I have no idea if he lies or not, that isnt even the point. I think you might have completely misunderstood me.
You base your judgements on the future based on
A. your dreamy wish or B. evidence you have before you although limited.
So the only evidence we have thus far is CR saying that it will not be a pay to win model 'by mistake' of allowing players to buy ships. So with that being the ONLY evidence on the table at the moment why would you think its the exact opposite and instead just randomly make up something?
The only evidence we have is that there is currently a cash shop. That is a fact and evidence.
CR saying it will not be pay to win model is not evidence. This assumes aposteriori knowledge. We only know facts by examination and we can't examine something in the future. Unless you can see the future, this is not evidence.
No one can say if it will be pay to win or have a cash shop. At this point it has a cash shop.
interesting. so all cash shops are pay to win?
and where is this cash shop you speak of?
1. You can buy and start the game with the best ship and equipment. This is equal to starting max level with best armour in WoW. (No, not all cash shops are pay to win. Some are only selling cosmetics. Clearly not the case here.)
On a side note while browsing their cash shop i came across the ship upgrades:
What is really despicable and a pretty obvious cash grab is the upgrading of ships. For example: You upgrade from a $25 Aurora MR to a $50 Reliant Kore. They Charge you $29.75 when it should cost $25. They add a "fee" to every digital upgrade you do for a script changing a number in a database. Before anyone says: "But someone had to make the website and script". Of cause, the Backers paid for that already with pledges and subscriptions.
Wait. They charge you a fee for purchasing a cash shop item and a pay to win item at that?? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I have no idea if he lies or not, that isnt even the point. I think you might have completely misunderstood me.
You base your judgements on the future based on
A. your dreamy wish or B. evidence you have before you although limited.
So the only evidence we have thus far is CR saying that it will not be a pay to win model 'by mistake' of allowing players to buy ships. So with that being the ONLY evidence on the table at the moment why would you think its the exact opposite and instead just randomly make up something?
The only evidence we have is that there is currently a cash shop. That is a fact and evidence.
CR saying it will not be pay to win model is not evidence. This assumes aposteriori knowledge. We only know facts by examination and we can't examine something in the future. Unless you can see the future, this is not evidence.
No one can say if it will be pay to win or have a cash shop. At this point it has a cash shop.
interesting. so all cash shops are pay to win?
and where is this cash shop you speak of?
1. You can buy and start the game with the best ship and equipment.
did you ever read a single word I said??????????????????????
The entire point here is that CR addressed the question of 'pay to win DIRECTLY related to the ships you can buy now which as it stands is the ONLY evidence we have of what might happend.
I really would not mind if people read what I wrote and at least replied to the subject at hand rather than just randomly ignoring it
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Wait. They charge you a fee for purchasing a cash shop item and a pay to win item at that?? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I literally almost fell off my fucking chair.
There is something better than that. He is saying now that needs 150 million dollars to complete the Squadron 42 trilogy.
So, in the best case scenario, IF they manage to release such trilogy, the backers (you know, these guys who will give their money to achieve this quantity to make the trilogy be done, so, in other words, they already paid for it) are going to have to buy the sequences when released (her donations does not cover it), except by a few that backed earlier and will get the first two, but everyone still will have to pay for the third episode.
And there is all the talking that more money would produce more content. Still, they already announced in a Reverse the Verse episode, from the mouth of Erin Roberts that a basic feature which convinced people to pledge earlier was removed - the coop gameplay for the Squadron 42 campaign.
And the Private Servers features, also described as part of the basic game, seems very difficult to realize now in the way that they hyped in the first years, and probably won't come in the day one, in whatever year that be the day one (that should be one year ago actually).
User 1: 'CR said that the ships you can buy now will be easy to get or some other means in which it will make the final version of the game not play to win' User 2 response: 'its already pay to win because you can buy the best ships in the game'
oh my god
really?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Wait. They charge you a fee for purchasing a cash shop item and a pay to win item at that?? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I literally almost fell off my fucking chair.
I son't see anything Pay2Win about this........ Only Pay,
Yeah, let's sell all these ships to everyone, make millions, and someday in the future solve the problem of a non-functional pay-to-win economy someway.
