I'm looking at things from a narrow angle? Honestly how is an LFG tool or dungeon que line any different than what is going on now? People stand in sanctum or meridian and spam chat. All you will be doing is making them press a button instead of spam chat.
There are two partys involved - one that invites to a group and one that wants to be invited. You replace the one who is inviting with an algorithm. With all benefits (groups for those who cannot even spell lfg correctly) and downsides (groups for those who cannot even spell lfg correctly). But it is for sure not the same!
Yes your right it makes it easier to find a group. Oh no the sky is falling! Baddies will still be bad and if they are GLF and can't spell LFG I'm sure they will end up on ignore lists and get kicked. This is of course so vastly different than inviting the first person who sends you a tell that they will join because an LFG tool works just as well to eliminate the need to type CC group just needs heals or tank then good to go. So yes it helps both people looking to join groups and groups who only need 1-2 more people. Of course for all you immersion breakers you can still make groups by typing in chat. I really don't see how this makes any difference other than making it easier to join and make groups.
Might as well quit now since they will be adding a tool to make forming groups easy and you won't have to type in chat. DURR DERP DERP DURR.
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"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Yes your right it makes it easier to find a group. Oh no the sky is falling! Baddies will still be bad and if they are GLF and can't spell LFG I'm sure they will end up on ignore lists and get kicked. This is of course so vastly different than inviting the first person who sends you a tell that they will join because an LFG tool works just as well to eliminate the need to type CC group just needs heals or tank then good to go. So yes it helps both people looking to join groups and groups who only need 1-2 more people. Of course for all you immersion breakers you can still make groups by typing in chat. I really don't see how this makes any difference other than making it easier to join and make groups.
Might as well quit now since they will be adding a tool to make forming groups easy and you won't have to type in chat. DURR DERP DERP DURR.
I would not quit just because I do not like this tool. Though it has many downsides, if the rest of the game would just be great, I would stay in Rift.
To point it out again, in case you missed the last 15 pages, nobody here is against a lfg tool. Some people just don't like the dungeon queue. Me included.
Yes your right it makes it easier to find a group. Oh no the sky is falling! Baddies will still be bad and if they are GLF and can't spell LFG I'm sure they will end up on ignore lists and get kicked. This is of course so vastly different than inviting the first person who sends you a tell that they will join because an LFG tool works just as well to eliminate the need to type CC group just needs heals or tank then good to go. So yes it helps both people looking to join groups and groups who only need 1-2 more people. Of course for all you immersion breakers you can still make groups by typing in chat. I really don't see how this makes any difference other than making it easier to join and make groups.
Might as well quit now since they will be adding a tool to make forming groups easy and you won't have to type in chat. DURR DERP DERP DURR.
I'm already playing FFXIV...I don't expect SE to ruin a final fantasy world with a dungeon queue.
Hahahahaha......as if they can ruin it more.
Lol have you even played it? Logged in lately? Many many more people around in the world than in RIFT or WoW.
Played back at launch for awhile... Or tried to. FF 14 should never have been released in that state. Say what you wish about Rift, its launch went off nearly flawlessly, and quite well polished, and I still enjoy it. I wish I'd had a LFG system back at Rift launch. I currently have a level 50 warrior, and a level 40 rogue. Unless I want to start all over again, I'm not likely to see most of the dungeons at this point.
Well all major directors of a genre add things that are implimented into future works within that genre. WOW is the most successful mmo of all time. It is only normal for things they added to their game will be added to most future mmos following it. Just the way it is. That will never change.
Hmm. Do you know DarkOrbi? It's "only" a browser game, but has 50 million players (with cash shop, I think). There are also asian games, that beat wow easily. WoW is the most successful sub-based western mmorpg on windows - there is a big difference
Interesting to read that some fans of the dungeon finder do not even know what is meant by community. Maybe you should question yourself what you missed.
Also this tool is not to be used voluntarily. If everybody is using it, you have to use it, too. Additionally Trion added some rewards for using the tool (no joke, you get these plaques you need to buy armor as a reward for just using the tool).
