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If you were hoping SWTOR would being something new....
Gobstopper3D
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Found this article to be interesting. I wasn't interested in the first one and after reading this, I'm certainly not going to bother with it..
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2011-02-10-bioware-warcraft-is-the-touchstone-for-old-republic
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Every game that comes out rather it's a copy of another game or now is still something new. It is not the same game is it? Then it is new.
You're going to have to post the article here. I doubt anyone is going to register to some random site, to read an article one time then never go back. I can only read one sentence.
@Wrender: Your post makes no sense in English.
Blizzard's World of Warcraft is the touchstone on which BioWare measures its forthcoming Star Wars MMO, The Old Republic.
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Here's a small part of it:
"Blizzard’s World of Warcraft is the touchstone on which BioWare measures its forthcoming Star Wars MMO, The Old Republic.
Speaking on the keynote panel today at the DICE Summit in Vegas, BioWare’s Greg Zeschuk said that the company is following the rules established by Blizzard’s subscription fantasy MMO.
“It is a touchstone. It has established standards, it’s established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that’s pretty dumb,” Zeschuk told the audience.""
::groan:: Really? He thinks it is dumb if any game deviates from the WoW model? Oh man I have just lost all hope for SWTOR. He is basically saying it's going to be a WoW clone with a Star Wars skin.
Sw:Tor will however be bringing something good to the table and that's Bioware's immense storytelling power. To say Sw:tor is a clone of anything is at best stupid and narrow minded. Yes it's obviousley going to follow a similar pattern to Wow, as Wow was a very successful game, it is however a bland, broad MMO. It does what it does, it doesn't do anything spectacular any more.
The story telling, the IP and the quality that we expect from a Bioware game will set it apart.
LOL defensive much or just rude in general?
Well I hope my statement proves to be stupid and narrow minded, because I'm real tired of the clones and it would be refreshing to see someone break the mold. However after his statement I have less confidence in that.
The quote sounds like blatant pandering to the WoW crowd and another example of the arrogance I've been sensing from the development team for a while. Anybody who tries to do something different is clearly not right in the head. Quite the statement from a game developer whose stock and trade involves imagination and creativity.
Just another reason for me to steer clear of this title. More of the same served up by assholes. And if all I'm concerned with is great storytelling, I have two bookshelves full of great stories written by people who truly understand their craft.
I saw the same article quoted here, albeit in that link it had more of what had been said.
From a game development perspective makes sense to me. I mean, they managed to pull the MMO genre from geeky niche nerdom into the mainstream and pop culture awareness all by themselves, and they have 10 to 100 times as many subs as their direct competitors, so the Blizzard guys must be doing something right.
It would be foolish not to pay heed what mechanics and design approaches Blizzard used for WoW to achieve that kind of success; which doesn't mean that the BW guys'll be copying everything 1 on 1, but paying attention to the lessons that can be discerned from WoW is certainly not a bad thing.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Its gonna be a EQ2 wow clone with lots of voice acting and good story telling. WoW already has pretty good story telling, well kind of. They know how to keep you hooked at least.
There are a lot of WoW plot twist in WoW, you look at and they are just retarded on paper. But being in them is still fun and keeps you hooked.
Well this WoW clone has the largest following of any upcoming MMO. With over 248k Facebook followers and almost a million accounts on the offical website. Compared to GW2 that has about 157k.
But yeah people just hate WoW type games, thats why they are all playing WoW.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
OK, now I'll say it, definitely going to be a WOW clone with Dragon age style cut scenes for added content.
C'mon SWOTOR apologists, it doesn't get any plainer than that.
Not saying it isn't the smart money way to design things, probably will sell a gazillion copies and please the fans of the IP immensely but does mean that it probably isn't the game that I would have hoped for.
Never thought it would be anything but something that catered to the mass market, just didn't expect to see such public adoration of Blizzard, wonder if he's trying to get a job with them?
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It's a themepark MMO for sure, so people who only like sandbox MMO's or who've grown utterly appalled about themepark MMO's should definitely steer clear of it.
Is TOR a clone? If you want to call all themepark MMO's 'SWTOR clones' then sure, why not, call it a WoW clone.
There's some merit in that argument, since the term 'themepark MMO' became popular with WoW. And after all, TOR'll have a lot in common with other themepark MMO's like WoW, like stylised graphics, trinity inspired combat and a heavy focus on quest leveling.
Is TOR a straight copy of WoW? Not really. There's also quite some differences, for those that care about such features to acknowledge them. A different crafting system with offline crafting/gathering, crew missions and a companion team that crafts and gathers while you do other stuff. Companions that are integrated into the crafting gameplay, the quests and the combat. The cover system. A different questing approach than WoW and other MMO's with VO, cutscenes and choices that matter.
