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  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,749

    Originally posted by DrunkWolf

    Originally posted by Xero_Chance

    The reason for the combat is not because they can't afford modern server hardware but only because the public cannot afford very good internet connections. There's this thing called "accessibility".

    I also think 3 months is plenty long enough to do the tiny insignificant tweaks to the character creator that were needed. Of course they freaked out pretending it wasn't even done, they don't want people like you going onto forums and saying "oh noez all hope is lost" about a missing "create character" button or some buggy costume pieces that needs small tweaks.

    This is one of those threads. OP saw something he didn't immediately orgasm over and instantly categorized it as "bad".

    i beg to differ with your first statement.

    12 years ago a game came out ( Asherons Call ) that allowed people to dodge magic and arrows and was 100% skill based when fighting both Mobs and People and back then internet was on 56k.

    the reason combat is dumbed down so much in all these games like WoW is because people keep buying them so the game companys dont have to change shit.

    at least age of conan tried to change it up with their melee combat.

    bleh guess i was just lieing to myself when i hoped star wars would be somthing different.....

    Does it ever occur to anyone that the reason why tab targeting and slower paced combat is popular in MMOs is because most people actually prefer it over twitch combat?  How popular are any of the MMOs that have twitch combat versus those that don't and maybe you guys can finally get a clue.

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  • nicksnamenicksname Member Posts: 45

    I stopped at the words "10 minutes"

     

    So you got screwed (by yourself somewhat) by waiting to play too long for short.

     

    Thats the way it goes!

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    Boo.

  • DarkholmeDarkholme Member UncommonPosts: 1,212

    Originally posted by azmundai

     




    Originally posted by Kost





    Originally posted by ianicus

    Of course the writer was disapointed, he obviously did ZERO research about the game befor he laid his hands on it. Walking into a ford dealership looking for an dodge is going to dissapoint you no mater what... come on, I smell troll in that article.






    The writer is a sandbox mmorpg fan, he doesn't even enjoy themepark games.

    He couldn't be anymore biased if he tried.




     

    And you appear to be just another rabid fan. You couldn't be any more biased if you tried either.

    The writer actually mentions NOTHING that even suggests he is a sandbox fan. Your assumptions are really getting painful to read. Or do you assume that anyone that doesn't like "kill 10 space rats" quests is an insane, blind sandbox maniac?

    Uhm, speaking of doing research... If you look at Brendans article history you would know he's an EVE Online player.

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  • azmundaiazmundai Member UncommonPosts: 1,419


    Originally posted by Darkholme

    Originally posted by azmundai
     


    Originally posted by Kost



    Originally posted by ianicus
    Of course the writer was disapointed, he obviously did ZERO research about the game befor he laid his hands on it. Walking into a ford dealership looking for an dodge is going to dissapoint you no mater what... come on, I smell troll in that article.


    The writer is a sandbox mmorpg fan, he doesn't even enjoy themepark games.
    He couldn't be anymore biased if he tried.



     
    And you appear to be just another rabid fan. You couldn't be any more biased if you tried either.
    The writer actually mentions NOTHING that even suggests he is a sandbox fan. Your assumptions are really getting painful to read. Or do you assume that anyone that doesn't like "kill 10 space rats" quests is an insane, blind sandbox maniac?


    Uhm, speaking of doing research... If you look at Brendans article history you would know he's an EVE Online player.

    Why would I research some obscure poster on some site I hardly ever visit? Nothing in his post was about sandbox style gameplay.

    LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
    I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  • LeucentLeucent Member Posts: 2,371

    Originally posted by azmundai

     




    Originally posted by Darkholme





    Originally posted by azmundai

     








    Originally posted by Kost










    Originally posted by ianicus

    Of course the writer was disapointed, he obviously did ZERO research about the game befor he laid his hands on it. Walking into a ford dealership looking for an dodge is going to dissapoint you no mater what... come on, I smell troll in that article.










    The writer is a sandbox mmorpg fan, he doesn't even enjoy themepark games.

    He couldn't be anymore biased if he tried.








     

    And you appear to be just another rabid fan. You couldn't be any more biased if you tried either.

    The writer actually mentions NOTHING that even suggests he is a sandbox fan. Your assumptions are really getting painful to read. Or do you assume that anyone that doesn't like "kill 10 space rats" quests is an insane, blind sandbox maniac?






    Uhm, speaking of doing research... If you look at Brendans article history you would know he's an EVE Online player.



     

    Why would I research some obscure poster on some site I hardly ever visit? Nothing in his post was about sandbox style gameplay.

