Why This game will be as successful as SKYRIM and past ES games.

Pratt2112 · January 2014

Originally posted by SlyLoK

Indeed. I hope the NDA drops soon so people who are calling ESO just another themepark can finally see why they are wrong.

Or.... they could elaborate on their reasoning, give specific examples, comparisons and explanations, and provide a compelling case for how they're right...

That street goes both ways, and neither direction is a guaranteed "win".

CazNeerg · January 2014

Originally posted by CthulhuPuffs

Mine are based on Personal Observation.

And the way I see it, its a Themepark pure and simple.

Much in the same way a friend of mine finds large women attractive. My personal observation is, they are not attractive at all.

Themepark and "standard" themepark have different implications. Also, if your personal observations are made without playing the game, they are uninformed, and if they are made having played the game, you shouldn't be sharing them.

SlyLoK · January 2014

Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by SlyLoK

Indeed. I hope the NDA drops soon so people who are calling ESO just another themepark can finally see why they are wrong.

Or.... they could elaborate on their reasoning, give specific examples, comparisons and explanations, and provide a compelling case for how they're right...

That street goes both ways, and neither direction is a guaranteed "win".

Well right now one side can say what they want without anything and the other side even having specifics could not share them. It is a bit uneven at the moment.

Sovrath · January 2014

Originally posted by fistorm

I'm sry if you see it that way, but I was making a valid point on how SKYRIM players are supporting the game or it wouldn't be even this close to popular.

oh really?

Well, I have 953 hours in Skyrim and I have played ESO and they are not the same.

Now, I don't know how these adventure zones are going to manifest so maybe that does add a "more sandbox" portion to the game but the game is a themepark.

Believe me I'd love ESO to be like Skryim and that's how I attempted to play it at both PAX events. And, once the NDA is lifted I will go into more depth about my impressions of ESO.

CazNeerg · January 2014

You already went into more depth than you should have. Without commenting at all on ESO, I just want to point out that Skyrim isn't a sandbox unless you use mods, and mods of the type you see in offline Elder Scrolls games aren't really something you ever see in online games.

fistorm · January 2014

I don't think ESO is a themepark like some people say, heres why.

First you have the video they released on exploration and gathering, an interactive world which has tons of objects for crafting and hidden chests, books you can read that give deep story. A lot of MMO have forgotten the meaning of exploration and the true hunt for treasure. I have not seen a game so interactive with objects ever in an MMO, it also is exactly like the exploration and hidden objects like SKYRIM.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/567 Exploration and gathering.

When was the last time you seen this in an MMO? Its been forever, in fact I don't think there has ever been this in an MMO yet.

Second the Quests they talk about in this next video they released are the type you do them when ever you want and what ever you want to choose and towns change to actually recognize what you did (ever changing world) and treat you accordingly. Quests can be events the devs said, where have you seen this kind of dynamic questing where quests can be events in the game like this?

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/411 minute 5:36

When was the last time you seen questing in the form of exploring? Also to have a town recognize your deeds like this afterwards? Which must mean that everyones world is different somehow even though we all live in it.

Its exactly like SKYRIM, I think if you think SKYRIM was a themepark and ESO is exactly like a themepark, that's a fair statement, but if your think SKYRIM wasn't a themepark, its not fair to think ESO is!

CthulhuPuffs · January 2014

Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by CthulhuPuffs

Mine are based on Personal Observation.

And the way I see it, its a Themepark pure and simple.

Much in the same way a friend of mine finds large women attractive. My personal observation is, they are not attractive at all.

Themepark and "standard" themepark have different implications. Also, if your personal observations are made without playing the game, they are uninformed, and if they are made having played the game, you shouldn't be sharing them.

My observations were made from playing the Public Demos at the few events it was shown.

There is no NDA ( I never signed or agreed to anything) when playing at those events. Since they are Public.

Sovrath · January 2014

Originally posted by fistorm
I don't think ESO is a themepark like some people say, heres why.

First you have the video they released on exploration and gathering, an interactive world which has tons of objects for crafting and hidden chests, books you can read that give deep story. A lot of MMO have forgotten the meaning of exploration and the true hunt for treasure. I have not seen a game so interactive with objects ever in an MMO, it also is exactly like the exploration and hidden objects like SKYRIM.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/567   Exploration and gathering.

When was the last time you seen this in an MMO? Its been forever, in fact I don't think there has ever been this in an MMO yet.

