To all of you that are thinking this is going to be a PvP game, you have to understand that it's not. We have seen many numerous PvP Guilds drop this game from their list of games to play- there is a reason. That being said, you can't have a meaningful PvP game without the game being a Sandbox style game anyways. It will for sure incorporate PvP, but that PvP will be shallow at best.
If you are looking for a PvP Game, TOR is not the one for you.
I really doubt that a sandbox mmo built around PvP could sustain 2 mmos....I don't think the crowd is big enough for it. The people laser-focused on having PvP have been moving from game to game and slowly it's been eating away their numbers. If you think you know what every PvP guild is thinking, then go see how Aion is doing. That was the last game that these so called PvP guilds were promoting....
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
To all of you that are thinking this is going to be a PvP game, you have to understand that it's not. We have seen many numerous PvP Guilds drop this game from their list of games to play- there is a reason. That being said, you can't have a meaningful PvP game without the game being a Sandbox style game anyways. It will for sure incorporate PvP, but that PvP will be shallow at best.
If you are looking for a PvP Game, TOR is not the one for you.
Or, you could use some common sense and wait for BioWare to actually tell us what PvP will entail in this game. Nevermind, that would just be a stupid thing to do.
Please tell me the part where the article is right.. and pls tell me what can mister Wood know for shure about the game... i will be waiting with interes.
I'm not really sure I understand the question. The article is John's opinion on the overall silly reactions and discussions that overwhelm the SWTOR forums here. So, since it's his opinion, it's neither right or wrong, I just happen to agree with him.
As to the second part of your reply, he doesn't know anything for sure about the game, that was the whole point of the article. No one knows.
This exactly my take on it as well and I agree with him wholeheartedly. I'm not trying to make SWTOR into something it's not. I just know two things:
I'm ready to play another Star Wars mmo.
I want it to be different than my first Star Wars mmo experience.
Has nothing to do with trying to sell it to anyone (but myself), please anyone (but myself) or convince anyone it will be the best thing since sliced bread (been playing mmos too long for that). Thank you Mr. Wood. Thank you for showing me that there is commonsense among the common confusion around here.
I hate to sound like a broken record but this is the sentiment I've been trying to get across, I can admit you will some pretty ravenous fans on any site dedicated to a particular game but when it comes to mmorpg I tend to take offense by all the "fanboi" talk because from what I read most of us are in the same boat.
We have been around long enough to know that this game could just as easily turn out like SWG did for ninety five percent of it's original player base or judging from what I know of the company making it and the ip it's based on it could be a gem that keeps me playing for quite some time.
I enjoy posting so if I see something I don't agree with I will continue to try and debate the points made articulately but I'm not here to convince anyone of anything about the game, I would hate it if someone was constantly brow beating me to think that FFXIV is something I want to play so I would never do that anyone else.
Equally though you are going to be hard pressed to find me posting about games that I think "is going to fail", "the devs talk down to the fans", or many of the other complaints levelled about the game at some point if you feel like you don't like Bioware much anyway, don't think they can make an mmo since they are known for making single player games, think the pvp is going to suck then just move on to something that in fact does appeal to you.
Are we to believe that not even a single mmorpg player is not expecting GW2 to be the greatest mmorpg ever? (for the record I don't) yet you will be hard pressed to find the amount of posting about what they are doing that doesn't appeal to those folks.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I thought the article was fair and accurate in the descriptions of many who post in the forums about this game. Two sides throwing their extreme views and drowning out those who are interested in the game for what it is. I do not look at this game from the same prism that many do because I do not look at it from the MMO side as much as I do from the RPG side. I am, and have been, a fan of BioWare's work. Any direction they take in the MMO genre would not sway my interest in the game. From my perspective it will be an enormous, grand presentation of what the company does best. A game based on story that is well written and engaging. They excel at weaving together fantastic worlds and providing great immersion into them. For its reputation in this area alone I am attracted to this game and will definitely be playing it. The other stuff is just fluff really in my opinion. So I base my appeal for the game upon my personal experience and nothing else. I would not try and devalue anyone else's opinion but many seem to give way to exaggerations either way when it comes to this title.
In short I agree with you but have a different lens.
Please tell me the part where the article is right.. and pls tell me what can mister Wood know for shure about the game... i will be waiting with interes.
I'm not really sure I understand the question. The article is John's opinion on the overall silly reactions and discussions that overwhelm the SWTOR forums here. So, since it's his opinion, it's neither right or wrong, I just happen to agree with him.
