Frankly from a pure business perspective, what bioware said makes sense. Whether we like wow or not, its a money maker. Why shouldnt bioware follow that scheme? With that said, I surely hope bioware makes some intterations on that model, which would appeal to the niche gammer in us.
Have you played SWTOR? If not i suggest troll elsewhere, I am fed up with posters and OP that post stuff without trying it. This feels alot like the people saying the earth was flat.
All i ever hear being mentioned about this game is the story the story the story, every game has a story now what about the other features of this "mmorpg". I'm not going to buy a game just because it has voice overs.
Try playing the SP KOTOR games -
I bought DA:O and the most annoying thing in it (besides rogues just being warriors who wear lighter armor) is that I spend almost as much time watching it as I do playing it. Cutscenes are all well and good but Bioware takes them a little too far. I want to play the game, not watch it.
I like it. I am lazy and would much rather have someone read me the quest than have to read the small text myself.
If your really that lazy then I suggest you should watch a movie. Really, they're amazing, no quest text, you don't even have to control the characters. /End sarcasm.
I'm pretty sure most people don't play games to read quest text OR watch cutscenes. Games are for playing, not watching nor reading. You might like that but I'm sure plenty of other people would rather just play the game.
You are playing the wrong genre sir. Movies are not interactive in any way shape or form. I play games because I want the interaction that they bring. I love movies but I have never seen one come with a controller.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
So what constitutes a non-wow clone? We have a consensus on eve, any others? If pre-nge SWG released today, just another wow clone with a twist on skills and crafting, which no-one wants, nerf the degredation. What constitutes a 'new' mmo, so stupid, what a pointless artical.
Got a map? WoW clone. Got a skillbar? WoW clone. Got a 3D world? WoW clone. See the pattern?
Most people will only compare something to what they already know. Unfortunately, all most MMO players know now is World of Warcraft and it makes for a sad statement. I know a few people that play World of Warcraft and when they are introduced to another game they always bring up the WoW clone bit. When asked what makes it a WoW clone they almost always say “Well, it plays just like WoW.” The answer is always just as hollow as their accusations.
All FPS games play like every other FPS game out there but we don’t hear “It’s a (insert name here) clone!” It really does get old after a while and what makes it even worse is most if not all posting in this topic have never played the game in question just basing it off how the game looks.
Good point! The FPS genre is suffering from the same thing! Maybe they should try to innovate as well!
/End sarcasm.
I'm really sick of this stupidn "every FPS is just a clone of other FPS's so there is nothing wrong with every MMO being a clone of WoW" argument. It just doesn't work.
An FPS is defined by its combat. There is only ONE 1 requirement for a game to be termed and FPS and that is first person shooting.
F-first
P-person
S-shooter
An MMO is NOT defined by its combat like an FPS is. Nor is it defined by anything other than being an online world where massive amounts of people can play together.
M-massively
M-multiplayer
O-online
Nowhere in the acronym MMO does it say "tab targeting" or "non-tab targeting" or "lots of skillbars".
You cannot keep using that stupid argument because there are too many differences in what defines and MMO and what defines an FPS.
1. If we go to the basics, no game actually can be a WoW clone since WoW didnt have any original ideas it self. None. You cannot clone that which does not exist.
2. If it has blasters, light-sabers and light / dark biased factions, it is not a WoW clone. WoW is a high fantasy with 2 "good factions", TOR is scifi with basically "light side vs. dark side".
3. Gameplay does not make a clone, unless the content is very similar, crafting, quest structure, end game and overall feeling of the game and it's world. WoW clones tend to clone the feel of the world, crafting, end game, everything. (FPS and many RTS games are a perfect example of similar or even to the point same gameplay of some other of it's genre, but still being a comlpetely different game with just having that great gameplay).
I'm also under the impression TOR will not have autoattack, hurray for that if it's true.
All i ever hear being mentioned about this game is the story the story the story, every game has a story now what about the other features of this "mmorpg". I'm not going to buy a game just because it has voice overs.
Try playing the SP KOTOR games -
I bought DA:O and the most annoying thing in it (besides rogues just being warriors who wear lighter armor) is that I spend almost as much time watching it as I do playing it. Cutscenes are all well and good but Bioware takes them a little too far. I want to play the game, not watch it.
I like it. I am lazy and would much rather have someone read me the quest than have to read the small text myself.
