Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by BaronJuJu Tell you what, to make it fair, just post it here for all to see and read and make their own judgements about. I will take that info that you post and send Smed a letter to explain his comments to you and post the response on here. Deal? I eagerly await the posted letter.
Only a total jackass would post a private email on a public discussion forum. Private messages and emails are not public discussion meant for comment by anyone and everyone. They are directed comments made to an individual.
Even a dickhead like you should care about basic ethics.
No no man, no need for the defense. In this case, I may risk this and do it... listen, the last thing is that it's a suprise. I have nothing to hide nor would I need to.
You know what he has said, all he did was say it again to me. Pretty much nothing new or a suprise but this baron von ju ju guy has some sort of NGE fanism or some sort of "saving face because I am playing a game that even the execs say is a mistake" kinda of issue here.
Not sure, but since I have never seen this guy or heard of him before in the SOE boards or game itself , I have to think he is just some new guy that really does not want to look like a shmuck playing the NGE... who knows lol.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by BaronJuJu Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by BaronJuJu Tell you what, to make it fair, just post it here for all to see and read and make their own judgements about. I will take that info that you post and send Smed a letter to explain his comments to you and post the response on here. Deal? I eagerly await the posted letter.
Only a total jackass would post a private email on a public discussion forum. Private messages and emails are not public discussion meant for comment by anyone and everyone. They are directed comments made to an individual.
Even a dickhead like you should care about basic ethics.
Yet Iska did exactly that. He is the one who brought this claim to the discussion. I and others asked for proof and so far all I have seen are excuses.
Wait, before this thread your saying I said I would post his email? Um no I did not. Do not put text out there I did not use.
Now... now I will post it... just for you, just so you can do whatever you need to do with it.
Like I said, this by all means may dissapoint you. What he says only backs up what the others have said already. Like I stated before, this is nothing new or a suprise.
But you sure are Hell bent on it lol...
Don't forget sport, your the one playing the NGE... lol that alone makes you alot more funny then I am thats for sure.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
This isnt true, several vets are here. My playing SWG doesnt mean I agree with NGE, it means it is just the funniest for me to play now. I dont like it better than CU, but I do like it better than EQ, EQ2, SOR, EVE, DDO, COH and COV. This is all it means.
Well after getting a email yesterday from Smedley himself saying he wishes he had not done this, if he had the chance would not do it again and now knows it is a mistake... is enough common sense to tell me this product is not worth .12 cents to play.
When the people that make it call it what we have for the last 10 months in one weeks time, I think it's safe to say the game is in the crapper.
Call me crazy here, but when the 3 exec team, Smedley, the old Creator of the game call it a "mistake" and for people to NOT do what they did... I think I would avoid the train wreck coming down that track..
There is not and will not be enough vets coming back, because once they see the game they loved still ripped into 1/8th of what it once was they will leave again.
One thing about SWG that it has done is give people alot of hope many times, so far 90% of them have been let down or misslead. I think it's safe to say most people leaving speaks above any ploy to try to get people back.
I believe in products before I buy them, I try to trust the seller and consider thier history as some value in purchasing that product.
If there was a car maker that said they have a product, BUT IT WAS A MISTAKE and for people to never do what they did... I'm sorry, I would avoid that care like a disease...
Especially when it is about 5 major execs including the president. Sorry, common sense and just plain self respect plays a role for some of us I'm sure.
You are missing the point, no one is saying NGE was a hit or success, in the fact reverse is being said by everyone here and Smed.
The point is NGE brought linear classes, FPS targeting and armor bugs. To name a few of the things I saw as bad. That was the mistake Smed is talking about, he isnt calling the changes since the NGE a mistake. And those are what I am talking about.
The return of some class uniqueness with expertise trees, the return of Target Lock/ Auto fire while leaving the option for FPS if you like. The removal of armor restriction and now armor resist work. These are the things that put SWG back on top for me. Of course as I mentioned earlier, the space side of the game didnt change at all. So why dont you try the game and see what I am talking about. With the proper Keymap setup, I can target with tab, autofire with enter and use special actions from my numpad ( really anyway you want to set it up, this is just my config ). The combat is very similar to the old game now. Except there is alot more to do now, with new PVP zones and such.