Second the Quests they talk about in this next video they released are the type you do them when ever you want and what ever you want to choose and towns change to actually recognize what you did (ever changing world) and treat you accordingly.   Quests can be events the devs said, where have you seen this kind of dynamic questing where quests can be events in the game like this?

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/411   minute 5:36

When was the last time you seen questing as exploring?   Also to have a town recognize your deeds like this afterwards?   Which must mean that everyones world is different somehow even though we all live in it.

Its exactly like SKYRIM, I think if you think SKYRIM was a themepark and ESO is exactly like a themepark, that's a fair statement, but if your think SKYRIM wasn't a themepark, its not fair to think ESO is!

I think you are getting caught up in "soundbites" and "blurbs".

Just because someone says "x is y" doesn't mean that it is what you think it is.

Let's put it in perspective.

When SWToR was in development one of the developers said the combat was something to the effect of "epic" and so players donned their idea of what that meant, played it and then there was a huge backlash. And it was just a harmless comment.

Would you say Lord of the Rings online was a sandbox? Becaues you can go off and discover thigns and craft things and it's still a themepark.

As for me, discovering chests and bits and bobs are fun but "exploration" to me is yielding a new adventure. In skyrim, morrowind, I can head out in any direction and disover a whole new tomb, a whole new ruin a whole niew town. That's what exploration means to me.

Discovering a chest is nice but how many times are you going to see a chest behind a rock and realize it is just pulling from the same loot tables as the chests before it?

Heck, even in skyrim I don't look in dressers anymore because I pretty much know what I'm going to find and i dont' need it.

As I've said, I've played 953 hours of Skyrim and I've played ESO (and let's draw upon my PAX experience (at this juncture) for that and I'm telling you they are different games.

Now, if the adventure zones pan out then "w00t" I'm in luck and a happy boy. And if the pvp doesn't boil down to "flipping keeps" then I'm even luckier.

But until we really see how those pan out, "they are different games".

fistorm · January 2014

It shows it to you in the videos, its not just words, IF you WATCH the VIDEO, you can SEE with your own eyes what it looks like!! Its not just someone coming out and lying, its a video to show you what it looks like.

Video Proof does not LIE.

Watch the videos and turn it up to 1080p on settings and SEE IT YOURSELF!

CthulhuPuffs · January 2014

Originally posted by fistorm
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by fistorm
I don't think ESO is a themepark like some people say, heres why.

First you have the video they released on exploration and gathering, an interactive world which has tons of objects for crafting and hidden chests, books you can read that give deep story. A lot of MMO have forgotten the meaning of exploration and the true hunt for treasure. I have not seen a game so interactive with objects ever in an MMO, it also is exactly like the exploration and hidden objects like SKYRIM.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/567   Exploration and gathering.

When was the last time you seen this in an MMO? Its been forever, in fact I don't think there has ever been this in an MMO yet.

Second the Quests they talk about in this next video they released are the type you do them when ever you want and what ever you want to choose and towns change to actually recognize what you did (ever changing world) and treat you accordingly.   Quests can be events the devs said, where have you seen this kind of dynamic questing where quests can be events in the game like this?

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/411   minute 5:36

When was the last time you seen questing as exploring?   Also to have a town recognize your deeds like this afterwards?   Which must mean that everyones world is different somehow even though we all live in it.

Its exactly like SKYRIM, I think if you think SKYRIM was a themepark and ESO is exactly like a themepark, that's a fair statement, but if your think SKYRIM wasn't a themepark, its not fair to think ESO is!

I think you are getting caught up in "soundbites" and "blurbs".

Just because someone says "x is y" doesn't mean that it is what you think it is.

Let's put it in perspective.

When SWToR was in development one of the developers said the combat was something to the effect of "epic" and so players donned their idea of what that meant, played it and then there was a huge backlash. And it was just a harmless comment.

Would you say Lord of the Rings online was a sandbox? Becaues you can go off and discover thigns and craft things and it's still a themepark.

As for me, discovering chests and bits and bobs are fun but "exploration" to me is yielding a new adventure. In skyrim, morrowind, I can head out in any direction and disover a whole new tomb, a whole new ruin a whole niew town. That's what exploration means to me.

Discovering a chest is nice but how many times are you going to see a chest behind a rock and realize it is just pulling from the same loot tables as the chests before it?

