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Star Wars: The Old Republic: Things SWTOR Isn't

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  • bbethelbbethel Member UncommonPosts: 201

    I like everything i have read so far becouse it is Star Wars. My only problem is the same problem that  a lot of people are looking like that they too. I want to play my MMo in a big open world. I dont want to feal like im closed in and have to do the story all the time. If I want to explore i hope i can spend hours exploreing. When i get bored of that i can go back to the story. I also want to see people playing doing missions.

    If we are all doing story missions will we all be in instances or will be in the world so it does not feal like we are the only ones on the planet?

  • StraddenStradden Managing EditorMember CommonPosts: 6,696

    Nevermind

    Cheers,
    Jon Wood
    Managing Editor
    MMORPG.com

  • JimmacJimmac Member UncommonPosts: 1,660

    Originally posted by Stradden

    Nevermind

    You guys delete peoples' posts so fast you can't even keep up. 

    Oh and on top, SWTOR doesn't really seem to follow the IP of the movies so much as it follows the IP of the KOTOR games and books and stuff. I think with so much story there it's hard to say space exploration isn't apart of it. But it really depends on how you define exploration. 

  • exigentgamerexigentgamer Member Posts: 71

    Originally posted by Stradden

    Nevermind

    speak your mind brother!

    It was a good article and I agree with a lot of it, it really makes me upset when trolls and others make just absolute statements about swtor.  They have made it extremely clear that this game is going to be story based but also open world there is an entire compilation on youtube that I can not find to save my life that shows the devs and designer leads talking about whats in the game.

    Its going to be a MMORPG with a DEEP star wars story, I imagine like how LOTRO has books for the arcing epic story line and then you have your own, only this game is going to have Bioware depth of talent and EA's and BioWare depth of pockets.

  • knordknord Member UncommonPosts: 14

    The only WoW killer is WoW itself.

    The only Star Wars MMO is SWG pre-cu :P

    Seriously:

    SWTOR might turn out to be a good option compared to WoW, one fantasy, one sci-fi, both theme park based.

    For casual players (and game houses) it might be a good thing.

  • sungodrasungodra Member Posts: 1,376

    Originally posted by ZERMINUS

    Originally posted by Beermangler

    For everyone, hater or fanboi: play it as a single player game and you'll love it.

    Yeah, but here's the problem - if it's a sinle player game, why are we paying monthly mmo rents to play it?

     Because it is not a single player game....  It's an MMO. Probably have more content then most mmo's out have right now on release date. Or at least I am hoping for it to.

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  • sungodrasungodra Member Posts: 1,376

    Originally posted by Stradden

    Nevermind

     No reason to sit here and argue with these people. I know what your article meant, it was a pretty good article, I didn't like how it started , but I understand what you are trying to do here.

     

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  • oakthornnoakthornn Member UncommonPosts: 863

    It won't be worth a monthly subscription. After 30 days, many people will leave the game due to it's lack of being a sandbox MMORPG..  The only people left playing after the free 30 days will be those fanboy KOTOR gamers. Traditional sandbox based MMORPG fans like myself won't last very long...

    I plan on getting the game because I'm a huge SW fan, but I know I won't be subscribing past my free 30 days.. 

    I've noticed over the years that if the MMO I'm playing doesn't share the same mechanics and design aspects as the original EQ, I end up losing interest very fast. It's just how it is with my personal taste in MMO's, and my personal opinion on what a great mmorpg should be...

    Unfortunately, I'll have to wait for RIFTS: Planes of Telara, as that is pretty much the only game which will share similar features and game mechanics to EQ...

    Rallithon Oakthornn
    (Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)

  • Xondar123Xondar123 Member CommonPosts: 2,543

    Originally posted by SBFord

    To the folks that fit into the latter category, I don’t know what to tell you. You’re not going to like this game. It’s not what you want it to be, and many of you (not all by a long shot), should you for some reason purchase this game, will find fault after fault with it and have difficulty seeing the bright sides even when they exist. The best thing you all can do is turn your backs on it now, at least until after launch. Complaining about the broad strokes of the game’s fundamental design isn’t going to turn BioWare back now.

    Hear, hear! I'm glad someone at this site finally said this! Preach on Brother Jon!

     

    Also, can't believe you mentioned the name of The Scottish Play. Best to never say it in my opinion. :P

  • mmorpglotrommorpglotro Member Posts: 47

    Thanks for the post...I enjoyed reading it.

  • JimmacJimmac Member UncommonPosts: 1,660

    Your post didn't really seem delete worthy to me. 

    Oh and to keep mine on topic, SWTOR will be be the first direct WOW competitor I think. As a result, I suspect the community will be quite terrible. I don't think I would even try the game unless I am wrong about that. Unless it is just so awesome that it is worth playing despite the community (which I doubt that will happen). 

  • sifudojasifudoja Member Posts: 142

    Sad to hear that people look at the sandbox style as a design flaw.

    It reflects the way 10 years of financial failure for mmo companies has effected the industry.

