It takes a low IQ`d shill to spin the word "investment" into "profit". But it takes an ultra special degree of stupidity to blindly believe that getting crowdFUNDED is the same as making a profit. Senior Moron Croberts had a quote here where he said that people were patting him on the back for making money when he got the crowdfunding started....holy shebrew juice. This looks like something from one of those ultra specials' handbook...where they take a $100k loan from the bank and blast social media with repeated spam that that they earned a $100k paycheck. ...
But what's worse in this case is that no bank might send its headhunters after him. Who`ll arrive on his doorstep might literally be a madly enraged horde with literal torches and pitchforks once this shit hits the proverbial fan. What the hell could possess the man to royally rawbumfuq the fans so blindly devoted to him???? Does he not know the most devoted of fan will turn into the most deranged of hater once the illusion shatters?????
As for those who are asking for proof that this came out out the company's funds, I ask you to first give proof that this mural came out of Crobert's private kitty. A crowdfunded company using crowdfunded investments on improvements deemed beneficial for said crowdfunded company is more likely that CEO of said company playing a lone private investor for funding said improvements rather than just shuffling crowdfunded investments around to suit his extravagant fancies.
Yeah...
Shifting the burden of proof won't work.
The neutral position is "we don't know how it was paid for or how much it cost".
Then someone posts that it cost $15,000 of backers money....the 1st positive or negative comment. It is now on that person to prove their statement correct. That person has the burden of proof and the best position to take is the neutral stance of "don't know and until proof is given don't accept anything but don't know".
You did see where I got my info from, but I guess you ignored it! Others have linked what they think it cost. Yet you only go to my price, I guess the other guys links were acceptable to you. Whether he paid 300 (think was lowest) to 15k he has no other income so it was backers money. The cost actually isn't the point so yes you may differ with me on price but using backers money for something like this is a waste.
Few people think it is used for front office to get investors. Problem with that do you really want to show investors how you thru backers money on that? They will have enough problems showing them no actual game. But that is my opinion and I do think it is closer to the truth than what you say.
Again, how can you say it's a waste? A happy worker is a productive worker. There's actually plenty of evidence to support that all over the Internet. It seems like this guy is happy at CIG and is proud of his work. Even if it increases his happiness a fraction of a percent, it's worthwhile. Moreover, if it helps to keep him happy at CIG it's certainly much, much, much more inexpensive than replacing talent. Why do you think Google is such an awesome place to work? Why do you think they give people a percentage of their time to work on side projects? I'm pretty sure I won't need an 8-bit version of Google Maps any time soon, but that's not what it's about, it's about keeping high performers happy and productive.
Again, how can you say it's a waste? A happy worker is a productive worker. There's actually plenty of evidence to support that all over the Internet. It seems like this guy is happy at CIG and is proud of his work. Even if it increases his happiness a fraction of a percent, it's worthwhile. Moreover, if it helps to keep him happy at CIG it's certainly much, much, much more inexpensive than replacing talent. Why do you think Google is such an awesome place to work? Why do you think they give people a percentage of their time to work on side projects? I'm pretty sure I won't need an 8-bit version of Google Maps any time soon, but that's not what it's about, it's about keeping high performers happy and productive.
A happy worker is a productive worker I agree with. And yeah the guy who talked about the mural was pretty damn happy. What about the team of people who put it together? Was this a pet project for them like Google does or was this contracted out or time taken away from the game in order to work on it.
RSI can spend as much money as they want on anything they want when thy release a finished game and are bringing in a profit, at least in my opinion
Again, how can you say it's a waste? A happy worker is a productive worker. There's actually plenty of evidence to support that all over the Internet. It seems like this guy is happy at CIG and is proud of his work. Even if it increases his happiness a fraction of a percent, it's worthwhile. Moreover, if it helps to keep him happy at CIG it's certainly much, much, much more inexpensive than replacing talent. Why do you think Google is such an awesome place to work? Why do you think they give people a percentage of their time to work on side projects? I'm pretty sure I won't need an 8-bit version of Google Maps any time soon, but that's not what it's about, it's about keeping high performers happy and productive.
