Yup. This despite the fact that Chris has repeatedly said that the money would go into the game, not PR, marketing or the like.
Does that include offices to work in, seats to sit on, computers to work on, internet connections to communicate with, software to design with, lighting to see by, doors to maintain privacy, kitchens to cook food in, security to protect staff and equipment, insurance to cover accidents....
For someone with so many years in the business you sure don't seem to understand what is takes to make that game.
Ignorant, stupid or malicious I don't care but please shut up.
People in creative jobs need things around them to stimulate creative thinking. My cousin makes video games for a living and his office is more like a toy store then an office.
I would rather see that in a game dev's office than a cube farm of business suits.
@OP - Who cares? You have a heap of art people that work their butts off trying to get this game out the door and they want to spice up the office and have the skills to do it...let them. Funny story, people get paid to work who say's they didn't start an office pool to pay for said art?
lol you guys trying so hard to find fault with CIG, trying so hard to make people believe that something untoward is taking place, trying so hard to convince yourself that every little thing is the doom of CIG and the backers are getting screwed. Give it a rest, seriously, the shit is old and worn the f!@# out. Can you move on to another conspiracy for awhile, change it up?
What a joke. Honestly.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Yup. This despite the fact that Chris has repeatedly said that the money would go into the game, not PR, marketing or the like.
Does that include offices to work in, seats to sit on, computers to work on, internet connections to communicate with, software to design with, lighting to see by, doors to maintain privacy, kitchens to cook food in, security to protect staff and equipment, insurance to cover accidents....
For someone with so many years in the business you sure don't seem to understand what is takes to make that game.
Ignorant, stupid or malicious I don't care but please shut up.
I almost think that this post is actually from a critics second account pretending to be a supporter.
15k poster != what you need to make a game
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Sooner or later the law will come in wanting to know where all the money went. When that day comes the fanbois will rue the days they spent on here blindly defending this sham of a game.
1. there arent any fanboies in the MMORPG fourms for SC. its just you guys circle jerking each other (if you havent noticed) 2. it doesnt take 'the law' to figure out that SC team has for a long time been better at marketing then they are at making a game. Maybe people who invest in this game and cant see that really dont deserve protection? should we create laws that protect the most stupid of us all?
Ooo there are fanboys. There is for just about every game on these forums.
Sooner or later the law will come in wanting to know where all the money went. When that day comes the fanbois will rue the days they spent on here blindly defending this sham of a game.
1. there arent any fanboies in the MMORPG fourms for SC. its just you guys circle jerking each other (if you havent noticed) 2. it doesnt take 'the law' to figure out that SC team has for a long time been better at marketing then they are at making a game. Maybe people who invest in this game and cant see that really dont deserve protection? should we create laws that protect the most stupid of us all?
Ooo there are fanboys. There is for just about every game on these forums.
yes of course there are fanboies, they wouldnt be able to raise 110 million dollars otherwise.
I am saying they are not in these forums circle jerking like the rest of us
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
People in creative jobs need things around them to stimulate creative thinking. My cousin makes video games for a living and his office is more like a toy store then an office.
Same with mine, though at SOE it was different. Maybe they are taking the google approach.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
People in creative jobs need things around them to stimulate creative thinking. My cousin makes video games for a living and his office is more like a toy store then an office.
Same with mine, though at SOE it was different. Maybe they are taking the google approach.
ok lets back up a bit.
having someone else put their vision of a poster in your office is not remotely the same as a creative person putting their creative projects around their office. Creative types would know exacty what I am getting at here.
a 15k poster is pure unadulterated Marketing
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I guess pinning one of these up just doesn't cut it...
That said it's par for the course. Lot's of gaming companies spend frivolously and have candy stores, murals, leather couches and extravagant over the top offices.
having someone else put their vision of a poster in your office is not remotely the same as a creative person putting their creative projects around their office. Creative types would know exacty what I am getting at here.
a 15k poster is pure unadulterated Marketing
When I was working at EA Guildford they had the back end of a formula 1 racing car sticking out of the wall to make it looked like it had crashed. They had a room of video games, all the instruments for guitar hero, pinball tables and lots of soft seats. The entire 2nd floor was decorated in a Harry Potter style with a suit of medieval armor and other decorations.
I am fairly sure none of the creative types actually drove that car into the office and crashed and I am sure the suit of armor wasn't made by anyone in the office.
