I just get attacked because I dont think 'bad project management' means devcing investors on purpose
Ah ok. So answer me this:
This statement:
"The
game-as-described in the original crowdfunding campaign included
Squadron 42, regular community updates and an alpha multiplayer only."
It
was made by Chris Roberts recently in two occasions in similar form.
One, in his letter to The Escapist and previously, in the Letter of "I
am back" when he came back from the performance capture works on UK.
Is that statement true?
Why keep asking a question you already know the answer to? As well as know why things changed...
Because I have a point to make, in the context of what people said to me earlier, and have been saying. So, I am waiting for the answer. Why people flee of the question. It's really interesting the attitude.
I just get attacked because I dont think 'bad project management' means devcing investors on purpose
Ah ok. So answer me this:
This statement:
"The
game-as-described in the original crowdfunding campaign included
Squadron 42, regular community updates and an alpha multiplayer only."
It
was made by Chris Roberts recently in two occasions in similar form.
One, in his letter to The Escapist and previously, in the Letter of "I
am back" when he came back from the performance capture works on UK.
Is that statement true?
I have no idea , not even a remote idea of what you are talking about here. I dont have the background.
what I am saying is very binary.
He very well maybe deciving people in all maters of area but when someone says:
'he is being deceeptive BECAUSE he is late' I take issue with that. its the BECAUSE which connects the former to the later directly.
What you "have no idea" exactly? It's a statement of Roberts and a question... you heard the man... so tell me... is that true?
You are claiming that he is not deceptive, right? So answer the question.
I just get attacked because I dont think 'bad project management' means devcing investors on purpose
Ah ok. So answer me this:
This statement:
"The
game-as-described in the original crowdfunding campaign included
Squadron 42, regular community updates and an alpha multiplayer only."
It
was made by Chris Roberts recently in two occasions in similar form.
One, in his letter to The Escapist and previously, in the Letter of "I
am back" when he came back from the performance capture works on UK.
Is that statement true?
I have no idea , not even a remote idea of what you are talking about here. I dont have the background.
what I am saying is very binary.
He very well maybe deciving people in all maters of area but when someone says:
'he is being deceeptive BECAUSE he is late' I take issue with that. its the BECAUSE which connects the former to the later directly.
What you "have no idea" exactly? It's a statement of Roberts and a question... you heard the man... so tell me... is that true?
YOUR MISSING THE POINT.
1. he is deceptive BECAUSE he is late. is the line I have an issue with. 2. you are now attacking someone who has said more than once that Chris Roberts should step down.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
1. he is deceptive BECAUSE he is late. is the line I have an issue with. 2. you are now attacking someone who has said more than once that Chris Roberts should step down.
Seriously. This is the what is ridiculous. IS not you discussing the subject, is you try to make a question and people deflect of that question as hell... If that does not let you message... well... I don't know what else could be.
1. I am not missing any point. I am not saying that CR is deceptive because he is late. This is your wrong interpretation of arguments. Not a point that I ever made.
2. I am not attacking anyone. You seem to see attacks or pursuit attacks where they don't exist.
Stop to deflect, answer the question. It's simple. Yes, or no? Feel free to justify the answer. Then, I will proceed and make my point.
This statement:
"The
game-as-described in the original crowdfunding campaign included
Squadron 42, regular community updates and an alpha multiplayer only."
It
was made by Chris Roberts recently in two occasions in similar form.
One, in his letter to The Escapist and previously, in the Letter of "I
am back" when he came back from the performance capture works on UK.
Is that statement true?
or, if you prefer, I am going to rephrase the question:
The game-as-described, originally, had only Squadron 42, regular community updates and alpha multiplayer, nothing else, described?
What if it is true what he said? From what I have found out he said that. And now?
SQ42 seems to be releases in 2016 as shown in the "Bishop Senat Speech" trailer. There are constant community updates and an alpha multiplayer as of now which will constantly grow and eventually become a beta where ship sales likely will be deactivated and only available in-game via game currency.