If your really that lazy then I suggest you should watch a movie. Really, they're amazing, no quest text, you don't even have to control the characters. /End sarcasm.
I'm pretty sure most people don't play games to read quest text OR watch cutscenes. Games are for playing, not watching nor reading. You might like that but I'm sure plenty of other people would rather just play the game.
You are playing the wrong genre sir. Movies are not interactive in any way shape or form. I play games because I want the interaction that they bring. I love movies but I have never seen one come with a controller.
I love movies too, I have also never seen one come with a controller either. I also play game because I want to the interaction that they bring, but I also don't want to spend half of my time in-game to be watching some pre-scripted mini-movie. You don't interact with cutscenes very much if at all so I don't understand what you are trying to say when you told me you play games for interaction but want games that have a large amount of non-interactive downtime in them.
All i ever hear being mentioned about this game is the story the story the story, every game has a story now what about the other features of this "mmorpg". I'm not going to buy a game just because it has voice overs.
Try playing the SP KOTOR games -
I bought DA:O and the most annoying thing in it (besides rogues just being warriors who wear lighter armor) is that I spend almost as much time watching it as I do playing it. Cutscenes are all well and good but Bioware takes them a little too far. I want to play the game, not watch it.
I like it. I am lazy and would much rather have someone read me the quest than have to read the small text myself.
If your really that lazy then I suggest you should watch a movie. Really, they're amazing, no quest text, you don't even have to control the characters. /End sarcasm.
I'm pretty sure most people don't play games to read quest text OR watch cutscenes. Games are for playing, not watching nor reading. You might like that but I'm sure plenty of other people would rather just play the game.
You are playing the wrong genre sir. Movies are not interactive in any way shape or form. I play games because I want the interaction that they bring. I love movies but I have never seen one come with a controller.
I love movies too, I have also never seen one come with a controller either. I also play game because I want to the interaction that they bring, but I also don't want to spend half of my time in-game to be watching some pre-scripted mini-movie. You don't interact with cutscenes very much if at all so I don't understand what you are trying to say when you told me you play games for interaction but want games that have a large amount of non-interactive downtime in them.
I am pretty sure both Mass Effect and Dragon Age allowed you to skip the conversation by pressing the spacebar. This would be no different than skipping the quest text in other MMOs. We will have to wait and see if SWTOR offers the same option.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
well at 1st i was turn off by the graphic and decided not to get tor
then in tor forum, they show me how beautiful the world can be and since i'm on the fence with the mission dialog vo and option, i decided "what the heck i'll just order it when it come out and judge for myself"
but this comment on cloning wow just turn me back 180 degree
I love how many people knee jerk reaction to this. As if WoW isn't a good game whether you like it or not. Call of Duty is a great and popular game but not EVERYONE likes it, yet it is the basis other FPS game will copy at's it's basic level because it's smart. Same goes for the best game in any genre.
I sure hope EVERY MMORPG to come out in the future, sandboxes included to be modeled after WoW. And that means, not the content but the accessability, polish and pure FUN that WoW brought to the table and that helped build this genre to the heights we now stand. Innovation itself will come in the form of new content and game mechanics while being built on a solid WoW like foundation.
All i ever hear being mentioned about this game is the story the story the story, every game has a story now what about the other features of this "mmorpg". I'm not going to buy a game just because it has voice overs.
Try playing the SP KOTOR games -
I bought DA:O and the most annoying thing in it (besides rogues just being warriors who wear lighter armor) is that I spend almost as much time watching it as I do playing it. Cutscenes are all well and good but Bioware takes them a little too far. I want to play the game, not watch it.
I like it. I am lazy and would much rather have someone read me the quest than have to read the small text myself.
If your really that lazy then I suggest you should watch a movie. Really, they're amazing, no quest text, you don't even have to control the characters. /End sarcasm.
I'm pretty sure most people don't play games to read quest text OR watch cutscenes. Games are for playing, not watching nor reading. You might like that but I'm sure plenty of other people would rather just play the game.
You are playing the wrong genre sir. Movies are not interactive in any way shape or form. I play games because I want the interaction that they bring. I love movies but I have never seen one come with a controller.
I love movies too, I have also never seen one come with a controller either. I also play game because I want to the interaction that they bring, but I also don't want to spend half of my time in-game to be watching some pre-scripted mini-movie. You don't interact with cutscenes very much if at all so I don't understand what you are trying to say when you told me you play games for interaction but want games that have a large amount of non-interactive downtime in them.