Really is sad how they can't keep anything about this game in perspective and how Roberts keeps changing dates and hopes no one notices. It just seems to me he wants to keep his loyal base uninformed on all the lies he has stated. Really he would of made a better politician.
Actually, the date listed on that page was set up as 2015 initially, then it shifted to 2016 midway through 2014. So the release date for Star Citizen and S42 has been 2016 for the past year and a half. If you care to check for yourself, go look it up on the Internet Archive. I know it actually takes effort and research and doesn't lend itself to your agenda, but it is at least factual.
Yeah, let's sell all these ships to everyone, make millions, and someday in the future solve the problem of a non-functional pay-to-win economy someway.
EXACTLY! someone is catching on.
What we dont know however is how he plans to fix the pay-to-win economy but he did state that is the plans.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
User 1: 'CR said that the ships you can buy now will be easy to get or some other means in which it will make the final version of the game not play to win' User 2 response: 'its already pay to win because you can buy the best ships in the game'
oh my god
really?
Users have different opinions about different subjects. You can't claim contradiction when the users are different people.
I disagree with user 1. It won't be easy, except by people playing 24/7, which is far from the reality of the majority.
And I agree with user 2.
My real issue with the pay-to-win issue in Star Citizen, is that it was false advertised and used as a bait, they were deceptive and did not follow his legal obligations of not been. Wrong doing. Broke the law.
I am not against "pay2win" games, if the company behind the game do not try to pretend that the game is not pay to win. I just think that customers/gamers must to fight for honest companies, not companies pretending things because it helps to get more money. People should know that it won't work for long term purposes. Specially in the CIG scenario, focused in a niche market.
Some can claim that it is almost an standard attitude, so it's ok, but I disagree and I think that its exaggeration and sensationalism about the game industry, just to paint CR as the one to save us all, and besides, CIG made of his advertising message, one of his strong messages that they weren't or wouldn't become this type of company.
I let the Ben Kenobi's wisdom here because it fits perfectly with what happened with this project and company, under the perception of many backers (which in my opinion are in the right side of the force):
And nothing better that the own Chris Roberts today, sharing his current message:
User 1: 'CR said that the ships you can buy now will be easy to get or some other means in which it will make the final version of the game not play to win' User 2 response: 'its already pay to win because you can buy the best ships in the game'
oh my god
really?
Users have different opinions about different subjects. You can't claim contradiction when the users are different people.
I disagree with user 1. It won't be easy, except by people playing 24/7, which is far from the reality of the majority.
And I agree with user 2.
that makes no sense but whatever. ---------------------------------------------------
CR said that he plans to make it as such that the current pay-to-win is not pay-to-win. That is not an opinion, it is what he said. Sorry I dont have a link just memmory.
(NOW...wait keep reading. stay with the whole story here)
does his statement mean he will do it? no does his statement mean he will NOT do it? no
(stay with me keep reading)
What other evidence do we have that he will not do it? NONE.
so what is the standing evidence we have at the moment?
none + what CR said.
(keep reading not yet done)
So...you base your theory on the future based on (1) no evidence at all or (2) what someone said who is in charge.
choosing option 1 is more risky to be incorrect than option 2.
(keep reading)
HOWEVER.... that does not mean option 1 is incorrect, it just means at this piont in the game option 2 is statistically more likely.
did you read all of that? did you understand all of it?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
There is something better than that. He is saying now that needs 150 million dollars to complete the Squadron 42 trilogy.
Can you please link or direct us to the relevant info ?
What info? He just throws out random things without linking any relevant information. If he actually linked something relevant I would probably faint.
Anyway, even if that was the case, it doesn't really matter because we all know that S42 is going to be episodic so it will not release all at once. I believe that the plan, also, is to have the third episode be paid content for all, so that's money there anyway.
So the context of whatever was said is paramount since he could be talking about the third episode. Unfortunately I doubt there is a link to support it. As far as I can tell the only place I've seen $150 million and SC mentioned in the same sentence is through this guys butt plug (Derek Smart), on his website.
Either way, maybe he'll surprise me and actually be able to link something. I would be super surprised though.
Yeah, let's sell all these ships to everyone, make millions, and someday in the future solve the problem of a non-functional pay-to-win economy someway.
