"Can i also have a boat in Monaco during the F1 Grand Prix"
Camp
1. CR was a movie director or producer tried to be a movie producer for at least a decade 2. He made a fortune a normal producer salary in 1990 off of Wing Commander. 3. If one already is loaded with cash there isnt a lot of reason to scam beg on Kickstarter for more.
oops
Fixed that for you.
The Wing commander movies have been complete financial disasters just like every other project he tried as movie producer. I think he was pretty much broke before he decided he needs to make a new Wing Commander game, but that is purely my opinion based on how bad his Hollywood "career" was going.
He did not get real investors for his Wing Commander remake because he is known in the industry as someone that is incompetent to handle large projects. That's why he went to Kickstarter.
1. He did other movies other than Wing Commander. 2. How do you know he had money problems before? any evidence of that? I am not saying he didnt he very well may have but if you can provide some solid evidence to that then you guys have a VERY strong case.
added: keep in mind (I hate to point out the obvious but i bet I do) the success or failure of a product does NOT mean an employee or CEO of said product did poorely. In fact in many cases a failed project turns into TONS of money for a CEO so what we will need here is something more personal to his bottom line. was he living in a shack before SC for example
1. Yeah, all of his movie projects pretty much bombed. I guess you could say "Lucky number slevin" was not a complete failure but $22 million gross is not exactly good. I am sure he was not bankrupt but also not as some people suggest: a millionaire. 2. I never said he had money problems. It was my opinion based on the fact that someone that has not done too well in 20 years and lived a very elaborate Hollywood live might have some financial issues.
added: He supposedly moved into a very expensive home in one of the best Hollywood neighborhoods shortly after the Kickstarter money came through. Also his ex wife SAndi suddenly came back after he was flush with money after she left him (that's not weird at all, or is it?). I don't know if that is true or where he lived before that but that's what i heard.
It's all speculation, but i like to speculate, what else do we have to talk about? Virtual Spaceships that no one can fly and some half assed and buggy Alpha.
Don't forget that Chris was never married to Sandi and bringing that up in forum posts here would be met with gnashing of teeth that we are all liars and have no proof. Then he screws up and admits he is married to her and its quietly dropped and pushed under the rug
"Can i also have a boat in Monaco during the F1 Grand Prix"
Camp
1. CR was a movie director or producer tried to be a movie producer for at least a decade 2. He made a fortune a normal producer salary in 1990 off of Wing Commander. 3. If one already is loaded with cash there isnt a lot of reason to scam beg on Kickstarter for more.
oops
Fixed that for you.
The Wing commander movies have been complete financial disasters just like every other project he tried as movie producer. I think he was pretty much broke before he decided he needs to make a new Wing Commander game, but that is purely my opinion based on how bad his Hollywood "career" was going.
He did not get real investors for his Wing Commander remake because he is known in the industry as someone that is incompetent to handle large projects. That's why he went to Kickstarter.
1. He did other movies other than Wing Commander. 2. How do you know he had money problems before? any evidence of that? I am not saying he didnt he very well may have but if you can provide some solid evidence to that then you guys have a VERY strong case.
added: keep in mind (I hate to point out the obvious but i bet I do) the success or failure of a product does NOT mean an employee or CEO of said product did poorely. In fact in many cases a failed project turns into TONS of money for a CEO so what we will need here is something more personal to his bottom line. was he living in a shack before SC for example
1. Yeah, all of his movie projects pretty much bombed. I guess you could say "Lucky number slevin" was not a complete failure but $22 million gross is not exactly good. I am sure he was not bankrupt but also not as some people suggest: a millionaire. 2. I never said he had money problems. It was my opinion based on the fact that someone that has not done too well in 20 years and lived a very elaborate Hollywood live might have some financial issues.
added: He supposedly moved into a very expensive home in one of the best Hollywood neighborhoods shortly after the Kickstarter money came through. Also his ex wife SAndi suddenly came back after he was flush with money after she left him (that's not weird at all, or is it?). I don't know if that is true or where he lived before that but that's what i heard.
It's all speculation, but i like to speculate, what else do we have to talk about? Virtual Spaceships that no one can fly and some half assed and buggy Alpha.
so your entire point is pointless and just a matter of pointing out technical issues with what I said even though its not substantive.
ok well thanks for nothing.
Its unfortunate to because I would very likely become a side flipper if we had some evidence that he was cash poor before starting this project...oh well to bad so sad
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
so your entire point is pointless and just a matter of pointing out technical issues with what I said even though its not substantive.
ok well thanks for nothing.
