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Could it be that hype is real this time?

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857

    Originally posted by BadSpock

    The hype could certainly be real this time.

    If by "hype" you mean "excitement based off of a plethora of available videos/interviews/previews/beta information not under NDA."

    There is only one thing that hasn't been shown extensively in videos and beta press articles - the shop.

    See, I think "hype" is stuff like CGI trailers, heavily-editted developer released vids, and developer interviews/blogs and such.

    So does GW2 have hype? Yes, they have released heavily-editted developer vids and blogs/interviews.

    Hype = marketting material. Marketting material is always spun to shine in the best possible light. Everyone does it to some extent, that is only logical.

    You know what is not hype?

    Hours and hours of raw footage and pages and pages of text from countless non-Anet affiliated press and other gamers.

    Anyone who buys this game and calls it an "uninformed decision" simply hasn't done their homework.

    It's all out there now, read/watch and decide for yourself.

    Truly sound advice. But I feel the need to point out that an "informed decision" should not be considered 100% certain just yet.

    OK, yes, we are a little late in the game to be re-writing basic mechanics. But I'd like to play devil's advocate for a moment.

    I have been reading these forums for a few years, and only recently did the thread about The Mittani drive me to create an account, So i have been paying attention to the cash shop arguments here.

    Personally, I believe that Anet will try to do what they said. But that only goes so far. They need to find out what people wil actually buy from the cash shop and it's in their best interest to push that item to the edge of advantage without crossing over. Remember. Mike O. used the term "unfair advantage" but never said anyhting about an advantage that might be considered "fair" (Time vs money thing) Regardless, it's still a fine line they walk and it's cliche, but as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    I am more concerend with human error and/or poor judgement slipping into that cash shop than I am with ArenaNet intentionally selling out it's customers.

     

    Edit: and yes, if there is an issue, I'd like to think they will quickly correct it.

  • DeaconXDeaconX Member UncommonPosts: 3,062

    Yes.

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    Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.

    BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.

  • KuppaKuppa Member UncommonPosts: 3,292

    Originally posted by DeaconX

    Yes.

    Si?

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  • DeaconXDeaconX Member UncommonPosts: 3,062

    Originally posted by Kuppa

    Originally posted by DeaconX

    Yes.

    Si?

    Ja

    image

    Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.

    BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.

  • silvermembersilvermember Member UncommonPosts: 526

    Originally posted by GWFandaddy

    Originally posted by Whitebeards

    I know every time a highly anticipated MMO is about to release people go crazy with excitement but when was the last time this much information in form of videos was avilable for people to see? Anet is not keeping anythign behind closed doors and information about game is freely avilable for people to see. I spent last two weeks watching videos of GW2, seeing is beleving and that is exactly what i did. I must have seen hundreds of videos and cant think of one MMO which lets players get so much informaiton about game mechanics and features before release.

    yes people will tell me to 'simmer down' and not get too hyped but what if i say 'maybe hype is for real this time'?

    The hype is real, no question, I think you should have asked, "Will the hyped be justified/validated"  But, that's just me.

    Hype only exist with the fanboys. So far Arenanet has done everything they have talked about.  The problem Arenanet has is that a good percentage of the fanboys are not listening to what Arenanet is saying, they are falling prey to the soundbites. I see this a lot of the time, you will hear a fanboy talk about how dynamic events are revolutionary w/o knowing the why, I saw this a lot with the NDA breakers whining how DE are just glorified quest and how disappointed they are. Now of they were really listening to what Arenanet said they would have known that a long time ago.

  • DannyGloverDannyGlover Member Posts: 1,277


    Originally posted by GeezerGamer

    Originally posted by DannyGlover
    The hype is definitely real. A lot of people believe this will save the genre. Which is sad, but nonetheless real.
    I see GWII providing the genre with huge stepping stones in a good direction. But I don't see it as the game that will be the one to actually carry the genre over to that place.

    Cash shops, esport, fake faction pvp, instanced personal storylines, generic crafting. These are all huge steps in the wrong direction (in my personal opinion) a lot of people think these are steps in the right direction for th genre, which is a little depressing.

