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Why This game will be as successful as SKYRIM and past ES games.
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To me that shouts out "haven't got a clue about the IP or how to design games". I mean to not even think about first person view in an ES game is just indicative of their design process so far...clueless till someone (fans) point out the obvious.
Honestly, not something to pat them on the back about.
First person view isn't hard to put into an MMO .. what are you even talking about -.-? It's no different then putting it in any other game.
I still think you are rather delusional. There is no need to be this strongly opinionated about a game. It's great you think this game will be soooo amazing. I am here to tell you though, not everyone sees it that way, and you will never convince anyone to see it the way you do.
So just give up, because all you are doing right now is looking overly obsessive. It's rather ridiculous.
Exactly, I was kinda shocked they didn't automatically assume it should be in the game. -.- it's one of TES Series big features.
Let's put it this way, I assumed First person was in ESO, then later found out that they put it in AFTER fans complained. I was like, seriously? O.o That should have never even been thought about, should have been obvious to put in a first person view.
Also, fistorm, I am a big TES fan .. how come I don't seem to like ESO much? I play Skyrim all the time and love it. Yet I don't seem to love ESO so far. Why is that exactly? Could it be .. that ... it's because it's not like Skyrim? Kinda opposite of what you say.
If you read those DEV words, you can see they did have a HUGE debate over it INTENALY. I think after seeing the reaction and reception of this feature, back in Aug. That is when they really started to know who their player base was going to be. The fans of SKYRIM, so naturally everything after that is going to not even be a debate, they already know who to please with ESO.
I'm sure the next debate over an ES feature came up, the debate became ONE SIDED in favor of ES fans real quick. I think all the video after that has proven that also, and the words of DEVS are a lot more SKYRIM then ever. Which is why I think SKYRIM fans are going to make this game super successful.
Off to bed.
The main reason it was developed firstly in 3rd person is for PVP. No one plays PVP in First Person with any degree of success. Or even collaborative PVE
Its just people trying to be "trendy" as far as i know. Personally i find it annoying.
There is no programming equivalent. there are some languages however that can take expressions like "===" (php) but usually like you say when trying to evaluate equality its "!=" or "==".
These operators used inline don't make any sense
"=" (logical) "/" (arithmetic) "=" (logical)
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I personally played the archery and magic parts of TES games in FP and the rest in 3rd. I know a lot of people who did the same, also a lot of people who didn't.
You are still projecting your own opinions and personal tastes like they were FACTS.
Also, if you don't like it, well don't play it. I just don't get the obsessive hate and need to express it over and over... ah there is a new GW2 article, no one here want to go hate on that' Cmon... the game changes, but the hate stays the same
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When the NDA falls, the discussion will simply continue.
There are obviously people who liked what they saw and people who didn't like what they saw in the beta as well. Stop pretending it's any other way on either side of the argument.
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This whole side argument reminds me of the time someone here laughed at one of my posts and told me "it's not queue dumbass, it's qeu"
I thought the whole world knew that =/= is the common keyboard representation of the not equal sign we all learned in junior high math... apparently I was wrong.
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Yea there is no settling this debate as it's all about personal preferences. The game could sell 10 million copies and have 7 million subs after 6 months and people would cry it a failure because it doesn't have 12. There is no doubt in my mind that TESO will be one of the highest selling initial MMO offering ever, especially when you tack on the June console launch numbers.
It's a very open question on if it can hold that momentum moving forward however. I just don't see where non MMO playing TES fans are going to tolerate having other people messing up their worlds or understand the need for a subscription for what has always been a single player game. They are more likely to just go back to Skyrim instead. That leaves traditional MMO players making up the bulk of it's player base post the first 30 days and we all know how fickle that group can be especially the PVP ones.
If a game uses enough phasing, other people don't "mess up your world," because the parts of the world that actually have multiple possible states will base which state you see on your status in the game, not somebody else's.
Also, it's a little unfair to describe the average MMO player as fickle. It's not fickle when you stop giving someone money when they stop giving you content, which is the pattern people generally follow with games they like. (If they didn't like it, they would be gone after the "free" month.)