Its unfortunate to because I would very likely become a side flipper if we had some evidence that he was cash poor before starting this project...oh well to bad so sad
Well you see, i could say the same thing about your post. There is no evidence he was rich. If anything his failed projects and hollywood career would suggest the opposite.
If he really was a big shot movie and game producer with a good reputation and a millionaire as some might want you to believe he should have had no problem securing funding.
Another thing that really bugs me is this:
They already splitting SQ42 into episodes to keep the money flowing. There is simply no other reason for it to be episodic. If you want an epic movie like experience you don't cut your movie into X number of episodes and make people wait months if not years between episodes. It's pretty much exactly the opposite of what SQ42 should be.
The only reason you would need to do that is if you know you have not enough money to finish the product completely. It does not add any value to a game at all.
The whole thing reeks of ponzi scheme where the money from new backers and customers is used to finish what old customers were promised.
PS: I forgot the most important thing. Backers do not get all 3 Episodes. They ahve to pay for the last episode of the game they backed. Yes, i know they are trying to whitewash this with some bullshit about number of missions and stretch goals. I don't give a fuck. I backed a complete game not this 2/3 Episodic shit.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
its funny because I did follow SC about a year ago and they were late for the very first release date and at presentation his wife said 'CR is well known for being late' and that was when I decided to wait.
Being known for being late and scams,Embezzlement, and illegal firing processes is not even close to the same thing
Yeah, I mean look at Brad McQuaid. It seems like we're willing to give a break to people who embezzle money AND pay them a monthly subscription fee for thin air. Being late is COMPLETELY unacceptable though.
so your entire point is pointless and just a matter of pointing out technical issues with what I said even though its not substantive.
ok well thanks for nothing.
Its unfortunate to because I would very likely become a side flipper if we had some evidence that he was cash poor before starting this project...oh well to bad so sad
Well you see, i could say the same thing about your post. There is no evidence he was rich. If anything his failed projects and hollywood career would suggest the opposite.
If he really was a big shot movie and game producer with a good reputaion and a millionaire as some might want you to believe he should have had no problem securing funding.
Another thing that really bugs me is this:
They already splitting SQ42 into episodes to keep the money flowing. There is simply no other reason for it to be episodic. If you want an epic movie like experience you don't cut your movie into X number of episodes and make people wait months if not years between episodes. It's pretty much exactly the opposite of what SQ42 should be.
The only reason you would need to do that is if you know you have not enough money to finish the product completely. It does not add any value to a game at all.
The whole thing reeks of ponzi scheme where the money from new backers and customers is used to finish what old customers were promised.
no you are wrong I am afraid
My claim is an unsubstantiated claim to make a point your claim is an unsubstantiated reply that isnt related to my point
both and you I made unsubstantiated claims however if yours was true it would not affect anything where as if mine where true it would affect. more over you stated it with full knowedge that your unsubstantiated claim was not related to my statement
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
so your entire point is pointless and just a matter of pointing out technical issues with what I said even though its not substantive.
ok well thanks for nothing.
Its unfortunate to because I would very likely become a side flipper if we had some evidence that he was cash poor before starting this project...oh well to bad so sad
Well you see, i could say the same thing about your post. There is no evidence he was rich. If anything his failed projects and hollywood career would suggest the opposite.
If he really was a big shot movie and game producer with a good reputaion and a millionaire as some might want you to believe he should have had no problem securing funding.
Another thing that really bugs me is this:
They already splitting SQ42 into episodes to keep the money flowing. There is simply no other reason for it to be episodic. If you want an epic movie like experience you don't cut your movie into X number of episodes and make people wait months if not years between episodes. It's pretty much exactly the opposite of what SQ42 should be.
The only reason you would need to do that is if you know you have not enough money to finish the product completely. It does not add any value to a game at all.
The whole thing reeks of ponzi scheme where the money from new backers and customers is used to finish what old customers were promised.
You sir are misinformed or just a liar.
We've got a really big story arch so we're going to split it
into a trilogy like Wing Commander 1/2/3, that kind of thing. So
Episode 1 is what people will play this year and has the equivalent of
70 Wing Commander style missions...
... We're thinking it's like 21 chapters or so, and each chapter is a segment of missions...
...So, it's about the equivalent of about 70 missions Wing Commander style and we think it's about 20 hours of gameplay...
