Originally posted by thundercles Greed monger has been sold to interdiction studios -per Jason Appleton via greed monger website
How do you sell a barely complete game and $100,000 debt to kickstarter? Who would buy such a thing?
Update: According to Jasons post on the GM forum, Interdiction did not BUY the game, they are taking over development which I would imagine is for a big percentage of the profits. It is also based on what Jason says they have ready at this moment which could be very different than what James delivers.
Debt? What debt?
Donations to a kickstarter campaign are not repayable in any real sense. If the funds are spent on the development of the game they are a bonus to the buyer not a debt.
Game was not sold, some developers have the passion to help finish such a game being a dev myself for game development I can see someone taking this on. I personally would not due to James, I personally have seen him run his month on Unity site all the time... I know people who worked with him, they actually asked me, but I do this professionally I don't work for free...
Plus I knew this game would fail any company who changes engines more than once is a sign that the dev team is lost.. For a new company trying to make a name for them selves bad idea to take a game like this who knows the mess they would get into to.. I bet they would have a ton of work to do and the work I bet is a mess... I have worked on MMO's AAA and indies , not bashing indies I support them but I followed this game, and said day 1, they would fail, due to how it was run..
You need a good project lead and a team that works well, skill can be taught, but people who have bad attitudes will be reflected on the game they are making, I seen games fail and some do well. The main reason indies fail, is because lack of funds, bad leadership, and a lazy team... That may not listen well..
Here is my take on what happened with this studio:
Day-1: Jason reaches out to all Ohio based studios and says he has a 75% completed game for someone to finish and he will give 50% of the profit once it launches. Interdiction agrees as Jason talks a good game.
Day-2: Interdiction does some background research into this game, and Jason, and realizes they just signed a deal with the devil. They back the frick out as fast as they can. Now Jason is running around trying to find some other studio who will take responsibility for his mess. He has no money to pay anyone (since he pocketed probably around $75,000 to pay for his upscale living) and most real developers would not touch it if he did have money.
Can not wait to see what Jason does next. My guess is that right now he is searching through developer forums looking for a sap who is willing to do all the work on this game for a small percentage of the profit.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
Just the way Appleton was acting put up a flag so big and red you could probably see it from orbit.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
have officially signed the agreements that give James Proctor and Joel Hager complete ownership and control of the Greed Monger IP and in that agreement, they are taking over all assets and licenses related to Greed Monger as well as liability for the Kickstarter and website backers and will be committed to honoring all of your pledges.
James- I wish you luck man. I really like you and really want to see you succeed. I think you are a hell of a guy with some serious balls. You faced us whenever you were called out. You entered places that would scare chuck norris to enter in order to defend your game.
I hope this all works out for you and I hope we stay in touch in a personal level.
I ... Dont even know dude. I hope you guys do really well
Thanks... I hope that MMORPG.com will give us a chance and put our listing back. I'm really looking forward to some great conversation and feedback from the community. I'm also going to be taking a backseat and mostly allowing our PR guys to handle things here and else where now. I have faith they will show the same respect and restraint I've shown here over the years. I'll be around from time to time to check up on things though.
James- I wish you luck man. I really like you and really want to see you succeed. I think you are a hell of a guy with some serious balls. You faced us whenever you were called out. You entered places that would scare chuck norris to enter in order to defend your game.
I hope this all works out for you and I hope we stay in touch in a personal level.
I ... Dont even know dude. I hope you guys do really well
lol Thanks... It's been fun over the years (not really but sounded like the right thing to say...) lol You better believe we will keep in touch. It will be nice not having you attacking us for once. lol Though I know if we really starting messing up you will be getting after us and I wouldn't have it any other way.
James- I wish you luck man. I really like you and really want to see you succeed. I think you are a hell of a guy with some serious balls. You faced us whenever you were called out. You entered places that would scare chuck norris to enter in order to defend your game.
I hope this all works out for you and I hope we stay in touch in a personal level.
