answer me if what Roberts said matches with what he described, in other words, that what is described there, is only
1-) Squadron 42 2-) Regular community updates 3-) A multiplayer alpha.
Nothing else?
You realize that's only deception if he had no plans to follow through at the time... things did change but was that deception or you know..factors...?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
answer me if what Roberts said matches with what he described, in other words, that what is described there, is only
1-) Squadron 42 2-) Regular community updates 3-) A multiplayer alpha.
Nothing else?
You realize that's only deception if he had no plans to follow through at the time... things did change but was that deception or you know..factors...?
This has nothing to do with changes in plans. This is specific to the plan, before any change made.
Roberts is telling to press and backers now about what he promised in the past - he was talking about what was the original plan and that the original plan was #1, 2 and 3, only... And I am just sticking to that. I've been very objective here, focusing in his explanation, not in the entire history of the project.. which is irrelevant to the point that I am making... so, It's simple.
answer me if what Roberts said matches with what he described, in other words, that what is described there, is only
1-) Squadron 42 2-) Regular community updates 3-) A multiplayer alpha.
Nothing else?
You realize that's only deception if he had no plans to follow through at the time... things did change but was that deception or you know..factors...?
This has nothing to do with changes in plans. This is specific to the plan, before any change made.
Roberts is telling to press and backers what he promised in the past - the original plan was #1, 2 and 3, only. And I am just sticking to that. It's simple.
answer me if what Roberts said matches with what he described, in other words, that what is described there, is only
1-) Squadron 42 2-) Regular community updates 3-) A multiplayer alpha.
Nothing else?
You realize that's only deception if he had no plans to follow through at the time... things did change but was that deception or you know..factors...?
This has nothing to do with changes in plans. This is specific to the plan, before any change made.
Roberts is telling to press and backers what he promised in the past - the original plan was #1, 2 and 3, only. And I am just sticking to that. It's simple.
So you're sticking with the narrative that supports your crusade, no matter what the real truth is....I'm not surprised.
No. I am trying to make a point. Doing exactly what I was challenged to make. To provide evidence... so... It's very simple. It has nothing to do with the changes of the project. It has to do with a simple and clear statement of Mr. Roberts about the original plan. That is exactly about the real truth that I am talking here.
Roberts stated that his original plan was
1-) squadron 42, regular community updates and a multiplayer alpha.
I ask you? Was this that you read in the original kickstarter page? Are these 3 items and only these 3 items, the game-as-described?
I just get attacked because I dont think 'bad project management' means devcing investors on purpose
Ah ok. So answer me this:
This statement:
"The
game-as-described in the original crowdfunding campaign included
Squadron 42, regular community updates and an alpha multiplayer only."
It
was made by Chris Roberts recently in two occasions in similar form.
One, in his letter to The Escapist and previously, in the Letter of "I
am back" when he came back from the performance capture works on UK.
Is that statement true?
Why keep asking a question you already know the answer to? As well as know why things changed...
Because I have a point to make, in the context of what people said to me earlier, and have been saying. So, I am waiting for the answer. Why people flee of the question. It's really interesting the attitude.
No, it's not interesting. What do you think you are going to do? Prove a point and everyone's going to have an epiphany complete with god rays and angel choirs?
No! you are doing exactly what I said was ridiculous in my 1st post in this thread today. You are forcing a hard stand. It no longer matters if you are right or wrong. All you will succeed in doing is dragging this thread out with another 7 pages of pointless nonsense.
Please, let it go already, if anyone agreed with you, they already have. If they don't, nothing you say at this point will change that. Even irrefutable evidence wouldn't work now
answer me if what Roberts said matches with what he described, in other words, that what is described there, is only
1-) Squadron 42 2-) Regular community updates 3-) A multiplayer alpha.
Nothing else?
You realize that's only deception if he had no plans to follow through at the time... things did change but was that deception or you know..factors...?
This has nothing to do with changes in plans. This is specific to the plan, before any change made.
Roberts is telling to press and backers what he promised in the past - the original plan was #1, 2 and 3, only. And I am just sticking to that. It's simple.