II don't know why someone prefers do build a group with someone selected by an algorithm, no matter if this guy is a complete idiot and will ruin your evening, or a nice guy you maybe would want to build a frienship with. Wait a few weeks, and people will start expecting assholes that are autojoined to their group, and wait a few more weeks and you will see the langauge becoming rude and unfriendly (even more than it is already due to the players that moved from wow to rift).
You do realize that number is people that have registered accounts for Dark Orbit. It's not active players.
I would like to see the implementation before jumping into conclusions. This tool seem to cover not only dungeons but also quests, so I doubt it has a cross server implementation. I'm posiitively hyped about the other changes in 1.2 patch, so I'll judge this tool when it launches, not before.
Well all major directors of a genre add things that are implimented into future works within that genre. WOW is the most successful mmo of all time. It is only normal for things they added to their game will be added to most future mmos following it. Just the way it is. That will never change.
Hmm. Do you know DarkOrbi? It's "only" a browser game, but has 50 million players (with cash shop, I think). There are also asian games, that beat wow easily. WoW is the most successful sub-based western mmorpg on windows - there is a big difference
Interesting to read that some fans of the dungeon finder do not even know what is meant by community. Maybe you should question yourself what you missed.
Also this tool is not to be used voluntarily. If everybody is using it, you have to use it, too. Additionally Trion added some rewards for using the tool (no joke, you get these plaques you need to buy armor as a reward for just using the tool).
II don't know why someone prefers do build a group with someone selected by an algorithm, no matter if this guy is a complete idiot and will ruin your evening, or a nice guy you maybe would want to build a frienship with. Wait a few weeks, and people will start expecting assholes that are autojoined to their group, and wait a few more weeks and you will see the langauge becoming rude and unfriendly (even more than it is already due to the players that moved from wow to rift).
I find the numbers claimed by many of those companies suspect. Especially given the lack of transparancy of the host government... But in any event, WoW is the most profitable western MMO in history. Its only to be expected that other investors and Dev's would want a piece of that pie.
I have no idea why people(in this day and age) would want to spend their time spamming one of the chat channels, in the hope that they can assemble a party to do a dungeon. A well designed dungeon finder system is MUCH easier, and allows multiple runs in the space of what would take one(at best) under the spamming system.
Not everyone has a friends list, chuck full of people who are always on and available to run. Linking it to the ignore list(at the account level) deals with the worst types. Anything else is just par for the course.
Actually DarkOrbit is one game of BigPoint, a german game developer. They just sold 60% of the company for over 300 mio € - I doubt someone would pay that amount of money for suspect numbers ;-)
A well designed dungeon finder gives you a good chance to find someone. You actually have no chance to find the one you are looking for. Therefore the group is bad, as there are very high chances to have one or two players with low skills. Therefore the dungeons need to be dumbed down -> the skilled people get bored, leave. Chances get higher to get unskilled people -> dumb down, etc. Oh well, and together with low skills you get that typical modern rude behaviour. Yes, I prefer using my brain and assembling my group by myself.
Ah, btw. my selfassembled groups are so much better than those dungeonfinder groups that I honestly do not believe that you will leave the dungeon one second earlier than me. Seen it all before. Part of human being is learning from mistakes, and the dungeon finder in wow was a big mistake - for me, of course. For sure there are people who liked it in wow, but those guys are usually not the people I want to have around me. Comes down to a matter of taste, again.
I still stand by my statement that WOW is the most successful MMO of all time until someone proves otherwise.
How are you defining "successful"? Runescape has more players
Yes your right it makes it easier to find a group. Oh no the sky is falling! Baddies will still be bad and if they are GLF and can't spell LFG I'm sure they will end up on ignore lists and get kicked. This is of course so vastly different than inviting the first person who sends you a tell that they will join because an LFG tool works just as well to eliminate the need to type CC group just needs heals or tank then good to go. So yes it helps both people looking to join groups and groups who only need 1-2 more people. Of course for all you immersion breakers you can still make groups by typing in chat. I really don't see how this makes any difference other than making it easier to join and make groups.
Might as well quit now since they will be adding a tool to make forming groups easy and you won't have to type in chat. DURR DERP DERP DURR.
Was WoW your first Lol.