I am pretty sure both Mass Effect and Dragon Age allowed you to skip the conversation by pressing the spacebar. This would be no different than skipping the quest text in other MMOs. We will have to wait and see if SWTOR offers the same option.
Skipping the cutscene would defeat the entire purpose of putting it into the game in the first place. And with Bioware making conversation driven cutscenes you can't really skip them can you? Like I said before, cutscenes in and of themselves aren't bad, but putting hours upon hours into a game replaces those hours upon hours that you could just be playing.
well at 1st i was turn off by the graphic and decided not to get tor
then in tor forum, they show me how beautiful the world can be and since i'm on the fence with the mission dialog vo and option, i decided "what the heck i'll just order it when it come out and judge for myself"
but this comment on cloning wow just turn me back 180 degree
Jesus, were did he said they are going to clone WoW? man after this comment i think i just lost my faith in the human race.
So what constitutes a non-wow clone? We have a consensus on eve, any others? If pre-nge SWG released today, just another wow clone with a twist on skills and crafting, which no-one wants, nerf the degredation. What constitutes a 'new' mmo, so stupid, what a pointless artical.
Got a map? WoW clone. Got a skillbar? WoW clone. Got a 3D world? WoW clone. See the pattern?
Most people will only compare something to what they already know. Unfortunately, all most MMO players know now is World of Warcraft and it makes for a sad statement. I know a few people that play World of Warcraft and when they are introduced to another game they always bring up the WoW clone bit. When asked what makes it a WoW clone they almost always say “Well, it plays just like WoW.” The answer is always just as hollow as their accusations.
All FPS games play like every other FPS game out there but we don’t hear “It’s a (insert name here) clone!” It really does get old after a while and what makes it even worse is most if not all posting in this topic have never played the game in question just basing it off how the game looks.
Good point! The FPS genre is suffering from the same thing! Maybe they should try to innovate as well!
/End sarcasm.
I'm really sick of this stupidn "every FPS is just a clone of other FPS's so there is nothing wrong with every MMO being a clone of WoW" argument. It just doesn't work.
An FPS is defined by its combat. There is only ONE 1 requirement for a game to be termed and FPS and that is first person shooting.
F-first
P-person
S-shooter
An MMO is NOT defined by its combat like an FPS is. Nor is it defined by anything other than being an online world where massive amounts of people can play together.
M-massively
M-multiplayer
O-online
Nowhere in the acronym MMO does it say "tab targeting" or "non-tab targeting" or "lots of skillbars".
You cannot keep using that stupid argument because there are too many differences in what defines and MMO and what defines an FPS.
Not really, clost but no cigar. Killzone 3 isn't an MMO. Besides http://www.firefallthegame.com/ it seems red5 are already on top of things. Also you can't really call Firefall a clone of WoW now can you? From what little we have seen it would be better termed a Borderlands or Planetside clone, but then again even those wouldn't be very accurate.
well at 1st i was turn off by the graphic and decided not to get tor
then in tor forum, they show me how beautiful the world can be and since i'm on the fence with the mission dialog vo and option, i decided "what the heck i'll just order it when it come out and judge for myself"
but this comment on cloning wow just turn me back 180 degree
Jesus, were did he said they are going to clone WoW? man after this comment i think i just lost my faith in the human race.
“It is a touchstone. It has established standards, it’s established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that’s pretty dumb,” Zeschuk told the audience.""
He first said they were going to be using it as a touchstone (nothing inherently wrong with doing that) but then he said that it is pretty much a stupid move to deviate from what WoW did (a pretty dumb thing to say IMO).
Calling SWTOR a simple WOW clone is way of the target i feel. The Storytelling, the Crafting, the Companions set it already apart!
If they speak of accesability this is good bcs it let people slip into the game with no entry barrier. As long i dont need UI add-ons of questionable security for playing this game - and i will do it for sure to judge myself - i am happy with it.
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
All i ever hear being mentioned about this game is the story the story the story, every game has a story now what about the other features of this "mmorpg". I'm not going to buy a game just because it has voice overs.
Try playing the SP KOTOR games -
I bought DA:O and the most annoying thing in it (besides rogues just being warriors who wear lighter armor) is that I spend almost as much time watching it as I do playing it. Cutscenes are all well and good but Bioware takes them a little too far. I want to play the game, not watch it.
I like it. I am lazy and would much rather have someone read me the quest than have to read the small text myself.