So please dont presaude people with an incorrect interputation of what Smed and the boys said. Again they are saying the NGE was a mistake which we all agree. They are not saying the latest game changes are a mistake or the current path the game is on is a mistake.
Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by BaronJuJu Tell you what, to make it fair, just post it here for all to see and read and make their own judgements about. I will take that info that you post and send Smed a letter to explain his comments to you and post the response on here. Deal? I eagerly await the posted letter. Only a total jackass would post a private email on a public discussion forum. Private messages and emails are not public discussion meant for comment by anyone and everyone. They are directed comments made to an individual.Even a dickhead like you should care about basic ethics.
I agree totally Reachwind. As Isk says, there is nothing new about what he said, Smed has said it on numerous occasions, no surprise at all. Old news....
Personally, I think Ju-Ju or whatever his name is is upset that someone would actually have the nerve to say they've been in contact with Smed. Blasphemy from a non-believer!
Nothing new there either, Smed has always been known for answering emails if they are civilly written.
I really really wish I could come back, I've been having an aweful hankering to do so as of late. Lots of friends have told me they've gone back and actually find the game mildly enjoyable again, not near what they've had before but almost good enough to not puke all over the computer while playing it.
I sincerely miss the SWG days of old, when there was just plain community fun to be had in a game where I wasn't forced to go out killing and maming to do something. My favorite prof's were Master Tailor/Dancer and at some point ID. I was a crafter through and through but owed a small stake in a small club, it was silly amounts of fun.
A virtual life through and through when the real life, between school/work/boyfriends, was just crappy to deal with. I had the first large scale mat's extraction farm on my server, trading with people for plots and selling whatever I pulled up. The organization was rough sometimes but with the help of an amazing PA, my time couldn't not have been spent any better.
That's what I miss, when I can do that, when other players can do that again, I'll go back. Without a doubt.
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by BaronJuJu Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by BaronJuJu Tell you what, to make it fair, just post it here for all to see and read and make their own judgements about. I will take that info that you post and send Smed a letter to explain his comments to you and post the response on here. Deal? I eagerly await the posted letter.
Only a total jackass would post a private email on a public discussion forum. Private messages and emails are not public discussion meant for comment by anyone and everyone. They are directed comments made to an individual.
Even a dickhead like you should care about basic ethics.
Yet Iska did exactly that. He is the one who brought this claim to the discussion. I and others asked for proof and so far all I have seen are excuses.
Wait, before this thread your saying I said I would post his email? Um no I did not. Do not put text out there I did not use.
Now... now I will post it... just for you, just so you can do whatever you need to do with it.
Like I said, this by all means may dissapoint you. What he says only backs up what the others have said already. Like I stated before, this is nothing new or a suprise.
But you sure are Hell bent on it lol...
Don't forget sport, your the one playing the NGE... lol that alone makes you alot more funny then I am thats for sure.
What did you think was going to happen when you came here bragging about how you got an email from Smedley posting what he said. People would bow before you and believe what you had to say without wanting to see it for themsleves?
Originally posted by shae I really really wish I could come back, I've been having an aweful hankering to do so as of late. Lots of friends have told me they've gone back and actually find the game mildly enjoyable again, not near what they've had before but almost good enough to not puke all over the computer while playing it. I sincerely miss the SWG days of old, when there was just plain community fun to be had in a game where I wasn't forced to go out killing and maming to do something. My favorite prof's were Master Tailor/Dancer and at some point ID. I was a crafter through and through but owed a small stake in a small club, it was silly amounts of fun. A virtual life through and through when the real life, between school/work/boyfriends, was just crappy to deal with. I had the first large scale mat's extraction farm on my server, trading with people for plots and selling whatever I pulled up. The organization was rough sometimes but with the help of an amazing PA, my time couldn't not have been spent any better. That's what I miss, when I can do that, when other players can do that again, I'll go back. Without a doubt.
Umm, you aren't forced to go out killing now...
