Why do much hate on Star Citizen?

Benjola

There's this old saying that you often hear  in the gambling/poker world:
"A fool and his money are soon parted"

I genuinely feel sorry for all naive gamers that got scamed in this massive fiasco.
These 'backers' are the real victims here because they aren't losing only money.
They are losing hopes , dreams, inocence and selfworth as well.
It takes a very mature person to admit to himself that he fell for such an obvious scam let alone do it on a public forum so don't expect anything but ignorance and defensive behavior from them.

The most sad part of this idiotic Kickstarter scam system is that it will continue to happen with future projects as well, until someone ends up in jail or gets shot in front of his home by a fed up 'customer'.
Fat chance of that ever happening though so my advice to all present and future 'backers' is:
Learn from own mistakes, controll your gaming fantasies, stop being a sheep and invest only in finished games.

Good luck.

MrSnuffles

SEANMCAD said:

MrSnuffles said:

SEANMCAD said:

I have no idea if he lies or not, that isnt even the point. I think you might have completely misunderstood me.

You base your judgements on the future based on 

A. your dreamy wish
or
B. evidence you have before you although limited.

So the only evidence we have thus far is CR saying that it will not be a pay to win model 'by mistake' of allowing players to buy ships. So with that being the ONLY evidence on the table at the moment why would you think its the exact opposite and instead  just randomly make up something?

The only evidence we have is that there is currently a cash shop. That is a fact and evidence.

CR saying it will not be pay to win model is not evidence. This assumes a posteriori knowledge. We only know facts by examination and we can't examine something in the future. Unless you can see the future, this is not evidence.

No one can say if it will be pay to win or have a cash shop. At this point it has a cash shop.

interesting.
so all cash shops are pay to win?

and where is this cash shop you speak of?

1. You can buy and start the game with the best ship and equipment. This is equal to starting max level with best armour in WoW. (No, not all cash shops are pay to win. Some are only selling cosmetics. Clearly not the case here.)

2. Here is the cash shop: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/extras?product_id=41 and here: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/extras?product_id=72 and the rest you can find yourself.


On a side note while browsing their cash shop i came across the ship upgrades:

What is really despicable and a pretty obvious cash grab is the upgrading of ships. For example: You upgrade from a $25 Aurora MR to a $50 Reliant Kore. They Charge you $29.75 when it should cost $25. They add a "fee" to every digital upgrade you do for a script changing a number in a database. Before anyone says: "But someone had to make the website and script". Of cause, the Backers paid for that already with pledges and subscriptions.

Arglebargle

Sounds to me like the refunds where putting a hitch in their giddyup.  Since we have no source other than CIG about the number of refund requests, that's certainly plausible.   Declaring the game 'released' is a pretty transparent ploy.  Can't see it helping their case much either, as it's pretty tone deaf.  

Roberts is not that great as a developer (as evidenced by them actually releasing that embarrassing video), and the brown nosers he surrounds himself with are not chosen solely for their design competence.  

Milkbzy

Arglebargle said:

Sounds to me like the refunds where putting a hitch in their giddyup.  Since we have no source other than CIG about the number of refund requests, that's certainly plausible.   Declaring the game 'released' is a pretty transparent ploy.  Can't see it helping their case much either, as it's pretty tone deaf.  

Roberts is not that great as a developer (as evidenced by them actually releasing that embarrassing video), and the brown nosers he surrounds himself with are not chosen solely for their design competence.  

I just don't think he's fit to be completely in charge of a project.  He's a guy who dreams up big ideas, but does not even bother to think of their practicality. This is why he's had a history of under delivering on his promises, still he has made some good games.

Vindicar

empty and bored poeples got nothing to do but hate for free.
It's easy and satisfaying, at first... you get to impress poeples with your "free mind" and rebelious posture... and then... you end alone, crying in the dark while poeples actually play the game... yes doods , the dark side is easy but will lead to your own destruction !

Most of the SC hate I keep reading is pure bullshit and troll.
Just look at the state of the game today... it already beats most of what we played (eccept the stability ofc) quality-wise.

I really fail to understand, thou, how any "real" gamer could not support SC... not asking everyone to be fanboyz... but how the fuck can a gamer not support such a project ?

pingo

Vindicar said:

empty and bored poeples got nothing to do but hate for free.
It's easy and satisfaying, at first... you get to impress poeples with your "free mind" and rebelious posture... and then... you end alone, crying in the dark while poeples actually play the game... yes doods , the dark side is easy but will lead to your own destruction !