Heck, even in skyrim I don't look in dressers anymore because I pretty much know what I'm going to find and i dont' need it.

As I've said, I've played 953 hours of Skyrim and I've played ESO (and let's draw upon my PAX experience (at this juncture) for that and I'm telling you they are different games.

Now, if the adventure zones pan out then "w00t" I'm in luck and a happy boy. And if the pvp doesn't boil down to "flipping keeps" then I'm even luckier.

But until we really see how those pan out, "they are different games".

It shows it to you in the videos, its not just words, IF you WATCH the VIDEO, you can SEE with your own eyes what it looks like!!     Its not just someone coming out and lying, its a video to show you what it looks like.

Video Proof does not LIE.

Why should he watch some Developer created video when he has personally played both games?

OMG! VEEDEEO! IT MUST BE TRU!

Yeah, because we all know videos cant be edited, cut and pasted to make things look better

/eyeroll

Sovrath · January 2014

Originally posted by fistorm
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by fistorm
I don't think ESO is a themepark like some people say, heres why.

First you have the video they released on exploration and gathering, an interactive world which has tons of objects for crafting and hidden chests, books you can read that give deep story. A lot of MMO have forgotten the meaning of exploration and the true hunt for treasure. I have not seen a game so interactive with objects ever in an MMO, it also is exactly like the exploration and hidden objects like SKYRIM.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/567   Exploration and gathering.

When was the last time you seen this in an MMO? Its been forever, in fact I don't think there has ever been this in an MMO yet.

Second the Quests they talk about in this next video they released are the type you do them when ever you want and what ever you want to choose and towns change to actually recognize what you did (ever changing world) and treat you accordingly.   Quests can be events the devs said, where have you seen this kind of dynamic questing where quests can be events in the game like this?

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/411   minute 5:36

When was the last time you seen questing as exploring?   Also to have a town recognize your deeds like this afterwards?   Which must mean that everyones world is different somehow even though we all live in it.

Its exactly like SKYRIM, I think if you think SKYRIM was a themepark and ESO is exactly like a themepark, that's a fair statement, but if your think SKYRIM wasn't a themepark, its not fair to think ESO is!

I think you are getting caught up in "soundbites" and "blurbs".

Just because someone says "x is y" doesn't mean that it is what you think it is.

Let's put it in perspective.

When SWToR was in development one of the developers said the combat was something to the effect of "epic" and so players donned their idea of what that meant, played it and then there was a huge backlash. And it was just a harmless comment.

Would you say Lord of the Rings online was a sandbox? Becaues you can go off and discover thigns and craft things and it's still a themepark.

As for me, discovering chests and bits and bobs are fun but "exploration" to me is yielding a new adventure. In skyrim, morrowind, I can head out in any direction and disover a whole new tomb, a whole new ruin a whole niew town. That's what exploration means to me.

Discovering a chest is nice but how many times are you going to see a chest behind a rock and realize it is just pulling from the same loot tables as the chests before it?

Heck, even in skyrim I don't look in dressers anymore because I pretty much know what I'm going to find and i dont' need it.

As I've said, I've played 953 hours of Skyrim and I've played ESO (and let's draw upon my PAX experience (at this juncture) for that and I'm telling you they are different games.

Now, if the adventure zones pan out then "w00t" I'm in luck and a happy boy. And if the pvp doesn't boil down to "flipping keeps" then I'm even luckier.

But until we really see how those pan out, "they are different games".

It shows it to you in the videos, its not just words, IF you WATCH the VIDEO, you can SEE with your own eyes what it looks like!!     Its not just someone coming out and lying, its a video to show you what it looks like.

You know, I've watched the video. And it doesn't "prove" anything. I can make the same video in lotro. I'm not saying they are lying but I suspect that there is "the truth" and "the truth"

But the truth is we will play it in a few weeks and we can come back and have another discussion.

At least from my point of view I'm talking about having played both games. You might have played skyrim (don't remember if you siad you did) but you haven't played ESO I gather.

fistorm · January 2014

Watch those two videos on 1080p and full screen it, how can that now WOW you away!

In that video it talks about how they are bringing both ES fans and MMO fans together also, this was done in 11/08/12 at the very birth of the game. They want the game to be just like we SKYRIM fans and past ES games want!!! That's their very first video they ever made also. I think if you wont listen or watch Official Video how can I convince you then?

