The core point being made here (at least by me) is does crowd micromanagement make sense or does it make more sense to just move on when you see something going poorly?
Sooner or later the law will come in wanting to know where all the money went. When that day comes the fanbois will rue the days they spent on here blindly defending this sham of a game.
1. there arent any fanboies in the MMORPG fourms for SC. its just you guys circle jerking each other (if you havent noticed) 2. it doesnt take 'the law' to figure out that SC team has for a long time been better at marketing then they are at making a game. Maybe people who invest in this game and cant see that really dont deserve protection? should we create laws that protect the most stupid of us all?
We already have those laws in the liquor control act and in gambling.They can fine a bar if serving patrons that are intoxicated because the patron is too stupid to stop drinking and bar owners don't care they would gladly take all your money.
It used to be far more strict because people really are that dumb they NEED protection from themselves,also done with the seatbelt laws.
They have AGE laws because it is a consensus that all believe young kids cannot think rationally.Those laws cover everything from gambling to website advertising to sales to alcohol sales ,establishments,driving etc etc.Basically saying not only do young people not think rationally they don't think rationally in all aspects of life.Even games have age protection sales.
The only sad reality is that gamine developers have just recently tried to manipulate customers and BEND the laws for their own personal gain and the laws themselves have only begun to scratch the surface of both internet and gaming.You can expect MANY more laws and stricter policing of gaming and internet over the next 15 years.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Sooner or later the law will come in wanting to know where all the money went. When that day comes the fanbois will rue the days they spent on here blindly defending this sham of a game.
1. there arent any fanboies in the MMORPG fourms for SC. its just you guys circle jerking each other (if you havent noticed) 2. it doesnt take 'the law' to figure out that SC team has for a long time been better at marketing then they are at making a game. Maybe people who invest in this game and cant see that really dont deserve protection? should we create laws that protect the most stupid of us all?
We already have those laws in the liquor control act and in gambling.They can fine a bar if serving patrons that are intoxicated because the patron is too stupid to stop drinking and bar owners don't care they would gladly take all your money.
It used to be far more strict because people really are that dumb they NEED protection from themselves,also done with the seatbelt laws.
They have AGE laws because it is a consensus that all believe young kids cannot think rationally.Those laws cover everything from gambling to website advertising to sales to alcohol sales ,establishments,driving etc etc.Basically saying not only do young people not think rationally they don't think rationally in all aspects of life.Even games have age protection sales.
The only sad reality is that gamine developers have just recently tried to manipulate customers and BEND the laws for their own personal gain and the laws themselves have only begun to scratch the surface of both internet and gaming.You can expect MANY more laws and stricter policing of gaming and internet over the next 15 years.
and to be frank just because laws of those kind exist doesnt mean I support them.
In fact, generally speaking outside of gaming I am more on the side of MORE regulation in areas such as health and safety, large ticket items etc.
but I think if low regulation can not work in gaming then it can not work anywhere. The more regulation you have the less freedom you can enjoy and when we start getting overly concerned about the health and safety of $30 games then its a step toward totalitarism more so then I care for. Lets keep regulation to health and safety and large ticket items..ok?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Sooner or later the law will come in wanting to know where all the money went. When that day comes the fanbois will rue the days they spent on here blindly defending this sham of a game.
1. there arent any fanboies in the MMORPG fourms for SC. its just you guys circle jerking each other (if you havent noticed) 2. it doesnt take 'the law' to figure out that SC team has for a long time been better at marketing then they are at making a game. Maybe people who invest in this game and cant see that really dont deserve protection? should we create laws that protect the most stupid of us all?
We already have those laws in the liquor control act and in gambling.They can fine a bar if serving patrons that are intoxicated because the patron is too stupid to stop drinking and bar owners don't care they would gladly take all your money.
It used to be far more strict because people really are that dumb they NEED protection from themselves,also done with the seatbelt laws.
They have AGE laws because it is a consensus that all believe young kids cannot think rationally.Those laws cover everything from gambling to website advertising to sales to alcohol sales ,establishments,driving etc etc.Basically saying not only do young people not think rationally they don't think rationally in all aspects of life.Even games have age protection sales.
The only sad reality is that gamine developers have just recently tried to manipulate customers and BEND the laws for their own personal gain and the laws themselves have only begun to scratch the surface of both internet and gaming.You can expect MANY more laws and stricter policing of gaming and internet over the next 15 years.
