the future. Wow, thats effective . . . . not. So using a bit of wit i made the same type of argument, using similar format to pointout no one should buy it becuase, you cannot know if it will be good.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
this is awesome, i finished reading the article, Then i started reading the responses, the number of replies in this discussion calling the article all sorts of names is pretty entertaining by itself.
Sure this article is opinionated, but he sure as hell calls out the same hillarious statements (i.e. wow killer) that we still see being posted time and time and time again, and whats more is that people have their panties tied up so hard they are arguing at the writer for what, speaking the truth.
"waah, i wanna make more its not a sand box threads! stop calling me out!" , sure get mad for stating something that Everybody should know what the game is or is not, but dont be surprised when you see MORE threads of the very same horse beaten topics all the way up to launch.
lemme say this in another way: IF people already know all this, AND they see this article and go " hmph, what a waste of a article"...then why the hell are we STILL seeing threads about they wish this was SWG 2.0?
What, they want a magical unicorn to come in and give them space exploration?? I LOVE exploration, and Daniel whats his name should be given 50 lashes with a brick tied to a rope fused with legos for is remarks, but ey - it is what it is, move the hell on.
But we're hummmans!! we cant move on, we gotta discuss everything until that magic unicorn arrives with what we have been screaming for ages to come!!!
Here's your unicorn folks-
whether or not www.mmorpg.com reaches jerry springer status or not, who knows, but with this and the Eve. vs. STO discussion, this is enough to make a Troll's flapping butt cheeks curl in delight.
Though we do not know the outcome of this game yet im expecting great things from this game. It may not be a "WOW Killer" but to be honest a game is never killed nor ended. Look at Star wars galaxies for example its been running for seven years, many people have clamed thats it dead but it isn't there are still many servers and many people playing it. As much as i would like TOR to be a sandbox world like SWG i dont think it would be. Although many sandbox games have problems with having to open worlds and not enough like darkfall for example is to big and not enough in it monster wise and player wise. I would love the housing system to be like SWG's but they already claimed that your home would be the starship. So my conclusion would be that it would be that you can't have a home placed on world or anything such like that. But palce a house on a world would be considered to be a sandbox. I do not expect the game to be a "game changer" but i think other gameing compinies would think more about making games be fully voiced.
The game could bomb.... Ncsoft made Guild Wars and Linage very good MMOs but Aion bombed.
1. NCSoft did not make Guild Wars, ArenaNet did. The NCSoft development team that made the Lineage games and Aion are completely seperate from ArenaNet.
Square Enix makes quality games but FFXIV bombed. It could just as easily happan to Bioware.
I completely agree.
As far as the main article is concerned, I agree on all points. This is actually one of the best articles John has written in my opinion. His articles usually come off sounding as if he has never touched any MMO game besides WoW and doesn't really have any experience with the genre.
This one on the other hand touched on the major reasons I don't even bother going to the ToR forum any longer.
Sounds like he's at least got his finger on the pulse of the community, if not the games we follow.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Ok, you’ve probably heard enough of my rant, but I hope that my message has been clear: Star Wars: The Old Republic is, whether you love it, hate it, or really couldn’t care less, its own game and as such will appeal to some and completely turn off others. Which side of that equation the scales will tip to at this point is impossible even for the most experienced MMO players and insiders to accurately predict, so let’s keep in mind the things that Star Wars: The Old Republic isn’t before we rip each other’s heads off over a still-in-development game.
Well said sir i agree completely, always a good read.
my bad grimfall, I should have stated what I meant about space combat and exploration. I come from a Eve background and expect more out of what is offered when it comes to a Star Wars IP
my bad grimfall, I should have stated what I meant about space combat and exploration. I come from a Eve background and expect more out of what is offered when it comes to a Star Wars IP
Sucks for you and your expectations, considering expecting really fleshed out space ina star wars game is like expecting a cheeseburger to be healthy for you.