What if it is true what he said? From what I have found out he said that. And now?
SQ42 seems to be releases in 2016 as shown in the "Bishop Senat Speech" trailer. There are constant community updates and an alpha multiplayer as of now which will constantly grow and eventually become a beta where ship sales likely will be deactivated and only available in-game via game currency.
So?
1. I dont who you are talking 2. if you are talking me I dont even know what this story is. I have zero knowedge of it AND: 3. it has nothing to with what I was saying
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
What if it is true what he said? From what I have found out he said that. And now?
SQ42 seems to be releases in 2016 as shown in the "Bishop Senat Speech" trailer. There are constant community updates and an alpha multiplayer as of now which will constantly grow and eventually become a beta where ship sales likely will be deactivated and only available in-game via game currency.
So?
1. I dont who you are talking 2. if you are talking me I dont even know what this story is. I have zero knowedge of it AND: 3. it has nothing to with what I was saying
1. he is deceptive BECAUSE he is late. is the line I have an issue with. 2. you are now attacking someone who has said more than once that Chris Roberts should step down.
Seriously. This is the what is ridiculous. IS not you discussing the subject, is you try to make a question and people deflect of that question as hell... If that does not let you message... well... I don't know what else could be.
1. I am not missing any point. I am not saying that CR is deceptive because he is late. This is your wrong interpretation of arguments. Not a point that I ever made.
2. I am not attacking anyone. You seem to see attacks or pursuit attacks where they don't exist.
Stop to deflect, answer the question. It's simple. Yes, or no? Feel free to justify the answer. Then, I will proceed and make my point.
This statement:
"The
game-as-described in the original crowdfunding campaign included
Squadron 42, regular community updates and an alpha multiplayer only."
It
was made by Chris Roberts recently in two occasions in similar form.
One, in his letter to The Escapist and previously, in the Letter of "I
am back" when he came back from the performance capture works on UK.
Is that statement true?
or, if you prefer, I am going to rephrase the question:
The game-as-described, originally, had only Squadron 42, regular community updates and alpha multiplayer, nothing else, described?
I never claimed not to support SC and CR's vision. Neither did I claim that everything he said is true nor that some criticism towards the project is unnecessary. I have my own worries but due to the small investment I made I will not cry if it fails. It was not needed money spend on something I love (Science Fiction Space games).
Then you are one of the smart one's!
And I stand to my position that I know the roots of some false claims and propaganda methods used to lure uninformed people onto the hate-train. There are so many similarities to this:
I agree with this but will add stupid people would get brain washed. I knew a long time ago getting the true news is from a few foreign sites. I won't go any further because politics need to stay off game forums.
I also chose my side (while trying to be objective which we all know is not as easy as it really is) because I experienced HIS work and "Snake in a Suit" methods in the past. Therefor I wanted to warn people. It seemed to work because he almost never posted after our "clash" in this forum.
I understand exactly where you are coming from and understand completely!
And what you claim an attack by CIG was more defending and securing. The attack shots had been fired long before that if you do your research. And the shots were not fired by CIG.
I also agree with this but a lot of these guys ask for proof and a lot of the old proof has been wiped away. This clearly shows how Roberts wanted to hit the issues so I put it there. But I also know these same people (which I have a few on ignore now) will turn it around.
End of story... criticism in an appropriate manner is necessary due to control mechanisms but generating hate and being anti just because it supports someone's kind of life is narrow minded in my opinion.
I do disagree with this, a lot of you do take it as hate. I do it because Roberts to my mind is going to ruin crowdfunding for the good developers!
Completely white-knighting is also narrow minded... just to be clear. I do not support that.
What can I say other than I still believe Roberts has told his knights to attack any and all form of bad statements against his funding (again funding not game).