Nor do you ever have to deal with the combat system if you don't want to. I don't 90% of the time.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Umm, you aren't forced to go out killing now... Nor do you ever have to deal with the combat system if you don't want to. I don't 90% of the time.
Well there steps in with my inexperience on where the game stands right now, I'm pulling from what friends are telling me they are experiencing right now, differing forums and my own experience stepping into NGE now and then over the last 6 to 8 months. I'll be the first to stay, I'm fairly ignorant as to how it stands this very moment, sorry if I gave an impression otherwise.
From what I saw though, there really wasn't very much support for non-combat profs, or classes I suppose they are now. A dancer can still dance but is pretty much all an entertainer now, and you can't dance and be a crafter (trader now I guess???) which to me convolutes your options quite a bit to either being happy doing one and only only thing or creating an alt which in my perspective takes away from the experience I've had before.
But of course, if I'm wrong in those assumptions, by all means I'd love to be corrected.
Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by iskareot Now... now I will post it... just for you, just so you can do whatever you need to do with it.
It's bad form to post or forward a private conversation without consent.
Let Baron Von Dumbass get his own convsersation with the smedster.
As for the Baron.... If you are still unsure if SOE/LEC thinks the NGE change worked maybe you should read this before quietly rocking yourself to sleep.
What is up with you guys, NO ONE IS SAYING NGE WAS A GOOD THING, what this thread is about is the changes since, as mention like 3 times in this thread. Who said NGE was a success or even a good thing? The point I am tring to make is that everyone, including Smed and the boys know is wasnt a good thing, and now they are bringing back things that was had CU/Pre-CU. Like combat style.
And I have read the post about what they said. And they dont say the changes since or the current path is a mistake, Just the NGE. They made a mstake, admitted it was a mistake, and now are tring to get the game back in line. I quit for 8 months because of the NGE, they lost 8 months of payments from me. And they are losing lots from others. But getting back to the comparrison with games that are out there; Which MMO allows you to acutally control the flight of a spaceship with Joystick or Mouse and Target with crosshairs you targets, not EVE , SWG does, custom ships and all. Which MMORPG allows for ground and Space PVP and PVE and has an extensive crafting system. Hmm, the only one I know is SWG. Which games has all the before mentioned items and allows entertainers that play instruments and dance to buff and remove cloning sickness? Well again SWG is the only one I know. Please let me know if I have missed a MMORPG that has all this stuff, because I would surely give it a try.
If you had never played SWG and someone told you of a game that had all the above stuff would you try it? That is the place everyone that has never played SWG is it. So please dont let your bitterness keep others from tring it. If you cant get over the changes, I feel your pain, then dont play. I was full temp jedi, and NGE cost me alot of abilities and others lost their whole classes. That is a tough row to hoe.
I will be the first to say, I FLAMED NGE continously when it came it, to the point of cancelation. But when I came back to SWG, I looked at it as a NEW GAME. Once I stoped comparing it to pre-cu ( brief experience) and CU, then I started to like it. Again for the 18000 time, I am not saying it is better than pre-CU or CU, I am saying it is better than the other MMO's I have played, and I listed them eariler, there are alot of them.
Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by iskareot Now... now I will post it... just for you, just so you can do whatever you need to do with it.
It's bad form to post or forward a private conversation without consent.
Let Baron Von Dumbass get his own convsersation with the smedster.
As for the Baron.... If you are still unsure if SOE/LEC thinks the NGE change worked maybe you should read this before quietly rocking yourself to sleep.
I agree with you but in this case, I feel this kid needs to see somthing, like I said it is nothing new or a suprise.
As it stands, we told him and warned him... now he wishes different.
Baron Ju ju --
Reach -- thanks, I know you mean well and so do I, but since this is the first person questioning my credibility I think he just needs this to move on. (As small as it is and yet nothing new)...
HERE IS THE CURRENT portion I will post, not all of the context we have had... this way, he gets what he needs and maybe it's enough. Sometimes people need to see, hear , read things before the believe it... so be it. I mean look at what the execs said...about the game, I mean crap. IF that is not a slap in the face that says HEY THIS IS A MISTAKE YOUR IN IT AND WE ARE RIDING IT OUT.. then I don't know what does:
Here ya go Barron --
This part was sent to him from his Blog comments on Michael Pachters comments, in case you do not know who he is.. then look it up, I don't have the time to educate you on who is who in the MMO world or reporting etc..