EXACTLY! someone is catching on.
What we dont know however is how he plans to fix the pay-to-win economy but he did state that is the plans.
Or he'll just try to call it something else.. like Pay-to-be-lazy or something.
Yeah, let's sell all these ships to everyone, make millions, and someday in the future solve the problem of a non-functional pay-to-win economy someway.
EXACTLY! someone is catching on.
What we dont know however is how he plans to fix the pay-to-win economy but he did state that is the plans.
Or he'll just try to call it something else.. like Pay-to-be-lazy or something.
perhaps..
the point is
1. one should not just completely ignore the known facts when making an prediction 2. one should have some kind of baseline for the inverse other than you just dont like the guy
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
User 1: 'CR said that the ships you can buy now will be easy to get or some other means in which it will make the final version of the game not play to win' User 2 response: 'its already pay to win because you can buy the best ships in the game'
oh my god
really?
Users have different opinions about different subjects. You can't claim contradiction when the users are different people.
I disagree with user 1. It won't be easy, except by people playing 24/7, which is far from the reality of the majority.
And I agree with user 2.
that makes no sense but whatever. ---------------------------------------------------
CR said that he plans to make it as such that the current pay-to-win is not pay-to-win. That is not an opinion, it is what he said. Sorry I dont have a link just memmory.
(NOW...wait keep reading. stay with the whole story here)
does his statement mean he will do it? no does his statement mean he will NOT do it? no
(stay with me keep reading)
What other evidence do we have that he will not do it? NONE.
Your basic premise for your conclusion failed at this point. There are evidences that he will not do it. The evidence is simple. All his plans shared with the public so far, without exception, failed, for this project. His past history is another evidence.
Really is sad how they can't keep anything about this game in perspective and how Roberts keeps changing dates and hopes no one notices. It just seems to me he wants to keep his loyal base uninformed on all the lies he has stated. Really he would of made a better politician.
Not changing dates after scope increase is what would be sad and not the other way around. Keeping anything abut this game in perspective is also what would be sad and not the other way around.
Releasing a moderate in size, safe, properly working from start, with limited scope game on time for just enough money while focusing on being vigilant and fiscally responsible as primary goals is also what would be extremely sad.
Accepting engine limitations and moderating expectations is also something that would be sad.
So far the game, the studio, and the studio head are doing everything opposite to this, which is what makes it extremely NOT sad, and at least gives all of us gamers around the world a possibility for a paradigm shift.
Which is the main reason for all this money, dreamers giving a possible visionary bucket loads of cash, and not being afraid of their own shadow for it not to succeed, not unlike the fine men and women who risked everything to travel across the ocean to unknown lands at the cost of everything for just for a glimpse of something that nobody knew what would become of at that time.
explorers yearning for change vs status quo safety & stability over all That's the underlying theme of even this debate once you peel of all the agendas,personal opinions,and all the other higher cognitive stuff.
User 1: 'CR said that the ships you can buy now will be easy to get or some other means in which it will make the final version of the game not play to win' User 2 response: 'its already pay to win because you can buy the best ships in the game'
oh my god
really?
Users have different opinions about different subjects. You can't claim contradiction when the users are different people.
I disagree with user 1. It won't be easy, except by people playing 24/7, which is far from the reality of the majority.
And I agree with user 2.
that makes no sense but whatever. ---------------------------------------------------
CR said that he plans to make it as such that the current pay-to-win is not pay-to-win. That is not an opinion, it is what he said. Sorry I dont have a link just memmory.
(NOW...wait keep reading. stay with the whole story here)
does his statement mean he will do it? no does his statement mean he will NOT do it? no
(stay with me keep reading)
What other evidence do we have that he will not do it? NONE.
Your basic premise for your conclusion failed at this point. There are evidences that he will not do it. The evidence is simple. All his plans shared with the public so far, without exception, failed, for this project. His past history is another evidence.
yeah that would be pretty much B.S.
Late? yes absoutly. failed? nope I havent seen everything he has said but thus far it appears what he says he is going to do he has done. It just takes him 12 months longer to do it is all
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
User 1: 'CR said that the ships you can buy now will be easy to get or some other means in which it will make the final version of the game not play to win' User 2 response: 'its already pay to win because you can buy the best ships in the game'
oh my god
really?