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/411

Dr_Shivinski · January 2014

It's Elder Scrolls in name only. Don't get all excited over publisher hype videos.

Sovrath · January 2014

Originally posted by fistorm
Watch those two videos on 1080p and full screen it, how can that now WOW you away!

In that video it talks about how they are bringing both ES fans and MMO fans together also, this was done in 11/08/12 at the very birth of the game. They want the game to be just like we SKYRIM fans and past ES games want!!! That's their very first video they ever made also. I think if you wont listen or watch Official Video how can I convince you then?

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/411

ok, are you getting that I've played it?

Are you getting that I can't go into detail because of the nda?

spizz · January 2014

Originally posted by fistorm
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by fistorm
I don't think ESO is a themepark like some people say, heres why.

First you have the video they released on exploration and gathering, an interactive world which has tons of objects for crafting and hidden chests, books you can read that give deep story. A lot of MMO have forgotten the meaning of exploration and the true hunt for treasure. I have not seen a game so interactive with objects ever in an MMO, it also is exactly like the exploration and hidden objects like SKYRIM.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/567   Exploration and gathering.

When was the last time you seen this in an MMO? Its been forever, in fact I don't think there has ever been this in an MMO yet.

Second the Quests they talk about in this next video they released are the type you do them when ever you want and what ever you want to choose and towns change to actually recognize what you did (ever changing world) and treat you accordingly.   Quests can be events the devs said, where have you seen this kind of dynamic questing where quests can be events in the game like this?

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/411   minute 5:36

When was the last time you seen questing as exploring?   Also to have a town recognize your deeds like this afterwards?   Which must mean that everyones world is different somehow even though we all live in it.

Its exactly like SKYRIM, I think if you think SKYRIM was a themepark and ESO is exactly like a themepark, that's a fair statement, but if your think SKYRIM wasn't a themepark, its not fair to think ESO is!

I think you are getting caught up in "soundbites" and "blurbs".

Just because someone says "x is y" doesn't mean that it is what you think it is.

Let's put it in perspective.

When SWToR was in development one of the developers said the combat was something to the effect of "epic" and so players donned their idea of what that meant, played it and then there was a huge backlash. And it was just a harmless comment.

Would you say Lord of the Rings online was a sandbox? Becaues you can go off and discover thigns and craft things and it's still a themepark.

As for me, discovering chests and bits and bobs are fun but "exploration" to me is yielding a new adventure. In skyrim, morrowind, I can head out in any direction and disover a whole new tomb, a whole new ruin a whole niew town. That's what exploration means to me.

Discovering a chest is nice but how many times are you going to see a chest behind a rock and realize it is just pulling from the same loot tables as the chests before it?

Heck, even in skyrim I don't look in dressers anymore because I pretty much know what I'm going to find and i dont' need it.

As I've said, I've played 953 hours of Skyrim and I've played ESO (and let's draw upon my PAX experience (at this juncture) for that and I'm telling you they are different games.

Now, if the adventure zones pan out then "w00t" I'm in luck and a happy boy. And if the pvp doesn't boil down to "flipping keeps" then I'm even luckier.

But until we really see how those pan out, "they are different games".

It shows it to you in the videos, its not just words, IF you WATCH the VIDEO, you can SEE with your own eyes what it looks like!!     Its not just someone coming out and lying, its a video to show you what it looks like.

Video Proof does not LIE.

Watch the videos and turn it up to 1080p on settings and SEE IT YOURSELF!

Some did upload gameplay videos on youtube from the weekend beta and I wonder they got not deleted yet.

fistorm · January 2014

Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
It's Elder Scrolls in name only. Don't get all excited over publisher hype videos.

It's not really a hpye video, but a video that describes the basics of a game before its developed, so I do believe it because all the videos SHOW YOU what they are doing also, you can SEE it for YOURSELF, even the in depth ones show that this game is exactly like SKYRIM, and when SKYRIM fans realize this, I think this will be the most successful next gen games, that sets a benchmark for all MMORPG's that come after it.

JJ82 · January 2014

Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by fistorm
Watch those two videos on 1080p and full screen it, how can that now WOW you away!

In that video it talks about how they are bringing both ES fans and MMO fans together also, this was done in 11/08/12 at the very birth of the game. They want the game to be just like we SKYRIM fans and past ES games want!!! That's their very first video they ever made also. I think if you wont listen or watch Official Video how can I convince you then?