(Understand the order due to the reply, it is backwards)-- Note: I am not ashamed of my comments, I have been direct with him since the start of this and if you knew anything then you know why I chose that method.
Here ya go -- also with all the credits with email servers, screenshots, not photoshoped for you people that do not know how to see that. Also is the screenshot and time on the mail server it came.
(I figure you need this all, lol since you seem to need it) -- In a way I know this won't change anything the NGE fanbois do, but seeing their almighty leader say he regrets it even in emails sent to each and every person he wishes he had not done this.... You can only spin so far guys, only so far.
Here ya go... cause you know, I would hate for you to worry about me...lol
Actually I've repeatedly said I wouldn't make the same decision again.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael -XXXXXXXXX <XXXXXXX@ameritech.net>
To: Smedley, John <jsmedley@soe.sony.com>
Sent: Tue Sep 12 12:12:06 2006
Subject: On Michael Pachters comments..
Since you seem to be able to look at his comments and say you dissagree, can you not debate the NGE and your ideas and failed concept and backing of that idea?
Some of us would really like to see what your input is now that most of your team has said or spoke of what the truth is.
I rather you see you say this was a mistake like they did. I still feel you did not listen to us, did not heed our warning of what would happen to the player base for SWG and now it shows.
I have never seen somthing go so wrong in game actually and this is now being compared to E.T. for the Atari 2600. (which is bad)
I would like to see a real debate, not a fake one or pre- questioned one.
Or at least someone taking responsibility for this mess.
After all of this time I think we deserve it as the old player base you kicked to the curb. The NGE was a mistake plain and simple.
Actually I've repeatedly said I wouldn't make the same decision again.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael -XXXXXXXXX <XXXXXXX@ameritech.net>
To: Smedley, John <jsmedley@soe.sony.com>
Sent: Tue Sep 12 12:12:06 2006
Subject: On Michael Pachters comments..
Since you seem to be able to look at his comments and say you dissagree, can you not debate the NGE and your ideas and failed concept and backing of that idea?
Some of us would really like to see what your input is now that most of your team has said or spoke of what the truth is.
I rather you see you say this was a mistake like they did. I still feel you did not listen to us, did not heed our warning of what would happen to the player base for SWG and now it shows.
I have never seen somthing go so wrong in game actually and this is now being compared to E.T. for the Atari 2600. (which is bad)
I would like to see a real debate, not a fake one or pre- questioned one.
Or at least someone taking responsibility for this mess.
After all of this time I think we deserve it as the old player base you kicked to the curb. The NGE was a mistake plain and simple.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by iskareot Now... now I will post it... just for you, just so you can do whatever you need to do with it.
It's bad form to post or forward a private conversation without consent.
Let Baron Von Dumbass get his own convsersation with the smedster.
As for the Baron.... If you are still unsure if SOE/LEC thinks the NGE change worked maybe you should read this before quietly rocking yourself to sleep.
What is up with you guys, NO ONE IS SAYING NGE WAS A GOOD THING, what this thread is about is the changes since, as mention like 3 times in this thread. Who said NGE was a success or even a good thing? The point I am tring to make is that everyone, including Smed and the boys know is wasnt a good thing, and now they are bringing back things that was had CU/Pre-CU. Like combat style.
And I have read the post about what they said. And they dont say the changes since or the current path is a mistake, Just the NGE. They made a mstake, admitted it was a mistake, and now are tring to get the game back in line. I quit for 8 months because of the NGE, they lost 8 months of payments from me. And they are losing lots from others. But getting back to the comparrison with games that are out there; Which MMO allows you to acutally control the flight of a spaceship with Joystick or Mouse and Target with crosshairs you targets, not EVE , SWG does, custom ships and all. Which MMORPG allows for ground and Space PVP and PVE and has an extensive crafting system. Hmm, the only one I know is SWG. Which games has all the before mentioned items and allows entertainers that play instruments and dance to buff and remove cloning sickness? Well again SWG is the only one I know. Please let me know if I have missed a MMORPG that has all this stuff, because I would surely give it a try.