Creative types tend to work better in creative environments and making a fuss out of this is just what it is...
having someone else put their vision of a poster in your office is not remotely the same as a creative person putting their creative projects around their office. Creative types would know exacty what I am getting at here.
a 15k poster is pure unadulterated Marketing
When I was working at EA Guildford they had the back end of a formula 1 racing car sticking out of the wall to make it looked like it had crashed. They had a room of video games, all the instruments for guitar hero, pinball tables and lots of soft seats. The entire 2nd floor was decorated in a Harry Potter style with a suit of medieval armor and other decorations.
I am fairly sure none of the creative types actually drove that car into the office and crashed and I am sure the suit of armor wasn't made by anyone in the office.
Creative types tend to work better in creative environments and making a fuss out of this is just what it is...
well several things
1. to be frank I wouldnt call anything from EA really 'creative' to begin with. 2. those items are for marketing. They are placed there for two reasons. 1. the general public and 2. for the employees to think its a cool place to work. 3. what creative types needs are not crashed motorcycles, they demand a more open work structure, flexiable work hours, teams are are open to suggestions and ideas. A very good well oiled and solid creative team has nothing whatsoever to do with what is in the lobby near the coffee shop.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
having someone else put their vision of a poster in your office is not remotely the same as a creative person putting their creative projects around their office. Creative types would know exacty what I am getting at here.
a 15k poster is pure unadulterated Marketing
When I was working at EA Guildford they had the back end of a formula 1 racing car sticking out of the wall to make it looked like it had crashed. They had a room of video games, all the instruments for guitar hero, pinball tables and lots of soft seats. The entire 2nd floor was decorated in a Harry Potter style with a suit of medieval armor and other decorations.
I am fairly sure none of the creative types actually drove that car into the office and crashed and I am sure the suit of armor wasn't made by anyone in the office.
Creative types tend to work better in creative environments and making a fuss out of this is just what it is...
EA isnt an Indie group whose main goal and salespitch was "we can make games faster and cheaper than everyone else because we use the funds for the game itself''. But we all know that bullshit flew out the window years ago.
Its like when people found out (non profit) charities sent about 10% of the money they raised to the actual people who needed it and execs and employees and leeches split up the other 90%. Thats why people dont contribute to many charities anymore.
EA isnt an Indie group whose main goal and salespitch was "we can make games faster and cheaper than everyone else because we use the funds for the game itself''. But we all know that bullshit flew out the window years ago.
Its like when people found out (non profit) charities sent about 10% of the money they raised to the actual people who needed it and execs and employees and leeches split up the other 90%. Thats why people dont contribute to many charities anymore.
EA isnt a creative company....full friggin stop.
Having said that I dont think CR and team ever suggested they could make games faster, cheaper and better.
I really think we should not place IMPLIED higher standards on indies then we do for companies with all the money
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I really and truly hope they didn't use a single penny of backer money for this... as funny as it would be for me PERSONALLY it's just professionally wrong and stupid at this point. You'd have to be a f$%cking retard of an executive OK something like this right now. I guess they have no PR people in house.
It's not even about the "murial", because as Erillon stated... that thing looks like a giant print out it's about the perception. Why open the can of worms?
Thanks, at least one other person gets it. Sad part is only money Roberts and all the companies he created are with backer money. So Roberts lied once again, backer money is used for expensive furniture, houses to live in, Sandi's acting career, Roberts dream of being a director in Hollywood and so on. Yet a few whiteknights think that is all OK because it helps make the game I guess.
A mural that size would be in the £400 - £1000 price range, maybe slightly more for the high render. Having a custom print of 550 cm by 310cm (18 ft by 13 ft) costs around £450. Any person with an average job can pay for that.
Talk about spreading misinformation and grasping at straws, and it seems DS has involved himself again by helping out with the smear.
I really and truly hope they didn't use a single penny of backer money for this... as funny as it would be for me PERSONALLY it's just professionally wrong and stupid at this point. You'd have to be a f$%cking retard of an executive OK something like this right now. I guess they have no PR people in house.
for this?
are you serious?
GUYS!
They started making virtual advertisements for their space ships well over a year ago and I can assure you those adds costed more than $15k. Your late to the crtical party here, nothing new. of COURSE they spend too much on marketing...duuhhh
Say what you want, the game is no where close to getting done. They have nothing but concept demo's and you think wasting money on stuff like this is fine? Also can you point out to me where future customers will see a mural in an office building they work in?