I ... Dont even know dude. I hope you guys do really well
lol Thanks... It's been fun over the years (not really but sounded like the right thing to say...) lol You better believe we will keep in touch. It will be nice not having you attacking us for once. lol Though I know if we really starting messing up you will be getting after us and I wouldn't have it any other way.
+100
Things are different now. The community wants accountability. The community also really likes you.
Dude, communicate and give us your best. Thats what we demand. I know you will. I have some hope.
have officially signed the agreements that give James Proctor and Joel Hager complete ownership and control of the Greed Monger IP and in that agreement, they are taking over all assets and licenses related to Greed Monger as well as liability for the Kickstarter and website backers and will be committed to honoring all of your pledges.
James, I hope you had a lawyer review the documents before signing. I also hope that you received a certified breakdown of expenses incurred related to the Kickstarter funds. As you (according to the last update on Kickstarter) have now assumed liability for the Kickstarter, I sure hope you can account for every dollar raised/spent. Not just some Email from Jason saying "Dude nothing is left.." but actual invoices matched up against the budget...
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You already had an MMO on works, Rise of Heroes Online (which website is now defunct) and then you jump ship on a failing project called Greed Monger, then in less than 72 hours you decide to take it on board again ?
So what happens to your own game?
If you did not have resources and manpower to do YOUR OWN GAME, how can you even think of making Greed Monger?
Jason was smart, he passed the burning and sinking ship to you and cleaned his hands off the Kickstarter deal which makes him not accountable anymore, and YOU are left with all the problems, the negativity surrounding this game (which wont go away no matter what) and now you are left with the task of cleaning up his mess?
Wow!
The funny thing is you thought someone could actually make an MMO of this scope and have all the mechanics you want the game to be, and this shows people a HUGE lack of development understanding on what takes to make a game.
This is not in question your ability to code or not, but it seems to me a case of someone that knows how to cook tasty food, suddenly think they can run a restaurant...
I wish you well in your endeavours, but you have no idea the mess you got yourself into and I think deep down you know this wont end well.
Greed Monger is too ambitious to be done without any funding, and now that Jason passed you the hot potato and used up the majority of the Kickstarter money (mostly on himself according to close sources), this whole project is now seeming more and more impossible to deliver.
We will be here to wait and see what happens, but I bet my left testicle that this game wont ever launch with all the advertised mechanics.
PS: Oh, and according to your own game's Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/riseofheroesmmo you will be developing Rise of Heroes MMO game AND Greed Monger?
With no funding for both?
Whelp! LOL! Talk about biting more than you can chew...
James, I hope you had a lawyer review the documents before signing. I also hope that you received a certified breakdown of expenses incurred related to the Kickstarter funds. As you (according to the last update on Kickstarter) have now assumed liability for the Kickstarter, I sure hope you can account for every dollar raised/spent. Not just some Email from Jason saying "Dude nothing is left.." but actual invoices matched up against the budget...
Also, if you have not had someone review the documents and/or gotten a certified breakdown of expenses (and liabilities), most states have a 3-5 day "cooling off" period where you can back out of a contract after you come to your senses.
If I were you I would be quite concerned that Jason was sure to point out that you assumed all the Kickstarter Liabilities.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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PS: Oh, and according to your own game's Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/riseofheroesmmo you will be developing Rise of Heroes MMO game AND Greed Monger?
With no funding for both?
Whelp! LOL! Talk about biting more than you can chew...
Greed Monger is MMO Interactive's ONLY game in development. We will make sure GM is launched successfully and the KS Backers are taking care of before even thinking about future projects.
James, I hope you had a lawyer review the documents before signing. I also hope that you received a certified breakdown of expenses incurred related to the Kickstarter funds. As you (according to the last update on Kickstarter) have now assumed liability for the Kickstarter, I sure hope you can account for every dollar raised/spent. Not just some Email from Jason saying "Dude nothing is left.." but actual invoices matched up against the budget...
Also, if you have not had someone review the documents and/or gotten a certified breakdown of expenses (and liabilities), most states have a 3-5 day "cooling off" period where you can back out of a contract after you come to your senses.
If I were you I would be quite concerned that Jason was sure to point out that you assumed all the Kickstarter Liabilities.