If you had never played SWG and someone told you of a game that had all the above stuff would you try it? That is the place everyone that has never played SWG is it. So please dont let your bitterness keep others from tring it. If you cant get over the changes, I feel your pain, then dont play. I was full temp jedi, and NGE cost me alot of abilities and others lost their whole classes. That is a tough row to hoe.
I will be the first to say, I FLAMED NGE continously when it came it, to the point of cancelation. But when I came back to SWG, I looked at it as a NEW GAME. Once I stoped comparing it to pre-cu ( brief experience) and CU, then I started to like it. Again for the 18000 time, I am not saying it is better than pre-CU or CU, I am saying it is better than the other MMO's I have played, and I listed them eariler, there are alot of them.
I understand what you are saying but listen, they do not need to "bring back" anything.
Nothing is the same, and for them to even get to 1/4 of what it was will take 3 or 4 more years.
Sorry, a classic server is the only fix and I do not know if this would help now.
See, support is a factor and lets face it... this one is not a promotional game now. As a invester just by reading what the people in charge said would be enough for me to walk away from this.
Wasted time now more or less.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Reachwind Tacola if you enjoy sticking your hand in a blender because you happen to like daiquiris that's your thing. I am not interested in what you like or dislike. I responded to the topic of discussion that interested me in this thread and sorry to say, it wasn't yours.
Just because you started this thread doesn't mean you get the right to play forum police with it. It's been hijacked. Deal with it.
Lol, man what I was saying is that you are misrepresenting the statement made by Smed. He didnt say the games was doomed and he didnt say the game is on the wrong path. I bet you are one of those that said "They should just admitted the made a mistake and fix it", well now they have admitted it and are tring to fix it, but hey that is still not enough.
My point is that your respentation of the smed post about NGE amounts to lying. And that is what I am calling you out on. And you cant prove it wrong or even come up with a valid point. All you can say is basically I can post what I want. And you are right, no matter how irrelavent it is.
Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by Reachwind Tacola if you enjoy sticking your hand in a blender because you happen to like daiquiris that's your thing. I am not interested in what you like or dislike. I responded to the topic of discussion that interested me in this thread and sorry to say, it wasn't yours.
Just because you started this thread doesn't mean you get the right to play forum police with it. It's been hijacked. Deal with it.
Lol, man what I was saying is that you are misrepresenting the statement made by Smed. He didnt say the games was doomed and he didnt say the game is on the wrong path. I bet you are one of those that said "They should just admitted the made a mistake and fix it", well now they have admitted it and are tring to fix it, but hey that is still not enough.
My point is that your respentation of the smed post about NGE amounts to lying. And that is what I am calling you out on. And you cant prove it wrong or even come up with a valid point. All you can say is basically I can post what I want. And you are right, no matter how irrelavent it is.
So wait a minute... Smedley saying if he could do this all over again he woudn't is ok?
Look, no matter what they do now, no matter what they say now will not undo this. Not only was it a mistake from the start BUT IT STILL IS...Look, you do not make comments like (DO NOT MAKE OUR MISTAKES) if your doing will with a product, YOU DO NOT SAY "I wish we did not do this" no matter how many ways you spin this and try to make it all good now.
I think your missing this... SMED WISHES THIS NEVER HAPPEND TRUST ME I HAVE READ IT... with that said, it was a mistake and is -- not like it's some winning game version or well taken in.
Look, with several execs and SOE themselves saying this was a mistake and should not have been done by the president is enough for me to look at and use common sense as the product itself as a failure.
If this was a success, then use your common sense and ask yourself would they call it a failure or a mistake???
Lol, nope they would be running with all the good reviews and awards and posting the crap out of them...
Not some Webby award for the website looking good only....lol I mean come on... .
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by iskareot Now... now I will post it... just for you, just so you can do whatever you need to do with it.