It's like I said in another thread about new MMORPG's, it's all about where you lay your focus, whether you only pay attention to the similarities or the differences in features of a new MMO compared to former MMO's as WoW.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Warhammer was a "WoW-clone" and it was praised by gaming websites. Hell it was also unfinished.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
What WoW clone? do your research before talking. Bioware is improving systems and features and adding their own flavour to it.
The combat feels different, because they added several elements like physics, real-time melee combat and improved the speed of combat, its fast paced.
The crafting system is 3000 times better than any other themeparked MMO outthere, is kind of a mix of SWG and EVE online.
The questing system is brand new with voice overs and cutscenes.
And i could go on forever. I really hate when people say "wow-clone" without even know what their saying. This game will have their own player base with fans from bioware, star wars and some from other MMO's and if it's really good overall it may be the next big hit. But no it won't kill WoW when releases.
lame threads are lame.
WoW clone with a SW skin means millions will purchase, subscribe and enjoy the game.
Sorry to you little "indie" gamers out there who are looking for something totally different that hasn't been seen yet.
Its hilarious how the majority of the haters make suggestions like, "this game should be more like X, or more like Y". yet they bash this game because one of the dev's said they were using WoW as a "touchstone". From a business standpoint in terms of risk, why would you not at least loosely follow the format of the most succesful MMO ever?
Well, I guess we'll see when they make the game publically available so we can all experience these features the game is claimed to have. (and how different they really feel in their implementation)
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I wouldn't say that he is saying that any mmo coming out needs to be a wow clone but the need to learn from wow's success and failures. Any company out to make money will seldomly come up with a 100% original idea. So for Bioware to say that they are using wow as a model for swotor doesnt surprise me at all and I frankly am quite reasured by what they have said. It lets me know that Bioware is serious about putting out a game that they want the massesd to enjoy and find it slightly familiar to play.Why reinvent the wheel if you dont have to. saying swotor isa wow clone is like stating that all cars are model -T clones, technicaly they are but in the end the model T and any car on the road today aren't the same in functionality.
God this is getting so silly not every bloody game that comes out is NOT a WoW clone or even trying to be. I played SWTOR @ E3 and its nothing like WoW.
ATM its a total peice of crap that is going to upset lots of people that are going so crazy over it, but its nothing like WoW.
Devs at E3 made some huge promises of what they were going to do to the game before release so we will see if they manage to pull it off or continue to just yank out the peices of the game that dont work like they have been doing.
Anything can mean anything when you read what you want into it. Then again, maybe we read different articles...
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WoW deserves respect for what it's accomplished, but it doesn't deserve to be brown-nosed. BioWare is brown-nosing, and it's rather pathetic. I expect much, much more from a development house with BW's pedigree, than calling everything that deviates from the WoW standard, dumb. I expect them to be capable of defining a new standard and hopefully setting the bar higher. But it seems that they're perfectly happy to have the 'rules of MMOs' handed to them instead of leading the way for others.
Baldur's Gate has disappeared BioWare's rear view mirror -- they're abilty to innovate seems soon to follow. They've released *nothing* related to SWTOR that looks remotely new and different. Just more retreaded gameplay with different artwork. The fact the game will act as an opiate for the masses doesn't necessarily denote quality. Catering to the lowest common denominator also has that effect. You may call that caviar, but I call it fish eggs.
I think people are trying to say that they believe this game will be substantively like WoW in its design. With perhaps a few sprinkles added on top.
And owing to what I just read above. And having just recently read from Gamespot - something of an industry whoresite - that the game played like "WoW with lightsabers", I think maybe it's you who should do some reading.
But we will see...
So what constitutes a non-wow clone? We have a consensus on eve, any others? If pre-nge SWG released today, just another wow clone with a twist on skills and crafting, which no-one wants, nerf the degredation. What constitutes a 'new' mmo, so stupid, what a pointless artical.
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Non-wow clone= A game without RNG-based combat, without every projectile acting like a homing missile, with active dodging and blocking. Crafting that doesn't require you to grind or requires you to purchase a new "rank" from a crafting trainer. A game without trinity-based combat, and without the dominance of gear over skill. A game without talent trees, and without the infinite skillbars. And finally a game that doesn't primarily have kill-x and collect-y quests.
EVERYONE thinks that ALL MMOs are WoW copies. Star Wars - TOR is based off the single player "Star Wars - Knights of The old Republic" RPGs. When TOR (MMO) was first announced it was said that it will assume the a hybrid role of SWG and KOToR. Not everyone is aware that SWG launched BEFORE WoW, and so did KOToR. Only noobs say how much better wow is and that TOR is a clone.
I'm assuming you didn't read the quote from the article earlier in the post.
Was going to try it even though game play looked "familiar"..... Not anymore. I'm going to pass on this one.
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