As to the second part of your reply, he doesn't know anything for sure about the game, that was the whole point of the article. No one knows.
Well i happen to think the article is ill intended looking to turn away ppl from the game, if any1 finds out about the game from this site they will not even take a look at the game.. and to that i can't agree. And if no one knows then wouldn't be fair to let the game get to beta testing first and then throu in a opinion? Would you agree to that?
I was asking you with aht part you agree from the article cose i don;t agree to nost of it ao i was thinking meaby you could make me understand better where i am wrong.
I thought the article was fair and accurate in the descriptions of many who post in the forums about this game. Two sides throwing their extreme views and drowning out those who are interested in the game for what it is. I do not look at this game from the same prism that many do because I do not look at it from the MMO side as much as I do from the RPG side. I am, and have been, a fan of BioWare's work. Any direction they take in the MMO genre would not sway my interest in the game. From my perspective it will be an enormous, grand presentation of what the company does best. A game based on story that is well written and engaging. They excel at weaving together fantastic worlds and providing great immersion into them. For its reputation in this area alone I am attracted to this game and will definitely be playing it. The other stuff is just fluff really in my opinion. So I base my appeal for the game upon my personal experience and nothing else. I would not try and devalue anyone else's opinion but many seem to give way to exaggerations either way when it comes to this title.
In short I agree with you but have a different lens.
Lol, you are wrong, it is a group oriented opinion from Mini dungeon where you go 2 or 3 to dungeons with 4 or more and meaby raids.. that is not mentioned yet on the official forum. You can take a short look at the gameplay released by Bioare and played by them.. there is a group fight...
Lol, you are wrong, it is a group oriented feature from Mini dungeon where you go 2 or 3 to dungeons with 4 or more and meaby raids.. that is not mentioned yet on the official forum. You can take a short look at the gameplay released by Bioware and played by them.. there is a group fight... And i might add there is cool feature to group instances where you take turns with the other group members in taking decisions in conversations with the NPC.
Please tell me the part where the article is right.. and pls tell me what can mister Wood know for shure about the game... i will be waiting with interes.
I'm not really sure I understand the question. The article is John's opinion on the overall silly reactions and discussions that overwhelm the SWTOR forums here. So, since it's his opinion, it's neither right or wrong, I just happen to agree with him.
As to the second part of your reply, he doesn't know anything for sure about the game, that was the whole point of the article. No one knows.
Well i happen to think the article is ill intended looking to turn away ppl from the game, if any1 finds out about the game from this site they will not even take a look at the game.. and to that i can't agree. And if no one knows then wouldn't be fair to let the game get to beta testing first and then throu in a opinion? Would you agree to that?
I was asking you with aht part you agree from the article cose i don;t agree to nost of it ao i was thinking meaby you could make me understand better where i am wrong.
I think your reading things into it that really arent there, unless of course you think that highlighting the fact that there are people who over hype the game, and people who dislike the game, is something that will turn people off of it, in which case its possible.. but thats not the OP's fault either.. and while i am one who has expressed an opinion of the game, if negatively, i do agree with the OP that our impact is probably just as bad as those people who express an overly positive one, rather, this article isnt meant to turn people away from the game, but just highlights the pitfalls of reading too much into the opinions of others, of whatever ilk.. personally while i am not impressed with the game based on the information presently available... its not impossible that when the game is released, that my opinion of the game might change, based on fact, rather than extrapolation. for better or worse. SW:TOR is still a wait and see game.
im not in the least bit excited about this game its nothing we havnt already played. its just wow with a starwars skin, probably a bit bigger and a more polished surface, but just wow.
its going to be a dissapointment to most people as most people are expecting something great from bioware. all you will get is a fantastic story that eqauls kotor and a huge world. but thats about it. you hve played this game before and you have seen this look before, its really not something new and its not anything to look forward to.
you can rest assured the game will be as high qaulity as any biowre game but as far as an mmo goes you have to remember one thing. its biowares first mmorpg and it has companions. not a good combination. the crafting will be rubbish and the content linear, elements of the game will feel like its just been copied over and edited.
Please tell me the part where the article is right.. and pls tell me what can mister Wood know for shure about the game... i will be waiting with interes.
I'm not really sure I understand the question. The article is John's opinion on the overall silly reactions and discussions that overwhelm the SWTOR forums here. So, since it's his opinion, it's neither right or wrong, I just happen to agree with him.