    I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.

  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,029

          I have never played a MMO that lived up to the hype......In fact, most of the ones I enjoyed the most had little or no hype at all.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857

    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     




    Originally posted by GeezerGamer





    Originally posted by DannyGlover

    The hype is definitely real. A lot of people believe this will save the genre. Which is sad, but nonetheless real.






    I see GWII providing the genre with huge stepping stones in a good direction. But I don't see it as the game that will be the one to actually carry the genre over to that place.



     

    Cash shops, esport, fake faction pvp, instanced personal storylines, generic crafting. These are all huge steps in the wrong direction (in my personal opinion) a lot of people think these are steps in the right direction for th genre, which is a little depressing.

    Crafting is huge for me. It will make or break an otherwise excellent game that I'd be playing, or not as the case may be.

  • pacovpacov Member Posts: 311

    Originally posted by DeaconX

    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by DeaconX

    Yes.

    Si?

    Ja

    Da

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  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,979

    Originally posted by DannyGlover



    Cash shops, esport, fake faction pvp, instanced personal storylines, generic crafting.

    That was a really good job only listing the things that just about everybody knows are not new and unique in GW2 and were never claimed to be new and unique :)

  • UnlightUnlight Member Posts: 2,540

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    For some folks, yes, this title will be the ultimate fullfillment of their gaming dreams.

    For others, not so much.

     

    That pretty much hits the nail on the head. 

    It's got pretty much everything I've ever been looking for in a game and almost none of the crap I've loathed for years.  To me, the hype is right on.  For others who don't share my perpective on games, it won't be.  Nor should it.

  • DannyGloverDannyGlover Member Posts: 1,277


    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Originally posted by DannyGlover


    Cash shops, esport, fake faction pvp, instanced personal storylines, generic crafting.


    That was a really good job only listing the things that just about everybody knows are not new and unique in GW2 and were never claimed to be new and unique :)


    If this was a thread about listing new and unique features, youd have a point. But its about hype, so thanks for the lesson in taking things out of context :)

    I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857

    Originally posted by Unlight

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    For some folks, yes, this title will be the ultimate fullfillment of their gaming dreams.

    For others, not so much.

     

    That pretty much hits the nail on the head. 

    It's got pretty much everything I've ever been looking for in a game and almost none of the crap I've loathed for years.  To me, the hype is right on.  For others who don't share my perpective on games, it won't be.  Nor should it.

    I think that's a great way to look at it. But for me, I wish it was that simple. There are a lot of things in GW2 that I am foaming at the mouth to sink my teeth into. But at the same time, there are things that continue to drive me to play my current game that won't be in GW2.

    In the end though, it changes nothing. The solutions is clear. I will buy it and play it to my heart's content. And from there, who knows.

  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,979

    Originally posted by DannyGlover



    Originally posted by BadSpock




    That was a really good job only listing the things that just about everybody knows are not new and unique in GW2 and were never claimed to be new and unique :)





    If this was a thread about listing new and unique features, youd have a point. But its about hype, so thanks for the lesson in taking things out of context :)

    Totally in context and here is why.

    Glass half empty or glass half full?

    You look at the game and see the above, a list of things you don't like and so for you, the hype is not real.

    Others (myself included) look at the game see things much different, and/or are OK with some of the things you listed, so for us/me, the hype is real.

  • GWFandaddyGWFandaddy Member Posts: 180

    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     




    Originally posted by GeezerGamer





    Originally posted by DannyGlover

    The hype is definitely real. A lot of people believe this will save the genre. Which is sad, but nonetheless real.






    I see GWII providing the genre with huge stepping stones in a good direction. But I don't see it as the game that will be the one to actually carry the genre over to that place.



     

    Cash shops, esport, fake faction pvp, instanced personal storylines, generic crafting. These are all huge steps in the wrong direction (in my personal opinion) a lot of people think these are steps in the right direction for th genre, which is a little depressing.