It's bad form to post or forward a private conversation without consent.
Let Baron Von Dumbass get his own convsersation with the smedster.
As for the Baron.... If you are still unsure if SOE/LEC thinks the NGE change worked maybe you should read this before quietly rocking yourself to sleep.
What is up with you guys, NO ONE IS SAYING NGE WAS A GOOD THING, what this thread is about is the changes since, as mention like 3 times in this thread. Who said NGE was a success or even a good thing? The point I am tring to make is that everyone, including Smed and the boys know is wasnt a good thing, and now they are bringing back things that was had CU/Pre-CU. Like combat style.
And I have read the post about what they said. And they dont say the changes since or the current path is a mistake, Just the NGE. They made a mstake, admitted it was a mistake, and now are tring to get the game back in line. I quit for 8 months because of the NGE, they lost 8 months of payments from me. And they are losing lots from others. But getting back to the comparrison with games that are out there; Which MMO allows you to acutally control the flight of a spaceship with Joystick or Mouse and Target with crosshairs you targets, not EVE , SWG does, custom ships and all. Which MMORPG allows for ground and Space PVP and PVE and has an extensive crafting system. Hmm, the only one I know is SWG. Which games has all the before mentioned items and allows entertainers that play instruments and dance to buff and remove cloning sickness? Well again SWG is the only one I know. Please let me know if I have missed a MMORPG that has all this stuff, because I would surely give it a try.
If you had never played SWG and someone told you of a game that had all the above stuff would you try it? That is the place everyone that has never played SWG is it. So please dont let your bitterness keep others from tring it. If you cant get over the changes, I feel your pain, then dont play. I was full temp jedi, and NGE cost me alot of abilities and others lost their whole classes. That is a tough row to hoe.
I will be the first to say, I FLAMED NGE continously when it came it, to the point of cancelation. But when I came back to SWG, I looked at it as a NEW GAME. Once I stoped comparing it to pre-cu ( brief experience) and CU, then I started to like it. Again for the 18000 time, I am not saying it is better than pre-CU or CU, I am saying it is better than the other MMO's I have played, and I listed them eariler, there are alot of them.
I understand what you are saying but listen, they do not need to "bring back" anything.
Nothing is the same, and for them to even get to 1/4 of what it was will take 3 or 4 more years.
Sorry, a classic server is the only fix and I do not know if this would help now.
See, support is a factor and lets face it... this one is not a promotional game now. As a invester just by reading what the people in charge said would be enough for me to walk away from this.
Wasted time now more or less.
They have already brought back Target lock/Auto fire and some uniqueness in class, so you cant say they arent bringing anything back, because they have. And in the trader revamp, it amouts to bringing back CA/AA's. So again that is something from the passed. And just asking, which game do you play now this is not a waste of time? A game is just that a pass time. Something to pass the time. In the end all the MMORPGs of today will go away, so the wasted time angle could apply to any game you play. Eventually it will be a waste of time.
Everyone that knows SWG knows the bad that happen, pre-cu guys left or got mad about CU, CU left or got mad about NGE (me being one of them), what I am saying is lets tell it like it is. Dont let your hatred for SOE cause you to distort the truth. And anyone that has not played the game in months really doesnt know what is going on there. I have played and expressed my opinion.
The really question is which current MMO offers more playable options, considering combat as only one option. I just read the post here and thought, these people arent in game now, they couldnt be saying all these things, because they werent true. Not saying you personelly, but some just but care if what they say is true, they just want to hurt SOE as they are hurt. Eye for an Eye so to speak. I am not sure that is a construtive way to approach any topic.
Originally posted by shae Originally posted by Fadeus Umm, you aren't forced to go out killing now... Nor do you ever have to deal with the combat system if you don't want to. I don't 90% of the time.Well there steps in with my inexperience on where the game stands right now, I'm pulling from what friends are telling me they are experiencing right now, differing forums and my own experience stepping into NGE now and then over the last 6 to 8 months. I'll be the first to stay, I'm fairly ignorant as to how it stands this very moment, sorry if I gave an impression otherwise. From what I saw though, there really wasn't very much support for non-combat profs, or classes I suppose they are now. A dancer can still dance but is pretty much all an entertainer now, and you can't dance and be a crafter (trader now I guess???) which to me convolutes your options quite a bit to either being happy doing one and only only thing or creating an alt which in my perspective takes away from the experience I've had before. But of course, if I'm wrong in those assumptions, by all means I'd love to be corrected.