Nope as I didn't read any kickstarter page, I've seen enough of this debate (over the last few months) to know exactly what you're trying to imply. Some of us aren't on either side you know, we just comment based on what's being said or implied, in the end I'm only interested in what is actually true, not implied wrong doing, actual wrong doing, which you've provided no proof of, yet act as though you have (you're not the only one doing that).
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
answer me if what Roberts said matches with what he described, in other words, that what is described there, is only
1-) Squadron 42 2-) Regular community updates 3-) A multiplayer alpha.
Nothing else?
You realize that's only deception if he had no plans to follow through at the time... things did change but was that deception or you know..factors...?
This has nothing to do with changes in plans. This is specific to the plan, before any change made.
Roberts is telling to press and backers what he promised in the past - the original plan was #1, 2 and 3, only. And I am just sticking to that. It's simple.
Nope as I didn't read any kickstarter page, I've seen enough of this debate (over the last few months) to know exactly what you're trying to imply. Some of us aren't on either side you know, we just comment based on what's being said or implied, in the end I'm only interested in what is actually true, not implied wrong doing, actual wrong doing, which you've provided no proof of, yet act as though you have (you're not the only one doing that).
Are you kidding right? I am providing you proof right now. In this exact moment. And you are refusing to get it. And now claims that I didn't provide.
A rich universe focused on epic space adventure, trading and dogfighting in first person.
Single Player – Offline or Online(Drop in / Drop out co-op play)
Persistent Universe (hosted by US)
Mod-able multiplayer (hosted by YOU)
No Subscriptions
No Pay to Win
>>>>
Have fun
Ok.
Question answered. Imagine that... Erillion would be the one to answer the question. The own Erillion was more objective and direct to the point, tha ll these "neutral" guys, "reasonable", who are not in denial blablabla...
That's it...
Chris Roberts claim NOW that what he promised was just Squadron 42, regular community updates and a multiplayer alpha.
Quickly, direct in the top of the page of the game-as-described originally, is stated that was much more than just these 3 items.
Still, Chris Roberts, deliberately lied to the "new public" and pretended that what he promised in the past was just those 3 items. That he did not deceived anyone.
So... That's it. I proven here, that Chris Roberts is deceptive, that he lied recently to the public about what he said/promised in the past. He was maybe deceptive in the past by accident, breaking a law and intentionally deceptive when trying to give the excuse for that. Going tot he point of doing that when was even accusing the press of lying. See? That's your idol, reliable..a Paladin of Honesty.
End of story.
It would take just a couple of posts, if you people weren't derailing and fleeing of the question, clearly demonstrating how afraid you are of been proven wrong, in some opints that you raise, by those who can.
And I hope that you stop with your sensationalistic, low-level claims, that people did not bring evidences and proof of wrong doing. Because here you have. Very CLEAR!
And you are very aware that is not just one. Are hundreds of instances like that. But imagine that. If I had to explain each one of the hundreds instances of wrong doings of this project and the lies of Mr. Roberts, how many pages it would take, with you people embracing the denial, lack of objectivity of who couldn't be afraid of the true, regardless if that will mean a bad scenario, and refusing to answer simple questions that I could make to make the point clear, irrefutable.
So, have fun in your denial guys and all this theater about "oh, hate this, hate that"... "we are the one neutral and others are extreme" ... "oh, no evidence of wrong doing was shown...ever" blablabla.
Its interesting how two people can read the same text and come to completely different conclusions. >>> So... That's it. I proven here, that Chris Roberts is deceptive, >>>> Nothing like that has been proven. THIS thread has proven that some people can write walls of text with zero substantial content.
Nope as I didn't read any kickstarter page, I've seen enough of this debate (over the last few months) to know exactly what you're trying to imply. Some of us aren't on either side you know, we just comment based on what's being said or implied, in the end I'm only interested in what is actually true, not implied wrong doing, actual wrong doing, which you've provided no proof of, yet act as though you have (you're not the only one doing that).
Are you kidding right? I am providing you proof right now. In this exact moment. And you are refusing to get it. And now claims that I didn't provide.
Oh guys! That is a hilarious level of denial.
