Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
Why This game will be as successful as SKYRIM and past ES games.
This discussion has been closed.
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Comments
To my knowledge none.
Sandbox games are something along the lines of Simcity/Theme Park/Hospital/Roller Coaster Tycoon and the king right now, Minecraft to name a few.
If the game does not allow me to terraform, build/destroy all element of the game world it is not a sandbox.
If I could destroy/rebuild/re-design Riften in Skyrim, or even changehow the surrounding landscape looks it would then be a sandbox.
If I could manipulate water flow to power a mill I constructed to grind wheat to make bread to sell it would be a sandbox.
If ES is a sandbox then so is GTA, Farcry and any other open world game. Open World =/= Sandbox.
When an RPG let's me create/destroy the game world then it's a sandbox. The only real sandbox element to Skyrim was the Hearthstone expansion that allowed me to build a house. Even then it was very restrictive with where you could actually build.
Fixed, cause the irony is rich enough to fund a nation.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
A great list of free games (mostly MMORPGs): http://www.mytop10games.com/
I already TRUST you explicitly, please show me the light MASTER! Please let me bath in your shadow so i can absorb all that EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE and maybe some of that CLAIRVOYANCE will rub off on me!
I..I have to agree with -aLpHa- here. You like the game, good for you. A lot won't, a lot will. However, Your narcissism does not make your opinions fact.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Allow me to point you in the direction of either Nexus or Steams Workshop.
Wow, cant believe someone actually posted that as if people don't know about TESs massive sized modding community, one so large that Bethesda worked with the community and steam while making Skyrim to make sure there was a shop setup and tools out in players hands before the game was even released.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
have you played the beta? The games are comparable, ESO does a lot of things right while leveling, beyond that none of us know.
If they continue down this path I would foresee ESO doing very very well, good as skyrim not so much but time will tell if they have good end game beyond pvp.
This will be my go to game for sure tho, right now I am playing SWTOR and that game is pretty much crap compared.
I know about mods. I play a heavily modded version of Skyrim.
I haven't played the game for months but if you could point me in the direction of a mod that turns Skyrim, a non-linear themepark game into a fully destructible world that also have the tools to rebuild structures.
A mod that turns Skyrim into Minecraft I would most certainly check out.
Hopefully that's what EQN is going for.
Dev video Minute 5:36 Proves that ESO WILL BE a SANDBOX, being able to do what you when you want and feel like it... isn't that the true definition of SANDBOX?
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/411
Steam: Neph
Really? You're going to start claiming that ESO is a sandbox now? It's a themepark through and through.
Steam: Neph
The thing is, no one on these forums can agree on what a sandbox is. I've had this debate a number of times.
Ok I will admit it. I am one of those guys on steam with several THOUSAND hours of game time into Skyrim. Should I get a job? Sure, but while I look I can have fun too.
Now, as to ESO being a success. I'm not saying Im in beta or anything... BUT ESO is NOT Skyrim!!! Not by a hair not by a mile. As the game stands now it is highly unlikely I will play it. As its concentrating too much on pvp which is EXACTLY like Guild Wars pvp. And not enough on the ES IP pve. Which sadly includes exploration. Not that there isn't some, its just incredibly limited and the pve plays like a generic mmo.
Its not likely that the game will change between now and launch so. I doubt I will play it.
It's definitely not a sandbox. Even the mmorpg.com staff who reported on the game, wrote about it on this site indicated that it's a themepark.
I can't speak about beta but I can speak about my pax "hands on" and it was a theme park.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
^ Exactly. Though sandbox does imply certain things. And that Dev. is skirting the truth by the mere fact no one can agree on what sandbox is, so it can be said its sandbox no matter what it really is.
The dev video shows that it will be EXACTLY like SKYRIM as far as SANDBOX terms go. I don't see ES doing a game differently then what they tell the public, expecially since they say it was a base concept at the very start of the game and had probably been put into the foundation of the game already. I will agree with the game company as telling the TRUTH until they tell me something otherwise, and so far they have proven in the past they don't lie and have a record of being able to do this with a game. So theres really no reason not to believe this is how they are making the game.
Even further I just want to say that THIS FEATURE, is the main feature that made SKYRIM so great! If you are going to have a SKYRIM ONLINE like the devs say, this has to be part of it, and would defeat the purpose of an online SKYRIM as they put it. So Its hard for me to buy into anything anyone says that's contrary to this. To much data is in favor of the Company, and so is the credibility with everything they showed us so far.
This is for me not the definiton of an rpg sandbox game.
Sandbox mmos are for me for example:
* Eve Online; Vanguard; Ryzom; A Tale in the Desert
* modable Arma i.e. DayZ and yes for me Skyrim is a sandbox aswell, a massive one.
The term sandbox was used before even minecraft was released, a sandbox game is a free-roaming game with a none-linear gameplay.
A sandbox game does not need to have the option to create or destroy the game world.
The opposite of an rpg sandbox game would be for example:
* Age Of Conan
* SWTOR
Mincraft is for me rather a freeform building game with sandbox possibilities.
I think we can all agree we all have a different view of a sandbox, but this is really about how SKYRIM's style of sandbox is what people are going to love in ESO as a skyrim fan and I have no doubt it will be a key part of what will make ESO the next gen mmo that will set the benchmark.
/waves hand to post below, up here, up here. I am defending it!
Holy hell....
you can use the construction tool to move, remove, alter anything, build anything.
Secondly. fully DESTRUCTABLE does not = sandbox.
How much more are we going to change the meanings of the words sandbox and themepark to defend TESO? Cant anyone defend it for what it actually is?
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
I'd love to be detailed about what I personally like. But, NDA. But uh, it's no sandbox. I agree on that.
oh dear ...
With all due respect I think you need to play it before you staunchly defend whether it's a sandbox or themepark.
as I said "I can't talk about beta but I can talk about my pax 'hands on' and it was a theme park"
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
This would be the same people that have stated its open world, when it clearly isn't (part of the world being open is not open world, the word world mean the ENTIRETY). Stated that you are free to create the character you like just like TES games, even though they are class locked and cant use every skill/spell in the game like you can in TES games, meaning you are not free at all, you are bound like in every other class based game with a skill tree that gives you options.
They have twisted so many meanings to try to make it fit TES it just goes to show the thing cant stand on its own. Sure didn't see Bethesda trying to make Skyrim sound like Oblivion or Oblivion like Marrowind...........
It will take years to get over the fact they stated they put in 1st person to satisfy those saying it wasn't TES enough. They have no respect for gamers intellect. Guess we all know who they are targeting for their audience.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
"The dev video shows that it will be EXACTLY like SKYRIM as far as SANDBOX terms go"
Most of the weekend tester probably cant tell you this since the time was too short to see everything, it was only a weekend and maybe with a lvl cap. They dont know high level areas or how questing looks like in these areas, how the adventuring is possible. And we all know that at the first lower levels the game world is often a bit more restricted like in many other games and that you will find of course some quests around the next corner.
But there is one thing for sure, you cant make an mmo exactly like Skyrim.
Skyrim with a co-op feature would do the trick and this would be actually amazing.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/411 Minute 6:40 of video explains end game 50+ ( they say three things, you can PVP, or Heroic Raids, or going into an AVENTURE ZONE, which is the 50+ sandbox areas)
If you watch the dev video, and sometimes it takes a couple times to watch to understand what they are saying, but it tells you how it will be at 50+ and how it works at that lvl. Even shows what appears to be a few group dungeons.