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Jack of all trades still exists and about 10,000% more than more class based mmos.
Any class can still take open skill sets that offer tanking, healing, dps, utility, etc. You may simply have more limited options over another class that specializes a little more in a certain area.
The game wants class identity. Due to this there is indeed some limitation but you can still have a tank Dragonknight and a Tank sorc. They may very well tank equally ... they just wont' tank the same and this EXACTLY is what the developers wanted.
You can be anything ... you will just be slightly different doing the same thing as another class. Every single mmo that is 100% open for skill selection turns into templated fotm builds. So now instead of having top guilds using the exact same ranged dps build, the exact same tank, the exact same melee and same healing builds, TESO will have 4 slightly different (but mostly the same in effect) versions of each adding a great deal more variety in game.
I would be completely against the class system if there were not enough skill sets to choose from but I feel they provided just enough as I can think of a ton of builds for each class when looking a skill databases. Of course I still hope more skills are added to game in the near future.
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They may not like it. They may like it. They may accept the change. They may not.
That is for them to decide and you cannot speak for everyone. The game is different and therefore there is little chance the exact same joy will occur. I will be different but no always bad. Express your feelings if you must but please stop globally projecting them on others. It is a very weak point to stand on.
That said, if your are going to approach TESO comparing it only to Skyrim then yes, there is room for disappointment. There has to be as the game is different in many areas and may be too much of a change for many. This is evident from what is revealed. Which leads to the question: "If you know it is different than Skyrim ... why are you only comparing it to Skyrim?"
My concern (among others I can't mention due to NDA) is about the systems not in the game that Skyrim did have. If those were added to TESO would it make it even more like Skyrim? Or are they just going to continue saying, "Ya it has 90% of the sandbox elements now but they are still different ... therefore crap!". I ponder if stubbornness exceeds common sense at that point. Prior to these systems existing it is a very valid point.
I have to ask: Is Skyrim truly the sandbox people think it is? Can you build entire cities? Are you the founder of a town or guild? Are you the soul creator of the economy? Can you siege castles? Or perhaps are you just able to walk around freely and think it is a sandbox?
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Well the game isn't bad ... but I agree. It isn't like Skyrim. It's an MMO with a Skyrim skin. If you like current Themepark MMO games, you will probably like this game. If you are in it for the Elder Scrolls part of it, you will probably be very disappointed.
MMO themepark standards, it's pretty darn good. TES standards ... doesn't even come close really. I had more fun playing TERA Beta, kept me entertained for far longer.
I was super excited when they first announced a TES MMO. I thought it was going to be the MMO to end my search for a true sandbox action mmo. lol boy was I wrong XD.
For many people Skyrim was the first ES game they played, I know many people that had never touched an RPG game in their life and then bought Skyrim and played it forever. These same people are so excited for ESO and are expecting Skyrim with multiplayer but I know what they are getting in to and I can not let my friends waste money on this just as I would tell them if a movie is worth paying $20 to go see.
You can't just slap ES lore on a standard mmo and call it good.
I fully understand your point. I have been through the same thing many times. My first mmo was Asheron's Call and was out of my mind excited (due to me being younger and newer to mmos in the old school era I guess we call it) for AC2 ... then shattered to find out they went an entirely different approach (open skill system to class system and a precursor to sandbox games to a something with more themepark elements. Very upsetting).
My point though is that even the developers of TESO are saying, "Please don't compare TESO to Skyrim. We made it similar yet different and here is why ... ". Now when someone tells me not to compare something directly and also tells me why I don't stubbornly go ahead do it. I try to approach it with an open mind and then decide for myself.
I am not trying to convince anyone to like or dislike TESO. Make up your own mind based upon what the developers are designing for you. We can't change the game. It is a waste of time to hope for something different than what it is.
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Ditto. I'm in the same camp as you. ESO is a different animal, and an unkept one at that.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
Perhaps I might be wrong but imagine Elder Scrolls with excactly the same feature's from the singleplayer game where every player can make his/her character the way they can in the sp games. I think that would be a data nightmare
I actually like both options to be free to make what ever type of character/skill I want to but also like having to actually think about what class might suite me best and what kind of +/- those classes might have in regards to skills/abilities.
I don't agree with your assessment of "doesn't even come close really". I do agree with your assessment of "by MMO themepark standards". I think a better assessment is it made single player game sacrifices because it is an MMO, but that's just my opinion.
All I know is that most MMOs I have tried to enjoy lately have kept me 3-6 months max because I like to find things and explore...and I'm not just talking about jumping puzzles like in Wildstar and their psuedo explorer class or datacrons in TOR. That is not true exploring. I want to go out and find the quests, find a dungeon, find a cave and go see whats inside, regardless if a quest leads me there or not. This game WILL still allow for that, just not to the degree of Skyrim because it is leveled. However, if a zone feels big, and in this game I believe they will feel big, then it will satisfy my need to explore as I know for a fact that this game isn't hub based questing.
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I do like exploring just as the next person but I can't really comment on it in ESO other wise I would technically break NDA.
The NDA really makes it hard to really have any meaningful conversation about the game lol.
You either, didn't play the game and have no idea what you are talking about, or you played the game and can't talk about it -.-
I realize all games have NDA at some point, but ESO is overly strict about it.
Why? Not everyone who likes Skyrim likes it for exactly the same reasons. If you don't know what it is someone liked about that game, you can't state with any certainty that ESO won't scratch the same itch.
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Yea the NDA is crazy, but I am still going to lol at the green text
Perfect example of trolling while hiding behind the NDA.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Even if I reply and break the NDA the post will be removed.... I would love nothing more than for everyone to know what I know about the game but they are going to great lengths to hide the truth.