What didn't I get? I already explained how your implication could be wrong... the only one in denial is you about your own deeply held opinion. You totally ignored how you could be wrong, that's denial.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
"2. that being deceptive requires more evidence then just being late."
And that's why I am asking you the question. Can you answer please? Or are you trying to bury your sand in the hand just to keep this point about "been late"?
ah I see.
well you still dont understand number 2
'he is being deceptive BECAUSE he was late'
the key word there is BECAUSE. He might be deceptive for other reasons which in turn caused him to be late but being late does not intrinsically mean deceptive, thus if one makes a statement that he is late and deceptive one MUST point out in that sentence the link because otherwise the link is ONLY being late.
until you understand that we aint goin nowhere you and I and I very seriouslyy think you are just trying to avoid it by changing the subject
lunch time
Ha! Can you believe in this guy?
I may very well have the wrong person I believe that is 100% possible but it still doesnt really explain why it took you about 15 pages to at least recognize what I was saying....amazing!
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
And we we can not say safely that the game will fail due to CR's past. He had serious success with some games and also some movies (i.e. Lucky Number Slevin). Even if he failed and never had produced anything good than this is no proof. Many successful people failed many times until their hard work worked out.
Origin had success with the games. All Roberts did was input the design and his dream. I give him credit for that and only that. He did even back then keep trying to change his design (ideas) but had good people behind him that said no stay on track.
Sandi Gardiner was responsible for the whole Kickstarter campaign. She initiated it. The money came after that. And there was no cover up regarding their relationship. They just didn't made big signs where everyone could read "We are a married couple". Derek Smart made a big thing out of it because ... well because that is what he does, always did and maybe will always do.
I will disagree with this and leave it at that. We agree to disagree.
The problem with BOTH sides is that the scenarios change. I have said that several times. Stuff said today is irrelevant to what was said 6 months ago just like that is irrelevant to what was said a year ago.
Theyre going to say whatever they think will get them the most money. WHAT they DO with that money is anyones guess. But the more they get the more they can split up. If they get 100 million more you can be sure it will not all be spent wisely nor will it all go to the game, just like this first 100 million (if that is an accurate number) has been spent.
CR originally said they could make the game (revised version) for 20-25 million. Highly unlikely but if he had been correct he would have been able to make it for that 25 million and then pocket he rest with no one being any the wiser.
Thats the 'problem' as long as he delivers a playable game (no matter what the cost) people wont care. No amount of negativity or white knighting is going to change that.
I doubt anyone will ever know how much money was put into the game itself. Nor will they ever know how much money was truly raised. At this point it is so confusing (probably by design) it is best to not think about it.
But CR and everyone affiliated with this game knows that this is the gravy train time and once anything is released that is actually a game that all stops. even the ship sales because once something is released all the flaws and hacks and problems it has will be exposed and exploited making pretty much anything 'legit' meaningless. THATS when the real fun begins.
All this stuff is just speculation but once the game is delivered and everyone is experiencing the same problems then its a REAL problem.
Again I am doing what I said was putting the cart before the horse, and that is thinking he will deliver a game decent enough to even have problems like this matter.
Its akin to ESO during beta. the bugs and exploits and crashes were so bad during that phase that no one even commented on lack of content, broken animations or bland combat. Those complaints didt start util after release and everyone saw the game was just another MMO.
Well at this point I think having SC be just another MMO would actually be a win.
The problem with BOTH sides is that the scenarios change. I have said that several times. Stuff said today is irrelevant to what was said 6 months ago just like that is irrelevant to what was said a year ago.
Theyre going to say whatever they think will get them the most money. WHAT they DO with that money is anyones guess. But the more they get the more they can split up. If they get 100 million more you can be sure it will not all be spent wisely nor will it all go to the game, just like this first 100 million (if that is an accurate number) has been spent.
CR originally said they could make the game (revised version) for 20-25 million. Highly unlikely but if he had been correct he would have been able to make it for that 25 million and then pocket he rest with no one being any the wiser.
Thats the 'problem' as long as he delivers a playable game (no matter what the cost) people wont care. No amount of negativity or white knighting is going to change that.