Users have different opinions about different subjects. You can't claim contradiction when the users are different people.
I disagree with user 1. It won't be easy, except by people playing 24/7, which is far from the reality of the majority.
And I agree with user 2.
that makes no sense but whatever. ---------------------------------------------------
CR said that he plans to make it as such that the current pay-to-win is not pay-to-win. That is not an opinion, it is what he said. Sorry I dont have a link just memmory.
(NOW...wait keep reading. stay with the whole story here)
does his statement mean he will do it? no does his statement mean he will NOT do it? no
(stay with me keep reading)
What other evidence do we have that he will not do it? NONE.
Your basic premise for your conclusion failed at this point. There are evidences that he will not do it. The evidence is simple. All his plans shared with the public so far, without exception, failed, for this project. His past history is another evidence.
yeah that would be pretty much B.S.
Late? yes absoutly. failed? nope I havent seen everything he has said but thus far it appears what he says he is going to do he has done. It just takes him 12 months longer to do it is all
Ok and how much more will that cost backers? Let's say he has 20m left or even 30 or 50m, Then think how much did it cost him to get to where he is now? He clearly said the engine they have built is not going to work and has to redo it to make it work. How much and how long will that take? Most developing game's already have the working engine by this time. So he pretty much has been throwing money building this engine that isn't going to work. I really fail to see why you fans can't see this will cost a lot more and time. Plus keeping on the track he is on he won't be able to make the 2.0 work with out redoing the whole engine. Though a lot of you don't believe that and he just has to rework the engine he has been working on the last 3 years.
This is actually becoming unbelievable. But you guys keep the faith. :-D
jrpg99, Brenics, Derek Smart If u need something to blame for why all of this is happening the way it is, blame human curiosity and the part of the population which isn't afraid of "change"
And not gullible or a similar insulting excuse. There's more reason than one why they are getting this much money, and the uglier smaller half is not as big as u are presenting it.
I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right thread or not because I haven't been following it. Should I have started a new thread? That seems to be the theme presented by the OP at least. It does seem a lot easier to just ask people what the final verdict is from all the countless threads in a whole new thread but then, why give a shit at all if you're not following the game? It's basically saying "hi, I don't give a shit about something, so why don't you waste some of your time enlightening me about all the details just in case I feel bored enough to read what you have to say!"
So here you go. It's the BEST thing ever. This is a WORLD CHANGING GAME! Invest everything you have to it. Leverage yourself fully and put it all to the game. Special people like you need to take advantage of special deals like this. Devote 100% into it. If all you have is a cardboard box to live in, well you're still not investing enough. If you can still bleed you can sell that blood and invest the money into this game.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
Late? yes absoutly. failed? nope I havent seen everything he has said but thus far it appears what he says he is going to do he has done. It just takes him 12 months longer to do it is all
You obviously don't see too much. CR failed in all his plans and already told that won't accomplish the coop feature of the SP campaign.
More money, better game? Coming faster? Hmmmm...
You said that there are NONE in terms of evidences. You failed in that point as I said, so your conclusion failed too.
It's possible that he will transform this game in No-Pay-To-Win? Never say never... but is hard to believe that the issue won't be felt for a majority of people that won't comprehend the meaning of this, as CR comprehends, anyway.
CR just argue that because you can acquire everything by gameplay, that means that there is no pay-to-win. This was his argument. But something that he brought later, and deliberately omitted the information to people in his main advertising, explaining what was his thoughts about the meaning of P2W in the own bullet or in the FAQ whatever, in the main ad, so consumers weren't mislead. He failed in his legal responsibility of not been deceptive in this instance (and in many others). End of story.
I have no idea if he lies or not, that isnt even the point. I think you might have completely misunderstood me.
You base your judgements on the future based on
A. your dreamy wish or B. evidence you have before you although limited.
So the only evidence we have thus far is CR saying that it will not be a pay to win model 'by mistake' of allowing players to buy ships. So with that being the ONLY evidence on the table at the moment why would you think its the exact opposite and instead just randomly make up something?