...So, Episode 2 is "Behind Enemy Lines", which I think that
everyone that backed until like $6 million gets for free and then
Episode 3 would be the year after. So we'll have each one of these, each
one is the equivalent of a huge triple A "Call of Duty" or better because we have a much bigger campaign
All this was made clear more than ONE year ago. Since, by your claim, you're a backer hence you had this info i'm going ahead and call you a liar.
so your entire point is pointless and just a matter of pointing out technical issues with what I said even though its not substantive.
ok well thanks for nothing.
Its unfortunate to because I would very likely become a side flipper if we had some evidence that he was cash poor before starting this project...oh well to bad so sad
Well you see, i could say the same thing about your post. There is no evidence he was rich. If anything his failed projects and hollywood career would suggest the opposite.
If he really was a big shot movie and game producer with a good reputaion and a millionaire as some might want you to believe he should have had no problem securing funding.
Another thing that really bugs me is this:
They already splitting SQ42 into episodes to keep the money flowing. There is simply no other reason for it to be episodic. If you want an epic movie like experience you don't cut your movie into X number of episodes and make people wait months if not years between episodes. It's pretty much exactly the opposite of what SQ42 should be.
The only reason you would need to do that is if you know you have not enough money to finish the product completely. It does not add any value to a game at all.
The whole thing reeks of ponzi scheme where the money from new backers and customers is used to finish what old customers were promised.
You sir are misinformed or just a liar.
We've got a really big story arch so we're going to split it
into a trilogy like Wing Commander 1/2/3, that kind of thing. So
Episode 1 is what people will play this year and has the equivalent of
70 Wing Commander style missions...
... We're thinking it's like 21 chapters or so, and each chapter is a segment of missions...
...So, it's about the equivalent of about 70 missions Wing Commander style and we think it's about 20 hours of gameplay...
...So, Episode 2 is "Behind Enemy Lines", which I think that
everyone that backed until like $6 million gets for free and then
Episode 3 would be the year after. So we'll have each one of these, each
one is the equivalent of a huge triple A "Call of Duty" or better because we have a much bigger campaign
All this was made clear more than ONE year ago. Since, by your claim, you're a backer hence you had this info i'm going ahead and call you a liar.
That's exactly what i said. So where am i lying?
The game got split into 3 Episodes. CHECK! The Backers only get Epidosed 1 and 2. CHECK! They try to whitewash it by saying these epiosdes each are now as big as the original game. CHECK!
You could read that in my post hence you had this information, i am going ahead calling you a dyslexic.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
The game got split into 3 Episodes. CHECK! The Backers only get Epidosed 1 and 2. CHECK! They try to whitewash it by saying these epiosdes each are now as big as the original game. CHECK!
You could read that in my post hence you had this information, i am going ahead calling you a dyslexic.
not having any clue whatesoever what you guys are talking about the above reply sounds to me sounds that SC is giving the backers a better deal then original.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
My claim is an unsubstantiated claim to make a point your claim is an unsubstantiated reply that isnt related to my point
both and you I made unsubstantiated claims however if yours was true it would not affect anything where as if mine where true it would affect. more over you stated it with full knowedge that your unsubstantiated claim was not related to my statement
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
My claim is an unsubstantiated claim to make a point your claim is an unsubstantiated reply that isnt related to my point
both and you I made unsubstantiated claims however if yours was true it would not affect anything where as if mine where true it would affect. more over you stated it with full knowedge that your unsubstantiated claim was not related to my statement
My claim is an unsubstantiated claim to make a point your claim is an unsubstantiated reply that isnt related to my point
both and you I made unsubstantiated claims however if yours was true it would not affect anything where as if mine where true it would affect. more over you stated it with full knowedge that your unsubstantiated claim was not related to my statement
Yay! Let's play "let's pretend."
My response to Mr.Snuffles was related to the quote from him below:
---------------- 2. I never said he had money problems. It was my opinion based on the fact that someone that has not done too well in 20 years and lived a very elaborate Hollywood live might have some financial issues.
---------------- I was addressing his personal income prior to SC. Mr. Snuffles it appears from the quote above was talking about something different
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
My claim is an unsubstantiated claim to make a point your claim is an unsubstantiated reply that isnt related to my point
both and you I made unsubstantiated claims however if yours was true it would not affect anything where as if mine where true it would affect. more over you stated it with full knowedge that your unsubstantiated claim was not related to my statement
Yay! Let's play "let's pretend."
Thanks for bumping the thread.
Oh, and just for the record. YOU MY FRIEND!! ARE WRONG!!!