If your really that lazy then I suggest you should watch a movie. Really, they're amazing, no quest text, you don't even have to control the characters. /End sarcasm.
I'm pretty sure most people don't play games to read quest text OR watch cutscenes. Games are for playing, not watching nor reading. You might like that but I'm sure plenty of other people would rather just play the game.
You are playing the wrong genre sir. Movies are not interactive in any way shape or form. I play games because I want the interaction that they bring. I love movies but I have never seen one come with a controller.
I love movies too, I have also never seen one come with a controller either. I also play game because I want to the interaction that they bring, but I also don't want to spend half of my time in-game to be watching some pre-scripted mini-movie. You don't interact with cutscenes very much if at all so I don't understand what you are trying to say when you told me you play games for interaction but want games that have a large amount of non-interactive downtime in them.
I am pretty sure both Mass Effect and Dragon Age allowed you to skip the conversation by pressing the spacebar. This would be no different than skipping the quest text in other MMOs. We will have to wait and see if SWTOR offers the same option.
Skipping the cutscene would defeat the entire purpose of putting it into the game in the first place. And with Bioware making conversation driven cutscenes you can't really skip them can you? Like I said before, cutscenes in and of themselves aren't bad, but putting hours upon hours into a game replaces those hours upon hours that you could just be playing.
A few things:
- You can skip cutscenes and you have a mission log...
- You cannot skip cutscenes in a group, unless all of them skip it.
- Just an example, in 4 hours of game you get 15 minutes of dialogue, it's little imo. The cutscenes in SWTOR are not like the ones from mass effect, KOTOR or DA... they are shorted because it they would be the same size, they would start to feel grindy.
- You are progressing your character while enjoying a story... not just click, click accept, complete. Weres the fun in that? weres the entertainment? zero... that is what WoW lacks for a long time now (imo).
well at 1st i was turn off by the graphic and decided not to get tor
then in tor forum, they show me how beautiful the world can be and since i'm on the fence with the mission dialog vo and option, i decided "what the heck i'll just order it when it come out and judge for myself"
but this comment on cloning wow just turn me back 180 degree
Honestly what did you expect SWTOR, or any MMORPG for that matter, to do that would be so vastly different from WoW?
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
well at 1st i was turn off by the graphic and decided not to get tor
then in tor forum, they show me how beautiful the world can be and since i'm on the fence with the mission dialog vo and option, i decided "what the heck i'll just order it when it come out and judge for myself"
but this comment on cloning wow just turn me back 180 degree
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I think that would be better directed at Bioware or the guy who decided to say not trying to be different than WoW is stupid.
well at 1st i was turn off by the graphic and decided not to get tor
then in tor forum, they show me how beautiful the world can be and since i'm on the fence with the mission dialog vo and option, i decided "what the heck i'll just order it when it come out and judge for myself"
but this comment on cloning wow just turn me back 180 degree
Jesus, were did he said they are going to clone WoW? man after this comment i think i just lost my faith in the human race.
“It is a touchstone. It has established standards, it’s established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that’s pretty dumb,” Zeschuk told the audience.""
He first said they were going to be using it as a touchstone (nothing inherently wrong with doing that) but then he said that it is pretty much a stupid move to deviate from what WoW did (a pretty dumb thing to say IMO).
Yes, still don't see were they say they are cloning WoW?! What he's basically saying is:
WoW is the standard, which is true because it's the best MMO in the market, you can't deny it. You may not like it, but a product that have 12 million playing isn't a bad game.
And he also says "every mmo that comes out, i play it and look at it and if they break the rules thats pretty dumb". The rules hes talking about is the overall quality of the game, the art style is good, the social aspects of the game are good enough, the combat is good, etc etc. He's not saying "WERE GOING TO MAKE SWTOR A CLONE".
"“It is a touchstone. It has established standards, it’s established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that’s pretty dumb,” Zeschuk told the audience."
...and people trip over themselves to justify it, it's a pretty clear indication of why the MMO industry has been so devoid of innovation in recent years. This kind of narrowminded, arrogant spew is simply indefensible. You can drone on about UI, game mechanics, storytelling, visual style, blah, blah, blah, ad infinatum. But when a designer claims that an existing paradigm is the *only* possible way of doing things, he deserves a heaping pile criticism.