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Guess what though! Compare today to 20 years ago and NOTHING IS DIFFERENT!!!! Same number of people getting screwed, same number of people monopolizing stuff, people doing stupid shit.
The only sad reality is that, in the US, there will probably be laws more strict about buying a video game than a freakin' gun! It's actually hilariously ironic. Especially when that big anti-game lobbyist in California was just picked up for selling weapons to terrorists. Eff me! Some people have some seriously messed up priorities.
Anyway, you're wrong on so many levels, but I respect your opinion (even though it's wrong)
Guess what though! Compare today to 20 years ago and NOTHING IS DIFFERENT!!!! Same number of people getting screwed, same number of people monopolizing stuff, people doing stupid shit.
The only sad reality is that, in the US, there will probably be laws more strict about buying a video game than a freakin' gun! It's actually hilariously ironic. Especially when that big anti-game lobbyist in California was just picked up for selling weapons to terrorists. Eff me! Some people have some seriously messed up priorities.
Anyway, you're wrong on so many levels, but I respect your opinion (even though it's wrong)
having lived in america my entire life (48) I can tell you that its likely that all the people who are for strick rules on Kickstarters and Early Access are likely the very same people who think goverment is over regulated.
I bet my check on it.
why? I dont know but it is what it is
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[mod edit] Guess what though! Compare today to 20 years ago and NOTHING IS DIFFERENT!!!! Same number of people getting screwed, same number of people monopolizing stuff, people doing stupid shit.
The only sad reality is that, in the US, there will probably be laws more strict about buying a video game than a freakin' gun! It's actually hilariously ironic. Especially when that big anti-game lobbyist in California was just picked up for selling weapons to terrorists. Eff me! Some people have some seriously messed up priorities.
Anyway, you're wrong on so many levels, but I respect your opinion (even though it's wrong)
having lived in america my entire life (48) I can tell you that its likely that all the people who are for strick rules on Kickstarters and Early Access are likely the very same people who think goverment is over regulated.
"The only sad reality is that, in the US, there will probably be laws
more strict about buying a video game than a freakin' gun! It's actually
hilariously ironic. Especially when that big anti-game lobbyist in
California was just picked up for selling weapons to terrorists. Eff me!
Some people have some seriously messed up priorities."
Illegal sales of firearms happen everywhere that firearms exist. It's as unavoidable as any black market. As a citizen of the United States (from Texas) and a gun owner, I can assure you it is far more difficult to legally buy a firearm than it is to buy a mature rated video game (you don't get background checked or have to submit applications, for example, as opposed to simply having an ID checked for its birth date). I realize that isn't what this topic is ultimately concerned with, but it's a common misunderstanding and a disservice to continue propagating false information for the sake of loading an argument.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
"The only sad reality is that, in the US, there will probably be laws
more strict about buying a video game than a freakin' gun! It's actually
hilariously ironic. Especially when that big anti-game lobbyist in
California was just picked up for selling weapons to terrorists. Eff me!
Some people have some seriously messed up priorities."
Illegal sales of firearms happen everywhere that firearms exist. It's as unavoidable as any black market. As a citizen of the United States (from Texas) and a gun owner, I can assure you it is far more difficult to legally buy a firearm than it is to buy a mature rated video game (you don't get background checked or have to submit applications, for example, as opposed to simply having an ID checked for its birth date). I realize that isn't what this topic is ultimately concerned with, but it's a common misunderstanding and a disservice to continue propagating false information for the sake of loading an argument.
Naw, it's equally easy. I bought a shotgun for my home and I never submitted anything. I literally ordered it online and it arrived in like 8 says. I mean, I guess games are easier in that you can download them that day, but it's pretty similar.
"The only sad reality is that, in the US, there will probably be laws
more strict about buying a video game than a freakin' gun! It's actually
hilariously ironic. Especially when that big anti-game lobbyist in
California was just picked up for selling weapons to terrorists. Eff me!
Some people have some seriously messed up priorities."