Again do I believe if a final game will hit? In my mind no! Can i back it up? No! Can we safely say it won't because of his past? Yes!
I also think it has a lot to do with Sandi coming back once the money came rolling in. Does the cover up of them being married raise a lot of red flags! Yes!
Sandi never being schooled in marketing raise a lot of red flags? Yes!
So that is where I stand and hope you can accept it as proof! There is no real hate, just gigantic concerns!
Sure. No problem. I am not "attacking" you. I am asking you a question and now I gave you the material so you answer me. So you have the idea that you don't have.
really? so by most measures it appers I am on your side on this and yet this dialogue you and I are having is not an attack?
to answer your question and read it very carefully.
I HAVE NO IDEA IF ITS TRUE OR NOT.
Sure. No problem. I am not "attacking" you. I am asking you a question and give you the material so you answer me. So you have the idea that you don't have.
Is the game-as-described, JUST, Squadron 42, regular community updates
and an Alpha multiplayer? Read the description and answer me.
I dont have the game and I have never played it so I dont know.
why are you even engaging me in this debate its not what I was talking about , its not what I was replying to and I am most likely the least qualified person to talk about.
I was replying to ONLY two aspects. ONLY TWO
1. people who attack SC always get attacked (I was giving an exmaple of me being someone who attacked SC but has not gotten any backfire other than from you and critics 2. that being deceptive requires more evidence then just being late.
That is is it...nothing more,...nothing less.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
really? so by most measures it appers I am on your side on this and yet this dialogue you and I are having is not an attack?
to answer your question and read it very carefully.
I HAVE NO IDEA IF ITS TRUE OR NOT.
Sure. No problem. I am not "attacking" you. I am asking you a question and give you the material so you answer me. So you have the idea that you don't have.
Is the game-as-described, JUST, Squadron 42, regular community updates
and an Alpha multiplayer? Read the description and answer me.
I dont have the game and I have never played it so I dont know.
why are you even engaging me in this debate its not what I was talking about , its not what I was replying to and I am most likely the least qualified person to talk about.
Why? Are you unable to read? Don't you have qualifications for that? Can't you read a description of the game, and simply compare to what Roberts said now? You don't need to own the game. We are not talking about what is or is not released. We are talking about what CR said to The Escapist and to the backers recently.
Let me give you the context. Using what Roberts said to The Escapist:
-In 2012, a Kickstarter FAQ indicated that the high cost of stretch goals was in order to ensure a 2014 delivery date.
CR: Is this the FAQ line you’re talking about?
The purpose of the higher stretch goals is to ensure that the
game-as-described is finished in the two year time period. We intend to
build the game that Chris Roberts described at GDC
Online regardless, but without additional funding we are going to have
to do it one piece at a time, starting with Squadron 42, rather than as a
single larger production. With more funding we can include more ships,
systems, unique locations, animations and cinematic sequences.
You will notice that this is saying that we would only be able to
deliver Squadron 42, not the bigger game without additional funding. If
you refer to the stretch goals you will notice that the base goal was
enhanced community content (delivered), alpha dogfighting module
(delivered) and Squadron 42 (in progress). That was the base game as
described. The full persistent universe and all the extra features like FPS boarding, multiple star systems to visit, extra ships and so on are all stretch goals.
And what he said to his backers:
The original crowd funding goal was to raise enough money to deliver
regular community updates, access to the multiplayer dogfighting alpha
and a single player campaign called Squadron 42. You can see the first
goal, which was achieved on 25th of October 2012 here.
really? so by most measures it appers I am on your side on this and yet this dialogue you and I are having is not an attack?
to answer your question and read it very carefully.
I HAVE NO IDEA IF ITS TRUE OR NOT.
Sure. No problem. I am not "attacking" you. I am asking you a question and give you the material so you answer me. So you have the idea that you don't have.
Is the game-as-described, JUST, Squadron 42, regular community updates
and an Alpha multiplayer? Read the description and answer me.