    Employees canned on the regular, teams broken, companies split or dissolved. Now an entire genre of gaming bites the dust. Why?.... Because WoW is the only truly successful mmo, and it isn't a sandbox game.

    Is it so hard to realise that all those other mmos sucked? You could make an MMO about sweeping dust off the moon, and if it was fun, people would play it.

    Don't hate the sandbox, hate the city workers who placed the sandbox in the middle of a landfil, or the fact noone cared when 100,000 people said " that idea sucks! ", because there was money to be made from it.

  • gary0515gary0515 Member Posts: 36

    Ok you had your say. My turn. I agree, TOR should be its own game. But Star Wars on the movie screen was about political upheaval and dramatic change. The Star Wars books not just the movies are also about a space faring society. No one playing this game or any other MMO is going to change the universe. MMO designers would die of apoplexy if they allowed any major straying from the general content of get a mission/quest go kill maim destroy said bad/good guys, return for reward. repeat. TOR really will be just another mindless kill fest game no matter what. There isnt going to be any really kool stuff. Developers including Bioware dont want any awe and imagination inspriring content.

    Yes im jaded, but this is also the truth. There really isnt any MMO out there that does anything different. Kill this to get that, play as a group the killing is funner. Still though I would love to be able to get into my ship and discover a new map, or new tech, or hell even a whole new group of baddies to killfest on. Really would like to see an MMO that isnt going to follow this model. Otherwise why bother to spend the 70 dollars Bioware is going to charge for the box when its only going to be another killfest? Just stay with whatever game your already playing.

  • pelerinulpelerinul Member Posts: 22

    Originally posted by Jimmac

    Your post didn't really seem delete worthy to me. 

    Oh and to keep mine on topic, SWTOR will be be the first direct WOW competitor I think. As a result, I suspect the community will be quite terrible. I don't think I would even try the game unless I am wrong about that. Unless it is just so awesome that it is worth playing despite the community (which I doubt that will happen). 


     

     You are wrong, the game concept is different, the game will be played by some WOW players at first but not many will remain in it... firstly because i suspect a 3 y.o. will not be able to play it, secondly because this game is based on the vast Star Wars fan poll witch are not so young. We will see that's waht i say.. why make asumptions? Do we really know what wil be or willl be not? Do you know? I am planing on buing ant trieing it out.. of course i will know more after the beta but untill then lets wait.

     

    P.S. My first post was deleted as you can see i have only one post... this is te second :).

  • pelerinulpelerinul Member Posts: 22

    Originally posted by gary0515

    Ok you had your say. My turn. I agree, TOR should be its own game. But Star Wars on the movie screen was about political upheaval and dramatic change. The Star Wars books not just the movies are also about a space faring society. No one playing this game or any other MMO is going to change the universe. MMO designers would die of apoplexy if they allowed any major straying from the general content of get a mission/quest go kill maim destroy said bad/good guys, return for reward. repeat. TOR really will be just another mindless kill fest game no matter what. There isnt going to be any really kool stuff. Developers including Bioware dont want any awe and imagination inspriring content.

    Yes im jaded, but this is also the truth. There really isnt any MMO out there that does anything different. Kill this to get that, play as a group the killing is funner. Still though I would love to be able to get into my ship and discover a new map, or new tech, or hell even a whole new group of baddies to killfest on. Really would like to see an MMO that isnt going to follow this model. Otherwise why bother to spend the 70 dollars Bioware is going to charge for the box when its only going to be another killfest? Just stay with whatever game your already playing.


     

     Well i guess this is not the game for you then.. let me remind you that mmo is a gendre of course it will be kill this kill that, what about FPS would you have a SIMS game combined to it? that is insane.

     

    Of course they will keep within the bounds of the Star Wars universe, Lucas is really protective with it's work.. it brought alot of money over the years and it sitll is... but what would you want... let me reminf you this is happening before the books and the movies story, hsck, even before KOTOR... but wouldn't you want to have the abilitie for a change to change youre storyline with the decisions you make? No MMO has this.. not even WOW not to say that every class has it's own storyline? Imagine the amount of work to do this... amm MMO's have the same quest line same storyline... And that's a given if you played Mass Effect you know what i am talking abot i bet Bioware willl expand that concept into this game.... Explore.. you will explore... do you know the maps of any planet, any cities? I don't and i wont until i play the game.. the rest is just empty space.. what is there to explore... there will be ship combat.. meavy even pvp... go on the official page and read... there are interesting things there.

  • JimmacJimmac Member UncommonPosts: 1,660

    Star Wars is hugely popular with little kids still. Star Wars: Clone Wars. New movies. KOTOR was very popular. And I don't think it will be any harder then WOW. Why make assumptions? It's just a guess and it's about all I can do. I like talking about mmorpg's. Discussion cannot hurt, so I don't see what's wrong with it. No harm no foul. 