The only evidence we have is that there is currently a cash shop. That is a fact and evidence.
CR saying it will not be pay to win model is not evidence. This assumes aposteriori knowledge. We only know facts by examination and we can't examine something in the future. Unless you can see the future, this is not evidence.
No one can say if it will be pay to win or have a cash shop. At this point it has a cash shop.
interesting. so all cash shops are pay to win?
and where is this cash shop you speak of?
1. You can buy and start the game with the best ship and equipment.
did you ever read a single word I said??????????????????????
The entire point here is that CR addressed the question of 'pay to win DIRECTLY related to the ships you can buy now which as it stands is the ONLY evidence we have of what might happend.
I really would not mind if people read what I wrote and at least replied to the subject at hand rather than just randomly ignoring it
I answered your questions. You just chose to ignore them because you know you have no arguments and again you try to weasel out of it by quoting just one sentence of my post.
Chris Roberts saying that something will happen in the future is not evidence. You assume A posteriori knowledge pretty much claiming you can see into the future. Someone saying something will happen is not evidence.
The only evidence in facto we have is the existing cash shop and pay to win ship market.
1. You can buy and start the game with the best ship and equipment. This is equal to starting max level with best armour in WoW. (No, not all cash shops are pay to win. Some are only selling cosmetics. Clearly not the case here.)
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There is something better than that. He is saying now that needs 150 million dollars to complete the Squadron 42 trilogy.
Can you please link or direct us to the relevant info ?
What info? He just throws out random things without linking any relevant information. If he actually linked something relevant I would probably faint.
Anyway, even if that was the case, it doesn't really matter because we all know that S42 is going to be episodic so it will not release all at once.
It won't be released at the same time for a matter of time itself. But they are been already funded, the backers are already putting their money into them and later, the same backers who paid for it, will be charged if willing to get the DLC. That is already the case of Behind Enemy Lines, funded in a stretch goal while ago, but that ended expanded. The backers who paid the original are getting for free. But the backers who paid for the expanded, will have to pay additional dollars... in other words, the majority of the backers are paying for this expanded Behind Enemy Lines but won't have the right to get a copy of it. Will have to pay for it again.
A whole new level of shit in the game industry that people are willing to support. That's the point here.
In previous discussions I shared links, etc. when necessary. You ignored and fled of the discussions when I did that. Or made some silly comment just as you did now, trying to convince people who was not aware of our previous discussions, that you always "asked for evidences/objectivity and never got". Nice try. For this case now, you don't need evidences, because you are aware of the fact that BEL was financed long ago. The rest is just use your brain cells, those that are not singing some Chris Roberts song.
There is something better than that. He is saying now that needs 150 million dollars to complete the Squadron 42 trilogy.
Can you please link or direct us to the relevant info ?
What info? He just throws out random things without linking any relevant information. If he actually linked something relevant I would probably faint.
Anyway, even if that was the case, it doesn't really matter because we all know that S42 is going to be episodic so it will not release all at once.
It won't be released at the same time for a matter of time itself. But they are been already funded, the backers are already putting their money into them and later, the same backers who paid for it, will be charged if willing to get the DLC. That is already the case of Behind Enemy Lines, funded in a stretch goal while ago, but that ended expanded. The backers who paid the original are getting for free. But the backers who paid for the expanded, will have to pay additional dollars... in other words, the majority of the backers are paying for this expanded Behind Enemy Lines but won't have the right to get a copy of it. Will have to pay for it again.
A whole new level of shit in the game industry that people are willing to support. That's the point here.
In previous discussions I shared links, etc. when necessary. You ignored and fled of the discussions when I did that. Or made some silly comment just as you did now, trying to convince people who was not aware of our previous discussions, that you always "asked for evidences/objectivity and never got". Nice try. For this case now, you don't need evidences, because you are aware of the fact that BEL was financed long ago. The rest is just use your brain cells, those that are not singing some Chris Roberts song.
Why dont post the links here, for all those who "missed" them?
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I literally almost fell off my fucking chair.
The entire point here is that CR addressed the question of 'pay to win DIRECTLY related to the ships you can buy now which as it stands is the ONLY evidence we have of what might happend.