    Post and article history are not the same thing. /sigh

  • IsaneIsane Member UncommonPosts: 2,630

    Originally posted by SlothnChunk

    Originally posted by I_Return

    pretty much what all veteran mmo players expected, another wow clone to make money,

    Bioware's co-founder admitted it too earlier this year.

    You are wrong , they basically said only idiots would ignore the Blizzard/WoW approach. Two different things.

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  • Biggus99Biggus99 Member Posts: 916

    Originally posted by Darkholme

    Originally posted by azmundai

     




    Originally posted by Kost






    Originally posted by ianicus

    Of course the writer was disapointed, he obviously did ZERO research about the game befor he laid his hands on it. Walking into a ford dealership looking for an dodge is going to dissapoint you no mater what... come on, I smell troll in that article.







    The writer is a sandbox mmorpg fan, he doesn't even enjoy themepark games.

    He couldn't be anymore biased if he tried.





     

    And you appear to be just another rabid fan. You couldn't be any more biased if you tried either.

    The writer actually mentions NOTHING that even suggests he is a sandbox fan. Your assumptions are really getting painful to read. Or do you assume that anyone that doesn't like "kill 10 space rats" quests is an insane, blind sandbox maniac?

    Uhm, speaking of doing research... If you look at Brendans article history you would know he's an EVE Online player.

     

    And if he did any research, he would also know that there aren't "kill 10 spacerats" quests like most themeparks have.  Those are bonus quests you get simply from killing one of them during your other quests, and can be completed at any time and anywhere.  They arent given as an actual quest, and they don't need to be turned in.  You simply get credit for them  upon completion.

     

     

     

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    WHat's funny to me is if this had been a positive review everyone who constantly berates TOR/Bioware on a daily basis would be saying the complete opposite of what they're saying now. While the other side would be doing the same. Nothing new here move along, move along...

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  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,749

    What I find more common is that hardcores feel the need to peddle their play style a lot more than casuals do, especially when the majority of casuals don't even lurk on sites like this.  Let's face it, this ongoing debate about TOR has always been about the rift between hardcores and their preferred mechanics and content versus casuals and theirs.  WoW was the first game to really try hard to cater to casuals, more so than just about any other game, especially the popular ones and it really gets the hardcore's goats that other companies are following suit.

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  • LatronusLatronus Member Posts: 692

    Originally posted by Loke666

    Not good news. While the article was rather short and you really can't review a MMO after half an hours play it do tells us some things about the games controls, and not good things either.

    Hopefully will the story be good enough so that we don't care if the UI and combat mechanics could be more innovative, I really need to try the game myself before I can decide if it is a game I want to play or not.

    A bad review like this is not a didadter, just slightly worrying so relax, Bioware fans. The open beta better be good though, or they will loose many potential customers.

    I still hope the game is good, Bioware used to be a very competent company and while  thought D 1 & 2 and ME 1 & 2 were just so-so I still feels that I own them to try out this game, after all the hours of fun BG 1& 2 and NWN have given me. 

    Let the game speak for itself, try the open beta before you decide if this is a game for you or not.

    There is NO open beta for this game.  BW is doing Beta weekends to stress test the game and those invites are coming from the list of potential players that signed up for Beta testing.  Just FYI.

     

    As to the topic: are you people for real?  Did your parents have any kids that actually lived?  One guy is disappointed after playing for what 10-30 minutes and you the sky is falling.  Judge it for yourself and stop judging a game that isn't even out by what others say.

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  • CorehavenCorehaven Member UncommonPosts: 1,533

    I dont really think anyone can get a true scope of the game with only ten minutes of play.  So Im not sure I can take this article too seriously, even though I have a feeling Id feel the same way as the author if I played Swtor for a solid month.  But thats just speculation on my part which is worthless for now. 

     

    But there's a few articles like this out there, and its not a good sign.  Not saying Swtor wont be good, or fun, but I have a strong sense its going to end up not being all it could be.  And yes, you could say that about any game, but I think people know what I mean. 

     

    I also think its a little funny how Swtor fans on this site will post some random article off a non gaming website and rave about how the author liked the game, but then when I major game site posts a negative preview article its " Move along.  Nothing to see here.  Move along. "    Hahaha.....sorry.  Had to laugh. 

     

    We'll just have to see how this game does.  And I still figure the release date is going to get pushed.  Bioware has a habit of doing that.  So please people dont freak out if it happens.  Just try to expect it, and if it does release on the date given, be pleasantly surprised. 

