I wish I could afford to do this!

Brenics

"Check out my second wall mural that went up today at our CIG LA office.  The render was created at 10K wide and printed out at 14 feet by 10 feet.  The print quality holds up really beautifully.  All of the ships were modeled and designed by a whole team of people, I just did the huge render.  It is definitely a lot of fun working on Star Citizen."

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/second-wall-mural-cig-la-office-gurmukh-bhasin

Now tell me, didn't Roberts say all the money would only go toward the game? So if one goes for 10k to 15k, that would be close to 30k spent on something that has nothing to do with making the game! Not hating or trolling here just confused to what Roberts said he would do with backer money.  Once game is done does he take it to his house? Plus wonder where other one is? 

goboygo

Ya your not hating or trolling or anything, in your own words your just totally confused.

Daikuru

Before i say something, can you link me the source where he said that 100% of the money will go toward the game please?

Brenics

Daikuru said:

Before i say something, can you link me the source where he said that 100% of the money will go toward the game please?

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15138-Letter-From-The-Chairman

Also says it here.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen/posts/361848

"Why Direct And No Publisher?

Publishers are useful in the old physical distribution world, but the Internet is the great equalizer. Marcus “Notch” Pearson didn’t need a publisher to sell over 8 million copies of Minecraft on the PC. Riot games didn’t need a publisher to reach 30-million League of Legends players, andWargaming.net didn’t need a publisher to reach 40-million World of Tanks gamers. If we were building a big “AAA” console game it would be crazy to try without a publisher. But we want to build a PC game and publishers increase costs because of their need to recoup their sizable overhead cost. We want to make sure all the money raised goes directly to the development of the game. So we’re throwing ourselves on the mercy of the PC gamers out there that share our vision and passion for the platform and the space combat genre to raise money outside of the “cartel” of traditional publishers. The game will cost less, be more creatively pure, and, most importantly, be built for the real “core” audience – not some corporate suit worried about including all the casual gamers."

Nanfoodle

People in creative jobs need things around them to stimulate creative thinking. My cousin makes video games for a living and his office is more like a toy store then an office. 

Distopia

I guess they may have sold a bunch of Jpegs in order to buy one..er.. two huge jpegs.

Daikuru

 "I promised a long time ago that the funds that we raise prior to what we consider the commercial release of Star Citizen would go towards additional development. Because of all of your support we can build this game bigger and better than anyone thought possible a few years ago.

With big numbers comes big attention. Some people look at the number and say “Why should they have all that money?” Well it’s because you want to build a big, bold game that doesn’t compromise! This is the secret. The additional money that comes in doesn’t go towards dividends for shareholders or making analysts happy with our profitability. It gets invested into making Star Citizen the best it can be. Hiring the best talent possible and allowing them to reach for the stars. Your contributions are going towards making the game better for you and all your friends. How could that possibly be a bad thing?"

Do you mean that? I dont think he is saying that all the money will only go toward the game to 100%.

Realizer

 Yeah, most tech companies do this. Have you seen the inside of Google? Or how about Blizzard with their castle? At Netflix the walls are covered with 30ft high movie poster style paintings. No one gets pissed that their $7.99 a month, doesn't only go to the shows/movies they get in their list.

 For all of you anti-fans so concerned about CIG employees not having a good work environment, you sure do complain a lot when they do things to improve morale. Also, Kickstarter ended 3 years ago, current sales are coming from ships, and other products. The subscription fee goes to the magazine/video series, I'm sure you know all of this already. I'm not sure why you're confused. 

Edit: Also, for what it's worth, printings like that don't cost $30k, they are relatively cheap, around $2.5k for 12ft x 30ft printings. We've done them in a few of our offices.

TiamatRoar

He could probably say that making a wall mural of the game for their office technically counts as money spent on the game because it helps the workers focus more on making the game if the game is in their face like that.

Honestly he might have a case there.  Lots of game companies plaster their offices with decorations of their various games.  I assume it's a lot better for morale (and thus, worker efficiency) than boring biege walls.  It probably didn't cost THAT much anyways if it's just wall paper they made themselves.  I could be wrong. I dunno the cost of wallpaper.  *shrug*

As much as I think Star Citizen is going to be a huge dissappointment, the fact that they believe in their project enough to wall-paper it up in their office would imply there's at least some sincerity there about making the game instead of just scamming people, I think.

Kefo

Realizer said:

 Yeah, most tech companies do this. Have you seen the inside of Google? Or how about Blizzard with their castle? At Netflix the walls are covered with 30ft high movie poster style paintings. No one gets pissed that their $7.99 a month, doesn't only go to the shows/movies they get in their list.

 For all of you anti-fans so concerned about CIG employees not having a good work environment, you sure do complain a lot when they do things to improve morale. Also, Kickstarter ended 3 years ago, current sales are coming from ships, and other products. The subscription fee goes to the magazine/video series, I'm sure you know all of this already. I'm not sure why you're confused. 