    Ok, without debating every point you make, why dislike the personal story?  My understanding is that it's like a single player RPG within the mmo, that you can have someone else participate in.  Which gives the player more choice.  You can play  single player pve with or without friends, mmo pve, or pvp.  How is giving the player more choices, a bad thing?  Seems like to me Anet are providing an opportunity for a wider range of people to find something they will like.  I can understand, though not agree with, why some don't like certain aspects of the game. Not liking players having options to find a way to enjoy the game.........I don't get.  That's ok though, no need to explain it to me.  I'll just choose to be dumbfounded on this one.

    I guess I would like you to answer 1 question.  How do you have a personal story, within an mmo, that's not instanced?  My guess is that "instanced" has become such a bad word in the mmo community, that you're judging based on that fact alone, regardless of how it actually plays.  But, that could just be me

  • SomsbalSomsbal Member Posts: 222

    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     




    Originally posted by BadSpock





    Originally posted by DannyGlover












    Cash shops, esport, fake faction pvp, instanced personal storylines, generic crafting.





    That was a really good job only listing the things that just about everybody knows are not new and unique in GW2 and were never claimed to be new and unique :)





    If this was a thread about listing new and unique features, youd have a point. But its about hype, so thanks for the lesson in taking things out of context :)

     



  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,979

    Originally posted by Somsbal



    Nice.

    But man do I hate when my awesome replies are stuck at the end of the previous page. How many people will go back a page and look for a rebuttal?

  • silvermembersilvermember Member UncommonPosts: 526

    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     




    Originally posted by GeezerGamer





    Originally posted by DannyGlover

    The hype is definitely real. A lot of people believe this will save the genre. Which is sad, but nonetheless real.






    I see GWII providing the genre with huge stepping stones in a good direction. But I don't see it as the game that will be the one to actually carry the genre over to that place.



     

    Cash shops, esport, fake faction pvp, instanced personal storylines, generic crafting. These are all huge steps in the wrong direction (in my personal opinion) a lot of people think these are steps in the right direction for th genre, which is a little depressing.

    Fortunately for me, not a lot of  peole share the opinion as you.

    Cash shop as long as its not p2win as in giving a power advantage I couldn't achieve through normal gameplay is just fine with me. I hate the thought of paying  sub AND having to pay for account services AND  paying for expansion, the question is what am I paying for then?

    Faction PvP, unless its a 3 faction system, 2 faction systems are bad and ineffective. Also, factions don't generally add much to gameplay that gw2 "fake" faction doesn't offer, well except 100% open world which I hate (griefing and what not) so win-win for me.

    instance personal story: how is that different from a game where a lot of the story happen in raids like WoW. Also I like the instance story because it allows them to do things that couldn't be done in an open world setting. It probably will give my choices more value than it would be in an open world. 

    Crafting: guild wars 2 crafting while not an upgrade from any games current system in terms of interface, I could argue it is an upgrade in terms of the items you can make. Guild wars 2 is probably one of the few themepark MMOs were crafted gear is not weaker than gear of the similar level. That is an improvement to people that like crafting.

  • VolkonVolkon Member UncommonPosts: 3,748

    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Totally in context and here is why.

    Glass half empty or glass half full?

    You look at the game and see the above, a list of things you don't like and so for you, the hype is not real.

    Others (myself included) look at the game see things much different, and/or are OK with some of the things you listed, so for us/me, the hype is real.

    I swear I'm the only one that simply sees half a glass of water, both half empty and half full at the same time. sigh...

    Oderint, dum metuant.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254

    Originally posted by Volkon

    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Totally in context and here is why.

    Glass half empty or glass half full?

    You look at the game and see the above, a list of things you don't like and so for you, the hype is not real.

    Others (myself included) look at the game see things much different, and/or are OK with some of the things you listed, so for us/me, the hype is real.

    I swear I'm the only one that simply sees half a glass of water, both half empty and half full at the same time. sigh...

    I think its more likely you are delusional enough to believe that.

  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,979

    Originally posted by Volkon

    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Totally in context and here is why.

    Glass half empty or glass half full?