As to the second part of your reply, he doesn't know anything for sure about the game, that was the whole point of the article. No one knows.
Well i happen to think the article is ill intended looking to turn away ppl from the game, if any1 finds out about the game from this site they will not even take a look at the game.. and to that i can't agree. And if no one knows then wouldn't be fair to let the game get to beta testing first and then throu in a opinion? Would you agree to that?
I was asking you with aht part you agree from the article cose i don;t agree to nost of it ao i was thinking meaby you could make me understand better where i am wrong.
I think your reading things into it that really arent there, unless of course you think that highlighting the fact that there are people who over hype the game, and people who dislike the game, is something that will turn people off of it, in which case its possible.. but thats not the OP's fault either.. and while i am one who has expressed an opinion of the game, if negatively, i do agree with the OP that our impact is probably just as bad as those people who express an overly positive one, rather, this article isnt meant to turn people away from the game, but just highlights the pitfalls of reading too much into the opinions of others, of whatever ilk.. personally while i am not impressed with the game based on the information presently available... its not impossible that when the game is released, that my opinion of the game might change, based on fact, rather than extrapolation. for better or worse. SW:TOR is still a wait and see game.
Yes i can relate to youre point of view and i agree with it.. it's not my point of view but it's a balanced post.. so a valid opinion even if negative... but as i sais and many had here let's wait and see.. why say that the game will be trash when no one has played it yet? That's what ticked me off.
im not in the least bit excited about this game its nothing we havnt already played. its just wow with a starwars skin, probably a bit bigger and a more polished surface, but just wow.
its going to be a dissapointment to most people as most people are expecting something great from bioware. all you will get is a fantastic story that eqauls kotor and a huge world. but thats about it. you hve played this game before and you have seen this look before, its really not something new and its not anything to look forward to.
you can rest assured the game will be as high qaulity as any biowre game but as far as an mmo goes you have to remember one thing. its biowares first mmorpg and it has companions. not a good combination. the crafting will be rubbish and the content linear, elements of the game will feel like its just been copied over and edited.
You guys are something else just wow with Star Wars skin.. what do you espect it's a MMO you want MMO not to be MMO? I really don't get you guys... it is not about polished or not it is about the new features it brings in... you can alter youre story line for example i didn't see any of that in wow.
It is something to look forward too if it is only the fact that you can play the game with others, and i can bet it will be much more then that. I really doubt that Bioware will be so stupid as to copy KOTOR 3, invest alot of money and hope that will bring them more money then what they invested... that would be a stupid move. So i doubt it will be KOTOR 3 online cose Bioware will really lose alot of money in this case scenario.
You can't know what the content, crafting and other things will be untill we can see the game.. man i feel like a borken record... pffff... I tend to disagree with youre point of view anyways... having companions is in wow also and did it damage the game? and it is present in many other MMOs.. it just birngs more free choice elements into the game... for example having a healer combined with a tank type companion.. not as good as a player tank but still it can take some heat off the healer.. i see nothing bad in this... WOW had this and i loved it.. then they made all pets the same and it all went down... i mean how can a bear has the same armor as a owl? ehh i really don't want to refer to WOW again and i will never do it again i promise.. but it's the only game i played alot really loved.. and then really desapointed me personaly.
He tells us 'what it isnt', as facts, therefore you now presenting it as 'just his opinion' is strange.
Tbh, this article is no better or worse then any of the threads I have read on the game, the posters of which, and he readers, he is talking down to (as is becoming his habit in these posts tbh).
If there is anything these responses say to me, it's that more than half of these people could benefit from reading JW's article on reading comprehension. Other than that nice observations JW, and toward both sides, I like that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Instead of trying to reinvent the wheel, the designers have looked at the broad strokes of what has worked in the MMO world over the last six years (since WoW) and have incorporated it into the game’s design.
Yes and no.
For example there's isn't a social clothing tab in TOR. Character customization will be very, very limited and all classes will be pet classes, regarding companions are required to play.
TOR is the apogee of lack of choices. Once you choose a class, you mostly chose your specie, your faction, your weapons, your character look, your companion, your space ship chassis, your story and I would dare say your clothes colors.
Now about the tube shooter, I didn't get it delivered with the lube and its insertion was pretty much painful. There's no re-playability in that system at all. It will get old very, very fast. It's not even a multiplayer game. I'ts a MMO, Hello guys, wake up.