The only non space based SW game i can even thyink of that had any real space in it is SWG, so why you would expect it is beyond me.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
my bad grimfall, I should have stated what I meant about space combat and exploration. I come from a Eve background and expect more out of what is offered when it comes to a Star Wars IP
The thing though is you know full well this game is not following Eve's design, Star Wars outside of those of us who have delved into the lore beyond the films is nothing like EVE which translates much closer to what I would expect from a Star Trek game not Star Wars.
I played an old Star wars rpg that had a great campaign where you were on a correllian corvette and the entire module took place in space trying to track someone down but again that is deep into the lore I can see that you would like ot see gameplay more similar to EVE but why then would you expect it?
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I love all the people who defend this game because its from Bioware, but those same people will turn around and bash Blizzard.
Bioware makes quality games.... and thats your big defence for this game.
Gusse what Blizzard makes quality games also. Why do you not stand up and defend Blizzard?
I just love how so many people are hypocrites. Honestly we should all just wait and see.
The game could bomb.... Ncsoft made Guild Wars and Linage very good MMOs but Aion bombed.
Square Enix makes quality games but FFXIV bombed. It could just as easily happan to Bioware.
I sence that my posts may be involved in youre coment so i will answer. My defence is not that Bioware makes good games and Blizz doesen't. That is far form the truth. My defence is that many of the facts presented in this article are simply not true. For more information all interested schould go on the official SWTOR site.
My problem is not with Blizz not making good games.. or meaby yes.. they are not good, they are excelet games. First of all is the remark in the article "WOW killer" that is a non intersting idea posted by idiots... aside from the fact that they are both MMOs ther is no similarity between them... Sci-Fi MMO has nothing to do with Fantasy MMO... such a good writer as mister Wood schould remark that. Second my specific problem is with WOW and with Blizz dumbing it down for the sake of making money and not at all with the capacity of Blizz to make exceptional games. I am a old costumer os Blizz i played WOW till it got dumbed down and now i play Starcraft 2... both excelet games before that i played Warcraft, all of them nad Diablo... so meaby you didnt understand corectly what i have to say... Hope this clarifies everything. And i can not change my opinion about WOW.. and that it is no need for a idiotic label as "WOW killer", WOW is dieing on it's own.
my bad grimfall, I should have stated what I meant about space combat and exploration. I come from a Eve background and expect more out of what is offered when it comes to a Star Wars IP
Sorry marw Star Wars can;t be similar to EVE... it is not it's focus.. it's focus is around Jedi Sith and other things like that. Shure it iwll have some space related gameplay but not as hardcore as EVE.. so... sorry.. you schould relate to some Datr Wars movies if you want to document what it will be about.. knowing Lucas, the game will keep to that trand line...
The game could bomb.... Ncsoft made Guild Wars and Linage very good MMOs but Aion bombed.
1. NCSoft did not make Guild Wars, ArenaNet did. The NCSoft development team that made the Lineage games and Aion are completely seperate from ArenaNet.
Square Enix makes quality games but FFXIV bombed. It could just as easily happan to Bioware.
I completely agree.
As far as the main article is concerned, I agree on all points. This is actually one of the best articles John has written in my opinion. His articles usually come off sounding as if he has never touched any MMO game besides WoW and doesn't really have any experience with the genre.
This one on the other hand touched on the major reasons I don't even bother going to the ToR forum any longer.
Sounds like he's at least got his finger on the pulse of the community, if not the games we follow.
Please tell me the part where the article is right.. and pls tell me what can mister Wood know for shure about the game... i will be waiting with interes.
Please tell me the part where the article is right.. and pls tell me what can mister Wood know for shure about the game... i will be waiting with interes.
I'm not really sure I understand the question. The article is John's opinion on the overall silly reactions and discussions that overwhelm the SWTOR forums here. So, since it's his opinion, it's neither right or wrong, I just happen to agree with him.