A happy worker is a productive worker I agree with. And yeah the guy who talked about the mural was pretty damn happy. What about the team of people who put it together? Was this a pet project for them like Google does or was this contracted out or time taken away from the game in order to work on it.
RSI can spend as much money as they want on anything they want when thy release a finished game and are bringing in a profit, at least in my opinion
I think he said that there were a few involved. So probably a pet project.
I definitely respect where you're coming from but, again, you can't run a sweatshop. It just doesn't work.
Companies DO buy such commercial coffee machines that are intended to produce a lot of coffee every day. They cost more than the machines people have at home for family use. The machine that CIG bought costs about as much as some of these machines usually cost.
So... it's true, that is a 16,000usd espresso machine at a CIG office in California, which has about 20 ( ? ) employees on any given day, and is evidence of spending malfeasance? or ?
I know you try to discredit or dismiss everything. Is this your way of saying I said something truthful?
edit: Also you seem really mad about the espresso machine.
So... it's true, that is a 16,000usd espresso machine at a CIG office in California, which has about 20 ( ? ) employees on any given day, and is evidence of spending malfeasance? or ?
I know you discredit or dismiss everything. Is this your way of saying I said something truthful?
I am in Austria. I have not been to the CIG Office in California yet. Have you ?
But i AM able to read the link you posted. Which tells me the price of those machines.
And i know where you got that link in the first place...
Companies DO buy such commercial coffee machines that are intended to produce a lot of coffee every day. They cost more than the machines people have at home for family use. The machine that CIG bought costs about as much as some of these machines usually cost.
So... it's true, that is a 16,000usd espresso machine at a CIG office in California, which has about 20 ( ? ) employees on any given day, and is evidence of spending malfeasance? or ?
I know you try to discredit or dismiss everything. Is this your way of saying I said something truthful?
edit: Also you seem really mad about the espresso machine.
$16,000 to buy? Wow that is expensive! Such a waste!!!
Although.....
20 people having 3 cups a day is 60 cups a day. 60 cups a day is 300 cups a week. 300 cups a week is 15,600 a year. 15,600 cups a year is 46,800 cups in a 3 year period (the period to write off the item).
So the average cost of the machine per cup is just over $0.34.
The average cup of coffee in the US is apparently $2.70 which means a saving of $2.36 per cup. Even if you add in the cost of the coffee, sugar, milk and a spoon (assuming buying a spoon isn't stretching the budget) it is still a cost effective machine and the staff should feel supported.
Oh, back to being angry.....
Damn you corporate types caring for your employee's well being and saving money at the same time!!!
The last place I worked at had atleast 100 employees in the office, not counting all the field employees and we had coffee pots and K-Cups
Sounds like a terrible place, I hope you quit. I've never worked for a company that expected an off the shelf machine to service 100 people. It would get clogged by the second day, and the coders would walk off the floor and hit starbucks instead of working.
Again though, we've been through all of this the last thread was closed because of it.
I didn't know there was another thread about it. How did the spin doctors legitimize it?
I doubt they did but it sure brings a laugh to the throat and a tear to the eye watching you guys squirm trying to blame the downfall of mankind on an expresso machine.
So... it's true, that is a 16,000usd espresso machine at a CIG office in California, which has about 20 ( ? ) employees on any given day, and is evidence of spending malfeasance? or ?
I know you try to discredit or dismiss everything. Is this your way of saying I said something truthful?
edit: Also you seem really mad about the espresso machine.
$16,000 to buy? Wow that is expensive! Such a waste!!!
Although.....
20 people having 3 cups a day is 60 cups a day. 60 cups a day is 300 cups a week. 300 cups a week is 15,600 a year. 15,600 cups a year is 46,800 cups in a 3 year period (the period to write off the item).
So the average cost of the machine per cup is just over $0.34.
The average cup of coffee in the US is apparently $2.70 which means a saving of $2.36 per cup. Even if you add in the cost of the coffee, sugar, milk and a spoon (assuming buying a spoon isn't stretching the budget) it is still a cost effective machine and the staff should feel supported.
Oh, back to being angry.....
Damn you corporate types caring for your employee's well being and saving money at the same time!!!