Most of the SC hate I keep reading is pure bullshit and troll.
Just look at the state of the game today... it already beats most of what we played (eccept the stability ofc) quality-wise.

I really fail to understand, thou, how any "real" gamer could not support SC... not asking everyone to be fanboyz... but how the fuck can a gamer not support such a project ?

I agree. There is quite a lot of self destructive knee-jerk reactions. 


Seeing the seamless planetary landing made my jaw drop. I've never seen anything like that. I sincerely hope the game will be good when they finish it, even if it takes 2 or 3 more years. There is nothing like it on the horizon. There is nobody who would dare fund this project, so I am very happy they are making it.

Turrican187

pingo said:

Seeing the seamless planetary landing made my jaw drop. I've never seen anything like that.

It's called curved Terrain Shader (the terrain is flat and seamless attached to itself, bend dynamically with a sinus curve), there was also a hidden zone in, unfortunately you could only see one ship - I am curious how this plays out with many players.

Phaserlight

pingo said:

Vindicar said:

empty and bored poeples got nothing to do but hate for free.
It's easy and satisfaying, at first... you get to impress poeples with your "free mind" and rebelious posture... and then... you end alone, crying in the dark while poeples actually play the game... yes doods , the dark side is easy but will lead to your own destruction !

Most of the SC hate I keep reading is pure bullshit and troll.
Just look at the state of the game today... it already beats most of what we played (eccept the stability ofc) quality-wise.

I really fail to understand, thou, how any "real" gamer could not support SC... not asking everyone to be fanboyz... but how the fuck can a gamer not support such a project ?

I agree. There is quite a lot of self destructive knee-jerk reactions. 


Seeing the seamless planetary landing made my jaw drop. I've never seen anything like that. I sincerely hope the game will be good when they finish it, even if it takes 2 or 3 more years. There is nothing like it on the horizon. There is nobody who would dare fund this project, so I am very happy they are making it.

Then you haven't been watching. Seamless planetary landings comparable to what CIG has shown have been around for a while. 5 years, at least.

I-Novae engine, August 2nd, 2010:

sgel

Vindicar said:

Just look at the state of the game today... it already beats most of what we played (eccept the stability ofc) quality-wise.

I really fail to understand, thou, how any "real" gamer could not support SC... not asking everyone to be fanboyz... but how the fuck can a gamer not support such a project ?

It beats other games "quality-wise"!? Are you kidding me? What games does it beat? Games that actually work? What exactly do you mean by quality? How great the graphics look? Generic missions, bad animations, broken physics EVERYWHERE? This quality?

I've already backed the project but seeing how they constantly monetize EVERYTHING is a reason for not supporting this project (let alone their ridiculously slow development). They're a perfect example of the greedy corporations they so publicaly talked against about by going "indie".
I'd advise anyone to just wait it out and see how the game is on release (x years from now) then decide whether to buy it or not.

Daikuru

sgel said:

Vindicar said:

Just look at the state of the game today... it already beats most of what we played (eccept the stability ofc) quality-wise.

I really fail to understand, thou, how any "real" gamer could not support SC... not asking everyone to be fanboyz... but how the fuck can a gamer not support such a project ?

let alone their ridiculously slow development)

Seems you have no clue what it takes to develop a game like Star Citizen, its not like Line of Defense which could develop a monkey in 3 weeks. They are pretty fast in developing, all according to plan.

sgel

Daikuru said:

sgel said:

Vindicar said:

Just look at the state of the game today... it already beats most of what we played (eccept the stability ofc) quality-wise.

I really fail to understand, thou, how any "real" gamer could not support SC... not asking everyone to be fanboyz... but how the fuck can a gamer not support such a project ?

let alone their ridiculously slow development)

Seems you have no clue what it takes to develop a game like Star Citizen, its not like Line of Defense which could develop a monkey in 3 weeks. They are pretty fast in developing, all according to plan.

Yeah I guess the constant delays are all according to plan as well.
Guess the fact that they won't give release dates anymore because they can never meet them is all according to plan as well. 3+ years in, practically endless funding and all we have is a tech demo and around 0.6% of the features planned for release.
They release AC with a crappy flight model 1+ years ago and they STILL haven't managed to fix it.