I really would not mind if people read what I wrote and at least replied to the subject at hand rather than just randomly ignoring it
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
So, in the best case scenario, IF they manage to release such trilogy, the backers (you know, these guys who will give their money to achieve this quantity to make the trilogy be done, so, in other words, they already paid for it) are going to have to buy the sequences when released (her donations does not cover it), except by a few that backed earlier and will get the first two, but everyone still will have to pay for the third episode.
There are so many other curious things that they did. Like that promotion of the $2500 ships, well covered by this article: http://www.tentonhammer.com/columns/respawn/star-citizens-2500-ship-dreams
The community is "awesome" - says he.
And there is all the talking that more money would produce more content. Still, they already announced in a Reverse the Verse episode, from the mouth of Erin Roberts that a basic feature which convinced people to pledge earlier was removed - the coop gameplay for the Squadron 42 campaign.
And the Private Servers features, also described as part of the basic game, seems very difficult to realize now in the way that they hyped in the first years, and probably won't come in the day one, in whatever year that be the day one (that should be one year ago actually).
User 1: 'CR said that the ships you can buy now will be easy to get or some other means in which it will make the final version of the game not play to win'
User 2 response: 'its already pay to win because you can buy the best ships in the game'
oh
my
god
really?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Only Pay,
..Cake..
Actually, the date listed on that page was set up as 2015 initially, then it shifted to 2016 midway through 2014. So the release date for Star Citizen and S42 has been 2016 for the past year and a half. If you care to check for yourself, go look it up on the Internet Archive. I know it actually takes effort and research and doesn't lend itself to your agenda, but it is at least factual.
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What we dont know however is how he plans to fix the pay-to-win economy but he did state that is the plans.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I disagree with user 1. It won't be easy, except by people playing 24/7, which is far from the reality of the majority.
And I agree with user 2.
My real issue with the pay-to-win issue in Star Citizen, is that it was false advertised and used as a bait, they were deceptive and did not follow his legal obligations of not been. Wrong doing. Broke the law.
I am not against "pay2win" games, if the company behind the game do not try to pretend that the game is not pay to win. I just think that customers/gamers must to fight for honest companies, not companies pretending things because it helps to get more money. People should know that it won't work for long term purposes. Specially in the CIG scenario, focused in a niche market.
Some can claim that it is almost an standard attitude, so it's ok, but I disagree and I think that its exaggeration and sensationalism about the game industry, just to paint CR as the one to save us all, and besides, CIG made of his advertising message, one of his strong messages that they weren't or wouldn't become this type of company.
I let the Ben Kenobi's wisdom here because it fits perfectly with what happened with this project and company, under the perception of many backers (which in my opinion are in the right side of the force):
And nothing better that the own Chris Roberts today, sharing his current message:
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CR said that he plans to make it as such that the current pay-to-win is not pay-to-win.
That is not an opinion, it is what he said. Sorry I dont have a link just memmory.
(NOW...wait keep reading. stay with the whole story here)
does his statement mean he will do it?
no
does his statement mean he will NOT do it?
no
(stay with me keep reading)
What other evidence do we have that he will not do it?
NONE.
so what is the standing evidence we have at the moment?
none + what CR said.
(keep reading not yet done)
So...you base your theory on the future based on (1) no evidence at all or (2) what someone said who is in charge.
choosing option 1 is more risky to be incorrect than option 2.
(keep reading)
HOWEVER....
that does not mean option 1 is incorrect, it just means at this piont in the game option 2 is statistically more likely.
did you read all of that? did you understand all of it?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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What info? He just throws out random things without linking any relevant information. If he actually linked something relevant I would probably faint.
Anyway, even if that was the case, it doesn't really matter because we all know that S42 is going to be episodic so it will not release all at once. I believe that the plan, also, is to have the third episode be paid content for all, so that's money there anyway.
So the context of whatever was said is paramount since he could be talking about the third episode. Unfortunately I doubt there is a link to support it. As far as I can tell the only place I've seen $150 million and SC mentioned in the same sentence is through this guys butt plug (Derek Smart), on his website.
Either way, maybe he'll surprise me and actually be able to link something. I would be super surprised though.