No I started playing CircleMUD back twenty years ago, then UO, EQ, DAOC, and pretty much everything else, I did play WoW but have since quit. However that was a fantastic one liner that did nothing to contribute to anything but exceeded at validating your lower IQ.
What downside? Pressing a button instead of typing in chat? It does seem like the title refering to the LFG tool and killing it for the OP is against the LFG tool. Call it a dungeon queue if you want. Fact is people stand in sanctum/meridian right now just waiting in line to get in a group for a dungeon (I'd equate a line waiting to get into a dungeon with a dungeon queue). All this will do is remove chat that looks like this: heals lfg expert, AP group needs tank gtg, chloro/dps lfg t1/t2, etc. Please explain the many downsides.
I love the "0 immersion" argument (also a fantastic one liner) as well I mean lets go back to when people had to right click the BG guys to queue up for battlegrounds, er warfronts. Of course I'm sure there are brilliant people out there who think having that menu pop up is immerion breaking and don't want a LFG tool or a pvp warfront joining tool. Please quit when the LFG tool comes out and "0 immersion" has been reached thus killing the entire game!
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to everyone saying that lfg/dungeon finder tools means the world will be void of players and everyone will just be sitting in main city waiting for dungeon queue....are you fucking retarded?
i wasn't aware that dungeon finder tools got rid of all the quests in the world. i wasn't aware that dungeon finder tools got rid of all the collectible artifacts throughout the world. i wasn't aware that the dungeon finder tools got rid of the entire game world except the main city.
whatever drugs you dumbasses are on that affects your brain so negatively, you really need to stop and learn to think again.
the dungeon finder isn't gonna make the game world anyless barren. the people that are just going to queue up and sit in sanctum are the same people that just sit in sanctum spamming chat. Thus no change. Except dungeon queue = slightly less spam.
There's still these silly little things called quests to do to level up. Dungeons are mainly in place to get gear and for a greater challenge than just trash mobs throughout the world will offer. It is like this in 99% mmo's. Once people have gained the best gear from a dungeon they will find very little need to do it anymore.
So again, to you people who keep saying lfg/dungeon finder tool is gonna make the world empty and everyone sitting in sanctum, USE YOUR FUCKING BRAINS, it really just amazes me how stupid you people can be. People aren't gonna run dungeons 24/7. If you do, you WILL burn out a whole lot sooner than later and you will end up quitting the game if that was literally the only thing you sat and did all day.
Fuck stop making such a fuss over something like this when it can only positively impact the game. There is NO downside to this. Sure, alot of the groups you might get will end up being shitty, but are you seriously saying the groups that you form from spamming chat is always awesome? Fuck no, you still get shitty groups there.
What a smart person would do, is through the dungeon finder, they add friends from the people that join their parties that actually were competent at their class roles and didn't afk and then after enough time, they wouldn't even need to use the dungeon finder tool and could look to friends list from then on.
So stfu about all this dungeon finder = death of socializing. Stupidest thing i've read in this thread.
* You can now use the new Looking for Group tool to queue for Dungeons, Rifts, or group quests with other players on your server!
* The Looking for Group icon has been added to the main menu tray in the lower left corner of the screen, and can also be opened with the default shortcut key 'I'.
* Select from the group roles available to you based on the roles you currently have saved on your character.
* Queue for specific dungeon or expert dungeon groups, or join the random dungeon queue. Once a group is formed, members will be teleported to the chosen dungeon zone.
* Rift and quest groups formed through the Looking for Group tool are not automatically teleported.
* Queue for group quests currently in your or your party members' quest journals from anywhere in the world and find others also looking to complete these quests!
* Additional rewards are granted for completing a random dungeon through the Looking For Group tool - these can be gained up to seven times per week but are not restricted in number per day, so you can do as many or as few as you like each day of the week up to the weekly cap. Save them all up for one day or spread them out; your choice!
* Additional restrictions based on gear also apply to forming groups for tier 1 and 2 Expert Dungeons through this tool.
I personally dislike any sort of instant travel. It kills the world and any sort of immersion, while at the same time turning games into lobby games, where people hang around in cities and sometimes warp to a sub-game of their choice.