As to the second part of your reply, he doesn't know anything for sure about the game, that was the whole point of the article. No one knows.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Please tell me the part where the article is right.. and pls tell me what can mister Wood know for shure about the game... i will be waiting with interes.
I'm not really sure I understand the question. The article is John's opinion on the overall silly reactions and discussions that overwhelm the SWTOR forums here. So, since it's his opinion, it's neither right or wrong, I just happen to agree with him.
As to the second part of your reply, he doesn't know anything for sure about the game, that was the whole point of the article. No one knows.
Opinions can be wrong. You can't just call something an opinion and think that it's completely protected from debate.
Please tell me the part where the article is right.. and pls tell me what can mister Wood know for shure about the game... i will be waiting with interes.
I'm not really sure I understand the question. The article is John's opinion on the overall silly reactions and discussions that overwhelm the SWTOR forums here. So, since it's his opinion, it's neither right or wrong, I just happen to agree with him.
As to the second part of your reply, he doesn't know anything for sure about the game, that was the whole point of the article. No one knows.
Opinions can be wrong. You can't just call something an opinion and think that it's completely protected from debate.
Dameonk just explained that it was an opinion to a guy demanding facts. Nowhere did I get that Dameonk was telling pelerinul that his opinion could not be discussed/challenged, he was just explaining that it was nothing more then an opinion, so facts are nonexistent.
Please tell me the part where the article is right.. and pls tell me what can mister Wood know for shure about the game... i will be waiting with interes.
I'm not really sure I understand the question. The article is John's opinion on the overall silly reactions and discussions that overwhelm the SWTOR forums here. So, since it's his opinion, it's neither right or wrong, I just happen to agree with him.
As to the second part of your reply, he doesn't know anything for sure about the game, that was the whole point of the article. No one knows.
This exactly my take on it as well and I agree with him wholeheartedly. I'm not trying to make SWTOR into something it's not. I just know two things:
I'm ready to play another Star Wars mmo.
I want it to be different than my first Star Wars mmo experience.
Has nothing to do with trying to sell it to anyone (but myself), please anyone (but myself) or convince anyone it will be the best thing since sliced bread (been playing mmos too long for that). Thank you Mr. Wood. Thank you for showing me that there is commonsense among the common confusion around here.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
To all of you that are thinking this is going to be a PvP game, you have to understand that it's not. We have seen many numerous PvP Guilds drop this game from their list of games to play- there is a reason. That being said, you can't have a meaningful PvP game without the game being a Sandbox style game anyways. It will for sure incorporate PvP, but that PvP will be shallow at best.
If you are looking for a PvP Game, TOR is not the one for you.
To all of you that are thinking this is going to be a PvP game, you have to understand that it's not. We have seen many numerous PvP Guilds drop this game from their list of games to play- there is a reason. That being said, you can't have a meaningful PvP game without the game being a Sandbox style game anyways. It will for sure incorporate PvP, but that PvP will be shallow at best.
If you are looking for a PvP Game, TOR is not the one for you.
Or, you could use some common sense and wait for BioWare to actually tell us what PvP will entail in this game. Nevermind, that would just be a stupid thing to do.
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OP forgot, Worth buying.
You can't say at this stage of development that its woorth buying or playing.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
is it so much to ask that a game maker actually MEET or exceed a customer's expectations?
I'm sure this game will be star-warsy enough for us all. check.
will have lots of things blowing up. check.
will have every iconic sound that we've come to know about ST. check.
....I want my damn uncle owen back biotches!
no sale here.
I love all the people who defend this game because its from Bioware, but those same people will turn around and bash Blizzard.
Bioware makes quality games.... and thats your big defence for this game.
Gusse what Blizzard makes quality games also. Why do you not stand up and defend Blizzard?
I just love how so many people are hypocrites. Honestly we should all just wait and see.
The game could bomb.... Ncsoft made Guild Wars and Linage very good MMOs but Aion bombed.
Square Enix makes quality games but FFXIV bombed. It could just as easily happan to Bioware.