Oh ok then that is cool, as long as the employee's are paying it back with every cup they take so backers get the cash back for the development.
The last place I worked at had atleast 100 employees in the office, not counting all the field employees and we had coffee pots and K-Cups
Sounds like a terrible place, I hope you quit. I've never worked for a company that expected an off the shelf machine to service 100 people. It would get clogged by the second day, and the coders would walk off the floor and hit starbucks instead of working.
Again though, we've been through all of this the last thread was closed because of it.
I did leave but not because of coffee. And WTF man K-cups are the shit! So many flavors!
Oh ok then that is cool, as long as the employee's are paying it back with every cup they take so backers get the cash back for the development.
Yeah squeeze those employee's and deny them refreshments. That is what good companies do right?
NEWS FLASH....
Developer spotted using TWO monitors. TWO damn monitors...and not even the small ones!!!!
Can't they make a game without wasting money on extra screens!
There is no logical reason to buy a 16k coffee maker when you are only funded by backers that were promised the funds would only go for development.
Now if the employee's got together and bought it from there pay then that would be fine. If Roberts bought it out of his pay that would also be fine. Using backers money is a no on that. But what the heck really this is old and really nothing to see.
They are currently looking for backers so they can get more funding to attempt to at least finish SQ42. Roberts is trying to at least finish one of his promised games. Next few weeks should be very interesting.
The real question is, if they do fold who gets this 16k machine.
So... it's true, that is a 16,000usd espresso machine at a CIG office in California, which has about 20 ( ? ) employees on any given day, and is evidence of spending malfeasance? or ?
I know you try to discredit or dismiss everything. Is this your way of saying I said something truthful?
edit: Also you seem really mad about the espresso machine.
$16,000 to buy? Wow that is expensive! Such a waste!!!
Although.....
20 people having 3 cups a day is 60 cups a day. 60 cups a day is 300 cups a week. 300 cups a week is 15,600 a year. 15,600 cups a year is 46,800 cups in a 3 year period (the period to write off the item).
So the average cost of the machine per cup is just over $0.34.
The average cup of coffee in the US is apparently $2.70 which means a saving of $2.36 per cup. Even if you add in the cost of the coffee, sugar, milk and a spoon (assuming buying a spoon isn't stretching the budget) it is still a cost effective machine and the staff should feel supported.
Oh, back to being angry.....
Damn you corporate types caring for your employee's well being and saving money at the same time!!!
So are the employees throwing 2.50 into a jar every cup they take? If not then your rationale is ridiculous.
So... it's true, that is a 16,000usd espresso machine at a CIG office in California, which has about 20 ( ? ) employees on any given day, and is evidence of spending malfeasance? or ?
I know you try to discredit or dismiss everything. Is this your way of saying I said something truthful?
edit: Also you seem really mad about the espresso machine.
$16,000 to buy? Wow that is expensive! Such a waste!!!
Although.....
20 people having 3 cups a day is 60 cups a day. 60 cups a day is 300 cups a week. 300 cups a week is 15,600 a year. 15,600 cups a year is 46,800 cups in a 3 year period (the period to write off the item).
So the average cost of the machine per cup is just over $0.34.
The average cup of coffee in the US is apparently $2.70 which means a saving of $2.36 per cup. Even if you add in the cost of the coffee, sugar, milk and a spoon (assuming buying a spoon isn't stretching the budget) it is still a cost effective machine and the staff should feel supported.
Oh, back to being angry.....
Damn you corporate types caring for your employee's well being and saving money at the same time!!!
So are the employees throwing 2.50 into a jar every cup they take? If not then your rationale is ridiculous.
Sorry I forget you all work in shocking conditions where you don't get paid minimum wage, don't have paid holiday and your employee's are arses who treat you like dirt.
I must have had some pretty fucking awesome employers in my time because, even though I don't drink coffee, there were refreshments made available to staff at every place. Hell I have worked at 2 offices where the tea and coffee was free as well as the vending machine which meant my cans of diet coke were free.
Get out of those sweat shops and get a real job...or just stop getting all bent out of shape because someone gets free coffee while they work.
Edit.