Jezus christ they're using an FPS engine, hired an experienced FPS developer and they STILL can't get the FPS even remotely right.

By any freaking definition this is as slow as development gets. It's your fault if you've promised a world of features for your game when you can't even get the basics right.

I'm still hoping sometime in the future they're make a fun game but all this hyperbole from rabbid fans is ridiculous.

Meantime, this is the BDSSE:

Daikuru

sgel said:

Daikuru said:

sgel said:

Vindicar said:

Just look at the state of the game today... it already beats most of what we played (eccept the stability ofc) quality-wise.

I really fail to understand, thou, how any "real" gamer could not support SC... not asking everyone to be fanboyz... but how the fuck can a gamer not support such a project ?

let alone their ridiculously slow development)

Seems you have no clue what it takes to develop a game like Star Citizen, its not like Line of Defense which could develop a monkey in 3 weeks. They are pretty fast in developing, all according to plan.

Yeah I guess the constant delays are all according to plan as well.
Guess the fact that they won't give release dates anymore because they can never meet them is all according to plan as well. 3+ years in, practically endless funding and all we have is a tech demo and around 0.6% of the features planned for release.
They release AC with a crappy flight model 1+ years ago and they STILL haven't managed to fix it.

Jezus christ they're using an FPS engine, hired an experienced FPS developer and they STILL can't get the FPS even remotely right.

By any freaking definition this is as slow as development gets. It's your fault if you've promised a world of features for your game when you can't even get the basics right.

I'm still hoping sometime in the future they're make a fun game but all this hyperbole from rabbid fans is ridiculous.

Meantime, this is the BDSSE:

Delays are pretty normal in developing software and games especially huge games like SC.
They dont give release dates, just like other companies too, until they know the release date themself.
To be in Alpha 2.0 after 3 years of development isn't slow, and its not just a tech demo like you try to suggest. 

Seems like you didnt watch Alpha 2.0 gameplay footage recently. this game is improving pretty fast.

Some people have really ridiculous expactations from this game, other games with more budget took 5-6 years to develop there are not exceptions for SC just because they have raised 100 mio via crowdfunding

development takes time, and thats good, so they can get it right, be patient and watch SC progressing.

sgel

Daikuru said:

sgel said:

Daikuru said:

sgel said:

Vindicar said:

Just look at the state of the game today... it already beats most of what we played (eccept the stability ofc) quality-wise.

I really fail to understand, thou, how any "real" gamer could not support SC... not asking everyone to be fanboyz... but how the fuck can a gamer not support such a project ?

let alone their ridiculously slow development)

Seems you have no clue what it takes to develop a game like Star Citizen, its not like Line of Defense which could develop a monkey in 3 weeks. They are pretty fast in developing, all according to plan.

Yeah I guess the constant delays are all according to plan as well.
Guess the fact that they won't give release dates anymore because they can never meet them is all according to plan as well. 3+ years in, practically endless funding and all we have is a tech demo and around 0.6% of the features planned for release.
They release AC with a crappy flight model 1+ years ago and they STILL haven't managed to fix it.

Jezus christ they're using an FPS engine, hired an experienced FPS developer and they STILL can't get the FPS even remotely right.

By any freaking definition this is as slow as development gets. It's your fault if you've promised a world of features for your game when you can't even get the basics right.

I'm still hoping sometime in the future they're make a fun game but all this hyperbole from rabbid fans is ridiculous.

Meantime, this is the BDSSE:

Delays are pretty normal in developing software and games especially huge games like SC.
They dont give release dates, just like other companies too, until they know the release date themself.
To be in Alpha 2.0 after 3 years of development isn't slow, and its not just a tech demo like you try to suggest. 

Seems like you didnt watch Alpha 2.0 gameplay footage recently. this game is improving pretty fast.

Some people have really ridiculous expactations from this game, other games with more budget took 5-6 years to develop there are not exceptions for SC just because they have raised 100 mio via crowdfunding

development takes time, and thats good, so they can get it right, be patient and watch SC progressing.

Alpha 2.0 is a tech demo. It's impressive what they've done with the CryEngine but it's still just a demo, full of bugs and with no stability. There's a reason developers don't normally release crap like this.

I've watched Alpha 2.0 footage and I've actually played it. Sure they're patching stuff but there's so many broken things it's not even funny.