1. to be frank I wouldnt call anything from EA really 'creative' to begin with. 2. those items are for marketing. They are placed there for two reasons. 1. the general public and 2. for the employees to think its a cool place to work. 3. what creative types needs are not crashed motorcycles, they demand a more open work structure, flexiable work hours, teams are are open to suggestions and ideas. A very good well oiled and solid creative team has nothing whatsoever to do with what is in the lobby near the coffee shop.
1 - Personal opinion and I actually agree to some extent. I hate their business practices and what they have done to the industry in terms of eating up rival companies.
2 - Nope. Those items were purely for the several development teams. They were not open to the public. But they certainly did make it a cool place to work in.
3 - Have to disagree. Each department had a budget for their working environment and that is what THEY chose. I often chatted with the developers and asked then about their displays and they talked about them with a lot of enthusiasm and pride. It was eye candy and inspirational and for them, the creative ones, it was essential to their creative processes.
having someone else put their vision of a poster in your office is not remotely the same as a creative person putting their creative projects around their office. Creative types would know exacty what I am getting at here.
a 15k poster is pure unadulterated Marketing
When I was working at EA Guildford they had the back end of a formula 1 racing car sticking out of the wall to make it looked like it had crashed. They had a room of video games, all the instruments for guitar hero, pinball tables and lots of soft seats. The entire 2nd floor was decorated in a Harry Potter style with a suit of medieval armor and other decorations.
I am fairly sure none of the creative types actually drove that car into the office and crashed and I am sure the suit of armor wasn't made by anyone in the office.
Creative types tend to work better in creative environments and making a fuss out of this is just what it is...
well several things
1. to be frank I wouldnt call anything from EA really 'creative' to begin with. 2. those items are for marketing. They are placed there for two reasons. 1. the general public and 2. for the employees to think its a cool place to work. 3. what creative types needs are not crashed motorcycles, they demand a more open work structure, flexiable work hours, teams are are open to suggestions and ideas. A very good well oiled and solid creative team has nothing whatsoever to do with what is in the lobby near the coffee shop.
1. Are you being serious right now? Listen, your opinions is just that an opinion and in this case a very uninformed one.
2. Again, more opinion you are trying to sell as fact. Did you in fact work there? No? Do you work at all? I doubt it. @Grumpyhobbit did work there, so I am betting he would know far better than you the why's and what for's going on in an office you have never even been in.
3. How would you know? Have you taken a survey of every creative type in the game industry and figure out how they prefer to work? Post something backing any of your OPINIONS up and you may have a leg to stand on. Until then you are just another nutter with no facts and a lotta hot air.
Man you anti-cig kids are struggling with this one.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
A mural that size would be in the £400 - £1000 price range, maybe slightly more for the high render. Having a custom print of 550 cm by 310cm (18 ft by 13 ft) costs around £450. Any person with an average job can pay for that.
Talk about spreading misinformation and grasping at straws, and it seems DS has involved himself again by helping out with the smear.
Really? Can you link me to where that is true? I got mine from here, http://www.morganmurals.com/pricing so i would like to see where you can have it done cheaper!
A mural that size would be in the £400 - £1000 price range, maybe slightly more for the high render. Having a custom print of 550 cm by 310cm (18 ft by 13 ft) costs around £450. Any person with an average job can pay for that.
Talk about spreading misinformation and grasping at straws, and it seems DS has involved himself again by helping out with the smear.
A toilet seat cost about 30 bux, remember when the US govt was spending thousands on them? Or the 500 dollar hammers? And that was in the 80s.
When people have the money to burn common sense goes out the window.
Remember when this game was going to cost 6 million?
A mural that size would be in the £400 - £1000 price range, maybe slightly more for the high render. Having a custom print of 550 cm by 310cm (18 ft by 13 ft) costs around £450. Any person with an average job can pay for that.
Talk about spreading misinformation and grasping at straws, and it seems DS has involved himself again by helping out with the smear.
Really? Can you link me to where that is true? I got mine from here, http://www.morganmurals.com/pricing so i would like to see where you can have it done cheaper!
Actually he might be right. Which surprised me as I thought they would be more.
A mural that size would be in the £400 - £1000 price range, maybe slightly more for the high render. Having a custom print of 550 cm by 310cm (18 ft by 13 ft) costs around £450. Any person with an average job can pay for that.
Talk about spreading misinformation and grasping at straws, and it seems DS has involved himself again by helping out with the smear.