I doubt anyone will ever know how much money was put into the game itself. Nor will they ever know how much money was truly raised. At this point it is so confusing (probably by design) it is best to not think about it.
But CR and everyone affiliated with this game knows that this is the gravy train time and once anything is released that is actually a game that all stops. even the ship sales because once something is released all the flaws and hacks and problems it has will be exposed and exploited making pretty much anything 'legit' meaningless. THATS when the real fun begins.
All this stuff is just speculation but once the game is delivered and everyone is experiencing the same problems then its a REAL problem.
Again I am doing what I said was putting the cart before the horse, and that is thinking he will deliver a game decent enough to even have problems like this matter.
Its akin to ESO during beta. the bugs and exploits and crashes were so bad during that phase that no one even commented on lack of content, broken animations or bland combat. Those complaints didt start util after release and everyone saw the game was just another MMO.
Well at this point I think having SC be just another MMO would actually be a win.
in my opinion your well thought out hypothesis very well could be mostly if not 100% correct. and it is in my view a well thought out hypothesis.
It is a better hypothesis then some of the half-cocked statements from many critics who treat some of these ideas as common fact rather then even a likelyhood and sometimes (or maybe often) obfuscate reality just to make a point
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
in my opinion your well thought out hypothesis very well could be mostly if not 100% correct. and it is in my view a well thought out hypothesis.
It is a better hypothesis then some of the half-cocked statements from many critics who treat some of these ideas as common fact rather then even a likelyhood and sometimes (or maybe often) obfuscate reality just to make a point
because I actually think about shit before I type it out. I have also seen enough of these things go on to recognize how they play the game.
I said way back when that I dont think in their wildest dreams they would 'raise' so much money. So what went from crusade went to a whole other level. They got greedy they fgured they could use money and get away with it and still make the game.
But then problems arose, things werent working out and theyu realized that not only wasnt the money they originally said going ot be enough they would need more than whatthey had already raised. By that time questions were asked, people were antsy and stuff came out. So they went into full panic, denial defense mode, and since Oct look at everything that has come out. Alpha (demo) updates to demo, video packages (several) (Failed) live streams, announcement of the voice actors, more ships, reissue of 'special ships'.
To me its painfully obvious.
Now it can be spun, even by a less than neutral person as positive I suppose. At least theyre SHOWING people SOMETHING. Problem is nothing they have shown is all that positive. Other than the videos which are more than likely not possible, despite them claiming theyre in game footage. Which if theyre not and they arent makes it worse because its another lie (assuming you think what they have done in the past is lying and not honest miscalculations).
Generally when people try too hard theyre hiding something. If you 'got the goods' you sit back with a shit eating grin waiting to drop the hammer. Its a lot like a poker game. To me it looks like CR is bluffing. And maybe some of his detractors too. But in the end if eveyrones hands suck the people that get hurt the most are the guys backing the one with the most to lose, and that is and always will be Chris Roberts.
Well, they've already dropped co-op for the single player. And have they gotten more than 16 into instances yet?
I expect they'll run into more problems. And sometimes actually dropping it might be the best thing, all considered. That's a Roberts shortcoming though, he'll champion an idea, reasonable or inconsequential, long after it's evident it won't work or isn't worth the trouble. Just look at the exuberance over blood in the skin tone in the mocap.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Well, they've already dropped co-op for the single player. And have they gotten more than 16 into instances yet?
I expect they'll run into more problems. And sometimes actually dropping it might be the best thing, all considered. That's a Roberts shortcoming though, he'll champion an idea, reasonable or inconsequential, long after it's evident it won't work or isn't worth the trouble. Just look at the exuberance over blood in the skin tone in the mocap.
They are about to drop private servers as well.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
To the credit of Christ Roberts, I don't think he's intentionally scamming people; I think he means well, he's just really horrible at managing/creating a project.
Well, they've already dropped co-op for the single player. And have they gotten more than 16 into instances yet?
I expect they'll run into more problems. And sometimes actually dropping it might be the best thing, all considered. That's a Roberts shortcoming though, he'll champion an idea, reasonable or inconsequential, long after it's evident it won't work or isn't worth the trouble. Just look at the exuberance over blood in the skin tone in the mocap.