Everyone that lets this "kill it" for them have serious issues.
Everyone who thinks a lfg dungeon queue is a good idea has serious issues.
See, I can do it too.
Haha, how cute. I dont like it either but if you let this kind of stuff "kill" the whole game for you its just wrong. People will use it or wont and thats that.
the best way to kill a troll is to FLAME ON! ...or with acid...
They just posted Restrictions of the LFG Tool & it is confirmed it won´t be crossed server
Looks just fine for me!!
Confirmed Restrictions for LFG:
LOOKING FOR GROUP
* You can now use the new Looking for Group tool to queue for Dungeons, Rifts, or group quests with other players on your server!
* The Looking for Group icon has been added to the main menu tray in the lower left corner of the screen, and can also be opened with the default shortcut key 'I'.
* Select from the group roles available to you based on the roles you currently have saved on your character.
* Queue for specific dungeon or expert dungeon groups, or join the random dungeon queue. Once a group is formed, members will be teleported to the chosen dungeon zone.
* Rift and quest groups formed through the Looking for Group tool are not automatically teleported.
* Queue for group quests currently in your or your party members' quest journals from anywhere in the world and find others also looking to complete these quests!
* Additional rewards are granted for completing a random dungeon through the Looking For Group tool - these can be gained up to seven times per week but are not restricted in number per day, so you can do as many or as few as you like each day of the week up to the weekly cap. Save them all up for one day or spread them out; your choice!
* Additional restrictions based on gear also apply to forming groups for tier 1 and 2 Expert Dungeons through this tool.
Additional restrictions based on gear also apply to forming groups for tier 1 and 2 Expert Dungeons through this tool
I personally dislike any sort of instant travel. It kills the world and any sort of immersion, while at the same time turning games into lobby games, where people hang around in cities and sometimes warp to a sub-game of their choice.
I understand your point..... i´m agaisnt teleporting too...but at the end it doesn´t make much difference since the system now allow you to teleport all group by 1 just running to instance....
It really won't change much except for the better, the only potential downside would be if it wasnt restricted to server, thankfully it is. It wont solve the problem of whichever role is lacking on your server (usually tank) and I hope that doesn't start calls for cross server LFG tools, I'm liking the fact I'm getting to know people on my server through PuGs.
I am a little concerned about this:
* Additional restrictions based on gear also apply to forming groups for tier 1 and 2 Expert Dungeons through this tool.
Seems players are capable enough of doing that themselves without some restrictions being forced by mechanics, don't know how it works so I'll reserve judgement. As a player who does dungeons for the fun and camaraderie of his fellow players I don't give a crap about gear as long as you're within level range and aren't a fool (yes a tank who tries to do so with woefully under spec gear is a fool ).
It really won't change much except for the better, the only potential downside would be if it wasnt restricted to server, thankfully it is. It wont solve the problem of whichever role is lacking on your server (usually tank) and I hope that doesn't start calls for cross server LFG tools, I'm liking the fact I'm getting to know people on my server through PuGs.
I am a little concerned about this:
* Additional restrictions based on gear also apply to forming groups for tier 1 and 2 Expert Dungeons through this tool.
Seems players are capable enough of doing that themselves without some restrictions being forced by mechanics, don't know how it works so I'll reserve judgement. As a player who does dungeons for the fun and camaraderie of his fellow players I don't give a crap about gear as long as you're within level range and aren't a fool (yes a tank who tries to do so with woefully under spec gear is a fool ).
well u can always keep on grouping the traditional way with your mates
Gear restrictions i believe are needed specially for T2....u need some gear to complete those.... and i´m sure u dont want to meet inside a dungeon with a curious tank or healer wearing all green gear.....
I'm already playing FFXIV...I don't expect SE to ruin a final fantasy world with a dungeon queue.
Hahahahaha......as if they can ruin it more.
Lol have you even played it? Logged in lately? Many many more people around in the world than in RIFT or WoW.
Sorry but that is bull***. No one is going to believe this. I logged in yesterday and except for Uldah other two cities were deserted. Even in Uldah there were not that many players to begin with. More than WOW and RIft? pass over whatever you are smoking.