My claim is an unsubstantiated claim to make a point your claim is an unsubstantiated reply that isnt related to my point
both and you I made unsubstantiated claims however if yours was true it would not affect anything where as if mine where true it would affect. more over you stated it with full knowedge that your unsubstantiated claim was not related to my statement
I am afraid you gone completely off the rails.
Have fun!
I am responding to your quote below:
2. I never said he had money problems. It was my opinion based on the fact that someone that has not done too well in 20 years and lived a very elaborate Hollywood live might have some financial issues.
which is not only contradictory but also based on the first sentence leads me to believe that your reply was pointing out items not related to my core point.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
so your entire point is pointless and just a matter of pointing out technical issues with what I said even though its not substantive.
ok well thanks for nothing.
Its unfortunate to because I would very likely become a side flipper if we had some evidence that he was cash poor before starting this project...oh well to bad so sad
Well you see, i could say the same thing about your post. There is no evidence he was rich. If anything his failed projects and hollywood career would suggest the opposite.
If he really was a big shot movie and game producer with a good reputaion and a millionaire as some might want you to believe he should have had no problem securing funding.
Another thing that really bugs me is this:
They already splitting SQ42 into episodes to keep the money flowing. There is simply no other reason for it to be episodic. If you want an epic movie like experience you don't cut your movie into X number of episodes and make people wait months if not years between episodes. It's pretty much exactly the opposite of what SQ42 should be.
The only reason you would need to do that is if you know you have not enough money to finish the product completely. It does not add any value to a game at all.
The whole thing reeks of ponzi scheme where the money from new backers and customers is used to finish what old customers were promised.
You sir are misinformed or just a liar.
We've got a really big story arch so we're going to split it
into a trilogy like Wing Commander 1/2/3, that kind of thing. So
Episode 1 is what people will play this year and has the equivalent of
70 Wing Commander style missions...
... We're thinking it's like 21 chapters or so, and each chapter is a segment of missions...
...So, it's about the equivalent of about 70 missions Wing Commander style and we think it's about 20 hours of gameplay...
...So, Episode 2 is "Behind Enemy Lines", which I think that
everyone that backed until like $6 million gets for free and then
Episode 3 would be the year after. So we'll have each one of these, each
one is the equivalent of a huge triple A "Call of Duty" or better because we have a much bigger campaign
All this was made clear more than ONE year ago. Since, by your claim, you're a backer hence you had this info i'm going ahead and call you a liar.
That's exactly what i said. So where am i lying?
The game got split into 3 Episodes. CHECK! The Backers only get Epidosed 1 and 2. CHECK! They try to whitewash it by saying these epiosdes each are now as big as the original game. CHECK!
You could read that in my post hence you had this information, i am going ahead calling you a dyslexic.
The one who needs to read is you.
"They already splitting SQ42 into episodes to keep the money flowing...."
You clearly implied that they just made the decision to deliver Squadron 42 in such a way because of funding problems. Which is just a blatant lie and you know it.
If you are a backer then, like the rest of us backers, you should know that this is very old info. Something CR made very clear from the very beginning. It was on the website for everyone to see when the funding reached the 6 million mark. Do you actually know when said mark was achieved ? In fact, episode 2 of S42 was one of the funding goals.
"They already splitting SQ42 into episodes to keep the money flowing...."
You clearly implied that they just made the decision to deliver Squadron 42 in such a way because of funding problems. Which is just a blatant lie and you know it.
If you are a backer then, like the rest of us backers, you should know that this is very old info. Something CR made very clear from the very beginning. It was on the website for everyone to see when the funding reached the 6 million mark. Do you actually know when said mark was achieved ? In fact, episode 2 of S42 was one of the funding goals.
honestly I think someone who has never even heard of SC read his reply and use of the word 'whitewash' as he did and assume that something is squirrely with his reply.
I know forum pages are often used as a 'obfuscation simulator' but more often then not those testing their abilities are unware of how bad they are at it.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
its funny because I did follow SC about a year ago and they were late for the very first release date and at presentation his wife said 'CR is well known for being late' and that was when I decided to wait.
Being known for being late and scams,Embezzlement, and illegal firing processes is not even close to the same thing
Yeah, I mean look at Brad McQuaid. It seems like we're willing to give a break to people who embezzle money AND pay them a monthly subscription fee for thin air. Being late is COMPLETELY unacceptable though.
Except Mcquaids kickstarter for Pantheon didnt get fund (not even close) so they regrouped and are doing whatever theyre doing now to try and scam money from people.