Don't trust me? Then go play CWA and tell me how you love it, in the long term. TOR will be quite the same shit.
Instead of trying to reinvent the wheel, the designers have looked at the broad strokes of what has worked in the MMO world over the last six years (since WoW) and have incorporated it into the game’s design.
Yes and no.
For example there's isn't a social clothing tab in TOR. Character customization will be very, very limited and all classes will be pet classes, regarding companions are required to play.
TOR is the apogee of lack of choices. Once you choose a class, you mostly chose your specie, your faction, your weapons, your character look, your companion, your space ship chassis, your story and I would dare say your clothes colors.
Now about the tube shooter, I didn't get it delivered with the lube and its insertion was pretty much painful. There's no re-playability in that system at all. It will get old very, very fast. It's not even a multiplayer game. I'ts a MMO, Hello guys, wake up.
Don't trust me? Then go play CWA and tell me how you love it, in the long term. TOR will be quite the same shit.
If you want to play dressup go buy a doll... nothing more to say.. in any mmo when you chose youre class you cose everything... try and play wow as warrior with a gun.. man this kind of posts really puzzle me... what do you want from a mmo? you want it play a class with all weapons, all armor, meaby be your own healer? and again you don't know that... it's just asumption.... but having idiotic espectations that is really something.. i can't believe you guys.
You don;t know if companions are requiered or just a plus... you don't know nothing... you are making asumption... and even if it was a must what is youre problem with that? Have you ever played a hunter? Did it bother you to have a pet? It didn;t bother me even if my main was a healer class...
Yes when you choose youre class you chose youre specie, youre faction, youre weapons, youre caracter look. youre companion, youre space shio chassos, your story (the cloth color i am not really shure but mebay youre armor type) as you do in any MMO.. the diference is that youre story is unique for youre class witch i didnt see in any other MMO and that you can alter youre story by youre actions (and i didnt see this in any MMO.. no metter what class you chose in any MMo i played you have the same quests and the same storyline) so i guess you have alot more free choice then in most if not all MMOs.
Youre insertion schould be painfull cose youre brain is verry small if you insert things into you... By no replay you mean save and load... no there is not.. much as in life you don;t get to replay youre life.. you choose and you live with it and see where it leads you... i find it pretty cool.. if you guys want a save and load game go play Mario. Not a multiplayer game contradicts the term MMO (Masive Multiplayer Online) and you prettymuch don't say anything... just stupid things.. sorry but this is the truth and it hurts much as that tube shooter of yours.
K I know for a FACT that a tenth of the WoW Guilds are Bringing there whole Guild over. This will not Kill WoW but since WoW killed it self with the last Patch,ToR didn't have to. I mean if Blizzard didn't learning anything from what sony did.Just Shame on them. When u tell a lv 80 who paid u over 6K in sub's that his 80 is now broke.U have to play Our way or no way. This was a Stupid move from someone who thott they could do anything and ppl would kiss there ass. There is only one way to make your Toon now,so PvP is just dumb. I mean don't get me wrong I know there was alot of these Buy a power level ppl,who don't know shit goes and gets a cheat sheet to make there toon to what Joe blow said was the best. But now there is only 1 way. Blizzard will be F2P in 2 years or less. U can take that to the BANK!!!!!
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They said it was going to have something similar to battlegrounds in WoW or scenarios in WAR.
I think that's all we know so far officially.
That's correct. They've also hinted at the possibility of planets with open PvP, which I think would be great.
I really doubt that a sandbox mmo built around PvP could sustain 2 mmos....I don't think the crowd is big enough for it. The people laser-focused on having PvP have been moving from game to game and slowly it's been eating away their numbers. If you think you know what every PvP guild is thinking, then go see how Aion is doing. That was the last game that these so called PvP guilds were promoting....
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
That would be insanely badass.
Honestly, there is a lot of room for them to expand on PvP in the future even if the game doesn't start PvP heavy.
LOLZ You beat me to it.
I hate to sound like a broken record but this is the sentiment I've been trying to get across, I can admit you will some pretty ravenous fans on any site dedicated to a particular game but when it comes to mmorpg I tend to take offense by all the "fanboi" talk because from what I read most of us are in the same boat.
We have been around long enough to know that this game could just as easily turn out like SWG did for ninety five percent of it's original player base or judging from what I know of the company making it and the ip it's based on it could be a gem that keeps me playing for quite some time.