I dont have the game and I have never played it so I dont know.
why are you even engaging me in this debate its not what I was talking about , its not what I was replying to and I am most likely the least qualified person to talk about.
Why? Are you unable to read? Can't you read a description of the game? You don't need to own the game. We are not talking about what is or is not released. We are talking about what CR said to The Escapist and to the backers recently.
We are confirming if what he said was true. If he is not been deceptive. So please, I ask you to have some patience and just read the description of the game, and just answer me this:
Is the game-as-described, JUST, Squadron 42, regular community updates
and an Alpha multiplayer?
because
1. its not related at all to what I was responding to 2. because I am not interested in talking about something else that is completely unrelated to what I am talking about.
so best just stop asking me. maybe even go for the home run and address the two items I WAS responding to unstead of something completely random
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
"2. that being deceptive requires more evidence then just being late."
And that's why I am asking you the question. Can you answer please? Or are you trying to bury your head in the sand just to keep this point about "been late" over and over gain, ignoring other points/evidences brought?
And answer me if what Roberts said now really matches with what he described previously, in other words, that what is described there, in the original description, is only
1-) Squadron 42 2-) Regular community updates 3-) A multiplayer alpha.
End of story... criticism in an appropriate manner is necessary due to control mechanisms but generating hate and being anti just because it supports someone's kind of life is narrow minded in my opinion.
I do disagree with this, a lot of you do take it as hate. I do it because Roberts to my mind is going to ruin crowdfunding for the good developers!
Completely white-knighting is also narrow minded... just to be clear. I do not support that.
What can I say other than I still believe Roberts has told his knights to attack any and all form of bad statements against his funding (again funding not game).
Again do I believe if a final game will hit? In my mind no! Can i back it up? No! Can we safely say it won't because of his past? Yes!
I also think it has a lot to do with Sandi coming back once the money came rolling in. Does the cover up of them being married raise a lot of red flags! Yes!
Sandi never being schooled in marketing raise a lot of red flags? Yes!
So that is where I stand and hope you can accept it as proof! There is no real hate, just gigantic concerns!
Never said you are hating. We had some discussions before and I remember some of your concerns.
But only because you think CR ruins crowdfunding does not make it true. It is a concern and we still have to wait for the end result or really good prove he, in my opinion, unintentionally did that.
As for now crowdfunding still works and good developers (not all of them) have their success. Not everyone can have a piece of cake sadly.
CR told no one to attack. The white knights just do what they do. Just watch PlayStation vs. XBox or any other competing companies. Always the same hate, bashing, being better than the other etc. cc.
And we we can not say safely that the game will fail due to CR's past. He had serious success with some games and also some movies (i.e. Lucky Number Slevin). Even if he failed and never had produced anything good than this is no proof. Many successful people failed many times until their hard work worked out.
Sandi Gardiner was responsible for the whole Kickstarter campaign. She initiated it. The money came after that. And there was no cover up regarding their relationship. They just didn't made big signs where everyone could read "We are a married couple". Derek Smart made a big thing out of it because ... well because that is what he does, always did and maybe will always do.
I am not sure regarding her schooling but she did marketing campaigns for other companies in the past before SC. Even if she has no degree, it has nothing to do with her competence and knowledge in this matter. A lot of people brag with their degrees but have in fact no clue what they are doing.
"2. that being deceptive requires more evidence then just being late."
And that's why I am asking you the question. Can you answer please? Or are you trying to bury your sand in the hand just to keep this point about "been late"?
ah I see.
well you still dont understand number 2
'he is being deceptive BECAUSE he was late'
the key word there is BECAUSE. He might be deceptive for other reasons which in turn caused him to be late but being late does not intrinsically mean deceptive, thus if one makes a statement that he is late and deceptive one MUST point out in that sentence the link because otherwise the link is ONLY being late.
until you understand that we aint goin nowhere you and I and I very seriouslyy think you are just trying to avoid it by changing the subject
lunch time
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
"2. that being deceptive requires more evidence then just being late."