Illegal sales of firearms happen everywhere that firearms exist. It's as unavoidable as any black market. As a citizen of the United States (from Texas) and a gun owner, I can assure you it is far more difficult to legally buy a firearm than it is to buy a mature rated video game (you don't get background checked or have to submit applications, for example, as opposed to simply having an ID checked for its birth date). I realize that isn't what this topic is ultimately concerned with, but it's a common misunderstanding and a disservice to continue propagating false information for the sake of loading an argument.
that is true however the Gamers of the NRA are trying to change that to make it harder and more strick to buy video games and easier to buy guns. (I made that group up it doesnt exist) but 'strick conservitives' tend be all for high regulation when it comes to entertainment choices but low regulation when it comes to bank scams
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
"The only sad reality is that, in the US, there will probably be laws
more strict about buying a video game than a freakin' gun! It's actually
hilariously ironic. Especially when that big anti-game lobbyist in
California was just picked up for selling weapons to terrorists. Eff me!
Some people have some seriously messed up priorities."
Illegal sales of firearms happen everywhere that firearms exist. It's as unavoidable as any black market. As a citizen of the United States (from Texas) and a gun owner, I can assure you it is far more difficult to legally buy a firearm than it is to buy a mature rated video game (you don't get background checked or have to submit applications, for example, as opposed to simply having an ID checked for its birth date). I realize that isn't what this topic is ultimately concerned with, but it's a common misunderstanding and a disservice to continue propagating false information for the sake of loading an argument.
Naw, it's equally easy. I bought a shotgun for my home and I never submitted anything. I literally ordered it online and it arrived in like 8 says. I mean, I guess games are easier in that you can download them that day, but it's pretty similar.
I'd say that's a pretty large barrier to entry in comparison to buying a video game, cost excluded, and though it may not be as quickly regulated as an in store purchase (much like buying from an individual), the FFL will eventually receive paperwork from the dealer and run their own background check to make sure it's a legal purchase (and if the paperwork isn't submitted, it's considered an illegal weapon, which is a felony). The difference between buying online and from a brick-and-mortar is that the handling of the process is done almost entirely without you knowing that it's happened.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
"The only sad reality is that, in the US, there will probably be laws
more strict about buying a video game than a freakin' gun! It's actually
hilariously ironic. Especially when that big anti-game lobbyist in
California was just picked up for selling weapons to terrorists. Eff me!
Some people have some seriously messed up priorities."
Illegal sales of firearms happen everywhere that firearms exist. It's as unavoidable as any black market. As a citizen of the United States (from Texas) and a gun owner, I can assure you it is far more difficult to legally buy a firearm than it is to buy a mature rated video game (you don't get background checked or have to submit applications, for example, as opposed to simply having an ID checked for its birth date). I realize that isn't what this topic is ultimately concerned with, but it's a common misunderstanding and a disservice to continue propagating false information for the sake of loading an argument.
Naw, it's equally easy. I bought a shotgun for my home and I never submitted anything. I literally ordered it online and it arrived in like 8 says. I mean, I guess games are easier in that you can download them that day, but it's pretty similar.
I'd say that's a pretty large barrier to entry ...
stop..dont do this...and not only because its off topic just dont...stop now
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
"The only sad reality is that, in the US, there will probably be laws
more strict about buying a video game than a freakin' gun! It's actually
hilariously ironic. Especially when that big anti-game lobbyist in
California was just picked up for selling weapons to terrorists. Eff me!
Some people have some seriously messed up priorities."
Illegal sales of firearms happen everywhere that firearms exist. It's as unavoidable as any black market. As a citizen of the United States (from Texas) and a gun owner, I can assure you it is far more difficult to legally buy a firearm than it is to buy a mature rated video game (you don't get background checked or have to submit applications, for example, as opposed to simply having an ID checked for its birth date). I realize that isn't what this topic is ultimately concerned with, but it's a common misunderstanding and a disservice to continue propagating false information for the sake of loading an argument.
Naw, it's equally easy. I bought a shotgun for my home and I never submitted anything. I literally ordered it online and it arrived in like 8 says. I mean, I guess games are easier in that you can download them that day, but it's pretty similar.
I'd say that's a pretty large barrier to entry, cost excluded, and though it may not be as quickly regulated as an in store purchase (much like buying from an individual), the FFL will eventually receive paperwork from the dealer and run their own background check to make sure it's a legal purchase (and if the paperwork isn't submitted, it's considered an illegal weapon, which is a felony). The difference between buying online and from a brick-and-mortar is that the handling of the process is done almost entirely without you knowing that it's happened.