    You look at the game and see the above, a list of things you don't like and so for you, the hype is not real.

    Others (myself included) look at the game see things much different, and/or are OK with some of the things you listed, so for us/me, the hype is real.

    I swear I'm the only one that simply sees half a glass of water, both half empty and half full at the same time. sigh...

    Just a commonly used expression :)

    I'm one of those folks who when asked that question, "half full or half empty?" will usually say "both" or "neither".

  • DraftbeerDraftbeer Member UncommonPosts: 517

    Originally posted by Volkon

    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Totally in context and here is why.

    Glass half empty or glass half full?

    You look at the game and see the above, a list of things you don't like and so for you, the hype is not real.

    Others (myself included) look at the game see things much different, and/or are OK with some of the things you listed, so for us/me, the hype is real.

    I swear I'm the only one that simply sees half a glass of water, both half empty and half full at the same time. sigh...

    I have to admit that sounds a bit odd to me.

    Are we talking about multiple personalities here?image

  • UnlightUnlight Member Posts: 2,540

    Originally posted by GeezerGamer

    Originally posted by Unlight


    Originally posted by Kyleran

    For some folks, yes, this title will be the ultimate fullfillment of their gaming dreams.

    For others, not so much.

     

    That pretty much hits the nail on the head. 

    It's got pretty much everything I've ever been looking for in a game and almost none of the crap I've loathed for years.  To me, the hype is right on.  For others who don't share my perpective on games, it won't be.  Nor should it.

    I think that's a great way to look at it. But for me, I wish it was that simple. There are a lot of things in GW2 that I am foaming at the mouth to sink my teeth into. But at the same time, there are things that continue to drive me to play my current game that won't be in GW2.

    In the end though, it changes nothing. The solutions is clear. I will buy it and play it to my heart's content. And from there, who knows.

    Yeah.  Even though I'm at one end of the spectrum, there will be plenty of shades in between. 

  • FlawSGIFlawSGI Member UncommonPosts: 1,379

    Originally posted by gainesvilleg

    To be honest, the more I have seen the less I have liked.  Cash shop was just the last straw to be honest.  I was once hyped for this game

     

     Not to sound like an a-hole but this is inaccurate. Your post history tells a completely different story and although you didn't use to come across as hostile as you do now, I didn't remember you ever really saying anything positive about the game so I decided to look in case I was wrong.  

     

    Since I have actually played the game I can honestly say that the hype is real for me. I have never followed a game the way I have GW2 and I don't make it out to be more than it actually is. I still see more people who dislike the game claiming that the GW2 followers think it is the messiah of the MMO community while actual posts liek that are few and far between and almost always bait. While the hype level is  personal to each person, I feel they are delivering on what they said so unless you based hype off of unsupported ideas, there is no reason to be let down. The CS info was a little disheartening for some since there was really no info on what was in there so I can see the uproar over it but the rest has been an open book.

    RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  • DannyGloverDannyGlover Member Posts: 1,277


    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Originally posted by DannyGlover


    Originally posted by BadSpock



    That was a really good job only listing the things that just about everybody knows are not new and unique in GW2 and were never claimed to be new and unique :)




    If this was a thread about listing new and unique features, youd have a point. But its about hype, so thanks for the lesson in taking things out of context :)

    Totally in context and here is why.
    Glass half empty or glass half full?
    You look at the game and see the above, a list of things you don't like and so for you, the hype is not real.
    Others (myself included) look at the game see things much different, and/or are OK with some of the things you listed, so for us/me, the hype is real.

    I never said the hype wasn't real. In fact I said it was all too real hehe. I agree that we see what we want to see. I see things that are taking the genre in the wrong direction. Others see the stuff that takes the genre forward. I guess its just whats important to you. Not really half empty or full here, but rather where you draw lines for expectations in entertainment. Avatar had amazing special effects and in one way pushed the genre forward, but the actual story and acting in that movie was a step back. Neither viewpoint is wrong. After all, its all just wasting time with expendable income and our opinions on such.

    I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.

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