They are about to drop private servers as well.
Too bad, I thought that was an extremely cool idea, one of actual useful innovation.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
To the credit of Christ Roberts, I don't think he's intentionally scamming people; I think he means well, he's just really horrible at managing/creating a project.
I'd agree. He thinks he's a genius, so what he's doing must be right! Also pretty sure his salary is commensurate with his ego.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Well, they've already dropped co-op for the single player.
No, they did not.
They just clarified that FIRST you finish the SQ42 narrative missions ALONE so the story can progress as intended. And THEN you can replay the same missions as often as you want in co-op mode via the sim-pod. Which does NOT contradict what they promised in Kickstarter - although some people want you to believe that.
@Turrican187 ; >>>They are about to drop private servers as well. >>>
Can you give us a link to the source for that information ? Because to my knowledge so far they do NOT plan to drop the plan for private servers.
Well, they've already dropped co-op for the single player.
No, they did not.
They just clarified that FIRST you finish the SQ42 narrative missions ALONE so the story can progress as intended. And THEN you can replay the same missions as often as you want in co-op mode via the sim-pod. Which does NOT contradict what they promised in Kickstarter - although some people want you to believe that.
Of course contradicts. Roberts clarified in posts what was the coop feature about, in comm-links and in interviews. It was coop in/out DURING the campaign, with people helping you in a mission or playing as an enemy.
So yes. They droped the coop features promised, and replaced by something that never would be called "coop" in the industry standards, becuase will be just playing the map, in "multiplayer" with several players... this is never advertised as Coop, but just as arena multiplayer, or PvP.
Stop to deny this. It's embarassing. Even Roberts or CIG never denied. Just you and a couple of fans trying to produce lame excuses for everything and that does not help you in anything, just to make people do not believe in anything that you guys say.
And let's stay as this. Don't make me bring the Roberts interviews, his comm-link statements. Because you probably know that I have all them.
The moddable private server, while there is no confirmation, they gave tips that won't be a complete full feature private server that does not really reproduce the PU entirely. They talked about how, with the raised scope, would become hard to keep it in a machine in people's home. For a long time, people spread this as the ultimate solution, specially for people who did not like PvP, or the mechanics that the game will have. "Ok. Leave. Go and play in PS and stop to talk about this". A common practice in the community to silence doubts and criticism for the mechanics/features. Well... except that was just hot air, because people, in practice won't have this ability, as they make sound that they Ould have, and by they here, I am talking about the "advertisers" of CIG, not CIG itself, in this particular case. But the fact is, that if someone insisted in a feedback, because the "common sense" of fanboys, chances would be that a moderator would consider the guy stubborn, if claiming that PS wouldn't be a real solution for what he was giving feedback. That is the sad part of this community. This focus on silencing criticism and advertise a game that since a long time didn't need advertising, because gathered enough money, and what needs, is to deliver, instead making baits to hunt whales, while bringing a lot of people that shouldn't come earlier because never will be prepared to live and accept years of failure and deception, to pretend that things "next time" are going to come faster.
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Roberts is telling to press and backers now about what he promised in the past - he was talking about what was the original plan and that the original plan was #1, 2 and 3, only... And I am just sticking to that. I've been very objective here, focusing in his explanation, not in the entire history of the project.. which is irrelevant to the point that I am making... so, It's simple.
What is described here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen
Is just 1, 2, and 3 only?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Roberts stated that his original plan was
1-) squadron 42, regular community updates and a multiplayer alpha.
I ask you? Was this that you read in the original kickstarter page? Are these 3 items and only these 3 items, the game-as-described?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen
No! you are doing exactly what I said was ridiculous in my 1st post in this thread today. You are forcing a hard stand. It no longer matters if you are right or wrong. All you will succeed in doing is dragging this thread out with another 7 pages of pointless nonsense.
Please, let it go already, if anyone agreed with you, they already have. If they don't, nothing you say at this point will change that. Even irrefutable evidence wouldn't work now
>>>>
Real quick, Star Citizen is:
- A rich universe focused on epic space adventure, trading and dogfighting in first person.