And the point of my stupid sum (I pulled it out of my arse to show just how stupid this conversation is) was to show that the company is saving the employee's money if nothing else and seeing as those guys are making the game I think they fucking well DESERVE free coffee. I bought the game, spent my £25 so my vote is give the guys free coffee and screw the scrouge types who have no interest in the game anyway.
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Again, how can you say it's a waste? A happy worker is a productive worker. There's actually plenty of evidence to support that all over the Internet. It seems like this guy is happy at CIG and is proud of his work. Even if it increases his happiness a fraction of a percent, it's worthwhile. Moreover, if it helps to keep him happy at CIG it's certainly much, much, much more inexpensive than replacing talent. Why do you think Google is such an awesome place to work? Why do you think they give people a percentage of their time to work on side projects? I'm pretty sure I won't need an 8-bit version of Google Maps any time soon, but that's not what it's about, it's about keeping high performers happy and productive.
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RSI can spend as much money as they want on anything they want when thy release a finished game and are bringing in a profit, at least in my opinion
I think he said that there were a few involved. So probably a pet project.
I definitely respect where you're coming from but, again, you can't run a sweatshop. It just doesn't work.
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https://prima-coffee.com/equipment/la-marzocco/linea-3av?CAWELAID=&CAWELAID=530008000000001530&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=PLAS - All&utm_term=1100308764805&utm_content=PLAS - All
Coffee machines relate to wall decorations....how?
Companies DO buy such commercial coffee machines that are intended to produce a lot of coffee every day.
They cost more than the machines people have at home for family use.
The machine that CIG bought costs about as much as some of these machines usually cost.
As you can see if you click the same link that Adjuvant1 posted:
https://prima-coffee.com/brew/espresso/commercial
Has been discussed ad nauseum already.
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Have fun
I know you try to discredit or dismiss everything. Is this your way of saying I said something truthful?
edit: Also you seem really mad about the espresso machine.
But i AM able to read the link you posted. Which tells me the price of those machines.
And i know where you got that link in the first place...
BOOOORIIING
Have fun
edit: Ah, nm, it is on that page, 14,200. ok.
Although.....
20 people having 3 cups a day is 60 cups a day.
60 cups a day is 300 cups a week.
300 cups a week is 15,600 a year.
15,600 cups a year is 46,800 cups in a 3 year period (the period to write off the item).
So the average cost of the machine per cup is just over $0.34.
The average cup of coffee in the US is apparently $2.70 which means a saving of $2.36 per cup. Even if you add in the cost of the coffee, sugar, milk and a spoon (assuming buying a spoon isn't stretching the budget) it is still a cost effective machine and the staff should feel supported.
Oh, back to being angry.....
Damn you corporate types caring for your employee's well being and saving money at the same time!!!
Again though, we've been through all of this the last thread was closed because of it.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
NEWS FLASH....
Developer spotted using TWO monitors. TWO damn monitors...and not even the small ones!!!!
Can't they make a game without wasting money on extra screens!
Now if the employee's got together and bought it from there pay then that would be fine. If Roberts bought it out of his pay that would also be fine. Using backers money is a no on that. But what the heck really this is old and really nothing to see.
They are currently looking for backers so they can get more funding to attempt to at least finish SQ42. Roberts is trying to at least finish one of his promised games. Next few weeks should be very interesting.
The real question is, if they do fold who gets this 16k machine.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
A five hundred dollar expresso machine each year would probably work just as well. But that wouldn't be as flashy, and Roberts does like the flash.
However, as a coffee afficianado, I'd have to give it a gold star.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
I must have had some pretty fucking awesome employers in my time because, even though I don't drink coffee, there were refreshments made available to staff at every place. Hell I have worked at 2 offices where the tea and coffee was free as well as the vending machine which meant my cans of diet coke were free.
Get out of those sweat shops and get a real job...or just stop getting all bent out of shape because someone gets free coffee while they work.
Edit.
And the point of my stupid sum (I pulled it out of my arse to show just how stupid this conversation is) was to show that the company is saving the employee's money if nothing else and seeing as those guys are making the game I think they fucking well DESERVE free coffee. I bought the game, spent my £25 so my vote is give the guys free coffee and screw the scrouge types who have no interest in the game anyway.