As for the ridiculous expectations remark, have you actually seen what CIG has promised to deliver for the game? Do you think in 2 years they will have delivered it at this rate of development?
As for funding, CR himself said that crowdfunded funds are like 3x what you'd get from publishers, so please for the love of god don't bring up funding. They have way more than they would need.
CIG also mentioned ages ago, when people were worried about feature creep, that the more money they get the faster they can develop the game. Then again they've said so much bullshit over the year it's hard to actually take them seriously these days.

Daikuru

sgel said:

Daikuru said:

sgel said:

Daikuru said:

sgel said:

Vindicar said:

Just look at the state of the game today... it already beats most of what we played (eccept the stability ofc) quality-wise.

I really fail to understand, thou, how any "real" gamer could not support SC... not asking everyone to be fanboyz... but how the fuck can a gamer not support such a project ?

let alone their ridiculously slow development)

Seems you have no clue what it takes to develop a game like Star Citizen, its not like Line of Defense which could develop a monkey in 3 weeks. They are pretty fast in developing, all according to plan.

Yeah I guess the constant delays are all according to plan as well.
Guess the fact that they won't give release dates anymore because they can never meet them is all according to plan as well. 3+ years in, practically endless funding and all we have is a tech demo and around 0.6% of the features planned for release.
They release AC with a crappy flight model 1+ years ago and they STILL haven't managed to fix it.

Jezus christ they're using an FPS engine, hired an experienced FPS developer and they STILL can't get the FPS even remotely right.

By any freaking definition this is as slow as development gets. It's your fault if you've promised a world of features for your game when you can't even get the basics right.

I'm still hoping sometime in the future they're make a fun game but all this hyperbole from rabbid fans is ridiculous.

Meantime, this is the BDSSE:

Delays are pretty normal in developing software and games especially huge games like SC.
They dont give release dates, just like other companies too, until they know the release date themself.
To be in Alpha 2.0 after 3 years of development isn't slow, and its not just a tech demo like you try to suggest. 

Seems like you didnt watch Alpha 2.0 gameplay footage recently. this game is improving pretty fast.

Some people have really ridiculous expactations from this game, other games with more budget took 5-6 years to develop there are not exceptions for SC just because they have raised 100 mio via crowdfunding

development takes time, and thats good, so they can get it right, be patient and watch SC progressing.

As for the ridiculous expectations remark, have you actually seen what CIG has promised to deliver for the game? Do you think in 2 years they will have delivered it at this rate of development?

Yes, i believe at the end of 2017 we will have a complete, full featured and released game.

Pratt2112

Daikuru said:

sgel said:

Vindicar said:

Just look at the state of the game today... it already beats most of what we played (eccept the stability ofc) quality-wise.

I really fail to understand, thou, how any "real" gamer could not support SC... not asking everyone to be fanboyz... but how the fuck can a gamer not support such a project ?

let alone their ridiculously slow development)

Seems you have no clue what it takes to develop a game like Star Citizen, its not like Line of Defense which could develop a monkey in 3 weeks. They are pretty fast in developing, all according to plan.

Apparently, neither does Chris Roberts, considering all the delays.

If only fans could separate themselves from the thing enough to see it more objectively. To those who haven't drank the Kool-Aid, and look at everything happening for what it is, not buying into the PR spin it's construed as, this whole thing is a train-wreck happening in slow motion.

As for the "LoD being developed by a monkey in 3 weeks". Can you back that up? Or is that just empty hyperbole being thrown out by a fan who's drunk too much of the Kool-Aid?

sgel

Daikuru said:

Yes, i believe at the end of 2017 we will have a complete, full featured and released game.

Of course we will.

"Don't worry. It's a known issue. Everything is normal."

rpmcmurphy

"Don't worry. It's a known issue. Everything is normal."

jcrg99

sgel said:

Daikuru said:

Yes, i believe at the end of 2017 we will have a complete, full featured and released game.

Of course we will.

"Don't worry. It's a known issue. Everything is normal."

In 2013 was end of 2014. In 2014 was end of 2015. I thought the new speech of fans was end of 2016. So they are already starting to change their claims for end of 2017 then. Fascinating.

CrazKanuk

jcrg99 said:

sgel said:

Daikuru said:

Yes, i believe at the end of 2017 we will have a complete, full featured and released game.

Of course we will.

"Don't worry. It's a known issue. Everything is normal."