  • pelerinulpelerinul Member Posts: 22

    Originally posted by Jimmac

    Star Wars is hugely popular with little kids still. Star Wars: Clone Wars. New movies. KOTOR was very popular. And I don't think it will be any harder then WOW. Why make assumptions? It's just a guess and it's about all I can do. I like talking about mmorpg's. Discussion cannot hurt, so I don't see what's wrong with it. No harm no foul. 


     

     Taht is right, there are only asumptions to be made... nut there is gameplay released by Bioware... played by them and it didn;t look easy at all... they almost bought it :))... we will see but i think it will be at  least a above average game.... and that is a asumption also... not having any good MMO to play it will do for me. And i totaly agree no harm in ahving a conversation.. i totaly enjoy exchanging ideas... my upset is with the article it's ill intended...

  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935

    The article and reviewer is obviously playing it safe.  "It's not going to be X nor Y and it certainly won't be Z and it definitely won't be A-W but then I am sure it will be in-between."

    Pleasssse.  Bring a real editorial.  You are contradicting yourself so much as to win in the end, playing all sides.  Make a stand!

    I really cannot stand "editorials" which really summize nothing.  It's a copout and a cheap one at that.  Losing respect for the writers here at MMORPG.  What side you playing?  Or is it both?

     

    As a footnote: SWG was never received well.  Even in the beginning people were complaining it had no content.  I'm not sure if you are one of those people, but by far and large the critics panned SWG as "the coaster of the year."  I'd reallt be interested in reading your review (if you had one).  See if it's been altered to accomadate the MMO-base now.

  • JimmacJimmac Member UncommonPosts: 1,660

    Originally posted by pelerinul

    Originally posted by Jimmac

    Star Wars is hugely popular with little kids still. Star Wars: Clone Wars. New movies. KOTOR was very popular. And I don't think it will be any harder then WOW. Why make assumptions? It's just a guess and it's about all I can do. I like talking about mmorpg's. Discussion cannot hurt, so I don't see what's wrong with it. No harm no foul. 


     

     Taht is right, there are only asumptions to be made... nut there is gameplay released by Bioware... played by them and it didn;t look easy at all... they almost bought it :))... we will see but i think it will be at  least a above average game.... and that is a asumption also... not having any good MMO to play it will do for me. And i totaly agree no harm in ahving a conversation.. i totaly enjoy exchanging ideas... my upset is with the article it's ill intended...

    Yeah I hear you. By all means, I sincerely hope the game is worth playing. 

  • TaishiFoxTaishiFox Member RarePosts: 999

    I personally knew it wasn't gonna be any of that and ya right, alot of people have being ranting on about those said topics whenever SW:TOR is bought up in the forums.  However, I for one am still looking forward to this, as a BioWare and SW:KOTOR fan not as a person who just wants a WoW killer and SWG pre-cu replacer.

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  • McGamerMcGamer Member UncommonPosts: 1,073

    TOR doesn't have to have full space exploration to have decent space content. That is the only part I disagree with the OP on. BW should leave the kiddie-ride spaceflight on a rail content to Clone Wars and give the older audience better space content. 

  • warmaster670warmaster670 Member Posts: 1,384

    Originally posted by Czanrei

    TOR doesn't have to have full space exploration to have decent space content. That is the only part I disagree with the OP on. BW should leave the kiddie-ride spaceflight on a rail content to Clone Wars and give the older audience better space content. 

    ROFL, what makes it so kiddy exactly? and what makes whatever your idea is so adult and mature? you do realise your talking about VIDEOGAMES right?

     

    Its so funny reading all these comments, especially from people that have NEVER touched the game.

     

    Oh sorry, i forgot, kiddy is just another code word for "i dont like it", my bad.

    Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
    Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.

  • KriosisKriosis Member Posts: 345

    Originally posted by warmaster670

    Originally posted by Czanrei

    TOR doesn't have to have full space exploration to have decent space content. That is the only part I disagree with the OP on. BW should leave the kiddie-ride spaceflight on a rail content to Clone Wars and give the older audience better space content. 

    ROFL, what makes it so kiddy exactly? and what makes whatever your idea is so adult and mature? you do realise your talking about VIDEOGAMES right?

    Insecure. About video games. I find it funny myself. This tunnel shooter isn't manly enough I guess.

    "Games currently playing: Second life".

    Nvm.

  • Lathander81Lathander81 Member Posts: 611

    Originally posted by immodium

    Originally posted by WhiteLantern



    And as I've said before: It won't live up to anyone's expectations. Because our expectations are unreasonable.

    Exactly

    I was going to keep reading but this is win....end

  • Rampage9799Rampage9799 Member UncommonPosts: 35

    I could care less what blog writers have to say about this

    I dont care if it isnt a WOW killer

    I dont care if it is a strict storyline MMO

    And i really dont care what other people "think" it should be

    I cant wait for this game to come out ,the 100% voice over quests and Class dynamics alone have peaked my intrest enough that i will pre-order the collectors edition.

    This will be a new phase in MMOs , that part i will garauntee. So if it doesnt make a big splash as WoW did , why should i care? why should anyone care?

    Its time to take this game for what it is and stop trying to make it what YOU want it to be.

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