No you can't do both anymore. You do get a second toon per server now though. I have 3 traders and 3 combatants at the moment. I spend alot of time surveying and resourcing. At the moment I mostly only craft for myself but I do make fair bit of money on chassis and ship components.
Crafters no longer agro unless it's an elite mob with the <> around their name. So you don't have to deal with the trash on the planet while out resourcing.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
No you can't do both anymore. You do get a second toon per server now though. I have 3 traders and 3 combatants at the moment. I spend alot of time surveying and resourcing. At the moment I mostly only craft for myself but I do make fair bit of money on chassis and ship components. Crafters no longer agro unless it's an elite mob with the <> around their name. So you don't have to deal with the trash on the planet while out resourcing.
See that's interesting and someting I defanitely did not know. Question though, are Entertainers dealt with in the same way?
But again, unfortunately, I just have a hard time with having to create a new character to just be allowed to do more then one thing. Maybe most would dissagree but for me, one of SWG of old greatest strength was the flexibility in what one person could become and how that reflected each person/character.
Just seems a little distracting to be constently switching between characters to just do something different. But like I said, that's probably just a nitpick of mine and mine alone, I'm sure most people are fine with it and I'm being a baby about a small point.
Originally posted by Tacola They have already brought back Target lock/Auto fire and some uniqueness in class, so you cant say they arent bringing anything back, because they have. And in the trader revamp, it amouts to bringing back CA/AA's. So again that is something from the passed.
Actually... They didn't bring back any old features they coded new ones that aren't remotely like what they are meant to imitate.
The class enhancements are based on the Diablo 2 skill system, not the old SWG skill system. They completely miss the mark as far as duplicating anything even remotely like SWG's profession system. You can't add entertainer skills to your bounty hunter or trader. You can't add smuggler skills to your jedi, entertainer or trader. Basically all you can do is chose which attacks or defenses you get on your combat character.
The trader revamp as discussed so far looks to be nothing more than a stripped down version of what was already in place. The only reason a revamp is needed right now is because the system that launched was bypassed in favor of a kill, loot and repeat playstyle that was neither asked for or wanted by the players. Rather than fix the actual problem (a player based crafting system needs a sustainable player economy that is not loot > crafted based) they are throwing the bandaid fix of allowing loot to be improved via crafters. In otherwords changing crafters from those who create items into those who enhance items.
This is a different game. A game that isn't as good. End of story.
Originally posted by shae Originally posted by Fadeus No you can't do both anymore. You do get a second toon per server now though. I have 3 traders and 3 combatants at the moment. I spend alot of time surveying and resourcing. At the moment I mostly only craft for myself but I do make fair bit of money on chassis and ship components. Crafters no longer agro unless it's an elite mob with the <> around their name. So you don't have to deal with the trash on the planet while out resourcing.See that's interesting and someting I defanitely did not know. Question though, are Entertainers dealt with in the same way? But again, unfortunately, I just have a hard time with having to create a new character to just be allowed to do more then one thing. Maybe most would dissagree but for me, one of SWG of old greatest strength was the flexibility in what one person could become and how that reflected each person/character. Just seems a little distracting to be constently switching between characters to just do something different. But like I said, that's probably just a nitpick of mine and mine alone, I'm sure most people are fine with it and I'm being a baby about a small point.
I BELEIVE dancers are the sme way but I can't confirm that. And yes it sucks being hard coded to one thing. I just don't even worry about that part and just live in a star wars universe and have fun where I find it.
You do get unlimited respecs though now, without having to regrind. It just costs you each time you do. So you can change around alittle when you want.
- Scaris
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Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by iskareot Now... now I will post it... just for you, just so you can do whatever you need to do with it.