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/411

ok, are you getting that I've played it?

Are you getting that I can't go into detail because of the nda?

Sometimes its like banging your head against a wall isn't it?

Sovrath · January 2014

Originally posted by JJ82
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by fistorm
Watch those two videos on 1080p and full screen it, how can that now WOW you away!

In that video it talks about how they are bringing both ES fans and MMO fans together also, this was done in 11/08/12 at the very birth of the game. They want the game to be just like we SKYRIM fans and past ES games want!!! That's their very first video they ever made also. I think if you wont listen or watch Official Video how can I convince you then?

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/411

ok, are you getting that I've played it?

Are you getting that I can't go into detail because of the nda?

Sometimes its like banging your head against a wall isn't it?

What else is there to say? I like that he's excited I just think he's in for a rude awakening. At least to how a good portion of the game plays.

CthulhuPuffs · January 2014

Originally posted by fistorm
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
It's Elder Scrolls in name only. Don't get all excited over publisher hype videos.

I do because all the videos even the in depth ones show that this game is exactly like SKYRIM, and when SKYRIM fans realize this, I think this will be the most successful next gen games, that sets a benchmark for all MMORPG's that come after it.

You must be playing a totally different and modified version of Skyrim than everyone else.

It may have some similarities to Skyrim, but EXACTLY is an exaggeration.

Comaf · January 2014

Originally posted by fistorm
Skyrim.   This is why ESO is going to be the next generation of MMO's.   Skyrim, the single player game is a game that pulled many MMO fans away from their MMOs and into a single player game.   I headed over to STEAM to see what other people were saying about Elder Scrolls games and what made them so great. What I found was amazing amount of reviews. http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/reviews/

After reading many of these reviews, I looked at the amount of hours people played on this game.   I found people had played this single player game unrealistic ammounts of hours.   One gamer I found had even played over 4000 hours.   That's equal to 100 weeks of full time work, just about TWO YEARS of gametime, IN just one OFFLINE SINGLE PLAYER   Elder Scrolls Game!!!!!

Elder Scrolls not only has a huge base of RPG fans, but a lot of the gamers I seen on steam had ONLY ONE rpg game on their list...   SKYRIM.   SKYRIM has made so many fans elder scrolls game, and even myself after playing MMO's for many years, SKYRIM is the only OFFLINE game that could ever take me offline.   It was amazing.    A lot of players knew that with SKYRIM, that games have reached a point of realism in gaming that was so real you never wanted to leave it.   SKYRIM was the new standard of not only graphics, but the new benchmark of ignoring all past games and wanting only games of that realism.

Now that I covered the history of Elder Scrolls, It has already proven to be successful and set a new benchmark for how good RPG's to follow are going to have to be to beat it out. Now take this game company and make them online. This is why and how this game will be successful.

Anyone whos ever played SKYRIM, will atleast BUY or TRY ESO.   Because most of those players paid the box price for just SKYRIM, a single player game.   ESO is an Online game, and will last longer then a single player game.   So if people loved SKYRIM to pay box price for it and love it and play it unbelievable hours, even up to 4000 hours, imagine how happy those people would be to play a ONLINE ES game that lasts more hours and gets NEW CONTENT for the whole next decade to come?

Just because of the amount of gamers who bought SKYRIM, many new gamers to RPG will see this kind of RPG as the way games should be made in the future...   After years of ESO being the top game on the charts of all RPG fans, its natural a lot of teens of NEXT GEN gaming will be heavily indoctrinated with this type of game, it will Solidify a new NEXT GEN just as a game like wow did, to be the base benchmark of gamers for this type of old school/next gen RPG, at the very least, a SKYRIM quality or better game benchmark.

1. Yes, I will be playing. I can't wait. I have my complaints about the game, but the NDA stuff get's me forum warnings - so I'll desist on that.

2. But this is NOT Skyrim. This is 1,000 years before the Skyrim events. It has an Elder Scrolls feel, mixed with a few other titles.

Sorry, while I want them to make back their $220,000,000 investment (heresay), truth betold, and according to what I wrote in part 1, this aint' gonna happen.

Caveat to huge mmorpg developers: LISTEN TO THE OBVIOUS OVERWHELMING RATIONAL STATEMENTS MADE BY BETA TESTERS EVEN IF IT HURTS THE FEELINGS OF A DUDE IN A SUIT IN THE BIG OFFICE. There's just things that you folks should know better about. When the gods handed out hubris to humanity, it was in an effort to ensure that mankind would never rise above the immortals.