And that's why I am asking you the question. Can you answer please? Or are you trying to bury your sand in the hand just to keep this point about "been late"?
"2. that being deceptive requires more evidence then just being late."
And that's why I am asking you the question. Can you answer please? Or are you trying to bury your sand in the hand just to keep this point about "been late"?
ah I see.
well you still dont understand number 2
'he is being deceptive BECAUSE he was late'
the key word there is BECAUSE. He might be deceptive for other reasons which in turn caused him to be late but being late does not intrinsically mean deceptive, thus if one makes a statement that he is late and deceptive one MUST point out in that sentence the link because otherwise the link is ONLY being late.
until you understand that we aint goin nowhere you and I and I very seriouslyy think you are just trying to avoid it by changing the subject
lunch time
Ha! Can you believe in this guy?
I told him, around 10 times now, that is he, not me, who is claiming that he is deceptive because he is late. I never said that Roberts is deceptive because he is late. But he keep repeating over and over and over again, and now wants me tor prove a point that I never made.
And then, I ask a simple question. And he refuses to answer, because he knows that will be proven wrong and that there is more evidences presented that show that Roberts lied to people. And the evidence is CLEAR!
And with him, all the fans flee of the question, because they know what such true means. That Roberts is a liar and is deceptive. Intentionally deceived backers and tried, intentionally, to deceive the "new public" and MEDIA, which some, or most of them, are unaware or don't bother to check the past (public record) to see if what he is saying now about the past, is really true.
So yes, my friend. I am not saying that he is deceptive because he is late. That is you saying this. I am proving you with facts, statements, that he is deceptive and that has nothing to do with "been late".
Case closed.
No hate exists. What exists are CLEAR evidences of deception, lies, and people like you, fleeing of the true because just have the agenda to promote the game and because of that, won't discuss that with reason, independence and without putting your passion and hopes on it, meaning, you are the ones that are running of been objective, and state to the facts, not me.
"2. that being deceptive requires more evidence then just being late."
And that's why I am asking you the question. Can you answer please? Or are you trying to bury your sand in the hand just to keep this point about "been late"?
ah I see.
well you still dont understand number 2
'he is being deceptive BECAUSE he was late'
the key word there is BECAUSE. He might be deceptive for other reasons which in turn caused him to be late but being late does not intrinsically mean deceptive, thus if one makes a statement that he is late and deceptive one MUST point out in that sentence the link because otherwise the link is ONLY being late.
until you understand that we aint goin nowhere you and I and I very seriouslyy think you are just trying to avoid it by changing the subject
lunch time
Ha! Can you believe in this guy?
I told him, around 10 times now, that is he, not me, who is claiming that he is deceptive because he is late. I never said that Roberts is deceptive because he is late. But he keep repeating over and over and over again, and now wants me tor prove a point that I never made.
And then, I ask a simple question. And he refuses to answer, because he knows that will be proven wrong and that there is more evidences presented that show that Roberts lied to people. And the evidence is CLEAR!
And with him, all the fans flee of the question, because they know what such true means. That Roberts is a liar and is deceptive. Intentionally deceived backers and tried, intentionally, to deceive the "new public", which are unaware or don't bother to check the past (public record) to see if what he is saying now about the past, is really true.
So yes, my friend. I am not saying that he is deceptive because he is late. That is you saying this. I am proving you with facts, statements, that he is deceptive and that has nothing to do with "been late".
Case closed.
No hate exists. What exists are CLEAR evidences of deception, lies, and people like you, fleeing of the true because just have the agenda to promote the game and because of that, won't discuss that with reason and without putting your passion and hope on it, meaning, not been objective.
DENIAL!
/thread.