Clue for the clueless -- WoW established how you play THEIR MMO, not all MMOs -- unless you happen to be the donkey who made this asinine claim. Have we, the MMO playing community, learned so little that statements like this are permitted to stand, and even be defended? Evidently yes.
well at 1st i was turn off by the graphic and decided not to get tor
then in tor forum, they show me how beautiful the world can be and since i'm on the fence with the mission dialog vo and option, i decided "what the heck i'll just order it when it come out and judge for myself"
but this comment on cloning wow just turn me back 180 degree
Jesus, were did he said they are going to clone WoW? man after this comment i think i just lost my faith in the human race.
“It is a touchstone. It has established standards, it’s established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that’s pretty dumb,” Zeschuk told the audience.""
He first said they were going to be using it as a touchstone (nothing inherently wrong with doing that) but then he said that it is pretty much a stupid move to deviate from what WoW did (a pretty dumb thing to say IMO).
Yes, still don't see were they say they are cloning WoW?! What he's basically saying is:
WoW is the standard, which is true because it's the best MMO in the market, you can't deny it. You may not like it, but a product that have 12 million playing isn't a bad game.
And he also says "every mmo that comes out, i play it and look at it and if they break the rules thats pretty dumb". The rules hes talking about is the overall quality of the game, the art style is good, the social aspects of the game are good enough, the combat is good, etc etc. He's not saying "WERE GOING TO MAKE SWTOR A CLONE".
I dunno.... I've played a lot of asian mmos that have more subs than WoW and they were pretty terrible. Don't get me wrong I liked WoW but got tired of it. just pointing out a flaw in your thinking.
well at 1st i was turn off by the graphic and decided not to get tor
then in tor forum, they show me how beautiful the world can be and since i'm on the fence with the mission dialog vo and option, i decided "what the heck i'll just order it when it come out and judge for myself"
but this comment on cloning wow just turn me back 180 degree
Jesus, were did he said they are going to clone WoW? man after this comment i think i just lost my faith in the human race.
“It is a touchstone. It has established standards, it’s established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that’s pretty dumb,” Zeschuk told the audience.""
He first said they were going to be using it as a touchstone (nothing inherently wrong with doing that) but then he said that it is pretty much a stupid move to deviate from what WoW did (a pretty dumb thing to say IMO).
Yes, still don't see were they say they are cloning WoW?! What he's basically saying is:
WoW is the standard, which is true because it's the best MMO in the market, you can't deny it. You may not like it, but a product that have 12 million playing isn't a bad game.
And he also says "every mmo that comes out, i play it and look at it and if they break the rules thats pretty dumb". The rules hes talking about is the overall quality of the game, the art style is good, the social aspects of the game are good enough, the combat is good, etc etc. He's not saying "WERE GOING TO MAKE SWTOR A CLONE".
I dunno.... I've played a lot of asian mmos that have more subs than WoW and they were pretty terrible. Don't get me wrong I liked WoW but got tired of it. just pointing out a flaw in your thinking.
Are you asian? cause those games are designed for asian people, who just want go grind and that is one of the reasons they love WoW. That is why they are trying to westernize the korean MMO TERA... because the korean version is all about grind.
well at 1st i was turn off by the graphic and decided not to get tor
then in tor forum, they show me how beautiful the world can be and since i'm on the fence with the mission dialog vo and option, i decided "what the heck i'll just order it when it come out and judge for myself"
but this comment on cloning wow just turn me back 180 degree
Jesus, were did he said they are going to clone WoW? man after this comment i think i just lost my faith in the human race.
“It is a touchstone. It has established standards, it’s established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that’s pretty dumb,” Zeschuk told the audience.""
He first said they were going to be using it as a touchstone (nothing inherently wrong with doing that) but then he said that it is pretty much a stupid move to deviate from what WoW did (a pretty dumb thing to say IMO).
Yes, still don't see were they say they are cloning WoW?! What he's basically saying is:
WoW is the standard, which is true because it's the best MMO in the market, you can't deny it. You may not like it, but a product that have 12 million playing isn't a bad game.
And he also says "every mmo that comes out, i play it and look at it and if they break the rules thats pretty dumb". The rules hes talking about is the overall quality of the game, the art style is good, the social aspects of the game are good enough, the combat is good, etc etc. He's not saying "WERE GOING TO MAKE SWTOR A CLONE".
I dunno.... I've played a lot of asian mmos that have more subs than WoW and they were pretty terrible. Don't get me wrong I liked WoW but got tired of it. just pointing out a flaw in your thinking.