     

     

  • BlackUhuruBlackUhuru Member Posts: 770

    Originally posted by Biggus99

    Originally posted by BlackUhuru


    Originally posted by jerlot65

    just another article by a MMO hater.  The main gripes he has is pretty much standard in most MMO's.  Its like somebody trying out COD 3 and complaining becuase they have shotguns in the game.

    And I also don;t like the gushy STWOR fanboy articles either.  But if your going to critique a game maybe should not be so biased about the genre.

    Pretty much standard in Themepark games not MMOs in general, unfortunatly all the big publishers have been trying there hardest to get some of that WoW money and not focusing there attention on making real MMORPG's.

    Some people are sick of the hand holding and linear single player RPG's and that article would reflect the same views alot of MMORPG gamers have. Don't hate on the people that want something new or innovative.

     

     

     

     

    The problem with your statement is "SOME people are tired of the hand holding."  Some.  Not most.  Themepark MMOs are still where the money is at, because people like ease of gameplay.  They don't want to pay $15 a month to bash their brains on their keyboard trying to figure out how to play a game and having to make their own content.  For better or worse, and there are arguments on both sides, that's the way it is currenlty.  So a company will indeed take that formula, add in their own tweaks to it, and have a better chance of making money of their game then setting up a sandbox and telling people to go make their own content.  I have no problem with people who don't enoy themepark games.  But to act like the public is clamoring for something different than the themepark model isn't true.  Some people are.  Heck, maybe many people are.  But not MOST people.  Most people are happy with a standard themepark game that throws in some new wrinkles.  And companies are always going to play the odds when it comes to turning a profit.  Personally, I think the future of MMOs will lie somewhere in a hybrid model.  I think there needs to be some hand holding and some pre-made content.  But I'd like to see upcoming MMOs also give people the freedom to play the way they want and do what they want.  Many people think GW2 is that game.  I don't.  I think it's going to be closer to a thempark than many want to believe.  I hope that Archeage can be that kind of game, but I'm not holding my breath.



    The masses (WoW generation) have never played a good sandbox title, they have experience nothing but themepark and don't know any better.

    Once one of these top publishers grows some and allows a developer to build a next gen open world sandbox title i bet the WoW generation will be ready for it, and will welcome a challenge with open arms.

    How can you expect them to play the same level to cap and raid for end game gear over and over and over and over again.

    It has to stop sometime and i think SWTOR will be the begining of the end. Watch the masses nerd rage for something different like we have never seen before...

    I'm waiting with a smile...

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  • AutemOxAutemOx Member Posts: 1,704

    'Underwhelming' is a perfect word for this MMORPG, which will make it unpopular among most MMORP gamers but it could be a financial success still especially among kids and some coming from WoW.  But I agree with the poster above me that most from WoW will be expecting more from their next MMORPG to dislodge them from the history (all the time they've put into building a strong character) with WoW.

    In other words, I doubt TOR will do very well.  But its starwars, high budget, and it has followed the strict guidelines of WoW so it would be near impossible for it to fail entirely.

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  • ZaushZaush Member Posts: 371
    Very biased review. I get the impression he knew what he was going to write before he even played the demo. Mentioned GW2and twitch combat, like he was surprised! That info has been out there for years. I've played the game, about 5 hours today. I wish I could respond more to his write up. .
  • Biggus99Biggus99 Member Posts: 916

    Originally posted by BlackUhuru

    Originally posted by Biggus99


    Originally posted by BlackUhuru


    Originally posted by jerlot65

    just another article by a MMO hater.  The main gripes he has is pretty much standard in most MMO's.  Its like somebody trying out COD 3 and complaining becuase they have shotguns in the game.

    And I also don;t like the gushy STWOR fanboy articles either.  But if your going to critique a game maybe should not be so biased about the genre.

    Pretty much standard in Themepark games not MMOs in general, unfortunatly all the big publishers have been trying there hardest to get some of that WoW money and not focusing there attention on making real MMORPG's.

    Some people are sick of the hand holding and linear single player RPG's and that article would reflect the same views alot of MMORPG gamers have. Don't hate on the people that want something new or innovative.