So are changes in plans always deception? /thread open...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
answer me if what Roberts said now about what he promised in the past matches with what he described in the past, in other words, that what is described there, is only
1-) Squadron 42 2-) Regular community updates 3-) A multiplayer alpha.
Nothing else?
He was specifically explaining about what he promised in the past. We are lucky.
We have available what he promised in the past to confirm if what he said now, is true. Here:
Comments
You are claiming that he is not deceptive, right? So answer the question.
1. he is deceptive BECAUSE he is late. is the line I have an issue with.
2. you are now attacking someone who has said more than once that Chris Roberts should step down.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
2014:
2015:
1. I am not missing any point. I am not saying that CR is deceptive because he is late. This is your wrong interpretation of arguments. Not a point that I ever made.
2. I am not attacking anyone. You seem to see attacks or pursuit attacks where they don't exist.
Stop to deflect, answer the question. It's simple. Yes, or no? Feel free to justify the answer. Then, I will proceed and make my point.
This statement:
"The game-as-described in the original crowdfunding campaign included Squadron 42, regular community updates and an alpha multiplayer only."
It was made by Chris Roberts recently in two occasions in similar form. One, in his letter to The Escapist and previously, in the Letter of "I am back" when he came back from the performance capture works on UK.
Is that statement true?
or, if you prefer, I am going to rephrase the question:
The game-as-described, originally, had only Squadron 42, regular community updates and alpha multiplayer, nothing else, described?
Here. Let me help you to figure out:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen
now lets get back on topic and stop trying to proove something as complex as global warming into two 7 word headline shall we?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
SQ42 seems to be releases in 2016 as shown in the "Bishop Senat Speech" trailer. There are constant community updates and an alpha multiplayer as of now which will constantly grow and eventually become a beta where ship sales likely will be deactivated and only available in-game via game currency.
So?
2. if you are talking me I dont even know what this story is. I have zero knowedge of it AND:
3. it has nothing to with what I was saying
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
really?
so by most measures it appers I am on your side on this and yet this dialogue you and I are having is not an attack?
to answer your question and read it very carefully.
I HAVE NO IDEA IF ITS TRUE OR NOT.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen
Is the game-as-described, JUST, Squadron 42, regular community updates and an Alpha multiplayer? Read the description and answer me.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
So, please, here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen
Is the game-as-described, JUST, Squadron 42, regular community updates and an Alpha multiplayer? Read the description and answer me.
why are you even engaging me in this debate its not what I was talking about , its not what I was replying to and I am most likely the least qualified person to talk about.
I was replying to ONLY two aspects. ONLY TWO
1. people who attack SC always get attacked (I was giving an exmaple of me being someone who attacked SC but has not gotten any backfire other than from you and critics
2. that being deceptive requires more evidence then just being late.
That is is it...nothing more,...nothing less.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Let me give you the context. Using what Roberts said to The Escapist:
-In 2012, a Kickstarter FAQ indicated that the high cost of stretch goals was in order to ensure a 2014 delivery date.
CR: Is this the FAQ line you’re talking about?
You will notice that this is saying that we would only be able to deliver Squadron 42, not the bigger game without additional funding. If you refer to the stretch goals you will notice that the base goal was enhanced community content (delivered), alpha dogfighting module (delivered) and Squadron 42 (in progress). That was the base game as described. The full persistent universe and all the extra features like FPS boarding, multiple star systems to visit, extra ships and so on are all stretch goals.And what he said to his backers:
The original crowd funding goal was to raise enough money to deliver regular community updates, access to the multiplayer dogfighting alpha and a single player campaign called Squadron 42. You can see the first goal, which was achieved on 25th of October 2012 here.
Is the game-as-described, JUST, Squadron 42, regular community updates and an Alpha multiplayer? Read: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen
1. its not related at all to what I was responding to
2. because I am not interested in talking about something else that is completely unrelated to what I am talking about.
so best just stop asking me. maybe even go for the home run and address the two items I WAS responding to unstead of something completely random
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
"2. that being deceptive requires more evidence then just being late."