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There are two partys involved - one that invites to a group and one that wants to be invited. You replace the one who is inviting with an algorithm. With all benefits (groups for those who cannot even spell lfg correctly) and downsides (groups for those who cannot even spell lfg correctly). But it is for sure not the same!
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Yes your right it makes it easier to find a group. Oh no the sky is falling! Baddies will still be bad and if they are GLF and can't spell LFG I'm sure they will end up on ignore lists and get kicked. This is of course so vastly different than inviting the first person who sends you a tell that they will join because an LFG tool works just as well to eliminate the need to type CC group just needs heals or tank then good to go. So yes it helps both people looking to join groups and groups who only need 1-2 more people. Of course for all you immersion breakers you can still make groups by typing in chat. I really don't see how this makes any difference other than making it easier to join and make groups.
Might as well quit now since they will be adding a tool to make forming groups easy and you won't have to type in chat. DURR DERP DERP DURR.
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/I would not quit just because I do not like this tool. Though it has many downsides, if the rest of the game would just be great, I would stay in Rift.
To point it out again, in case you missed the last 15 pages, nobody here is against a lfg tool. Some people just don't like the dungeon queue. Me included.
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Waiting for Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen
Lol have you even played it? Logged in lately? Many many more people around in the world than in RIFT or WoW.
Was WoW your first Lol.
Played back at launch for awhile... Or tried to. FF 14 should never have been released in that state. Say what you wish about Rift, its launch went off nearly flawlessly, and quite well polished, and I still enjoy it. I wish I'd had a LFG system back at Rift launch. I currently have a level 50 warrior, and a level 40 rogue. Unless I want to start all over again, I'm not likely to see most of the dungeons at this point.
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people complaining about this is just yet more proof that gamers will complain about literally anything
You do realize that number is people that have registered accounts for Dark Orbit. It's not active players.
I would like to see the implementation before jumping into conclusions. This tool seem to cover not only dungeons but also quests, so I doubt it has a cross server implementation. I'm posiitively hyped about the other changes in 1.2 patch, so I'll judge this tool when it launches, not before.
How are you defining "successful"? Runescape has more players
uh well, if YOU say so, it's set now.
dont mind the 12 million users or any other obvious hint on that, he said so! now it's fact :P
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No I started playing CircleMUD back twenty years ago, then UO, EQ, DAOC, and pretty much everything else, I did play WoW but have since quit. However that was a fantastic one liner that did nothing to contribute to anything but exceeded at validating your lower IQ.
@Clywd
What downside? Pressing a button instead of typing in chat? It does seem like the title refering to the LFG tool and killing it for the OP is against the LFG tool. Call it a dungeon queue if you want. Fact is people stand in sanctum/meridian right now just waiting in line to get in a group for a dungeon (I'd equate a line waiting to get into a dungeon with a dungeon queue). All this will do is remove chat that looks like this: heals lfg expert, AP group needs tank gtg, chloro/dps lfg t1/t2, etc. Please explain the many downsides.
@jonesing22
I love the "0 immersion" argument (also a fantastic one liner) as well I mean lets go back to when people had to right click the BG guys to queue up for battlegrounds, er warfronts. Of course I'm sure there are brilliant people out there who think having that menu pop up is immerion breaking and don't want a LFG tool or a pvp warfront joining tool. Please quit when the LFG tool comes out and "0 immersion" has been reached thus killing the entire game!
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/to everyone saying that lfg/dungeon finder tools means the world will be void of players and everyone will just be sitting in main city waiting for dungeon queue....are you fucking retarded?
i wasn't aware that dungeon finder tools got rid of all the quests in the world. i wasn't aware that dungeon finder tools got rid of all the collectible artifacts throughout the world. i wasn't aware that the dungeon finder tools got rid of the entire game world except the main city.
whatever drugs you dumbasses are on that affects your brain so negatively, you really need to stop and learn to think again.
the dungeon finder isn't gonna make the game world anyless barren. the people that are just going to queue up and sit in sanctum are the same people that just sit in sanctum spamming chat. Thus no change. Except dungeon queue = slightly less spam.