     

     

     

     

    The problem with your statement is "SOME people are tired of the hand holding."  Some.  Not most.  Themepark MMOs are still where the money is at, because people like ease of gameplay.  They don't want to pay $15 a month to bash their brains on their keyboard trying to figure out how to play a game and having to make their own content.  For better or worse, and there are arguments on both sides, that's the way it is currenlty.  So a company will indeed take that formula, add in their own tweaks to it, and have a better chance of making money of their game then setting up a sandbox and telling people to go make their own content.  I have no problem with people who don't enoy themepark games.  But to act like the public is clamoring for something different than the themepark model isn't true.  Some people are.  Heck, maybe many people are.  But not MOST people.  Most people are happy with a standard themepark game that throws in some new wrinkles.  And companies are always going to play the odds when it comes to turning a profit.  Personally, I think the future of MMOs will lie somewhere in a hybrid model.  I think there needs to be some hand holding and some pre-made content.  But I'd like to see upcoming MMOs also give people the freedom to play the way they want and do what they want.  Many people think GW2 is that game.  I don't.  I think it's going to be closer to a thempark than many want to believe.  I hope that Archeage can be that kind of game, but I'm not holding my breath.



    The masses (WoW generation) have never played a good sandbox title, they have experience nothing but themepark and don't now any better.

    Once one of these top publishers grows some and allows a developer to build a next gen open world sandbox title i bet the WoW generation will be ready for it, and will welcome a challenge with open arms.

    How can you expect them to play the same level to cap and raid for end game gear over and over and over and over again.

    It has to stop sometime and i think SWTOR will be the begining of the end. Watch the masses nerd rage for something different like we have never seen before...

    I'm waiting with a smile...

     

    Well, you're probably going to be waiting a while.  And probably not smiling.  We haven't seen a truly good sandbox since UO.  And since that is one of the first MMOs out there, it is not known how it would hold up in today's day and age.  So keep waiting, but for the sandbox title to truly be worthy of people's time, they are going to need to be developed by an actual developer with some cash behind them, not some piss-ant company employing 6 people.  And the type of developers that could make a truly solid sandbox are going where the money is:  Themeparks.  Like I said, your best best is a hybrid.  Something along the lines of Archaeage.  If that game is successful, and if Guild Wars 2 is successful, then maybe a future developer with some money combines some of the ideas in GW2 with the sandboxy elements of Archeage, and then you may have something.  But that's going to be many years down the line, if at all.

    Saying the masses haven't played a good sandbox title is more an indictment of the sandbox genre than the masses.  

  • LeucentLeucent Member Posts: 2,371

    Originally posted by wormywyrm

    'Underwhelming' is a perfect word for this MMORPG, which will make it unpopular among most MMORP gamers but it could be a financial success still especially among kids and some coming from WoW.  But I agree with the poster above me that most from WoW will be expecting more from their next MMORPG to dislodge them from the history (all the time they've put into building a strong character) with WoW.

    In other words, I doubt TOR will do very well.  But its starwars, high budget, and it has followed the strict guidelines of WoW so it would be near impossible for it to fail entirely.

    I ve played many MMOs from UO to WOW and your statement is way off base. If I could go on about this I would, but SWTOR is not a kids game or a WOW wannabe. I can tell you I like harder games ie DAOC back in the day and FFXI, yes SWTOR isn t as hard, but it feels like a world finally.

    In other words, I think you re a little off.

  • sirphobossirphobos Member UncommonPosts: 620

    All right, a guy forms an opinion about a game after 10 minutes of playing and apparently I'm supposed to care.

  • Biggus99Biggus99 Member Posts: 916

    Originally posted by wormywyrm

    In other words, I doubt TOR will do very well.  

     

    Meaning what?  Meaning it won't be a game that you like?  Meaning it won't be commercially successful?  If it's the latter, what number would you give in terms of subscribers that would justify your "I doubt TOR will do very well" claim?  If it's the former, isn't that just your opinion?  And if a bunch of people play the game over a period of time, and you don't, wouldn't it still be considered very successful, despite your personal dislike for it?

    So which is it?  Commercial success or personal like/dislike of the game?   

  • czekoskwigelczekoskwigel Member Posts: 458

    Originally posted by sirphobos

    All right, a guy forms an opinion about a game after 10 minutes of playing and apparently I'm supposed to care.

    This. So very this.

    His opinion was developed long before he even touched the game.

  • Biggus99Biggus99 Member Posts: 916

    Originally posted by Corehaven

    I also think its a little funny how Swtor fans on this site will post some random article off a non gaming website and rave about how the author liked the game, but then when I major game site posts a negative preview article its " Move along.  Nothing to see here.  Move along. "    Hahaha.....sorry.  Had to laugh. 

     

    Ummm, you mean like PC Gamer?  They played it for 6 hours and gave it a very positive review.  

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,949

    It just seems to me that someone so ensconced in EVE, such as Brendan Drain appears to be, might be more biased toward a different type of game and that is why his article leans the way it does.

