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Or idiots who don't even know they're idiots...don't forget them
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I hate to say it, but I think it is those who do not realize how close this game is to SKYRIM that will be disappointed they did not try this game, expecially if they are SKYRIM fans, to the gathering, to the exploration, to the ADVENTURE ZONES, Heroic RAIDS, and dungeons at 50+. Watch the official videos yourself and make your own opinion, don't let others tell you its any different, the game company has never lied and has always done what its said.
I think if your a SKYRIM fan, you should watch close what people say after the game is released, I think you will find its EXACTLY the fantasy all ES games the devs say it is. I know you all are trying to look out for my feelings, but there is no need, its coming in three months, and I ask you to at least read all my posts in this thread after it is released and see how much it matches to what I speculate based off all the videos and things said by the devs, and the history of ES games.
Good luck. I think all I had to say and could be said is in this thread. I find myself facing same things I proved with posts earlier in the the thread, Take care, I'll check in from time to time till release. I hope you enjoyed the many debates I gave.
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The last sentence is almost exactly what they delivered. "Best MMO" is completely subjective, so I won't even touch that one.
That being said, obviously no MMO is going to be exactly like a single player game in the same setting. Too many inherent differences between the genres for that to even be a realistic goal. ESO won't be exactly like Skyrim. But it may be as close to Skyrim as a game can be and still be an MMO, we'll have to wait and see.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
lol, no he must certainly didn't.
yes lots of people will buy it,console and now pc gamers and mmo players and if they see their numbers going dawn after a while they will go free and then it will be the next wave.definalely not the next STOR that was a disappointment.
I hope its going to be great only bad thing about mmos is that they make them to be replased only after 10 years.
I seriously cannot comprehend your complete and utter blindness. Its like your trying to convince people the sky is pink with green polka dots. It's really on that level of stupidity.
Man I wish this were true. A shame my entire Dark Age of Camelot guild disagrees. As a reminder:
Dark Age of Camelot vs The Elder Scrolls Online:
The biggest red flag difference is NO class variance. Other than slightly different paths, you had best believe folks will build copy paste flavor of the month classes. Variation between classes was a good 1/3rd of the magic that was Dark Age of Camelot. But, anyway, to sum it up:
TESO is a nice step in the right direction. She is certainly offering more than any title (for those who love lore and politics that reflect the epic tales like Lord of the Rings, and other great fantasy novels). In other words, Hobbits don't pvp the Hobbits of the Shire (sorry GW2 and Age of Conan). No same race/class killing here. You actually have realm pride and a culture to represent under a banner that covers a nation, not just Sandy's guild.
She is NOT Dark Age of Camelot skinned in Skyrim.
not as many as there would be if it was B2P but it's still going to be a substantial amount.
say what you want about this game, everyone has their own opinions or own tastes. but i find it really hard to believe that this game will not be an overwhelming success compared to other mmo's, in terms of sales.
sure it wont last for years like people here still expect in 2014 (which is a joke because none of them do anymore)
but it should be fun for a lot of people for a while at least, me being one of them.
I am talking with the perspective from a PC Skyrim player. Skyrim is one of the few games I know that offer a ridiculous amount of gameplay freedom. Unmodded to some extent, but with mods you can even change the game basics. The only other game that I know which also offers a sp experience and offers even more freedom then Skyrim, is Minecraft.
Will ESO be an Elder Scrolls game?
Obviously.
Will ESO be an Elder Scrolls game that meets the expectations of PC Skyrim players?
I doubt it, maybe for a part of those people. But for many others, seeing other people running around will destroy their immersion, which is one of the most important things about Skyrim. You create the story in Skyrim, but the story is made for you in ESO, with others running the exact same story.
Will ESO be a good MMO?
Possibly. From what I've seen so far and read about it, I can imagine how it could appeal to MMO players who are not particularly fan of Skyrim. The themepark player will find some interesting freedom with character development. But compared to Skyrim (also because of the mods) it will feel restricted. Although for some Skyrim fans the added PVP and co op could be a nice trade off.
Will ESO be a good enough MMO to warrant a box+sub fee in these times?
I doubt it. I expect that initial sales will be good, but I am very curious what actions Zenimax will take when the amount of subs after some time will disappoint (which I expect ). Like many others I see small chance for ESO to stay exclusively subbased for long.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
not trying to pick on you, i don't have a problem with your post as a whole. but its funny to me when people act like they know the pulse of all skyrim fans and what they want in an ES mmo lol
as if they are just one entity that all want the same basic things in their game.
a lot of casual gamers like structured gaming, some people didn't do a lot of exploring and just went where the quests took them and when they stumbled upon a cave or something along the way, they would check it out.
that's actually exactly how i play skyrim.
you also have to remember that a lot of skyrim players have never played an mmo or wow is all they know.
if the pvp area is a success, i can see it lasting a while for many people.
as well as the fact that they can now play an ES game with friends, even if it isn't exactly what they are used to.
This one is pretty easy man. While one could still be dealing with an overly rabid fan boy, a view twisting the reality of the matter into the most marketable line on a consistent basis in an attempt to sell you or a specific target group on an item is pretty much a dead give away for identifying a shill or some one with vested interests in a product's promotion. Don't let yourself be had or used to further those aims.
I didn't present it as fact, just as my opinion. This should be clear if you carefully read my post. Also stated that it was from me as pc gamer point of view. I don't even have an opinion about how console gamers who played Skyrim on their console see ESO.
I also think that most PC gamers have tried a MMO and are familiar with their mechanics. The themepark MMO mechanics.