Well, I live in Arizona and it was really easy for me to get my shotgun. That other people handled getting it to me is really inconsequential. I mean, you might as well complain that games take time to make. I already own a .22 rifle that my uncle gave me after we went hunting because he has like a million guns. I literally filed zero paperwork for that. Maybe I should? I don't actually know for sure as I never even considered using it (for hunting).
"The only sad reality is that, in the US, there will probably be laws
more strict about buying a video game than a freakin' gun! It's actually
hilariously ironic. Especially when that big anti-game lobbyist in
California was just picked up for selling weapons to terrorists. Eff me!
Some people have some seriously messed up priorities."
Illegal sales of firearms happen everywhere that firearms exist. It's as unavoidable as any black market. As a citizen of the United States (from Texas) and a gun owner, I can assure you it is far more difficult to legally buy a firearm than it is to buy a mature rated video game (you don't get background checked or have to submit applications, for example, as opposed to simply having an ID checked for its birth date). I realize that isn't what this topic is ultimately concerned with, but it's a common misunderstanding and a disservice to continue propagating false information for the sake of loading an argument.
Naw, it's equally easy. I bought a shotgun for my home and I never submitted anything. I literally ordered it online and it arrived in like 8 says. I mean, I guess games are easier in that you can download them that day, but it's pretty similar.
I'd say that's a pretty large barrier to entry, cost excluded, and though it may not be as quickly regulated as an in store purchase (much like buying from an individual), the FFL will eventually receive paperwork from the dealer and run their own background check to make sure it's a legal purchase (and if the paperwork isn't submitted, it's considered an illegal weapon, which is a felony). The difference between buying online and from a brick-and-mortar is that the handling of the process is done almost entirely without you knowing that it's happened.
Well, I live in Arizona and it was really easy for me to get my shotgun. That other people handled getting it to me is really inconsequential. I mean, you might as well complain that games take time to make. I already own a .22 rifle that my uncle gave me after we went hunting because he has like a million guns. I literally filed zero paperwork for that. Maybe I should? I don't actually know for sure as I never even considered using it (for hunting).
States like Arizona and Texas have inheritance clauses, which don't require transfers to be filed because we have no state registration. Even sales between individuals require nothing from the buyer, it's the responsibility of the dealer. And yes, in states without waiting periods like Texas, submitting your paperwork and getting background checked can take less than thirty minutes. Sales of video games aren't federally regulated with even nearly the same requirements, so if you're going to argue that it's more difficult to buy a mature rated game, it simply isn't true.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
"I have a lot of industry friends pat me on the back and say, 'Wow, it must be so great to be operating in profit even before you ship!' Their look usually turns to incredulity when I explain that my intention is for all the money we bring in before launch to be spent on development." (emphasis mine)
This was widely picked up and reported by news outlets and fans alike:
VG24/7: "Star Citizen is not making a profit from crowdfunding":
Whether or not you consider mural painting to be part of development or not is a matter of opinion, I suppose. However, I don't think you can really take the above quote in any way except for '100% of the monies going to development' without resorting to mental gymnastics.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
"I have a lot of industry friends pat me on the back and say, 'Wow, it must be so great to be operating in profit even before you ship!' Their look usually turns to incredulity when I explain that my intention is for all the money we bring in before launch to be spent on development." (emphasis mine)
This was widely picked up and reported by news outlets and fans alike:
VG24/7: "Star Citizen is not making a profit from crowdfunding":
Whether or not you consider mural painting to be part of development or not is a matter of opinion, I suppose. However, I don't think you can really take the above quote in any way except for '100% of the monies going to development' without resorting to mental gymnastics.
yeah that are two completely different topics.
I seriously doubt the connection between those two points is that they wanted to spend that profit on a large mural because that sounded like more fun then buying a boat.
regardless. one thing is for sure, if this game fails completely in the worst way critics suggest then one thing 'should' be clear to the gaming industry...people do in fact want a game like this and they are in fact willing to spend f8ck tons of money for it.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
"The only sad reality is that, in the US, there will probably be laws
more strict about buying a video game than a freakin' gun! It's actually
hilariously ironic. Especially when that big anti-game lobbyist in
California was just picked up for selling weapons to terrorists. Eff me!
Some people have some seriously messed up priorities."
