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SWG now in the present.
Tacola
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I have seen a number of people returning, yesterday my friends list was off the page for the first time since NGE hit!! The expertise trees need to come out faster, but they are differently helping the game IMHO. The crafting is still the best of all the MMORPG. With the trader revamp coming torward the end of this year, crafted goods will be back on par with loot. I think the game has made great improvements since last november when the NGE bomb hit. There is still alot of bitterness about what happened there. I feel their pain, I was full template jedi when it hit. If you left right after NGE I would say give it a try. It has changed a great deal since Pre-CU, CU and NGE first came out. But with target lock back and expertise trees, my Jedi is again a powerhouse. I have lost to a Bounty Hunter, but I am a tough kill. And the crafting experimentation itself was enough to make me come back. Recent experiences in the game have me liking it again. NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PAST but the present. This is still a very fun game to play, again IMHO. PVP , PVE , Space and crafting all still are here, and of course abunch of lightsabers, lol.
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Why are you talking about Jedi this, Jedi that.
There are 9 professions, 7 of them playable, 2 viable. The fact that one of them can wield a LS is merely a coincidence which has something to do with Star Wars.
After 9 or so months, everyone should really accept that Jedi is only one of the titles. Nothing more. Bounty hunters aren't special anymore, since they hunt everyone.
No Jedi, not elder or newbie is special or worth mentioning. At most, they are like, I don't know, Paladin class. A noob class. Fancy gizmos, good defense, good offense. And nobody goes around screaming how great a game is because of Paladins.
Let it go, it's just one of the professions. Screaming about how great it is attracts the wrong crowds.
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Rekrul, what are you talking about. I am a jedi so I told it from that point of view. It is you that needs to let go of the pass. It is still a good and fun game. It is people like you that cant accept the fact that it is a GAME, and it is fun. Except for a few sour pusses that need to be over looked, such as youself.
Jedi and BH are the ones with expertise trees now, and I am a jedi. That is why they are mentioned. And yes Jedi is a startup profession now, get over it dog, and BH can hunt anyone that kills someone in PVP. Sooo did you have a point? Didnt think so. Every communtity has people that are griefers and you are being one now. As for the population, it has indeed increase on corbantis, at least from what my friends list and guild show. I just want people to try it and see for themselves and not take your or my word about it.
I seem to be seeing a lot more people on Naritus since I started a couple weeks ago. And the game is actually fun, to me anyway. Just my $.02
So true. Sometimes I get REALLY needy for a SciFi MMO fix and I think I want to try SWG. Then I remember the kicker: All servers are empty.
Before anyone goes spouting that they aren't empty...I started playing shortly after launch, nobody was master anything yet and I played until before the Combat "Upgrade" (when I quit my guild had one of about 2-4 Jedi on the server, so it was shortly after the player Jedi patch). I remember what a populated SWG server looked like very well, the current ghost town servers make me shudder.
The cool thing about SWG was it brought in a ton of non-gamers who just loved SW in general. I think that fact alone made it the best MMO community I have yet seen. I almost want to cry when I look at the WoW "community" forums where any question or comment is greeted with 1000: "learn2playnoob", "orly!!", etc. lol I still remember the early SWG flame wars: "You killed me in a cantina/med center! How dishonorable!" "You were flagged, stop killing my alliance brothers!"
I was thinking of coming back until I read that line. Give me a game where I dont have to buy armor/weapons from crafters and Im there.
You will have the choice of loot drops or crafted items. However, expect crafted to be better. Since crafting is an integral part of any good mmorpg, may I suggest that maybe you'd be better off with a regular online game such as Battlefield 2 or even a single player game.
I was thinking of coming back until I read that line. Give me a game where I dont have to buy armor/weapons from crafters and Im there.
Try Eve Online. You only have to buy ships and modules from crafters in that game.
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Nice try.
This is a bad attempt after just seeing the producing team tell us it's a failure.
THE PAST MAKES THE FUTURE OF THINGS... LISTEN, 9 months later and this is the best you can do? You need to sell this crap on the SOE boards, not on the boards with people who have common sense.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I was thinking of coming back until I read that line. Give me a game where I dont have to buy armor/weapons from crafters and Im there.
You are in luck... there are a hundred shitty games with no crafting. You should check one out. Actually, you might like a single player game more. That way you wont have to deal with other players at all. Just dump your cash back in to the NPCs.. that way, no one has to have fun but you, and all your cash just gets deleted when you spend it. That is what you are looking for, right?
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Nice try.
This is a bad attempt after just seeing the producing team tell us it's a failure.
THE PAST MAKES THE FUTURE OF THINGS... LISTEN, 9 months later and this is the best you can do? You need to sell this crap on the SOE boards, not on the boards with people who have common sense.