Really? Can you link me to where that is true? I got mine from here, http://www.morganmurals.com/pricing so i would like to see where you can have it done cheaper!
Yours is based on someone physically painting the picture, this is a digital print.
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For someone with so many years in the business you sure don't seem to understand what is takes to make that game.
Ignorant, stupid or malicious I don't care but please shut up.
@OP - Who cares? You have a heap of art people that work their butts off trying to get this game out the door and they want to spice up the office and have the skills to do it...let them. Funny story, people get paid to work who say's they didn't start an office pool to pay for said art?
lol you guys trying so hard to find fault with CIG, trying so hard to make people believe that something untoward is taking place, trying so hard to convince yourself that every little thing is the doom of CIG and the backers are getting screwed. Give it a rest, seriously, the shit is old and worn the f!@# out. Can you move on to another conspiracy for awhile, change it up?
What a joke. Honestly.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
15k poster != what you need to make a game
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I am saying they are not in these forums circle jerking like the rest of us
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
having someone else put their vision of a poster in your office is not remotely the same as a creative person putting their creative projects around their office. Creative types would know exacty what I am getting at here.
a 15k poster is pure unadulterated Marketing
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
That said it's par for the course. Lot's of gaming companies spend frivolously and have candy stores, murals, leather couches and extravagant over the top offices.
Just youtube a tour of any major game studio.
I mean look at Blizzard... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAb52CcI_is
Electronic Arts... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTm3b1CR9E0
It's like some people have never been in a big game studio before... get over it.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/a) cost 15 k$ (and i mean proof, not your estimate) and
b) was paid with backer money and not with personal money of Chris Roberts
Have fun
I am fairly sure none of the creative types actually drove that car into the office and crashed and I am sure the suit of armor wasn't made by anyone in the office.
Creative types tend to work better in creative environments and making a fuss out of this is just what it is...
Have fun
1. to be frank I wouldnt call anything from EA really 'creative' to begin with.
2. those items are for marketing. They are placed there for two reasons. 1. the general public and 2. for the employees to think its a cool place to work.
3. what creative types needs are not crashed motorcycles, they demand a more open work structure, flexiable work hours, teams are are open to suggestions and ideas. A very good well oiled and solid creative team has nothing whatsoever to do with what is in the lobby near the coffee shop.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Its like when people found out (non profit) charities sent about 10% of the money they raised to the actual people who needed it and execs and employees and leeches split up the other 90%. Thats why people dont contribute to many charities anymore.
Having said that I dont think CR and team ever suggested they could make games faster, cheaper and better.
I really think we should not place IMPLIED higher standards on indies then we do for companies with all the money
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
/facepalm
A mural that size would be in the £400 - £1000 price range, maybe slightly more for the high render. Having a custom print of 550 cm by 310cm (18 ft by 13 ft) costs around £450. Any person with an average job can pay for that.
Talk about spreading misinformation and grasping at straws, and it seems DS has involved himself again by helping out with the smear.
Say what you want, the game is no where close to getting done. They have nothing but concept demo's and you think wasting money on stuff like this is fine? Also can you point out to me where future customers will see a mural in an office building they work in?
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
2 - Nope. Those items were purely for the several development teams. They were not open to the public. But they certainly did make it a cool place to work in.
3 - Have to disagree. Each department had a budget for their working environment and that is what THEY chose. I often chatted with the developers and asked then about their displays and they talked about them with a lot of enthusiasm and pride. It was eye candy and inspirational and for them, the creative ones, it was essential to their creative processes.
2. Again, more opinion you are trying to sell as fact. Did you in fact work there? No? Do you work at all? I doubt it. @Grumpyhobbit did work there, so I am betting he would know far better than you the why's and what for's going on in an office you have never even been in.
3. How would you know? Have you taken a survey of every creative type in the game industry and figure out how they prefer to work? Post something backing any of your OPINIONS up and you may have a leg to stand on. Until then you are just another nutter with no facts and a lotta hot air.
Man you anti-cig kids are struggling with this one.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
When people have the money to burn common sense goes out the window.
Remember when this game was going to cost 6 million?
I found this site for pre-made murals ...
http://pixersize.com/wallmurals?gclid=CMTf6_rD1MsCFQEmhgodYE4Kmw#/tab-inspirations
And this site that allows you to use your own image; after putting in arbitrary dimensions of 8' x 15' started at $820 (on sale from $1,026)
http://www.muralsyourway.com/my-image/
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
This is one my mate used
http://www.wallsauce.com/