Do note this was in jest. The OP basiclly, made arguements that are valid but ignore the fact that most people are giving opinions. OF COURSE NO ONE CAN KNOW THE FUTURE, however from what we currently see , people can say, due to this this game [an unstated, "in my opinion"] will not be good/worth playing. This is a viable thing to do.
However, instead of arguing the merits of their opinions and arguments, this op decided to point out that no one knows the future. Wow, thats effective . . . . not. So using a bit of wit i made the same type of argument, using similar format to pointout no one should buy it becuase, you cannot know if it will be good.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Man... lol
this is awesome, i finished reading the article, Then i started reading the responses, the number of replies in this discussion calling the article all sorts of names is pretty entertaining by itself.
Sure this article is opinionated, but he sure as hell calls out the same hillarious statements (i.e. wow killer) that we still see being posted time and time and time again, and whats more is that people have their panties tied up so hard they are arguing at the writer for what, speaking the truth.
"waah, i wanna make more its not a sand box threads! stop calling me out!" , sure get mad for stating something that Everybody should know what the game is or is not, but dont be surprised when you see MORE threads of the very same horse beaten topics all the way up to launch.
lemme say this in another way: IF people already know all this, AND they see this article and go " hmph, what a waste of a article"...then why the hell are we STILL seeing threads about they wish this was SWG 2.0?
What, they want a magical unicorn to come in and give them space exploration?? I LOVE exploration, and Daniel whats his name should be given 50 lashes with a brick tied to a rope fused with legos for is remarks, but ey - it is what it is, move the hell on.
But we're hummmans!! we cant move on, we gotta discuss everything until that magic unicorn arrives with what we have been screaming for ages to come!!!
Here's your unicorn folks-
whether or not www.mmorpg.com reaches jerry springer status or not, who knows, but with this and the Eve. vs. STO discussion, this is enough to make a Troll's flapping butt cheeks curl in delight.
Peace out, see you guys on the next one
Though we do not know the outcome of this game yet im expecting great things from this game. It may not be a "WOW Killer" but to be honest a game is never killed nor ended. Look at Star wars galaxies for example its been running for seven years, many people have clamed thats it dead but it isn't there are still many servers and many people playing it. As much as i would like TOR to be a sandbox world like SWG i dont think it would be. Although many sandbox games have problems with having to open worlds and not enough like darkfall for example is to big and not enough in it monster wise and player wise. I would love the housing system to be like SWG's but they already claimed that your home would be the starship. So my conclusion would be that it would be that you can't have a home placed on world or anything such like that. But palce a house on a world would be considered to be a sandbox. I do not expect the game to be a "game changer" but i think other gameing compinies would think more about making games be fully voiced.
Over all this is just my opinion
Yeah I'm surprised as well at how many people are crying over the article. I read some of it initially, and it seemed like just another article to me.
Great article, I like JW's style.
Also, 80% of this forum's user base is retarded. I fully expected this thing to cause a nexus of hate, totally worth it tho.
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As far as the main article is concerned, I agree on all points. This is actually one of the best articles John has written in my opinion. His articles usually come off sounding as if he has never touched any MMO game besides WoW and doesn't really have any experience with the genre.
This one on the other hand touched on the major reasons I don't even bother going to the ToR forum any longer.
Sounds like he's at least got his finger on the pulse of the community, if not the games we follow.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Thank you, Jon. A good read.
Ok, you’ve probably heard enough of my rant, but I hope that my message has been clear: Star Wars: The Old Republic is, whether you love it, hate it, or really couldn’t care less, its own game and as such will appeal to some and completely turn off others. Which side of that equation the scales will tip to at this point is impossible even for the most experienced MMO players and insiders to accurately predict, so let’s keep in mind the things that Star Wars: The Old Republic isn’t before we rip each other’s heads off over a still-in-development game.