- Single Player – Offline or Online(Drop in / Drop out co-op play)
- Persistent Universe (hosted by US)
- Mod-able multiplayer (hosted by YOU)
- No Subscriptions
- No Pay to Win
>>>>Have fun
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Oh guys! That is a hilarious level of denial.
Question answered. Imagine that... Erillion would be the one to answer the question. The own Erillion was more objective and direct to the point, tha ll these "neutral" guys, "reasonable", who are not in denial blablabla...
That's it...
Chris Roberts claim NOW that what he promised was just Squadron 42, regular community updates and a multiplayer alpha.
Quickly, direct in the top of the page of the game-as-described originally, is stated that was much more than just these 3 items.
Still, Chris Roberts, deliberately lied to the "new public" and pretended that what he promised in the past was just those 3 items. That he did not deceived anyone.
So... That's it. I proven here, that Chris Roberts is deceptive, that he lied recently to the public about what he said/promised in the past. He was maybe deceptive in the past by accident, breaking a law and intentionally deceptive when trying to give the excuse for that. Going tot he point of doing that when was even accusing the press of lying. See? That's your idol, reliable..a Paladin of Honesty.
End of story.
It would take just a couple of posts, if you people weren't derailing and fleeing of the question, clearly demonstrating how afraid you are of been proven wrong, in some opints that you raise, by those who can.
And I hope that you stop with your sensationalistic, low-level claims, that people did not bring evidences and proof of wrong doing. Because here you have. Very CLEAR!
And you are very aware that is not just one. Are hundreds of instances like that. But imagine that. If I had to explain each one of the hundreds instances of wrong doings of this project and the lies of Mr. Roberts, how many pages it would take, with you people embracing the denial, lack of objectivity of who couldn't be afraid of the true, regardless if that will mean a bad scenario, and refusing to answer simple questions that I could make to make the point clear, irrefutable.
So, have fun in your denial guys and all this theater about "oh, hate this, hate that"... "we are the one neutral and others are extreme" ... "oh, no evidence of wrong doing was shown...ever" blablabla.
/thread.
Its interesting how two people can read the same text and come to completely different conclusions.
>>> So... That's it. I proven here, that Chris Roberts is deceptive, >>>>
Nothing like that has been proven.
THIS thread has proven that some people can write walls of text with zero substantial content.
Have fun
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3gt6ph/the_story_of_tufao_the_sc_community_biggest_troll/
He can not be argued with. I hoped that changed while reading some of his posts here but after his rant now I see that nothing has changed.
https://www.reddit.com/user/mestremun
Still doing your masters work even if he is not interested in you that much as in the beginning.
Theyre going to say whatever they think will get them the most money. WHAT they DO with that money is anyones guess. But the more they get the more they can split up. If they get 100 million more you can be sure it will not all be spent wisely nor will it all go to the game, just like this first 100 million (if that is an accurate number) has been spent.
CR originally said they could make the game (revised version) for 20-25 million. Highly unlikely but if he had been correct he would have been able to make it for that 25 million and then pocket he rest with no one being any the wiser.
Thats the 'problem' as long as he delivers a playable game (no matter what the cost) people wont care. No amount of negativity or white knighting is going to change that.
I doubt anyone will ever know how much money was put into the game itself. Nor will they ever know how much money was truly raised. At this point it is so confusing (probably by design) it is best to not think about it.
But CR and everyone affiliated with this game knows that this is the gravy train time and once anything is released that is actually a game that all stops. even the ship sales because once something is released all the flaws and hacks and problems it has will be exposed and exploited making pretty much anything 'legit' meaningless. THATS when the real fun begins.
All this stuff is just speculation but once the game is delivered and everyone is experiencing the same problems then its a REAL problem.
Again I am doing what I said was putting the cart before the horse, and that is thinking he will deliver a game decent enough to even have problems like this matter.
Its akin to ESO during beta. the bugs and exploits and crashes were so bad during that phase that no one even commented on lack of content, broken animations or bland combat. Those complaints didt start util after release and everyone saw the game was just another MMO.
Well at this point I think having SC be just another MMO would actually be a win.