As the person handling the Business side Joel went over everything and made sure we were protected. Basically at this point if we mess up moving forward we are responsible if any legal issues arise from choices made in the past before MMOI owned GM then Jason is still responsible... However I am hoping the community will allow Jason to just peacefully leave and work with us to move things forward. There are no hard feelings between Jason, my self, or MMOI and it's important to just get this behind us and move GM forward.
If the Kickstarter "investors" have a legal stake, in the money they "invested" in then the new company remains responsible for that stake. As zymurgeist already pointed out though that it's doubtful whether Kickstarter backers can be seen as investors.
If Jason Appleton has done anything legally punishable in the past then he remains responsible for that in person, no contract can change that.
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That was from a while ago when I had a Falling out with them... I am now MMODeveloper on there and I am back on good terms with them.
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MMO Interactive
Game was not sold, some developers have the passion to help finish such a game being a dev myself for game development I can see someone taking this on. I personally would not due to James, I personally have seen him run his month on Unity site all the time... I know people who worked with him, they actually asked me, but I do this professionally I don't work for free...
Plus I knew this game would fail any company who changes engines more than once is a sign that the dev team is lost.. For a new company trying to make a name for them selves bad idea to take a game like this who knows the mess they would get into to.. I bet they would have a ton of work to do and the work I bet is a mess... I have worked on MMO's AAA and indies , not bashing indies I support them but I followed this game, and said day 1, they would fail, due to how it was run..
You need a good project lead and a team that works well, skill can be taught, but people who have bad attitudes will be reflected on the game they are making, I seen games fail and some do well. The main reason indies fail, is because lack of funds, bad leadership, and a lazy team... That may not listen well..
Interdiction Studios drops Greed Monger in less than a day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMUOcm_F8o0
not surpised, don't blame them I bet the game is a mess.
Here is my take on what happened with this studio:
Day-1: Jason reaches out to all Ohio based studios and says he has a 75% completed game for someone to finish and he will give 50% of the profit once it launches. Interdiction agrees as Jason talks a good game.
Day-2: Interdiction does some background research into this game, and Jason, and realizes they just signed a deal with the devil. They back the frick out as fast as they can. Now Jason is running around trying to find some other studio who will take responsibility for his mess. He has no money to pay anyone (since he pocketed probably around $75,000 to pay for his upscale living) and most real developers would not touch it if he did have money.
Can not wait to see what Jason does next. My guess is that right now he is searching through developer forums looking for a sap who is willing to do all the work on this game for a small percentage of the profit.
Hah! I'd forgotten about that, lol.
Just the way Appleton was acting put up a flag so big and red you could probably see it from orbit.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
#IStandWithVic
Some people are chair sages, you are one of them. Well done for visioning impending doom!
What is your next prediction, oh powerful sage?
My bet is on Everquest Next.
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My company, MMO Interactive, now owns Greed Monger... We will have further updates soon.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/appleton/greed-monger-a-crafting-focused-sandbox-mmorpg/posts/1189988
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MMO Interactive
have officially signed the agreements that give James Proctor and Joel Hager complete ownership and control of the Greed Monger IP and in that agreement, they are taking over all assets and licenses related to Greed Monger as well as liability for the Kickstarter and website backers and will be committed to honoring all of your pledges.
http://www.greedmonger.com/forum/sh...reed-Monger-in-others-hands&p=29935#post29935
James- I wish you luck man. I really like you and really want to see you succeed. I think you are a hell of a guy with some serious balls. You faced us whenever you were called out. You entered places that would scare chuck norris to enter in order to defend your game.
I hope this all works out for you and I hope we stay in touch in a personal level.
I ... Dont even know dude. I hope you guys do really well
Best news to come out of this fiascoThanks... I hope that MMORPG.com will give us a chance and put our listing back. I'm really looking forward to some great conversation and feedback from the community. I'm also going to be taking a backseat and mostly allowing our PR guys to handle things here and else where now. I have faith they will show the same respect and restraint I've shown here over the years. I'll be around from time to time to check up on things though.