Edit: Also, for what it's worth, printings like that don't cost $30k, they are relatively cheap, around $2.5k for 12ft x 30ft printings. We've done them in a few of our offices.

Can you show me where blizzard or Netflix crowd funded their games or network?

Also the post says it took an entire team working on that mural. How much did that team cost in order to get it created? Your 2.5k is simply for printing costs but not for all other costs involved.

Aside from that it is a very nice mural.

Realizer

Kefo said:

Realizer said:

 Yeah, most tech companies do this. Have you seen the inside of Google? Or how about Blizzard with their castle? At Netflix the walls are covered with 30ft high movie poster style paintings. No one gets pissed that their $7.99 a month, doesn't only go to the shows/movies they get in their list.

 For all of you anti-fans so concerned about CIG employees not having a good work environment, you sure do complain a lot when they do things to improve morale. Also, Kickstarter ended 3 years ago, current sales are coming from ships, and other products. The subscription fee goes to the magazine/video series, I'm sure you know all of this already. I'm not sure why you're confused. 

Edit: Also, for what it's worth, printings like that don't cost $30k, they are relatively cheap, around $2.5k for 12ft x 30ft printings. We've done them in a few of our offices.

Can you show me where blizzard or Netflix crowd funded their games or network?

Also the post says it took an entire team working on that mural. How much did that team cost in order to get it created? Your 2.5k is simply for printing costs but not for all other costs involved.

Aside from that it is a very nice mural.

Please read through the link again, the "team" he talks about are the people designing those graphics for whatever they are used for. Such as selling ships, or adding them in a menu function for the game. The "upscale" of the image which is used for printing it out, was done by  Gurmukh Bhasin, he is one person. 

I'd recommend obsessing over something else, you know it's getting bad when you start imagining scenarios, and costs of everyday things to fit your narrative. 

Kefo

Realizer said:

Kefo said:

Realizer said:

 Yeah, most tech companies do this. Have you seen the inside of Google? Or how about Blizzard with their castle? At Netflix the walls are covered with 30ft high movie poster style paintings. No one gets pissed that their $7.99 a month, doesn't only go to the shows/movies they get in their list.

 For all of you anti-fans so concerned about CIG employees not having a good work environment, you sure do complain a lot when they do things to improve morale. Also, Kickstarter ended 3 years ago, current sales are coming from ships, and other products. The subscription fee goes to the magazine/video series, I'm sure you know all of this already. I'm not sure why you're confused. 

Edit: Also, for what it's worth, printings like that don't cost $30k, they are relatively cheap, around $2.5k for 12ft x 30ft printings. We've done them in a few of our offices.

Can you show me where blizzard or Netflix crowd funded their games or network?

Also the post says it took an entire team working on that mural. How much did that team cost in order to get it created? Your 2.5k is simply for printing costs but not for all other costs involved.

Aside from that it is a very nice mural.

Please read through the link again, the "team" he talks about are the people designing those graphics for whatever they are used for. Such as selling ships, or adding them in a menu function for the game. T
he "upscale" of the image which is used for printing it out, was done by  Gurmukh Bhasin, he is one person. 

I'd recommend obsessing over something else, you know it's getting bad when you start imagining scenarios, and costs of everyday things to fit your narrative. 

"All of the ships were modeled and designed by a whole team of people, I just did the huge render. "

Doesnt say say anything about who the team is just that it is a team of people. I think you're the one making things up to try and fit your narrative.

IceAge

Not a fan of SC ( I hate the buzz around it actually ) , but : 

"The render was created at 10K wide and printed out at 14 feet by 10 feet"

10k is not .. 10k$ It is how they created it, hence "wide" word after 10k !

Or did I miss-understood what you were saying? O.o 

EponyxDamor

IceAge said:

Not a fan of SC ( I hate the buzz around it actually ) , but : 

"The render was created at 10K wide and printed out at 14 feet by 10 feet"

10k is not .. 10k$ It is how they created it, hence "wide" word after 10k !

Or did I miss-understood what you were saying? O.o 

No, I don't think you misunderstood; no where did they say in the article that the mural cost $10,000. Even for Brenics, this is pretty ... Low. Basic reading comprehension FTW.

"10k wide" is certainly referring to the resolution of the render, not the cost.

Worse part is, people took the bait without even reading the article. Otherwise, they would have caught this too.

Either way, I think its pretty cool.

ElRenmazuo

10k wide doesnt mean 10k dollars lol

/thread

Erillion

Being a backer I am paying these guys ... and yes ... may they have something cool to look at instead of a blank concrete wall while they create something unique. Worth it. If you think about some of the most creative companies like Google - they do similar things ... and for good reasons.

And Brenics ... grab a nice high definition picture from the internet (anything you like), put it on an USB stick, bring it to your nearest Repro-shop, tell them to print it on those weather resistant plastic sheets they put on trucks for advertisment. Your 10 by 14 feet will cost you around 300 EUROs or so. Thank me later.