It is a better hypothesis then some of the half-cocked statements from many critics who treat some of these ideas as common fact rather then even a likelyhood and sometimes (or maybe often) obfuscate reality just to make a point
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I said way back when that I dont think in their wildest dreams they would 'raise' so much money. So what went from crusade went to a whole other level. They got greedy they fgured they could use money and get away with it and still make the game.
But then problems arose, things werent working out and theyu realized that not only wasnt the money they originally said going ot be enough they would need more than whatthey had already raised. By that time questions were asked, people were antsy and stuff came out. So they went into full panic, denial defense mode, and since Oct look at everything that has come out. Alpha (demo) updates to demo, video packages (several) (Failed) live streams, announcement of the voice actors, more ships, reissue of 'special ships'.
To me its painfully obvious.
Now it can be spun, even by a less than neutral person as positive I suppose. At least theyre SHOWING people SOMETHING. Problem is nothing they have shown is all that positive. Other than the videos which are more than likely not possible, despite them claiming theyre in game footage. Which if theyre not and they arent makes it worse because its another lie (assuming you think what they have done in the past is lying and not honest miscalculations).
Generally when people try too hard theyre hiding something. If you 'got the goods' you sit back with a shit eating grin waiting to drop the hammer. Its a lot like a poker game. To me it looks like CR is bluffing. And maybe some of his detractors too. But in the end if eveyrones hands suck the people that get hurt the most are the guys backing the one with the most to lose, and that is and always will be Chris Roberts.
Well, they've already dropped co-op for the single player. And have they gotten more than 16 into instances yet?
I expect they'll run into more problems. And sometimes actually dropping it might be the best thing, all considered. That's a Roberts shortcoming though, he'll champion an idea, reasonable or inconsequential, long after it's evident it won't work or isn't worth the trouble. Just look at the exuberance over blood in the skin tone in the mocap.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Too bad, I thought that was an extremely cool idea, one of actual useful innovation.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
I'd agree. He thinks he's a genius, so what he's doing must be right! Also pretty sure his salary is commensurate with his ego.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
They just clarified that FIRST you finish the SQ42 narrative missions ALONE so the story can progress as intended. And THEN you can replay the same missions as often as you want in co-op mode via the sim-pod. Which does NOT contradict what they promised in Kickstarter - although some people want you to believe that.
@Turrican187 ; >>>They are about to drop private servers as well. >>>
Can you give us a link to the source for that information ?
Because to my knowledge so far they do NOT plan to drop the plan for private servers.
Have fun
PS:
DING ! 102 million. ;-)
So yes. They droped the coop features promised, and replaced by something that never would be called "coop" in the industry standards, becuase will be just playing the map, in "multiplayer" with several players... this is never advertised as Coop, but just as arena multiplayer, or PvP.
Stop to deny this. It's embarassing. Even Roberts or CIG never denied. Just you and a couple of fans trying to produce lame excuses for everything and that does not help you in anything, just to make people do not believe in anything that you guys say.
And let's stay as this. Don't make me bring the Roberts interviews, his comm-link statements. Because you probably know that I have all them.
The moddable private server, while there is no confirmation, they gave tips that won't be a complete full feature private server that does not really reproduce the PU entirely. They talked about how, with the raised scope, would become hard to keep it in a machine in people's home. For a long time, people spread this as the ultimate solution, specially for people who did not like PvP, or the mechanics that the game will have. "Ok. Leave. Go and play in PS and stop to talk about this". A common practice in the community to silence doubts and criticism for the mechanics/features. Well... except that was just hot air, because people, in practice won't have this ability, as they make sound that they Ould have, and by they here, I am talking about the "advertisers" of CIG, not CIG itself, in this particular case. But the fact is, that if someone insisted in a feedback, because the "common sense" of fanboys, chances would be that a moderator would consider the guy stubborn, if claiming that PS wouldn't be a real solution for what he was giving feedback. That is the sad part of this community. This focus on silencing criticism and advertise a game that since a long time didn't need advertising, because gathered enough money, and what needs, is to deliver, instead making baits to hunt whales, while bringing a lot of people that shouldn't come earlier because never will be prepared to live and accept years of failure and deception, to pretend that things "next time" are going to come faster.