    Just a thought.

    In any case he's welcome to his opinion like we all are.

    In the end people are going to like it and people are going to hate it. We all know this but there continues to be arguments over it.

    People can keep a salvo of good or bad articles/previews/thougths but it still doesn't change that one's mileage is going to vary when it comes to SWToR. Or any other game for that matter.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Originally posted by Corehaven

    I dont really think anyone can get a true scope of the game with only ten minutes of play.  So Im not sure I can take this article too seriously, even though I have a feeling Id feel the same way as the author if I played Swtor for a solid month.  But thats just speculation on my part which is worthless for now. 

    Excellent avenue of thought, this is how everyone should think whether it's a posi or negative preview. All that matters is what you experience, anything else is irrelevant.

     I also think its a little funny how Swtor fans on this site will post some random article off a non gaming website and rave about how the author liked the game, but then when I major game site posts a negative preview article its " Move along.  Nothing to see here.  Move along. "    Hahaha.....sorry.  Had to laugh. 

    I like the idea of moving along from any of these discussions. They never go anywhere, all that comes from them is an argument over opinions, which IMO is pointless. As I said in my intial post in this thread, Bioware can't win them all over. WHich is all that really needs to be said from the position I stand at at.

     We'll just have to see how this game does.  And I still figure the release date is going to get pushed.  Bioware has a habit of doing that.  So please people dont freak out if it happens.  Just try to expect it, and if it does release on the date given, be pleasantly surprised. 

    Again a good outlook.

     

     

     

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  • EquinoxaEquinoxa Member UncommonPosts: 10

    Every writer has a certain aim on how he/she wants an article to influence the readers opinion. It's called manipulation.

    I somehow get the impression that the writer's intention on how he was going to write this article was decided by one key experience. And that was the moment he got caught by 'a nervous employee' after he had finally figured out how to get into the character creation. Whatever his intentions were, he had already gotten so far and suddenly all his efforts were stopped by this 'nervous employee'. At that moment the writer, in my opinion, was pissed off so bad that he decided - no matter what his further experience in the demo would be - to write a negatively manipulating article. That's the way I felt while reading it and probably I'm not the only one.

  • SupersoupsSupersoups Member Posts: 1,004

    Originally posted by azmundai

     




    Originally posted by Darkholme





    Originally posted by azmundai

     








    Originally posted by Kost










    Originally posted by ianicus

    Of course the writer was disapointed, he obviously did ZERO research about the game befor he laid his hands on it. Walking into a ford dealership looking for an dodge is going to dissapoint you no mater what... come on, I smell troll in that article.










    The writer is a sandbox mmorpg fan, he doesn't even enjoy themepark games.

    He couldn't be anymore biased if he tried.








     

    And you appear to be just another rabid fan. You couldn't be any more biased if you tried either.

    The writer actually mentions NOTHING that even suggests he is a sandbox fan. Your assumptions are really getting painful to read. Or do you assume that anyone that doesn't like "kill 10 space rats" quests is an insane, blind sandbox maniac?






    Uhm, speaking of doing research... If you look at Brendans article history you would know he's an EVE Online player.



     

    Why would I research some obscure poster on some site I hardly ever visit? Nothing in his post was about sandbox style gameplay.

    /facepalm.

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  • CorehavenCorehaven Member UncommonPosts: 1,533

    Originally posted by Supersoups

    Originally posted by azmundai

     




    Originally posted by Darkholme






    Originally posted by azmundai

     








    Originally posted by Kost










    Originally posted by ianicus

    Of course the writer was disapointed, he obviously did ZERO research about the game befor he laid his hands on it. Walking into a ford dealership looking for an dodge is going to dissapoint you no mater what... come on, I smell troll in that article.










    The writer is a sandbox mmorpg fan, he doesn't even enjoy themepark games.

    He couldn't be anymore biased if he tried.








     

    And you appear to be just another rabid fan. You couldn't be any more biased if you tried either.

    The writer actually mentions NOTHING that even suggests he is a sandbox fan. Your assumptions are really getting painful to read. Or do you assume that anyone that doesn't like "kill 10 space rats" quests is an insane, blind sandbox maniac?







    Uhm, speaking of doing research... If you look at Brendans article history you would know he's an EVE Online player.




     

    Why would I research some obscure poster on some site I hardly ever visit? Nothing in his post was about sandbox style gameplay.

    /facepalm.

     

    Okay its not like " /facepalm " is an original emote or anything.  But this particular one made me laugh out loud.  Still sort of chuckling.    : D 

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