Company Owner
MMO Interactive
lol Thanks... It's been fun over the years (not really but sounded like the right thing to say...) lol You better believe we will keep in touch. It will be nice not having you attacking us for once. lol Though I know if we really starting messing up you will be getting after us and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Company Owner
MMO Interactive
+100
Things are different now. The community wants accountability. The community also really likes you.
Dude, communicate and give us your best. Thats what we demand. I know you will. I have some hope.
That was from a while ago when I had a Falling out with them... I am now MMODeveloper on there and I am back on good terms with them.
My bad, should have dug deeper. I even knew you were mmodeveloper just didn't put it together there were two different accounts.Wow... even with all this crap Jason still found someone to hold the bag.
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James, I hope you had a lawyer review the documents before signing. I also hope that you received a certified breakdown of expenses incurred related to the Kickstarter funds. As you (according to the last update on Kickstarter) have now assumed liability for the Kickstarter, I sure hope you can account for every dollar raised/spent. Not just some Email from Jason saying "Dude nothing is left.." but actual invoices matched up against the budget...
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
So James, let me get this straight....
You already had an MMO on works, Rise of Heroes Online (which website is now defunct) and then you jump ship on a failing project called Greed Monger, then in less than 72 hours you decide to take it on board again ?
So what happens to your own game?
If you did not have resources and manpower to do YOUR OWN GAME, how can you even think of making Greed Monger?
Jason was smart, he passed the burning and sinking ship to you and cleaned his hands off the Kickstarter deal which makes him not accountable anymore, and YOU are left with all the problems, the negativity surrounding this game (which wont go away no matter what) and now you are left with the task of cleaning up his mess?
Wow!
The funny thing is you thought someone could actually make an MMO of this scope and have all the mechanics you want the game to be, and this shows people a HUGE lack of development understanding on what takes to make a game.
This is not in question your ability to code or not, but it seems to me a case of someone that knows how to cook tasty food, suddenly think they can run a restaurant...
I wish you well in your endeavours, but you have no idea the mess you got yourself into and I think deep down you know this wont end well.
Greed Monger is too ambitious to be done without any funding, and now that Jason passed you the hot potato and used up the majority of the Kickstarter money (mostly on himself according to close sources), this whole project is now seeming more and more impossible to deliver.
We will be here to wait and see what happens, but I bet my left testicle that this game wont ever launch with all the advertised mechanics.
Any ways, wish you good luck.
New players can get a welcome package and old/returning players can also get a welcome back package and 7 days free subscription time! Just click here to use my referral invitation
PS: Oh, and according to your own game's Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/riseofheroesmmo you will be developing Rise of Heroes MMO game AND Greed Monger?
With no funding for both?
Whelp! LOL! Talk about biting more than you can chew...
New players can get a welcome package and old/returning players can also get a welcome back package and 7 days free subscription time! Just click here to use my referral invitation
Also, if you have not had someone review the documents and/or gotten a certified breakdown of expenses (and liabilities), most states have a 3-5 day "cooling off" period where you can back out of a contract after you come to your senses.
If I were you I would be quite concerned that Jason was sure to point out that you assumed all the Kickstarter Liabilities.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Greed Monger is MMO Interactive's ONLY game in development. We will make sure GM is launched successfully and the KS Backers are taking care of before even thinking about future projects.
Company Owner
MMO Interactive
As the person handling the Business side Joel went over everything and made sure we were protected. Basically at this point if we mess up moving forward we are responsible if any legal issues arise from choices made in the past before MMOI owned GM then Jason is still responsible... However I am hoping the community will allow Jason to just peacefully leave and work with us to move things forward. There are no hard feelings between Jason, my self, or MMOI and it's important to just get this behind us and move GM forward.
Company Owner
MMO Interactive
If the Kickstarter "investors" have a legal stake, in the money they "invested" in then the new company remains responsible for that stake. As zymurgeist already pointed out though that it's doubtful whether Kickstarter backers can be seen as investors.
If Jason Appleton has done anything legally punishable in the past then he remains responsible for that in person, no contract can change that.