Are you asian? cause those games are designed for asian people, who just want go grind and that is one of the reasons they love WoW. That is why they are trying to westernize the korean MMO TERA... because the korean version is all about grind.
well at 1st i was turn off by the graphic and decided not to get tor
then in tor forum, they show me how beautiful the world can be and since i'm on the fence with the mission dialog vo and option, i decided "what the heck i'll just order it when it come out and judge for myself"
but this comment on cloning wow just turn me back 180 degree
Jesus, were did he said they are going to clone WoW? man after this comment i think i just lost my faith in the human race.
“It is a touchstone. It has established standards, it’s established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that’s pretty dumb,” Zeschuk told the audience.""
He first said they were going to be using it as a touchstone (nothing inherently wrong with doing that) but then he said that it is pretty much a stupid move to deviate from what WoW did (a pretty dumb thing to say IMO).
Yes, still don't see were they say they are cloning WoW?! What he's basically saying is:
WoW is the standard, which is true because it's the best MMO in the market, you can't deny it. You may not like it, but a product that have 12 million playing isn't a bad game.
And he also says "every mmo that comes out, i play it and look at it and if they break the rules thats pretty dumb". The rules hes talking about is the overall quality of the game, the art style is good, the social aspects of the game are good enough, the combat is good, etc etc. He's not saying "WERE GOING TO MAKE SWTOR A CLONE".
Actually, you don't know with certainty what the hell he's talking about. And postulating that "MMO rules" pertain to making sure that it fulfills some of the most fundemental basics of any game ever created, is really making a stretch to support your point. It's like grilling a steak and having a "rule" that it's edible. Or building a house and having a "rule" that the roof shouldn't leak.
Good overall quality? Good art style? Really? For anyone else, these aren't rules, they are fundamentals. Rules govern how you go about reaching those basic objectives.
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Frankly from a pure business perspective, what bioware said makes sense. Whether we like wow or not, its a money maker. Why shouldnt bioware follow that scheme? With that said, I surely hope bioware makes some intterations on that model, which would appeal to the niche gammer in us.
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Have you played SWTOR? If not i suggest troll elsewhere, I am fed up with posters and OP that post stuff without trying it. This feels alot like the people saying the earth was flat.
You are playing the wrong genre sir. Movies are not interactive in any way shape or form. I play games because I want the interaction that they bring. I love movies but I have never seen one come with a controller.
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1. If we go to the basics, no game actually can be a WoW clone since WoW didnt have any original ideas it self. None. You cannot clone that which does not exist.
2. If it has blasters, light-sabers and light / dark biased factions, it is not a WoW clone. WoW is a high fantasy with 2 "good factions", TOR is scifi with basically "light side vs. dark side".
3. Gameplay does not make a clone, unless the content is very similar, crafting, quest structure, end game and overall feeling of the game and it's world. WoW clones tend to clone the feel of the world, crafting, end game, everything. (FPS and many RTS games are a perfect example of similar or even to the point same gameplay of some other of it's genre, but still being a comlpetely different game with just having that great gameplay).
I'm also under the impression TOR will not have autoattack, hurray for that if it's true.
I love movies too, I have also never seen one come with a controller either. I also play game because I want to the interaction that they bring, but I also don't want to spend half of my time in-game to be watching some pre-scripted mini-movie. You don't interact with cutscenes very much if at all so I don't understand what you are trying to say when you told me you play games for interaction but want games that have a large amount of non-interactive downtime in them.
I am pretty sure both Mass Effect and Dragon Age allowed you to skip the conversation by pressing the spacebar. This would be no different than skipping the quest text in other MMOs. We will have to wait and see if SWTOR offers the same option.
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well at 1st i was turn off by the graphic and decided not to get tor
then in tor forum, they show me how beautiful the world can be and since i'm on the fence with the mission dialog vo and option, i decided "what the heck i'll just order it when it come out and judge for myself"
but this comment on cloning wow just turn me back 180 degree
I love how many people knee jerk reaction to this. As if WoW isn't a good game whether you like it or not. Call of Duty is a great and popular game but not EVERYONE likes it, yet it is the basis other FPS game will copy at's it's basic level because it's smart. Same goes for the best game in any genre.
I sure hope EVERY MMORPG to come out in the future, sandboxes included to be modeled after WoW. And that means, not the content but the accessability, polish and pure FUN that WoW brought to the table and that helped build this genre to the heights we now stand. Innovation itself will come in the form of new content and game mechanics while being built on a solid WoW like foundation.