And that's why I am asking you the question. Can you answer please? Or are you trying to bury your head in the sand just to keep this point about "been late" over and over gain, ignoring other points/evidences brought?
Answer the question. What are you so afraid?
Just read the description:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen
And answer me if what Roberts said now really matches with what he described previously, in other words, that what is described there, in the original description, is only
1-) Squadron 42
2-) Regular community updates
3-) A multiplayer alpha.
Nothing else. Yes, or no?
But only because you think CR ruins crowdfunding does not make it true. It is a concern and we still have to wait for the end result or really good prove he, in my opinion, unintentionally did that.
As for now crowdfunding still works and good developers (not all of them) have their success. Not everyone can have a piece of cake sadly.
CR told no one to attack. The white knights just do what they do. Just watch PlayStation vs. XBox or any other competing companies. Always the same hate, bashing, being better than the other etc. cc.
And we we can not say safely that the game will fail due to CR's past. He had serious success with some games and also some movies (i.e. Lucky Number Slevin). Even if he failed and never had produced anything good than this is no proof. Many successful people failed many times until their hard work worked out.
Sandi Gardiner was responsible for the whole Kickstarter campaign. She initiated it. The money came after that. And there was no cover up regarding their relationship. They just didn't made big signs where everyone could read "We are a married couple". Derek Smart made a big thing out of it because ... well because that is what he does, always did and maybe will always do.
I am not sure regarding her schooling but she did marketing campaigns for other companies in the past before SC. Even if she has no degree, it has nothing to do with her competence and knowledge in this matter. A lot of people brag with their degrees but have in fact no clue what they are doing.
well you still dont understand number 2
'he is being deceptive BECAUSE he was late'
the key word there is BECAUSE. He might be deceptive for other reasons which in turn caused him to be late but being late does not intrinsically mean deceptive, thus if one makes a statement that he is late and deceptive one MUST point out in that sentence the link because otherwise the link is ONLY being late.
until you understand that we aint goin nowhere you and I and I very seriouslyy think you are just trying to avoid it by changing the subject
lunch time
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
To reply to your "what if"
Yes CR said what you asked us what he said. And now? What does it change for you?
Car = liying.
one could say car CAUSES liying in this specific example but its not equal
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I told him, around 10 times now, that is he, not me, who is claiming that he is deceptive because he is late. I never said that Roberts is deceptive because he is late. But he keep repeating over and over and over again, and now wants me tor prove a point that I never made.
And then, I ask a simple question. And he refuses to answer, because he knows that will be proven wrong and that there is more evidences presented that show that Roberts lied to people. And the evidence is CLEAR!
And with him, all the fans flee of the question, because they know what such true means. That Roberts is a liar and is deceptive. Intentionally deceived backers and tried, intentionally, to deceive the "new public" and MEDIA, which some, or most of them, are unaware or don't bother to check the past (public record) to see if what he is saying now about the past, is really true.
So yes, my friend. I am not saying that he is deceptive because he is late. That is you saying this. I am proving you with facts, statements, that he is deceptive and that has nothing to do with "been late".
Case closed.
No hate exists. What exists are CLEAR evidences of deception, lies, and people like you, fleeing of the true because just have the agenda to promote the game and because of that, won't discuss that with reason, independence and without putting your passion and hopes on it, meaning, you are the ones that are running of been objective, and state to the facts, not me.
DENIAL!
/thread.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen
answer me if what Roberts said now about what he promised in the past matches with what he described in the past, in other words, that what is described there, is only
1-) Squadron 42
2-) Regular community updates
3-) A multiplayer alpha.
Nothing else?
He was specifically explaining about what he promised in the past. We are lucky.
We have available what he promised in the past to confirm if what he said now, is true. Here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen
Can you answer the question, hopefully so objectively as you answered before?