Illegal sales of firearms happen everywhere that firearms exist. It's as unavoidable as any black market. As a citizen of the United States (from Texas) and a gun owner, I can assure you it is far more difficult to legally buy a firearm than it is to buy a mature rated video game (you don't get background checked or have to submit applications, for example, as opposed to simply having an ID checked for its birth date). I realize that isn't what this topic is ultimately concerned with, but it's a common misunderstanding and a disservice to continue propagating false information for the sake of loading an argument.
Naw, it's equally easy. I bought a shotgun for my home and I never submitted anything. I literally ordered it online and it arrived in like 8 says. I mean, I guess games are easier in that you can download them that day, but it's pretty similar.
I'd say that's a pretty large barrier to entry, cost excluded, and though it may not be as quickly regulated as an in store purchase (much like buying from an individual), the FFL will eventually receive paperwork from the dealer and run their own background check to make sure it's a legal purchase (and if the paperwork isn't submitted, it's considered an illegal weapon, which is a felony). The difference between buying online and from a brick-and-mortar is that the handling of the process is done almost entirely without you knowing that it's happened.
Well, I live in Arizona and it was really easy for me to get my shotgun. That other people handled getting it to me is really inconsequential. I mean, you might as well complain that games take time to make. I already own a .22 rifle that my uncle gave me after we went hunting because he has like a million guns. I literally filed zero paperwork for that. Maybe I should? I don't actually know for sure as I never even considered using it (for hunting).
States like Arizona and Texas have inheritance clauses, which don't require transfers to be filed because we have no state registration. Even sales between individuals require nothing from the buyer, it's the responsibility of the dealer. And yes, in states without waiting periods like Texas, submitting your paperwork and getting background checked can take less than thirty minutes. Sales of video games aren't federally regulated with even nearly the same requirements, so if you're going to argue that it's more difficult to buy a mature rated game, it simply isn't true.
And that's exactly what I was told when he almost forced the rifle on me. I just had no experience at that point, but he thought it was important when I was like 19.
I will say that buying a mature rated game for me at Target was actually an issue... almost 20 years ago. But yes, if an adult actually wants to buy a mature video game, it's WAY easier than a firearm. Especially where I live.
So, I do agree that in my state and your state that buying a mature video game is easier. I really meant to come at the issue from a position that buying a mature video game has the exact same requirements as buying a firearm. You must be 18. That is literally all that is required here. For instance, once you are 18, you can buy a gun from here and you can buy a mature video game. The only restrictions are your age and whether or not you have been convicted of a felony. However, you can be convicted of a felony and buy any game.
Without stuff like this companies don't sell anything and close. There are - I suggest - no companies that would not consider stuff like this valid expenses.
Now companies can spend to much - such that the "value added" - to use a Public Relations term - doesn't justify the expenditure. Entirely possible given the absense of a dominant media channel today as well. That is a different discussion however. Simply suggesting "oh all the money should be spent on coding" would result in some people rejoicing that RSI had closed down sometime in the future - if they ever found out about it of course.
Without stuff like this companies don't sell anything and close. There are - I suggest - no companies that would not consider stuff like this valid expenses.
Now companies can spend to much - such that the "value added" - to use a Public Relations term - doesn't justify the expenditure. Entirely possible given the absense of a dominant media channel today as well. That is a different discussion however. Simply suggesting "oh all the money should be spent on coding" would result in some people rejoicing that RSI had closed down sometime in the future - if they ever found out about it of course.
exactly...
and crowd micro-managing what % of the budget should be for marketing and what those marketing dollars should be spent on is just a plan for disaster. people should just walk away if they dont like how the project is managed. simple as that
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Without stuff like this companies don't sell anything and close. There are - I suggest - no companies that would not consider stuff like this valid expenses.
You are absolutely right. However, I find it disingenuous (to put it mildly) to strongly imply that 100 pennies on the crowdfunded dollar are going toward game development, when in fact it's 30 pennies toward marketing and advertisements, et cetera.
That's why I assume that people who actually understand the way large businesses operate must cringe at some of Chris' comments from time to time. This is more a comment toward the nature of CIG's PR than anything else.
I have no monetary skin in this race, so with that I shall bow out of these subforums for a while and let fans and critics alike come to terms with matters appearing as they may.
/bows
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
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It used to be far more strict because people really are that dumb they NEED protection from themselves,also done with the seatbelt laws.