/2 cents.

blubsterer · January 2014

Originally posted by fistorm
...
Now that I covered the history of Elder Scrolls, It has already proven to be successful and set a new benchmark for how good RPG's to follow are going to have to be to beat it out. Now take this game company and make them online. This is why and how this game will be successful.

...

At best you covered the history of Skyrim. You may know or not know that Skyrim is the fifth part in this game series. But all the other titles aren't mentioned once in you post

Originally posted by fistorm
...

Anyone whos ever played SKYRIM, will atleast BUY or TRY ESO. Because most of those players paid the box price for just SKYRIM, a single player game. ESO is an Online game, and will last longer then a single player game. So if people loved SKYRIM to pay box price for it and love it and play it unbelievable hours, even up to 4000 hours, imagine how happy those people would be to play a ONLINE ES game that lasts more hours and gets NEW CONTENT for the whole next decade to come?
...

Well, i played all 5 Elder Scrolls games (with growing displeasure since Oblivion to be honest) and I'm almost 100% sure I won't try TESO. Because it just isn't like the Elder Scrolls I know and love.

Besides: if you pay 60 bucks for a singleplayer game, you can play it as long as you want. If you pay 60 bucks for a subscription MMO box it means "GAME OVER" after 30 days unless you pay said subscription. This is a HUGE difference. Huge enough for some to pass completely. All the mods that made The Elder Scrolls so successful are free. So why start to pay? Flawed logic is flawed

funyahns · January 2014

Originally posted by remsleep
Originally posted by fistorm
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
It's Elder Scrolls in name only. Don't get all excited over publisher hype videos.

I do because all the videos even the in depth ones show that this game is exactly like SKYRIM, and when SKYRIM fans realize this, I think this will be the most successful next gen games, that sets a benchmark for all MMORPG's that come after it.

Are you serious or are you just messing with everyone here?

This is pretty much what was said about SwToR. It is going to be the best MMO of all time! It's going to be like taking Kotor 3,4,5,6 and 7 and putting it all into one game!

ArChWind · January 2014

Originally posted by blubsterer
Originally posted by fistorm ... Now that I covered the history of Elder Scrolls, It has already proven to be successful and set a new benchmark for how good RPG's to follow are going to have to be to beat it out. Now take this game company and make them online. This is why and how this game will be successful. ... At least you covered the history of Skyrim. You may know or not know that Skyrim is the fifth part in this game series. All the other titles aren't mentioned once in you post Originally posted by fistorm ... Anyone whos ever played SKYRIM, will atleast BUY or TRY ESO. Because most of those players paid the box price for just SKYRIM, a single player game. ESO is an Online game, and will last longer then a single player game. So if people loved SKYRIM to pay box price for it and love it and play it unbelievable hours, even up to 4000 hours, imagine how happy those people would be to play a ONLINE ES game that lasts more hours and gets NEW CONTENT for the whole next decade to come? ...
Well, i played all 5 Elder Scrolls games (with growing displeasure since Morrowind to be honest) and I'm almost 100% sure I won't try TESO. Because it just isn't like the Elder Scrolls I know and love. Besides: if you pay 60 bucks for a singleplayer game, you can play it as long as you want. If you pay 60 bucks for a subscription MMO box it means "GAME OVER" after 30 days unless you pay said subscription. This is a HUGE difference. So, flawed logic is flawed

The logic is a bit more flawed than that.

I think this typical post is what we can expect in TESO and it is defiantly not Skyrim.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/402964/Easiest-class-wep-combo-etc-to-level-fast-solo-to-end-game.html

Arglebargle · January 2014

Originally posted by fistorm
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
It's Elder Scrolls in name only. Don't get all excited over publisher hype videos.

I do because all the videos even the in depth ones show that this game is exactly like SKYRIM, and when SKYRIM fans realize this, I think this will be the most successful next gen games, that sets a benchmark for all MMORPG's that come after it.

I think you are going to be disappointed. However, I agree with your original premise that it will sell like gangbusters, and make a ton of money. Initially. The question is where it will plateau with players once the intial bloom has faded.

-aLpHa- · January 2014

One thing i learned in my lifetime is not to try and argue with a full blown narcissist, it's absolutely pointless.

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