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From what I played at Cologne I actually have to disagree. The video is a fair, if not a bit unjust, to the game. It looks good, exploring does yield quests that are not necessarily quest hubs as well as secret crafting stations that allows you the craft special gear.
Remember that lunar forge north west (I think) of Windhelm in Skyrim? That blade found near that forge was pretty nice. It was a nice little experience to find it had it not been absolutely useless to me since I didn't find it until late game.
I actually think that the exploration part is a lot stronger than what it was in Skyrim. Aside from one single part, that is. You could not enter any or all dungeons you find, and even if you can you feel as if maybe you shouldn't because there's probably a quest that leads you back there.
That's the one weakspot of the exploration. But gathering resources for crafting and looking for treasures are far more yielding than they ever were in Skyrim. But my time with the game was limited, I opted to just skip most of the quests in towns and just run straight to intriguing landmarks.
You are right with one small correction - anyone who loved Skyrim (or other TES games) will buy ESO for sure. You know, there are those who did not like Skyrim that much (me included, I prefer RPG with solid plot rather then :just a world"). I am 100% sure the box-sale alone will be huge. And many MMO fans will pay at least 3 months subscription fees. So for the initial sale and first 3 months the game is safe and will report a huge success despite the ordinary graphics (thanks to consoles), bad animation (only NWO has worst), horrible UI (thanks to consoles), traditional team-park gameplay.
Later on console players will realise they have to pay monthly fees, MMO players will understand there is nothing new about this game and game will begin to lose players. 3-side PvP has potential (we have not see it for some time), however the combat is far from perfect and it might not last.
So, my prediction is a huge sales, 3 months of unquestionable success and rapid fall.
*cough* missing high resolution textures *cough* in past stress test *cough*
Read above...
No. At least you could say "thanks to Skyrim" but it's not entirely true. The UI is BY DESIGN minimalistic, so you can SEE the game world and not play looking at 20 hotbars, health bars, minimap, combat log, indicators, menus, buttons, and so on.TESO tries to do everything to fully immerse the player in the game world, UI is just one of this feature
Do you mean "go from quest hub to quest hub with fed-ex style quests just to level up, without no need to explore the world, having a fixed class chosen at character creation with very few or no customization in skills/weapons/armors and then farm equip forever in instanced dungeons" ?This is the traditional (wow-clone) theme park gameplay, and TESO is totally different.
Is TESO a sandbox? No.
Is TESO a themepark? Yes.
Is TESO a WoW-clone themepark? Absolutely not
You do realize there are less than 3 months until release of the game, right? During last beta all options were available. And btw I did not say "bad graphics", I said "ordinary". And yes, consoles play big part in keeping graphics at bay, because of the limitations they have.
As for animations - when you have so many bugs to fix, your priority will be bugs, not anything else. Animation is bad but tolerable and if NWO was able to sell there horror for animation, TESO should not care about it at all.
I would bet any amount of money that neither graphics nor animation will change at release.
By design it's for console. Ok, here you win - horrible for PC players. In Skyrim there were mods making that horror less painful. I am sure here we will get it too. What I meant - MMO players are mostly PC players, and many will find that console UI annoying (like it happened with FFIVX).
You mixed up several different things in one sentence. But answer is the same anyway: sale point of ESO - it's TES in terms of freedom. All I am saying - it's too much of team-park to give the old TES feeling. For many it will be enough to ditch that "next TES" as abomination of the franchises, and for many more others it will be "nothing new here".
Yet, despite all above, I will repeat - we can expect huge sales and initial success for ESO, I have no doubts about it.
However, graphic style is clear for everyone who was in the last beta, it's a graphic style very similar to Skyrim, not too heavy to have a massive scale RvR with lot of players on screen.
I'd wait for open beta / release to give a definitive comment on graphic quality, in the end it's very subjective.
Do you know TESO will run on new generation consoles PS4 and Xbox One that are like PCs with very good graphic cards?So, really, your argument is invalid...
So much bugs that the stress test went amazingly good with only some little bugs with NPCs and quests, nearly zero stability problems and overall a technical quality that most releases MMOs would like to have.Yes, it's not totally perfect, and just like any other software, will never be.