Don't listen to this troll Tacola. This troll can't let anyone have their own opinion in peace. If you look at his topic threads in his Bio, he mostly starts flame wars and goes out of his way to argue with people. Just ignore the troll.
Oh and Iskareot, I know you will respond to this, because you are a troll and you would never pass up a good time to flame someone, but I won't respond, because you are not worth arguing with anymore. So save your breathe and don't even bother responding.
Nice try.
This is a bad attempt after just seeing the producing team tell us it's a failure.
THE PAST MAKES THE FUTURE OF THINGS... LISTEN, 9 months later and this is the best you can do? You need to sell this crap on the SOE boards, not on the boards with people who have common sense.
You are correct iskareot, they did say NGE was a mistake, and it was. But the title of the thread is SWG now in the present. When NGE came out, armor was not working, there were no uniqueness in any class, they gave us no option for targeting but FPS. But now, 9 months later, there are expertise tree for 2 class in place, others are following, that are given uniqueness back to classes, they have given us an option of FPS or Target Lock. The actually combat now is like before, in that you really dont have to use the mouse at all if you choose not to. I played EVE, it is a great game. But the lack of experimentation in crafting, no ground combat and the fact that you dont aim your guns or really fly your ship made me come back to SWG.
In SWG you have Shipwrights that came take, say 7 certication lvl 7 guns, and turn them in a lvl 7 weapon that has all the best aspects of each, in other words a uber weapon. This is called reengineering and can be done on all the components, not just weapons. The ship customization is a huge part of SWG space. There are many different ships that each faction can use. The number you can use increases as you level up your piloting, which is a different level then your normal combat. And shipwrights make ships, a good SW can increase the mass of each ship type allowing you to use more powerful components that are in your certification level or below. There are truely endless combinations as to the weapons, reactor, shields, capacitors, droids, engines, etc.. And you fly your ship with a Joystick or Mouse, you aim you weapons and lock your missles to fire at enemies. This part of the game was not changed by NGE.
And other crafters make unqiue items depending on the qualities of resources, ie. Flameout a drink that adds to your constitution, stamina and agility made by one chef can be more powerful a buff than flameout made by another chef, depending on resources used and how the experiementation phrase goes. There is also experimentation in Armor and Weapon crafting, following the same lines as above. So even with the same resources used by two crafters can return different stats items depending on how the experimentation goes. And yes there are foods that help with assembly( pyorian cake) and experimentation (bestin port) also
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The whole purpose of this thread was for people to see the changes have increased the old player base and made the game closer to what it was. Sure I liked the sandbox of classes we had before, hybird classes and unlimited options we use to have. But that is gone now, we do have expertise trees rolling out which are alot like WOW skill trees. Not as good as the old way, but alot better than it was indeed. This allows some uniqueness in classes. If you like space combat, crafting, PVE and PVP then I would recommend tring this game. My friends list and guild are growing, but if the player base was to seriously jump up, the game would be a better place.
Well for what its worth.....
I am glad to see them trying to turn the game around and put it back the way it used to be. The biggest problem is how do they expect to draw players to it? With no new Star Wars movies to get people excited about it and no real advertising campaign to speak of how are they going to get the word out?
If they really want to impress the people who would want to play it then they will quit taking their sweet time about these changes and actually devote some time and money to getting all of these expertise trees implemented and crafting fixed.
Maybe they can use the Star Wars tv series they are supposedly working on to hype the game a bit. Do some commercials for SWG during each episode.
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while i think i may return to the game, unless they start rolling it back to cu,
or something really similar to it, i mean like exactly like it,
i won't consider it anywhere as good as it used to be.
i myself started playing right after the cu,(because thats when i heard about it and started to get into mmos.),
but in either case,
it may be a better game then when nge first came out,
but nge is and was total crap,
so its most likely a decent game now,
only reason ill end up going back is a few of me ex-guildies are, and its more of a social thing for me then an appreciation of this,
9 professions,
look i have a lightsaber(now worth nothing), pew-pew-pew,crap.))
one can only hope the game rolls back to cu(imho), opens a classic server..or dies..
after all its kinda painfull watching this game slowly die..lol.
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1. The mythical audience isn't there.
2. This game is unfixable. There's nothing they can do to overcome either the bad word-of-mouth or the hatred of the betrayed ex-players.
3. We'll never come back for ANY tweaked nge-based system. We loathe it. We're waiting for amateurs to build the game we loved back.
4. Did I mention there's no polishing that turd?
This is a case study in futility. They need to realize the nge players are all they have now, and the only way up is bringing us back to classic servers. There IS NO mythical untapped audience (except the console).
This game will NEVER improve no matter how much they "fix" it because it's already dead. They're just prettying up the corpse.