Dude...
By this point there are thousands who know...makes it very easy to spot a troll who comes into this forum today posting the same nonsense one liners in several threads pretending to speak from superior secret knowledge...
Enjoy your little game while it lasts... once the NDA drop you're opinions will be seen for what they really are
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
That's all any of this is... opinions. By your logic every post with an opinion is trolling.
I know exactly what ESO is and that is why myself and everyone I play with is staying away.
Your loss... have fun in EQcraft world
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
With the unhealthy amount of timed I have put into minecraft I will have lots of fun in EQnext and landmark and I when I want a true ES experiance I will continue to play Skyrim.
If you want a true ES experience, play Daggerfall. Skyrim is the lobotomized version, and doesn't even have the excuse of needing to make compromises as a MMO.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
I think it's pretty funny how you say "nonsense one liners" and then do the same XD.
Others are giving their opinion on ESO, and you are giving your opinion on EQN. Don't think any of it is trolling.
However, your one liner is in a worse position because no one has even tried EQN at all yet. Though I do know you very well, and your hate against F2P games. All the more reason why i never take your opinions seriously, because it's a very biased one.
No offense, but I personally don't judge a game based on payment model. I judge games based on the game itself. I don't hold back my hate for P2P payment model, but I never say the games that use P2P model are bad. In fact, I thought ESO was going to be a fairly great game. I was one of those who stuck up for it. I am not so sure I will stick up for it anymore.
Also, to someone who doesn't want to play a particular game .. how exactly is it their loss if they don't play? You wouldn't be losing anything if you didn't want to play to begin with.
Personally, I honestly don't care if this game goes F2P .. I still probably won't spend to much time on it. I am tired of all the same cloned themepark mmo games.
I thought I'd pop in here and give you guys a great read I found from The DEV interview on Polygon, and GAME INFORMER mags thoughts on SKYRIM as ESO
Its talks about what SKYRIM fans can Expect from ESO.. You'll notice all the key elements of ES and SKYRIM, which makes these games really what they are, are being put into ESO.
Also a lot of fans of other mmorpg's will also see things they like in their games being put into the game. Hope this helps when you are trying to figure out what key parts of SKYRIM are in ESO. This shows EVERY key component of SKYRIM in ESO.
THE DEV INTERVIEW on POLYGON.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/5/4590240/elder-scrolls-online-is-becoming-a-lot-more-like-a-skyrim-mmo
Quote from link:
"Elder Scrolls is becoming a lot more like a Skyrim MMO" - Griffen McElroy
Proof that ESO recognizes the amount of SUCCESS ESO will gain by SKYRIM FANS. Which is the whole point of my thread
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_elder_scrolls_online/b/pc/archive/2012/05/11/what-elder-scrolls-online-offers-skyrim-fans-mmo-players.aspx
Quote from link:
"Nonetheless, writing off ESO as “just another MMO” or “WoW with daedra” is doing this ambitious project a grave disservice." -Adam Biessener Game Informer.
Another one.
http://www.gamefront.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-preview-its-like-skyrim-online/
Quote from link:
"If you enjoyed Skyrim and its DLCs, you’re going to enjoy TESO. It hits everything that made Skyrim great" - Dan O'Halloran
Enjoy!
First of all . .every single one of those articles are old. Second, they are all someone else opinion. Why should it matter if they said it, or you said, or anyone else said it? I don't see how that counts as proof of anything. Game informer could tell you it's the end of the world, doesn't make it true.
Just let people decide for themselves instead of trying to convince everyone that this is somehow going to be some miracle of a game. I don't think anyone is insane enough to actually believe it's going to be exactly like Skyrim.
Do you even have any idea how hard it would be to make an MMO be exactly like Skyrim? To many thing in TES series don't translate well to MMOs. It just doesn't work.
Frankly, it feels like you are trying to hard, trolling, or just very delusional.
I think if you read the DEV interview, you see that they recognize SKYRIM fans and are willing to change things to make it as much SKYRIM as possible, First person VIEW for example, they knew it would cost a lot but the did it anyways. The fact that they would even do this, shows they are working hard behind those doors making this game SKYRIM.. Even if you don't see it yet, the devs words alone should carry weight more then anyone with NDA's or otherwise.
They put First person view in just because of fans, that says a lot about their creditworthiness when they say that this game is SKYRIM ONLINE. I'm none of those last offensive remarks at the end, but I do read, and I read a lot, that's why I can say what I say, its all backed up ty interviews and footage, and things that are FACTS.
It helps if you were to link some footage for us and show us the things you don't like, put the minute of the video or the words of a dev and tell us what they said and what you don't like about it.... if you don't use FACTS or links, how can people TRUST your word over a game company whos TRUST IS ALREADY PROVEN.
I wanted to address this last part seperatly because its at the heart of everything I been trying to say.
First Person View, something that is AMAZINGLY HARD to put into an MMO and is in SKYRIM. They have put it into ESO despite costs and it NOT TRANSLATING over to a MMO easily, and would take tremendous amounts of updates for the content to do this in the future, AND THEY DO IT!, and to see the DEV say that 30-40% of the players right now are USING IT!
That's to what extent they are willing to go to TRANSLATE skyrim into ESO.... So when you sound shocked that they are adding features from SKYRIM into ESO that are wayyy too hard in your eyes to put into ESO, its because what I'm trying to tell you is actually happening if your watching the Official game videos and Devs words. The IMPOSSIBLE is not Delusional, its ACTUALLY happening, and only one piece of proof is the First Person View.