They have AGE laws because it is a consensus that all believe young kids cannot think rationally.Those laws cover everything from gambling to website advertising to sales to alcohol sales ,establishments,driving etc etc.Basically saying not only do young people not think rationally they don't think rationally in all aspects of life.Even games have age protection sales.
The only sad reality is that gamine developers have just recently tried to manipulate customers and BEND the laws for their own personal gain and the laws themselves have only begun to scratch the surface of both internet and gaming.You can expect MANY more laws and stricter policing of gaming and internet over the next 15 years.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
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Guess what though! Compare today to 20 years ago and NOTHING IS DIFFERENT!!!! Same number of people getting screwed, same number of people monopolizing stuff, people doing stupid shit.
The only sad reality is that, in the US, there will probably be laws more strict about buying a video game than a freakin' gun! It's actually hilariously ironic. Especially when that big anti-game lobbyist in California was just picked up for selling weapons to terrorists. Eff me! Some people have some seriously messed up priorities.
Anyway, you're wrong on so many levels, but I respect your opinion (even though it's wrong)
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I bet my check on it.
why? I dont know but it is what it is
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we want to regulate game purchases to a high level but people should be allowed to carry a gun into a school without a permit.
you got it
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Illegal sales of firearms happen everywhere that firearms exist. It's as unavoidable as any black market. As a citizen of the United States (from Texas) and a gun owner, I can assure you it is far more difficult to legally buy a firearm than it is to buy a mature rated video game (you don't get background checked or have to submit applications, for example, as opposed to simply having an ID checked for its birth date). I realize that isn't what this topic is ultimately concerned with, but it's a common misunderstanding and a disservice to continue propagating false information for the sake of loading an argument.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
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Hammer ... this is thread ...
Do your thing !
Have fun
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"I have a lot of industry friends pat me on the back and say, 'Wow, it must be so great to be operating in profit even before you ship!' Their look usually turns to incredulity when I explain that my intention is for all the money we bring in before launch to be spent on development." (emphasis mine)
This was widely picked up and reported by news outlets and fans alike:
VG24/7: "Star Citizen is not making a profit from crowdfunding":
https://www.vg247.com/2014/10/02/star-citizen-is-not-making-a-profit-from-crowdfunding/
Whether or not you consider mural painting to be part of development or not is a matter of opinion, I suppose. However, I don't think you can really take the above quote in any way except for '100% of the monies going to development' without resorting to mental gymnastics.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
I seriously doubt the connection between those two points is that they wanted to spend that profit on a large mural because that sounded like more fun then buying a boat.
regardless. one thing is for sure, if this game fails completely in the worst way critics suggest then one thing 'should' be clear to the gaming industry...people do in fact want a game like this and they are in fact willing to spend f8ck tons of money for it.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I will say that buying a mature rated game for me at Target was actually an issue... almost 20 years ago. But yes, if an adult actually wants to buy a mature video game, it's WAY easier than a firearm. Especially where I live.
So, I do agree that in my state and your state that buying a mature video game is easier. I really meant to come at the issue from a position that buying a mature video game has the exact same requirements as buying a firearm. You must be 18. That is literally all that is required here. For instance, once you are 18, you can buy a gun from here and you can buy a mature video game. The only restrictions are your age and whether or not you have been convicted of a felony. However, you can be convicted of a felony and buy any game.
Promotion.
Marketing.
Without stuff like this companies don't sell anything and close. There are - I suggest - no companies that would not consider stuff like this valid expenses.
Now companies can spend to much - such that the "value added" - to use a Public Relations term - doesn't justify the expenditure. Entirely possible given the absense of a dominant media channel today as well. That is a different discussion however. Simply suggesting "oh all the money should be spent on coding" would result in some people rejoicing that RSI had closed down sometime in the future - if they ever found out about it of course.
and crowd micro-managing what % of the budget should be for marketing and what those marketing dollars should be spent on is just a plan for disaster. people should just walk away if they dont like how the project is managed. simple as that
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That's why I assume that people who actually understand the way large businesses operate must cringe at some of Chris' comments from time to time. This is more a comment toward the nature of CIG's PR than anything else.
I have no monetary skin in this race, so with that I shall bow out of these subforums for a while and let fans and critics alike come to terms with matters appearing as they may.
/bows
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