The first thing I said is that ESO is obviously an Elder Scrolls game. But is this the reason why PC gamers like Skyrim? There are many ppl who play Skyrim, but not any other rpg's beyond that. Just look on Steam for that. So, would ESO be interesting to them? Because why Skyrim and not other rpg's?
My strongest opinion is about the price model though. But I suspect that they already made plans if the subs fail to deliver.
EDIT: As for seeing Skyrim fans as one entity. I just didn't want to write all possible reasons why Skyrim fans have some expectations that ESO can't meet. The immersion thing for being alone in Skyrim was just an obvious example of the many reasons. I should have worded that differently now I read that back. But I don't see Skyrim fans as a group with the same opinion, or for that matter the same as mine. Just that ESO differs on some key points. Points that make a lot of players play Skyrim, but not other RPG's.
When, not if. The market has changed too much for any new game to prosper long term on subs alone. It's still the smartest opening play, but only until subscriber losses start kicking in.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
I simply don't share your thoughts on this. The market hasn't changed, more than it has grinded to a complete and utter halt. I personally believe people will pay for quality. I believe all the jumpers are because, most of the released games resemble each other way too much, bar the skin of it.
I hope it'll change one day. But I simply don't believe it's because the market has changed in a non-sub direction. The market has grinded to a halt because of an overflow of the same package, with different wrappings, instead. My opinion, at least! :-)
One question: if he is a shill (not questioning your line of thoughts) those peopel who spent 300+ messages pouring hate on this game (a game that they won't play) and trying to force their negative view on others, what are they?
I feel sad for people who do this.
A lot of games still have subs. Maybe they don't have millions of paying users (but no game does, not even WoW if 4-6 millions play in China) but they still make a profit. The problem is that the average wowtard thinks quantity=quality
They probably all eat in mcdonalds...
Or.... they could elaborate on their reasoning, give specific examples, comparisons and explanations, and provide a compelling case for how they're right...
That street goes both ways, and neither direction is a guaranteed "win".
As soon as the NDA drops, I'm sure there are those who will take the time out to explain why TESO is a standard themepark MMO, and a very different beast (one that lives in a massive heard and is fat and eats all day) to the single player games. They just can't do that right now. No idea why they respect such boundaries; the NDA isn't legally binding, as much as they'd like to think it is.
That's an easy one man. Chances are that if you actually find some one with three hundred posts hating on ESO for not being Skyrim worthy then you are dealing with this guy...
Be on the look out.
@OP
You wrote 3 paragraphs about Skyrim and then start the fourth with "Now that I covered the history of Elder Scrolls..."
Just to be clear, Skyrim is the fifth Elder Scrolls and you in now way covered the history of the series. While I can understand and appreciate being excited for a new MMO you may want to tone down your praise until well after launch and the game has had some time to mature. Additionally as many others have pointed out ESO and Skyrim are not the same game and will most likely never be, that may or may not be a bad thing but from gathering the little bits of whispers from those in beta I'm not exactly overly optimistic about the game. With that said the game may end up being great but it is far too early to tell how well the game will do.
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There are people breaking the NDA some wholeheartedly, but the threads are instantly deleted because theyre mostly negative. That is why anyone with a brain knows that the POSITIVE stuff that is breaking the NDA being allowed to stay on sites is just more marketing hype. And the worst type.
Anyone says one negative thing about ESO on any sight now gets emails and messages. Hell one of my accounts at Bethesda was banned, and I didnt say a single thing about the beta. But it was critical of the game in a blatant NDA breaking fanboy thread. Thread stayed as did the NDA breaking comments and I got an email saying I was banned from participating in the ESO section of the forums. LOL.
Other third party sites, including this one are also cracking down heavily on critical comments. Because they get money from these companies and I am sure the pressure is there to try and keep the spin positive.
Its crunch time and they know that this game is a complete lemon with a shelf life of a lemon in the middle of Las Vegas in August.
The fact the NDA is even still ongoing at this stage, and the complete lack of OFFICIAL news from the company about what is happening or how beta was received or what theyre doing due to beta comments is another very telling sign. Again people can spin that anyway they want by citing past games and whatnot. But when games are truly breaking the mold and the developers are excited about what theyre doing and especially as a release date closes in on the two month mark the internet is abuzz with stuff. We still have crickets.
Sure there was a stress test, but no one knows how it went, officially or unofficially. There is both objective and subjective topics that could be discussed. But nope, no one can say or do anything.
Until people start making anti fan sites whose sole purpose is to break NDAs and give the real story about MMOs or at least their interpretations of them then its PvP on the forums here and at other third party sites.
In the end though the opinions of people really dont matter. Unless theyre your friends and in that case I am sure many circles of friends have talked about this game amongst themselves. So the people on the forums who are critical arent really going to sway anyone, even if theyre the most vocal and seemingly most numerous.
But people still love to voice their opinions and most Americans feel they have a right to do that. So that s why NDAs are hit or miss.
I think it depends on how you say it and where you are getting the info from. You can comment on any of the game play at PAX, you can't comment on the beta (which can be a difficult line to walk).
As far as being called on the carpet for "negative things", twice I have submitted e-mails after their surveys, with positive but also with negative things, things I thought "were a shame" and twice I received very nice and encouraging responses. No banning me from their forum or their betas.
I suspect the "honest critical remarks" that players claim are an issue are more about directly breaking nda or about "how you say them".
You can criticize and comment on negative things without ripping the person/organization a "new one".
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