Well said sir i agree completely, always a good read.
my bad grimfall, I should have stated what I meant about space combat and exploration. I come from a Eve background and expect more out of what is offered when it comes to a Star Wars IP
Sucks for you and your expectations, considering expecting really fleshed out space ina star wars game is like expecting a cheeseburger to be healthy for you.
The only non space based SW game i can even thyink of that had any real space in it is SWG, so why you would expect it is beyond me.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
The thing though is you know full well this game is not following Eve's design, Star Wars outside of those of us who have delved into the lore beyond the films is nothing like EVE which translates much closer to what I would expect from a Star Trek game not Star Wars.
I played an old Star wars rpg that had a great campaign where you were on a correllian corvette and the entire module took place in space trying to track someone down but again that is deep into the lore I can see that you would like ot see gameplay more similar to EVE but why then would you expect it?
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I sence that my posts may be involved in youre coment so i will answer. My defence is not that Bioware makes good games and Blizz doesen't. That is far form the truth. My defence is that many of the facts presented in this article are simply not true. For more information all interested schould go on the official SWTOR site.
My problem is not with Blizz not making good games.. or meaby yes.. they are not good, they are excelet games. First of all is the remark in the article "WOW killer" that is a non intersting idea posted by idiots... aside from the fact that they are both MMOs ther is no similarity between them... Sci-Fi MMO has nothing to do with Fantasy MMO... such a good writer as mister Wood schould remark that. Second my specific problem is with WOW and with Blizz dumbing it down for the sake of making money and not at all with the capacity of Blizz to make exceptional games. I am a old costumer os Blizz i played WOW till it got dumbed down and now i play Starcraft 2... both excelet games before that i played Warcraft, all of them nad Diablo... so meaby you didnt understand corectly what i have to say... Hope this clarifies everything. And i can not change my opinion about WOW.. and that it is no need for a idiotic label as "WOW killer", WOW is dieing on it's own.
Peace.
Sorry marw Star Wars can;t be similar to EVE... it is not it's focus.. it's focus is around Jedi Sith and other things like that. Shure it iwll have some space related gameplay but not as hardcore as EVE.. so... sorry.. you schould relate to some Datr Wars movies if you want to document what it will be about.. knowing Lucas, the game will keep to that trand line...
Please tell me the part where the article is right.. and pls tell me what can mister Wood know for shure about the game... i will be waiting with interes.
I'm not really sure I understand the question. The article is John's opinion on the overall silly reactions and discussions that overwhelm the SWTOR forums here. So, since it's his opinion, it's neither right or wrong, I just happen to agree with him.
As to the second part of your reply, he doesn't know anything for sure about the game, that was the whole point of the article. No one knows.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
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Opinions can be wrong. You can't just call something an opinion and think that it's completely protected from debate.
Dameonk just explained that it was an opinion to a guy demanding facts. Nowhere did I get that Dameonk was telling pelerinul that his opinion could not be discussed/challenged, he was just explaining that it was nothing more then an opinion, so facts are nonexistent.
This exactly my take on it as well and I agree with him wholeheartedly. I'm not trying to make SWTOR into something it's not. I just know two things:
I'm ready to play another Star Wars mmo.
I want it to be different than my first Star Wars mmo experience.
Has nothing to do with trying to sell it to anyone (but myself), please anyone (but myself) or convince anyone it will be the best thing since sliced bread (been playing mmos too long for that). Thank you Mr. Wood. Thank you for showing me that there is commonsense among the common confusion around here.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Forgot one thing:
A PvP Game
To all of you that are thinking this is going to be a PvP game, you have to understand that it's not. We have seen many numerous PvP Guilds drop this game from their list of games to play- there is a reason. That being said, you can't have a meaningful PvP game without the game being a Sandbox style game anyways. It will for sure incorporate PvP, but that PvP will be shallow at best.
If you are looking for a PvP Game, TOR is not the one for you.
Or, you could use some common sense and wait for BioWare to actually tell us what PvP will entail in this game. Nevermind, that would just be a stupid thing to do.