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It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
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However, I'll keep my complaining to a minimum. I'm somewhat glad to see the game reverting but honestly, it will never be as good as it was in my opinion. Personally, the thing that angered me most was when they really started breaking from the Star Wars saga. Jedi were too common after the "village" update and they made it x100 worse when they made them a class.
So yes, I'm adding to the stack of complaints a mile high about the NGE and the CU and all of SoEs screw ups...I don't hate SoE for making a good game like SWG...it's sad that they ruined it but oh well, the past is the past...let's just hope the game gets better and I may well return to the happy life of my little bothan on the Corbantis server.
1. The mythical audience isn't there.
2. This game is unfixable. There's nothing they can do to overcome either the bad word-of-mouth or the hatred of the betrayed ex-players.
3. We'll never come back for ANY tweaked nge-based system. We loathe it. We're waiting for amateurs to build the game we loved back.
4. Did I mention there's no polishing that turd?
This is a case study in futility. They need to realize the nge players are all they have now, and the only way up is bringing us back to classic servers. There IS NO mythical untapped audience (except the console).
This game will NEVER improve no matter how much they "fix" it because it's already dead. They're just prettying up the corpse.
This isnt true, several vets are here. My playing SWG doesnt mean I agree with NGE, it means it is just the funniest for me to play now. I dont like it better than CU, but I do like it better than EQ, EQ2, SOR, EVE, DDO, COH and COV. This is all it means.
These people won't understand that. I said the same thing a month ago when I resubbed and they just couldn't understand the concept of playing the game that is more fun on the market right now. The NGE is more fun than any game on the market, so I chose to resub a month ago to it, rather than playing nothing at all. These people would rather play nothing at all, than to play the NGE. So your words are lost on them.
But hey, I understand man. I recently quit SWG again, because it got old and boring quick after lvl 90. My friendslist while active when I resubbed, just about died near the end of the month. They played super casual (once a week about). I hope the community you are with stays active and that you continue to have fun. Best of luck.
1. The mythical audience isn't there.
2. This game is unfixable. There's nothing they can do to overcome either the bad word-of-mouth or the hatred of the betrayed ex-players.
3. We'll never come back for ANY tweaked nge-based system. We loathe it. We're waiting for amateurs to build the game we loved back.
4. Did I mention there's no polishing that turd?
This is a case study in futility. They need to realize the nge players are all they have now, and the only way up is bringing us back to classic servers. There IS NO mythical untapped audience (except the console).
This game will NEVER improve no matter how much they "fix" it because it's already dead. They're just prettying up the corpse.
This isnt true, several vets are here. My playing SWG doesnt mean I agree with NGE, it means it is just the funniest for me to play now. I dont like it better than CU, but I do like it better than EQ, EQ2, SOR, EVE, DDO, COH and COV. This is all it means.
Well after getting a email yesterday from Smedley himself saying he wishes he had not done this, if he had the chance would not do it again and now knows it is a mistake... is enough common sense to tell me this product is not worth .12 cents to play.
When the people that make it call it what we have for the last 10 months in one weeks time, I think it's safe to say the game is in the crapper.
Call me crazy here, but when the 3 exec team, Smedley, the old Creator of the game call it a "mistake" and for people to NOT do what they did... I think I would avoid the train wreck coming down that track..
There is not and will not be enough vets coming back, because once they see the game they loved still ripped into 1/8th of what it once was they will leave again.
One thing about SWG that it has done is give people alot of hope many times, so far 90% of them have been let down or misslead. I think it's safe to say most people leaving speaks above any ploy to try to get people back.
I believe in products before I buy them, I try to trust the seller and consider thier history as some value in purchasing that product.
If there was a car maker that said they have a product, BUT IT WAS A MISTAKE and for people to never do what they did... I'm sorry, I would avoid that care like a disease...
Especially when it is about 5 major execs including the president. Sorry, common sense and just plain self respect plays a role for some of us I'm sure.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Nice try.
This is a bad attempt after just seeing the producing team tell us it's a failure.
THE PAST MAKES THE FUTURE OF THINGS... LISTEN, 9 months later and this is the best you can do? You need to sell this crap on the SOE boards, not on the boards with people who have common sense.
Don't listen to this troll Tacola. This troll can't let anyone have their own opinion in peace. If you look at his topic threads in his Bio, he mostly starts flame wars and goes out of his way to argue with people. Just ignore the troll.
Oh and Iskareot, I know you will respond to this, because you are a troll and you would never pass up a good time to flame someone, but I won't respond, because you are not worth arguing with anymore. So save your breathe and don't even bother responding.
You are a funny little man, you really are.
USE THE "USER INFO" BUTTON FOR ALL THE QUESTIONS TO THE WORLD!!!!!
Again, common sense and self respect play a bigger role then just "going along with" a product sometimes.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
how is that boring? Were you ever in a guild? I used to have fun getting things for our crafters and getting good gear in return.