Skipping the cutscene would defeat the entire purpose of putting it into the game in the first place. And with Bioware making conversation driven cutscenes you can't really skip them can you? Like I said before, cutscenes in and of themselves aren't bad, but putting hours upon hours into a game replaces those hours upon hours that you could just be playing.
Jesus, were did he said they are going to clone WoW? man after this comment i think i just lost my faith in the human race.
Not really, clost but no cigar. Killzone 3 isn't an MMO. Besides http://www.firefallthegame.com/ it seems red5 are already on top of things. Also you can't really call Firefall a clone of WoW now can you? From what little we have seen it would be better termed a Borderlands or Planetside clone, but then again even those wouldn't be very accurate.
“It is a touchstone. It has established standards, it’s established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that’s pretty dumb,” Zeschuk told the audience.""
He first said they were going to be using it as a touchstone (nothing inherently wrong with doing that) but then he said that it is pretty much a stupid move to deviate from what WoW did (a pretty dumb thing to say IMO).
Calling SWTOR a simple WOW clone is way of the target i feel.
The Storytelling, the Crafting, the Companions set it already apart!
If they speak of accesability this is good bcs it let people slip into the game with no entry barrier.
As long i dont need UI add-ons of questionable security for playing this game - and i will do it for sure to judge myself - i am happy with it.
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
MWO Music Video - What does the Mech say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6HYNqCDLI
Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0x2iwK0BKM
A few things:
- You can skip cutscenes and you have a mission log...
- You cannot skip cutscenes in a group, unless all of them skip it.
- Just an example, in 4 hours of game you get 15 minutes of dialogue, it's little imo. The cutscenes in SWTOR are not like the ones from mass effect, KOTOR or DA... they are shorted because it they would be the same size, they would start to feel grindy.
- You are progressing your character while enjoying a story... not just click, click accept, complete. Weres the fun in that? weres the entertainment? zero... that is what WoW lacks for a long time now (imo).
Honestly what did you expect SWTOR, or any MMORPG for that matter, to do that would be so vastly different from WoW?
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I think that would be better directed at Bioware or the guy who decided to say not trying to be different than WoW is stupid.
Yes, still don't see were they say they are cloning WoW?! What he's basically saying is:
WoW is the standard, which is true because it's the best MMO in the market, you can't deny it. You may not like it, but a product that have 12 million playing isn't a bad game.
And he also says "every mmo that comes out, i play it and look at it and if they break the rules thats pretty dumb". The rules hes talking about is the overall quality of the game, the art style is good, the social aspects of the game are good enough, the combat is good, etc etc. He's not saying "WERE GOING TO MAKE SWTOR A CLONE".
When a GAME DEVELOPER spouts nonsense like this:
"“It is a touchstone. It has established standards, it’s established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that’s pretty dumb,” Zeschuk told the audience."
...and people trip over themselves to justify it, it's a pretty clear indication of why the MMO industry has been so devoid of innovation in recent years. This kind of narrowminded, arrogant spew is simply indefensible. You can drone on about UI, game mechanics, storytelling, visual style, blah, blah, blah, ad infinatum. But when a designer claims that an existing paradigm is the *only* possible way of doing things, he deserves a heaping pile criticism.
Clue for the clueless -- WoW established how you play THEIR MMO, not all MMOs -- unless you happen to be the donkey who made this asinine claim. Have we, the MMO playing community, learned so little that statements like this are permitted to stand, and even be defended? Evidently yes.
I dunno.... I've played a lot of asian mmos that have more subs than WoW and they were pretty terrible. Don't get me wrong I liked WoW but got tired of it. just pointing out a flaw in your thinking.
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Are you asian? cause those games are designed for asian people, who just want go grind and that is one of the reasons they love WoW. That is why they are trying to westernize the korean MMO TERA... because the korean version is all about grind.
It wasn't even the grind. That I can deal with.
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Actually, you don't know with certainty what the hell he's talking about. And postulating that "MMO rules" pertain to making sure that it fulfills some of the most fundemental basics of any game ever created, is really making a stretch to support your point. It's like grilling a steak and having a "rule" that it's edible. Or building a house and having a "rule" that the roof shouldn't leak.
Good overall quality? Good art style? Really? For anyone else, these aren't rules, they are fundamentals. Rules govern how you go about reaching those basic objectives.