Yes, some bugs are there (I filed about 15 /bug reports) but we are FAR from stress test / weekend of other MMOs during whose was impossible even to login in game...
I play on PC, lot of other playes will be on PC and are lovign the minimalistic UI.Perhaps you are too much used to WoW-clones interface, in those game you just see a little portion of your character and game world, all the rest is covered by chats, icons, quick bars, indicators, arrows, maps, and so on.
TESO is different. You should feel just like you are immersed in the world (and if you like more immersion, there is first person view too) and to achieve that, most of the interface is fading away when not needed or is just essential.
But don't worry, there can be Addons, so you could go back to see just only 5 cm^2 of the world and play on quick bars, maps and all others indicators... if you like playing so...
Skyrim, just to name another "TES game" have great freedom, freedom to explore, to go where you want, to find adventures even not following a linear story/main quest. The same is for TESO. In Skyrim you could do things that could ruin a multiplayer experience (example: killing a quest giver npc) so you could do that in a single player but in a MMO there are other players around you.
Sandbox aspect of Skyrim end here. You can't shape the terrain, just to name a sandbox feature not present in Skyrim, and TESO will be the same.
A lot of people think "Skyrim = sandbox" just because they can change a lot via mod system. This cannot be done in a MMO environment, everyone must have the same client.
The highlighted part is what I'm refering to. I can't speak about my closed beta experiences but at PAX I tried to play the game like I played morrowind or skyrim and it wasn't really possible. At least I didn't get the same "payback" for my efforts.
So sure, you do find quests by exploring. But what if you don't want quests?
So sure, you will find chests among other thigns, quests, some other things I experienced in beta but from what I can talk about, PAX, I never got the "oh, there is a door in that hill, where does that lead" experience, in a satisfying way.
But quests? Sure, I'll give you that.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
So, what you're saying is you aren't a fan of the Elder Scrolls? Because minimalist UI is a hallmark of the series dating back to before it offered console versions. It's not a matter of "by design it's for console" it's a case of "by design it's an Elder Scrolls game."
And I've played FFXIV, it's not a fair comparison.
Don't want quests? So what you are saying is you want to just randomly kill things and loot them, with no narrative structure of any kind? Because if you avoid quests in Elder Scrolls games, that is all you are doing, killing and looting. For most players, a game that consists of absolutely nothing but those two things is going to get boring relatively quickly.
That being said, there is stuff to kill and stuff to loot in ESO, even when you aren't on any quests, so I am not sure what your issue is.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
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I would like to see that in TESO too, but in all honesty, it was the same in Skyrim. You'd end up returning to places you'd already cleared which was just a bother. But of course it's even worse in TESO. But, I believe that they have added dungeons that will be without purpose other than to be explored. But I don't mind it too much, I want an MMO not a multiplayer TES game.
All in all, we should probably let them know how the (most likely) majority of the players feel about the lack of that feeling you described (Highlighted). I'm sure that if it isn't in now, they will most likely add it in the future. Maybe adventure zones?
I replied to your statements with truths that anyone partecipating in the last stress test did see by himself.
Now you reply this way.
Good reply! /sarcasm
Are you actually judging how I play these games?
I supply the narrative structure.
As another point of fact, my roommate, who doens't play video games except the Elder Scrolls games (funny enough) hardly does ANY quests.
That's the beauty of the last few ES games.
I've played several Betas so you don't need to tell me what the game offers. And I can't go into a comparative "analysis" between ESO and say skyrim/morrowind/oblvion because of the NDA.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Not judging it, confused and trying to understand it. The unmodded, developer created versions of Elder Scrolls games are built around questing and a provided narrative structure. In each of the games, you are playing a specific character with a pre-defined story. If you choose to participate in any of the sub-stories, they are pre-defined as well. The only way to functionally have your own narrative is through mods, at which point you are no longer playing an Elder Scrolls game, you are playing something else using the engine from the Elder Scrolls game.
I just have a little trouble wrapping my head around people who claim to be fans of a game series, but appear to have little or no interest in most of the actual content in that game series. It's like someone claiming to be a fan of WoW and then doing absolutely nothing in the game but kill boars in the forest. That's not a WoW fan, it's just someone who likes to kill virtual boars in the woods.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.