I enjoy posting so if I see something I don't agree with I will continue to try and debate the points made articulately but I'm not here to convince anyone of anything about the game, I would hate it if someone was constantly brow beating me to think that FFXIV is something I want to play so I would never do that anyone else.
Equally though you are going to be hard pressed to find me posting about games that I think "is going to fail", "the devs talk down to the fans", or many of the other complaints levelled about the game at some point if you feel like you don't like Bioware much anyway, don't think they can make an mmo since they are known for making single player games, think the pvp is going to suck then just move on to something that in fact does appeal to you.
Are we to believe that not even a single mmorpg player is not expecting GW2 to be the greatest mmorpg ever? (for the record I don't) yet you will be hard pressed to find the amount of posting about what they are doing that doesn't appeal to those folks.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I thought the article was fair and accurate in the descriptions of many who post in the forums about this game. Two sides throwing their extreme views and drowning out those who are interested in the game for what it is. I do not look at this game from the same prism that many do because I do not look at it from the MMO side as much as I do from the RPG side. I am, and have been, a fan of BioWare's work. Any direction they take in the MMO genre would not sway my interest in the game. From my perspective it will be an enormous, grand presentation of what the company does best. A game based on story that is well written and engaging. They excel at weaving together fantastic worlds and providing great immersion into them. For its reputation in this area alone I am attracted to this game and will definitely be playing it. The other stuff is just fluff really in my opinion. So I base my appeal for the game upon my personal experience and nothing else. I would not try and devalue anyone else's opinion but many seem to give way to exaggerations either way when it comes to this title.
In short I agree with you but have a different lens.
Other things SWTOR isn't:
A group oriented MMO.
An open world MMO.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
Well i happen to think the article is ill intended looking to turn away ppl from the game, if any1 finds out about the game from this site they will not even take a look at the game.. and to that i can't agree. And if no one knows then wouldn't be fair to let the game get to beta testing first and then throu in a opinion? Would you agree to that?
I was asking you with aht part you agree from the article cose i don;t agree to nost of it ao i was thinking meaby you could make me understand better where i am wrong.
A sound opinion, i totaly agree.
Lol, you are wrong, it is a group oriented opinion from Mini dungeon where you go 2 or 3 to dungeons with 4 or more and meaby raids.. that is not mentioned yet on the official forum. You can take a short look at the gameplay released by Bioare and played by them.. there is a group fight...
I am not shure waht you mean by open world...
I think your reading things into it that really arent there, unless of course you think that highlighting the fact that there are people who over hype the game, and people who dislike the game, is something that will turn people off of it, in which case its possible.. but thats not the OP's fault either.. and while i am one who has expressed an opinion of the game, if negatively, i do agree with the OP that our impact is probably just as bad as those people who express an overly positive one, rather, this article isnt meant to turn people away from the game, but just highlights the pitfalls of reading too much into the opinions of others, of whatever ilk.. personally while i am not impressed with the game based on the information presently available... its not impossible that when the game is released, that my opinion of the game might change, based on fact, rather than extrapolation. for better or worse. SW:TOR is still a wait and see game.
you forgot one point.
it will NOT be kotor 3.
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im not in the least bit excited about this game its nothing we havnt already played. its just wow with a starwars skin, probably a bit bigger and a more polished surface, but just wow.
its going to be a dissapointment to most people as most people are expecting something great from bioware. all you will get is a fantastic story that eqauls kotor and a huge world. but thats about it. you hve played this game before and you have seen this look before, its really not something new and its not anything to look forward to.
you can rest assured the game will be as high qaulity as any biowre game but as far as an mmo goes you have to remember one thing. its biowares first mmorpg and it has companions. not a good combination. the crafting will be rubbish and the content linear, elements of the game will feel like its just been copied over and edited.
its not kotor 3 but it is kotor online.
Yes i can relate to youre point of view and i agree with it.. it's not my point of view but it's a balanced post.. so a valid opinion even if negative... but as i sais and many had here let's wait and see.. why say that the game will be trash when no one has played it yet? That's what ticked me off.
You guys are something else just wow with Star Wars skin.. what do you espect it's a MMO you want MMO not to be MMO? I really don't get you guys... it is not about polished or not it is about the new features it brings in... you can alter youre story line for example i didn't see any of that in wow.
It is something to look forward too if it is only the fact that you can play the game with others, and i can bet it will be much more then that. I really doubt that Bioware will be so stupid as to copy KOTOR 3, invest alot of money and hope that will bring them more money then what they invested... that would be a stupid move. So i doubt it will be KOTOR 3 online cose Bioware will really lose alot of money in this case scenario.