You dont really need kickstarter to scam people it just sort of lends credibility to the scam.
In the case of Star Citizen Kickstarter basically kickstarted their ability and hubris to start selling jpegs of ships. Another thing I also forgot to mention before. The first jpegs were 'reasonably' priced at around 30-50 bucks. That was a toe tester, once they realized they had so many fish on the line the prices started increasing exponentially. Then to maximize it even more they just changed the skins of already nonexistent ships and made different 'versions' (knowing that if they ever really did have to make them they only had to change some colors and add or take away a gun or whatever).
In the beginning it was all 'innocent' enough. I also suspect the defense he will give once it all gets exposed is just that. "we started out with the best intentions, things got away from us, we took advantage and we tried to deliver a game, we even tried agter we knew we couldnt do it with the available funds we had, so we spent all the money we 'raised' and what you see is what you get''. Now if he REALLY has balls he might even try the whole "we learned our lesson we have an independent accounting agency/person handling ALL the money going forward, we WANT to make this game so if people can continue to support it it WILL get made".
I give the first one about an 80% chance of happening. If the first one happens then I give the second scenario a 40% chance of happening. Because the guy really thinks he is a gift to the MMO world and like McQuaid will think people are stupid enough to just keep handing over money to proven scammers.
*snore* fell asleep after you mentioned the 2014 deliver date. Take this stick, there's the dead horse. Once you're done with that one, if you've got energy left you can take on the whole $2-3 million dollar issue. Been covered ad nauseam and if you can't accept those answers then no answer will.
Enter a whole lot of speculative information that is supported by zero fact and TADA!!!! Every Anti-SC argument in the past month.
Please.......
Oh, and don't forget to have fun.
So wait: you're ignoring where he refutes your point about it being a "releasable state" game by cherry-picking an old issue he mentions in his post and completely writing off everything else based on that one cherry-picked issue? O.o
The feature creep argument can be justified by saying the backers "wanted" it (though I would find it interesting to see how they arrived at this consensus opinion, just to double-check), but you ignored his very particular response to your claim that SC is in a releasable state.. And I'd have to agree with him. It's nowhere near a releasable state. And it isn't anywhere near where E:D was at its launch.
For me its more like a car crash. You cant help be watch something thats messed up. For many, watching them sell ships for thousands of bucks is messed up, but seeing people buy them is even more fun to watch. Im fine with people spending their money how they want but it still worth a chuckle. Go on and get mad at me, but you heard me. Im laughing at you =D
For me its more like a car crash. You cant help be watch something thats messed up. For many, watching them sell ships for thousands of bucks is messed up, but seeing people buy them is even more fun to watch. Im fine with people spending their money how they want but it still worth a chuckle. Go on and get mad at me, but you heard me. Im laughing at you =D
actually as (at least for the moment) a fan, I respect this view.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
For me its more like a car crash. You cant help be watch something thats messed up. For many, watching them sell ships for thousands of bucks is messed up, but seeing people buy them is even more fun to watch. Im fine with people spending their money how they want but it still worth a chuckle. Go on and get mad at me, but you heard me. Im laughing at you =D
Meh people walk around with $65,000 rocks on their fingers, and 25k handbags... I see no real difference, folks with that kind of money love to show off they can spend that much.. so who is the joke really on?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
For me its more like a car crash. You cant help be watch something thats messed up. For many, watching them sell ships for thousands of bucks is messed up, but seeing people buy them is even more fun to watch. Im fine with people spending their money how they want but it still worth a chuckle. Go on and get mad at me, but you heard me. Im laughing at you =D
Meh people walk around with $65,000 rocks on their fingers, and 25k handbags...
Ok, lets paint a picture, in one hand I have rings worth 65k and I have in the other a code that gives you 65k worth of digital space ships. What one do you want me to give you? Second question, 20 years from now what one do you want to be holding? Ya, I stand by my point, fun to watch. I really hope they get the game they want =-)
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ok well thanks for nothing.
Its unfortunate to because I would very likely become a side flipper if we had some evidence that he was cash poor before starting this project...oh well to bad so sad
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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Well you see, i could say the same thing about your post. There is no evidence he was rich. If anything his failed projects and hollywood career would suggest the opposite.
If he really was a big shot movie and game producer with a good reputation and a millionaire as some might want you to believe he should have had no problem securing funding.