Have fun 

dsmart

According to estimates, that mural costs about $15K+. 

Sample pricing: http://www.morganmurals.com/pricing

An artist measured it in PS and it is close to 500 sq. ft on just that wall. plus the side.

But that's not the true crime of blowing backer money on bullshit (you've seen the posts about the expensive Restoration furniture, right?); they didn't like the first mural. So they changed it.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/712028002247426048

SEANMCAD

Brenics said:

"Check out my second wall mural that went up today at our CIG LA office.  The render was created at 10K wide and printed out at 14 feet by 10 feet.  The print quality holds up really beautifully.  All of the ships were modeled and designed by a whole team of people, I just did the huge render.  It is definitely a lot of fun working on Star Citizen."

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/second-wall-mural-cig-la-office-gurmukh-bhasin

Now tell me, didn't Roberts say all the money would only go toward the game? So if one goes for 10k to 15k, that would be close to 30k spent on something that has nothing to do with making the game! Not hating or trolling here just confused to what Roberts said he would do with backer money.  Once game is done does he take it to his house? Plus wonder where other one is? 

you...like many hyper critics...are about 2 years too late to what everyone already knows.

thanks for pointing out the blue sky today..I already knew that

FlyByKnight

I really and truly hope they didn't use a single penny of backer money for this... as funny as it would be for me PERSONALLY it's just professionally wrong and stupid at this point. You'd have to be a f$%cking retard of an executive OK something like this right now. I guess they have no PR people in house.

It's not even about the "murial", because as Erillon stated... that thing looks like a giant print out it's about the perception. Why open the can of worms?

SEANMCAD

FlyByKnight said:

I really and truly hope they didn't use a single penny of backer money for this... as funny as it would be for me PERSONALLY it's just professionally wrong and stupid at this point. You'd have to be a f$%cking retard of an executive OK something like this right now. I guess they have no PR people in house.

for this?

are you serious?

GUYS!

They started making virtual advertisements for their space ships well over a year ago and I can assure you those adds costed more than $15k. Your late to the crtical party here, nothing new. of COURSE they spend too much on marketing...duuhhh

Deathenger

Sooner or later the law will come in wanting to know where all the money went. When that day comes the  fanbois will rue the days they spent on here blindly defending this sham of a game.

dsmart

SEANMCAD said:

FlyByKnight said:

I really and truly hope they didn't use a single penny of backer money for this... as funny as it would be for me PERSONALLY it's just professionally wrong and stupid at this point. You'd have to be a f$%cking retard of an executive OK something like this right now. I guess they have no PR people in house.

for this?

are you serious?

GUYS!

They started making virtual advertisements for their space ships well over a year ago and I can assure you those adds costed more than $15k. Your late to the crtical party here, nothing new. of COURSE they spend too much on marketing...duuhhh

Yup. This despite the fact that Chris has repeatedly said that the money would go into the game, not PR, marketing or the like. 

SEANMCAD

dsmart said:

SEANMCAD said:

FlyByKnight said:

I really and truly hope they didn't use a single penny of backer money for this... as funny as it would be for me PERSONALLY it's just professionally wrong and stupid at this point. You'd have to be a f$%cking retard of an executive OK something like this right now. I guess they have no PR people in house.

for this?

are you serious?

GUYS!

They started making virtual advertisements for their space ships well over a year ago and I can assure you those adds costed more than $15k. Your late to the crtical party here, nothing new. of COURSE they spend too much on marketing...duuhhh

Yup. This despite the fact that Chris has repeatedly said that the money would go into the game, not PR, marketing or the like. 

so why are we pointing out the obvious? I mean seriously do you think by now this is going to be news to anyone? that anyone who knows this game is going to change their position because of a $15k poster and NOT because of all the virtual space ship adds that came out a year ago?

I think you need a reality check

Jermzy

When does this game release?   /chuckles

Nanfoodle

I get some of the threads about this game. They are doing some really questionable things and if I had backed this game. I would be getting a refund. But this? Do you expect them to make the game in a cardboard box? Should they bring investors to said cardboard box and ask them to back the game? Should the employees spend their days looking at white washed walls? Have nothing to look at to inspire them? This is the dumbest thread I have seen about this game and the company that makes it. If anything, this is positive. It shows they think they have something worth bragging about. 

SEANMCAD

Deathenger said:

Sooner or later the law will come in wanting to know where all the money went. When that day comes the  fanbois will rue the days they spent on here blindly defending this sham of a game.

1. there arent any fanboies in the MMORPG fourms for SC. its just you guys circle jerking each other (if you havent noticed)
2. it doesnt take 'the law' to figure out that SC team has for a long time been better at marketing then they are at making a game. Maybe people who invest in this game and cant see that really dont deserve protection? should we create laws that protect the most stupid of us all?