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the point is
1. one should not just completely ignore the known facts when making an prediction
2. one should have some kind of baseline for the inverse other than you just dont like the guy
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Releasing a moderate in size, safe, properly working from start, with limited scope game on time for just enough money while focusing on being vigilant and fiscally responsible as primary goals is also what would be extremely sad.
Accepting engine limitations and moderating expectations is also something that would be sad.
So far the game, the studio, and the studio head are doing everything opposite to this, which is what makes it extremely NOT sad, and at least gives all of us gamers around the world a possibility for a paradigm shift.
Which is the main reason for all this money, dreamers giving a possible visionary bucket loads of cash, and not being afraid of their own shadow for it not to succeed, not unlike the fine men and women who risked everything to travel across the ocean to unknown lands at the cost of everything for just for a glimpse of something that nobody knew what would become of at that time.
explorers yearning for change vs status quo safety & stability over all
That's the underlying theme of even this debate once you peel of all the agendas,personal opinions,and all the other higher cognitive stuff.
Lizard brains duking it out i say
Late? yes absoutly. failed? nope I havent seen everything he has said but thus far it appears what he says he is going to do he has done. It just takes him 12 months longer to do it is all
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This is actually becoming unbelievable. But you guys keep the faith. :-D
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
jrpg99, Brenics, Derek Smart If u need something to blame for why all of this is happening the way it is, blame human curiosity and the part of the population which isn't afraid of "change"
And not gullible or a similar insulting excuse. There's more reason than one why they are getting this much money, and the uglier smaller half is not as big as u are presenting it.
I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right thread or not because I haven't been following it. Should I have started a new thread? That seems to be the theme presented by the OP at least. It does seem a lot easier to just ask people what the final verdict is from all the countless threads in a whole new thread but then, why give a shit at all if you're not following the game? It's basically saying "hi, I don't give a shit about something, so why don't you waste some of your time enlightening me about all the details just in case I feel bored enough to read what you have to say!"
So here you go. It's the BEST thing ever. This is a WORLD CHANGING GAME! Invest everything you have to it. Leverage yourself fully and put it all to the game. Special people like you need to take advantage of special deals like this. Devote 100% into it. If all you have is a cardboard box to live in, well you're still not investing enough. If you can still bleed you can sell that blood and invest the money into this game.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
More money, better game? Coming faster? Hmmmm...
You said that there are NONE in terms of evidences. You failed in that point as I said, so your conclusion failed too.
It's possible that he will transform this game in No-Pay-To-Win? Never say never... but is hard to believe that the issue won't be felt for a majority of people that won't comprehend the meaning of this, as CR comprehends, anyway.
CR just argue that because you can acquire everything by gameplay, that means that there is no pay-to-win. This was his argument. But something that he brought later, and deliberately omitted the information to people in his main advertising, explaining what was his thoughts about the meaning of P2W in the own bullet or in the FAQ whatever, in the main ad, so consumers weren't mislead. He failed in his legal responsibility of not been deceptive in this instance (and in many others). End of story.
Somewhere even on these boards must be a point where unfounded BS and blatant lies stop.
Chris Roberts saying that something will happen in the future is not evidence. You assume A posteriori knowledge pretty much claiming you can see into the future. Someone saying something will happen is not evidence.
The only evidence in facto we have is the existing cash shop and pay to win ship market.
1. You can buy and start the game with the best ship and equipment. This is equal to starting max level with best armour in WoW. (No, not all cash shops are pay to win. Some are only selling cosmetics. Clearly not the case here.)
2. Here is the cash shop: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/extras?product_id=41 and here: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/extras?product_id=72 and the rest you can find yourself.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
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"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
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A whole new level of shit in the game industry that people are willing to support. That's the point here.
In previous discussions I shared links, etc. when necessary. You ignored and fled of the discussions when I did that. Or made some silly comment just as you did now, trying to convince people who was not aware of our previous discussions, that you always "asked for evidences/objectivity and never got". Nice try. For this case now, you don't need evidences, because you are aware of the fact that BEL was financed long ago. The rest is just use your brain cells, those that are not singing some Chris Roberts song.
- Albert Einstein