There's still these silly little things called quests to do to level up. Dungeons are mainly in place to get gear and for a greater challenge than just trash mobs throughout the world will offer. It is like this in 99% mmo's. Once people have gained the best gear from a dungeon they will find very little need to do it anymore.
So again, to you people who keep saying lfg/dungeon finder tool is gonna make the world empty and everyone sitting in sanctum, USE YOUR FUCKING BRAINS, it really just amazes me how stupid you people can be. People aren't gonna run dungeons 24/7. If you do, you WILL burn out a whole lot sooner than later and you will end up quitting the game if that was literally the only thing you sat and did all day.
Fuck stop making such a fuss over something like this when it can only positively impact the game. There is NO downside to this. Sure, alot of the groups you might get will end up being shitty, but are you seriously saying the groups that you form from spamming chat is always awesome? Fuck no, you still get shitty groups there.
What a smart person would do, is through the dungeon finder, they add friends from the people that join their parties that actually were competent at their class roles and didn't afk and then after enough time, they wouldn't even need to use the dungeon finder tool and could look to friends list from then on.
So stfu about all this dungeon finder = death of socializing. Stupidest thing i've read in this thread.
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Here are the confirmed tool restrictions so far:
LOOKING FOR GROUP
* You can now use the new Looking for Group tool to queue for Dungeons, Rifts, or group quests with other players on your server!
* The Looking for Group icon has been added to the main menu tray in the lower left corner of the screen, and can also be opened with the default shortcut key 'I'.
* Select from the group roles available to you based on the roles you currently have saved on your character.
* Queue for specific dungeon or expert dungeon groups, or join the random dungeon queue. Once a group is formed, members will be teleported to the chosen dungeon zone.
* Rift and quest groups formed through the Looking for Group tool are not automatically teleported.
* Queue for group quests currently in your or your party members' quest journals from anywhere in the world and find others also looking to complete these quests!
* Additional rewards are granted for completing a random dungeon through the Looking For Group tool - these can be gained up to seven times per week but are not restricted in number per day, so you can do as many or as few as you like each day of the week up to the weekly cap. Save them all up for one day or spread them out; your choice!
* Additional restrictions based on gear also apply to forming groups for tier 1 and 2 Expert Dungeons through this tool.
From:
http://forums.riftgame.com/showthread.php?176441-PTS-1.2-Patch-Notes-4-26-11-Addition-1&p=2266702&viewfull=1#post2266702
I personally dislike any sort of instant travel. It kills the world and any sort of immersion, while at the same time turning games into lobby games, where people hang around in cities and sometimes warp to a sub-game of their choice.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
Haha, how cute. I dont like it either but if you let this kind of stuff "kill" the whole game for you its just wrong. People will use it or wont and thats that.
the best way to kill a troll is to FLAME ON! ...or with acid...
They just posted Restrictions of the LFG Tool & it is confirmed it won´t be crossed server
Looks just fine for me!!
Confirmed Restrictions for LFG:
I believe I beat you to it, five answers above. hehe.
Indeed
Srry
I understand your point..... i´m agaisnt teleporting too...but at the end it doesn´t make much difference since the system now allow you to teleport all group by 1 just running to instance....
It really won't change much except for the better, the only potential downside would be if it wasnt restricted to server, thankfully it is. It wont solve the problem of whichever role is lacking on your server (usually tank) and I hope that doesn't start calls for cross server LFG tools, I'm liking the fact I'm getting to know people on my server through PuGs.
I am a little concerned about this:
Seems players are capable enough of doing that themselves without some restrictions being forced by mechanics, don't know how it works so I'll reserve judgement. As a player who does dungeons for the fun and camaraderie of his fellow players I don't give a crap about gear as long as you're within level range and aren't a fool (yes a tank who tries to do so with woefully under spec gear is a foolwell u can always keep on grouping the traditional way with your mates
Gear restrictions i believe are needed specially for T2....u need some gear to complete those.... and i´m sure u dont want to meet inside a dungeon with a curious tank or healer wearing all green gear.....
Sorry but that is bull***. No one is going to believe this. I logged in yesterday and except for Uldah other two cities were deserted. Even in Uldah there were not that many players to begin with. More than WOW and RIft? pass over whatever you are smoking.