Another thing that really bugs me is this:
They already splitting SQ42 into episodes to keep the money flowing. There is simply no other reason for it to be episodic. If you want an epic movie like experience you don't cut your movie into X number of episodes and make people wait months if not years between episodes. It's pretty much exactly the opposite of what SQ42 should be.
The only reason you would need to do that is if you know you have not enough money to finish the product completely. It does not add any value to a game at all.
The whole thing reeks of ponzi scheme where the money from new backers and customers is used to finish what old customers were promised.
PS: I forgot the most important thing. Backers do not get all 3 Episodes. They ahve to pay for the last episode of the game they backed. Yes, i know they are trying to whitewash this with some bullshit about number of missions and stretch goals. I don't give a fuck. I backed a complete game not this 2/3 Episodic shit.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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Yeah, I mean look at Brad McQuaid. It seems like we're willing to give a break to people who embezzle money AND pay them a monthly subscription fee for thin air. Being late is COMPLETELY unacceptable though.
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My claim is an unsubstantiated claim to make a point
your claim is an unsubstantiated reply that isnt related to my point
both and you I made unsubstantiated claims however if yours was true it would not affect anything where as if mine where true it would affect. more over you stated it with full knowedge that your unsubstantiated claim was not related to my statement
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All this was made clear more than ONE year ago. Since, by your claim, you're a backer hence you had this info i'm going ahead and call you a liar.
The game got split into 3 Episodes. CHECK!
The Backers only get Epidosed 1 and 2. CHECK!
They try to whitewash it by saying these epiosdes each are now as big as the original game. CHECK!
You could read that in my post hence you had this information, i am going ahead calling you a dyslexic.
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I am afraid you gone completely off the rails.
Have fun!
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
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Yay! Let's play "let's pretend."
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2. I never said he had money problems. It was my opinion based on the fact that someone that has not done too well in 20 years and lived a very elaborate Hollywood live might have some financial issues.
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I was addressing his personal income prior to SC. Mr. Snuffles it appears from the quote above was talking about something different
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Thanks for bumping the thread.
Oh, and just for the record. YOU MY FRIEND!! ARE WRONG!!!
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I am responding to your quote below:
2. I never said he had money problems. It was my opinion based on the fact that someone that has not done too well in 20 years and lived a very elaborate Hollywood live might have some financial issues.
which is not only contradictory but also based on the first sentence leads me to believe that your reply was pointing out items not related to my core point.
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"They already splitting SQ42 into episodes to keep the money flowing...."
You clearly implied that they just made the decision to deliver Squadron 42 in such a way because of funding problems. Which is just a blatant lie and you know it.
If you are a backer then, like the rest of us backers, you should know that this is very old info. Something CR made very clear from the very beginning. It was on the website for everyone to see when the funding reached the 6 million mark. Do you actually know when said mark was achieved ? In fact, episode 2 of S42 was one of the funding goals.
I know forum pages are often used as a 'obfuscation simulator' but more often then not those testing their abilities are unware of how bad they are at it.
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You dont really need kickstarter to scam people it just sort of lends credibility to the scam.
In the case of Star Citizen Kickstarter basically kickstarted their ability and hubris to start selling jpegs of ships. Another thing I also forgot to mention before. The first jpegs were 'reasonably' priced at around 30-50 bucks. That was a toe tester, once they realized they had so many fish on the line the prices started increasing exponentially. Then to maximize it even more they just changed the skins of already nonexistent ships and made different 'versions' (knowing that if they ever really did have to make them they only had to change some colors and add or take away a gun or whatever).
In the beginning it was all 'innocent' enough. I also suspect the defense he will give once it all gets exposed is just that. "we started out with the best intentions, things got away from us, we took advantage and we tried to deliver a game, we even tried agter we knew we couldnt do it with the available funds we had, so we spent all the money we 'raised' and what you see is what you get''. Now if he REALLY has balls he might even try the whole "we learned our lesson we have an independent accounting agency/person handling ALL the money going forward, we WANT to make this game so if people can continue to support it it WILL get made".
I give the first one about an 80% chance of happening. If the first one happens then I give the second scenario a 40% chance of happening. Because the guy really thinks he is a gift to the MMO world and like McQuaid will think people are stupid enough to just keep handing over money to proven scammers.
The feature creep argument can be justified by saying the backers "wanted" it (though I would find it interesting to see how they arrived at this consensus opinion, just to double-check), but you ignored his very particular response to your claim that SC is in a releasable state.. And I'd have to agree with him. It's nowhere near a releasable state. And it isn't anywhere near where E:D was at its launch.
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