You can't know what the content, crafting and other things will be untill we can see the game.. man i feel like a borken record... pffff... I tend to disagree with youre point of view anyways... having companions is in wow also and did it damage the game? and it is present in many other MMOs.. it just birngs more free choice elements into the game... for example having a healer combined with a tank type companion.. not as good as a player tank but still it can take some heat off the healer.. i see nothing bad in this... WOW had this and i loved it.. then they made all pets the same and it all went down... i mean how can a bear has the same armor as a owl? ehh i really don't want to refer to WOW again and i will never do it again i promise.. but it's the only game i played alot really loved.. and then really desapointed me personaly.
He tells us 'what it isnt', as facts, therefore you now presenting it as 'just his opinion' is strange.
Tbh, this article is no better or worse then any of the threads I have read on the game, the posters of which, and he readers, he is talking down to (as is becoming his habit in these posts tbh).
It all comes across as a bit hypocritical to me.
If there is anything these responses say to me, it's that more than half of these people could benefit from reading JW's article on reading comprehension. Other than that nice observations JW, and toward both sides, I like that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Yes and no.
For example there's isn't a social clothing tab in TOR. Character customization will be very, very limited and all classes will be pet classes, regarding companions are required to play.
TOR is the apogee of lack of choices. Once you choose a class, you mostly chose your specie, your faction, your weapons, your character look, your companion, your space ship chassis, your story and I would dare say your clothes colors.
Now about the tube shooter, I didn't get it delivered with the lube and its insertion was pretty much painful. There's no re-playability in that system at all. It will get old very, very fast. It's not even a multiplayer game. I'ts a MMO, Hello guys, wake up.
Don't trust me? Then go play CWA and tell me how you love it, in the long term. TOR will be quite the same shit.
If you want to play dressup go buy a doll... nothing more to say.. in any mmo when you chose youre class you cose everything... try and play wow as warrior with a gun.. man this kind of posts really puzzle me... what do you want from a mmo? you want it play a class with all weapons, all armor, meaby be your own healer? and again you don't know that... it's just asumption.... but having idiotic espectations that is really something.. i can't believe you guys.
You don;t know if companions are requiered or just a plus... you don't know nothing... you are making asumption... and even if it was a must what is youre problem with that? Have you ever played a hunter? Did it bother you to have a pet? It didn;t bother me even if my main was a healer class...
Yes when you choose youre class you chose youre specie, youre faction, youre weapons, youre caracter look. youre companion, youre space shio chassos, your story (the cloth color i am not really shure but mebay youre armor type) as you do in any MMO.. the diference is that youre story is unique for youre class witch i didnt see in any other MMO and that you can alter youre story by youre actions (and i didnt see this in any MMO.. no metter what class you chose in any MMo i played you have the same quests and the same storyline) so i guess you have alot more free choice then in most if not all MMOs.
Youre insertion schould be painfull cose youre brain is verry small if you insert things into you... By no replay you mean save and load... no there is not.. much as in life you don;t get to replay youre life.. you choose and you live with it and see where it leads you... i find it pretty cool.. if you guys want a save and load game go play Mario. Not a multiplayer game contradicts the term MMO (Masive Multiplayer Online) and you prettymuch don't say anything... just stupid things.. sorry but this is the truth and it hurts much as that tube shooter of yours.
Let's get to the real important question here: Will they really make you a grilled cheese at McDonalds?
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Just ask for a cheeseburger without the beef patty.
Edit: Also, McDonald's in Canada do serve actual grilled cheese sandwiches.
K I know for a FACT that a tenth of the WoW Guilds are Bringing there whole Guild over. This will not Kill WoW but since WoW killed it self with the last Patch,ToR didn't have to. I mean if Blizzard didn't learning anything from what sony did.Just Shame on them. When u tell a lv 80 who paid u over 6K in sub's that his 80 is now broke.U have to play Our way or no way. This was a Stupid move from someone who thott they could do anything and ppl would kiss there ass. There is only one way to make your Toon now,so PvP is just dumb. I mean don't get me wrong I know there was alot of these Buy a power level ppl,who don't know shit goes and gets a cheat sheet to make there toon to what Joe blow said was the best. But now there is only 1 way. Blizzard will be F2P in 2 years or less. U can take that to the BANK!!!!!