In 2013 was end of 2014. In 2014 was end of 2015. I thought the new speech of fans was end of 2016. So they are already starting to change their claims for end of 2017 then. Fascinating.

No, The Division ships in 2016 now, they finally said that for sure. 

Daikuru

jcrg99 said:

sgel said:

Daikuru said:

Yes, i believe at the end of 2017 we will have a complete, full featured and released game.

Of course we will.

"Don't worry. It's a known issue. Everything is normal."

In 2013 was end of 2014. In 2014 was end of 2015. I thought the new speech of fans was end of 2016. So they are already starting to change their claims for end of 2017 then. Fascinating.

I just answered his quuestion, which was if i think they will have devilered in 2 years.
Also im not the speaker of all fans out there, its my personal guess, nothing more, fascinating, isn't it?

jcrg99

CrazKanuk said:

jcrg99 said:

sgel said:

Daikuru said:

Yes, i believe at the end of 2017 we will have a complete, full featured and released game.

Of course we will.

"Don't worry. It's a known issue. Everything is normal."

In 2013 was end of 2014. In 2014 was end of 2015. I thought the new speech of fans was end of 2016. So they are already starting to change their claims for end of 2017 then. Fascinating.

No, The Division ships in 2016 now, they finally said that for sure. 

When you bought The Division?

Orthelian

jcrg99 said:

sgel said:

Daikuru said:

Yes, i believe at the end of 2017 we will have a complete, full featured and released game.

Of course we will.

"Don't worry. It's a known issue. Everything is normal."

In 2013 was end of 2014. In 2014 was end of 2015. I thought the new speech of fans was end of 2016. So they are already starting to change their claims for end of 2017 then. Fascinating.

Where is this coming from? It's been "end of 2016" since 2013: http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Anticipated_Release_Schedule#Star_Citizen

Which would be very typical game development, I note, and very rapid for what it is. As it has been.

jcrg99

Saerain said:

jcrg99 said:

sgel said:

Daikuru said:

Yes, i believe at the end of 2017 we will have a complete, full featured and released game.

Of course we will.

"Don't worry. It's a known issue. Everything is normal."

In 2013 was end of 2014. In 2014 was end of 2015. I thought the new speech of fans was end of 2016. So they are already starting to change their claims for end of 2017 then. Fascinating.

Where is this coming from? It's been "end of 2016" since 2013: http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Anticipated_Release_Schedule#Star_Citizen

Which would be very typical game development, I note, and very rapid for what it is. As it has been.

This Star Citizen wiki page has been updated as Roberts changes his delivery estimates. It was end of 2014 first. Then started to move to end 2015. Then to end of 2016. And now it seems moving to end of 2017.

The purpose seems always to make "new victims" to believe that the full game is just one year far or worst case scenario 2 years far.

rodarin

Saerain said:

jcrg99 said:

sgel said:

Daikuru said:

Yes, i believe at the end of 2017 we will have a complete, full featured and released game.

Of course we will.

"Don't worry. It's a known issue. Everything is normal."

In 2013 was end of 2014. In 2014 was end of 2015. I thought the new speech of fans was end of 2016. So they are already starting to change their claims for end of 2017 then. Fascinating.

Where is this coming from? It's been "end of 2016" since 2013: http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Anticipated_Release_Schedule#Star_Citizen

Which would be very typical game development, I note, and very rapid for what it is. As it has been.

Yeah because wikis arent edited.....


You might want to click the footnote links and see that Forbes YouTube video. footnote 3. Wikis an be edited (much like ToS can) but youtube vids not so much.

Start at the 22 minute mark or so and he 'roadmaps' it all out. Worst case (his words) sometime around end of 2015 release with persistent universe, dogfighting mod and single player mod, hanger mod. So basically a release of the FULL game. 

Also said ''this game is going to cost 20 million to make" that was when they had maybe 9-10(stated at start of video). So now at the time the full release was supposed to be delivered, and more than 5 times what he said at the time it was going to cost (even AFTER he changed the vision) toy have the same hanger mod that they promised to deliver in Aug of 2013.(also in the video.

In case you cant be bothered to click footnote links here is direct link to video....

Brenics

Really is sad how they can't keep anything about this game in perspective and how Roberts keeps changing dates and hopes no one notices. It just seems to me he wants to keep his loyal base uninformed on all the lies he has stated. Really he would of made a better politician.