It's bad form to post or forward a private conversation without consent.
Let Baron Von Dumbass get his own convsersation with the smedster.
As for the Baron.... If you are still unsure if SOE/LEC thinks the NGE change worked maybe you should read this before quietly rocking yourself to sleep.
What is up with you guys, NO ONE IS SAYING NGE WAS A GOOD THING, what this thread is about is the changes since, as mention like 3 times in this thread. Who said NGE was a success or even a good thing? The point I am tring to make is that everyone, including Smed and the boys know is wasnt a good thing, and now they are bringing back things that was had CU/Pre-CU. Like combat style.
And I have read the post about what they said. And they dont say the changes since or the current path is a mistake, Just the NGE. They made a mstake, admitted it was a mistake, and now are tring to get the game back in line. I quit for 8 months because of the NGE, they lost 8 months of payments from me. And they are losing lots from others. But getting back to the comparrison with games that are out there; Which MMO allows you to acutally control the flight of a spaceship with Joystick or Mouse and Target with crosshairs you targets, not EVE , SWG does, custom ships and all. Which MMORPG allows for ground and Space PVP and PVE and has an extensive crafting system. Hmm, the only one I know is SWG. Which games has all the before mentioned items and allows entertainers that play instruments and dance to buff and remove cloning sickness? Well again SWG is the only one I know. Please let me know if I have missed a MMORPG that has all this stuff, because I would surely give it a try.
If you had never played SWG and someone told you of a game that had all the above stuff would you try it? That is the place everyone that has never played SWG is it. So please dont let your bitterness keep others from tring it. If you cant get over the changes, I feel your pain, then dont play. I was full temp jedi, and NGE cost me alot of abilities and others lost their whole classes. That is a tough row to hoe.
I will be the first to say, I FLAMED NGE continously when it came it, to the point of cancelation. But when I came back to SWG, I looked at it as a NEW GAME. Once I stoped comparing it to pre-cu ( brief experience) and CU, then I started to like it. Again for the 18000 time, I am not saying it is better than pre-CU or CU, I am saying it is better than the other MMO's I have played, and I listed them eariler, there are alot of them.
I understand what you are saying but listen, they do not need to "bring back" anything.
Nothing is the same, and for them to even get to 1/4 of what it was will take 3 or 4 more years.
Sorry, a classic server is the only fix and I do not know if this would help now.
See, support is a factor and lets face it... this one is not a promotional game now. As a invester just by reading what the people in charge said would be enough for me to walk away from this.
Wasted time now more or less.
They have already brought back Target lock/Auto fire and some uniqueness in class, so you cant say they arent bringing anything back, because they have. And in the trader revamp, it amouts to bringing back CA/AA's. So again that is something from the passed. And just asking, which game do you play now this is not a waste of time? A game is just that a pass time. Something to pass the time. In the end all the MMORPGs of today will go away, so the wasted time angle could apply to any game you play. Eventually it will be a waste of time.
Everyone that knows SWG knows the bad that happen, pre-cu guys left or got mad about CU, CU left or got mad about NGE (me being one of them), what I am saying is lets tell it like it is. Dont let your hatred for SOE cause you to distort the truth. And anyone that has not played the game in months really doesnt know what is going on there. I have played and expressed my opinion.
The really question is which current MMO offers more playable options, considering combat as only one option. I just read the post here and thought, these people arent in game now, they couldnt be saying all these things, because they werent true. Not saying you personelly, but some just but care if what they say is true, they just want to hurt SOE as they are hurt. Eye for an Eye so to speak. I am not sure that is a construtive way to approach any topic.
Ok you have a few things flawed: If you are going to say bring back then be detailed.
Lets start with your Target Lock -- NOW THEN, this is not the same as it was before -- so actually it is not "brought back" in fact this is not the same at all period. Autofire is somewhat ok other then IT's not the same combat at all.. so ok the autofire still goes "boom boom boom" other then that, that would be it.
It is NOT the same combat, not the same method, skills, or ANIMATIONS at all, it is not the same actions nor is it the same tatics needed to survive or even close. It is still a bad laggy FPS that is trying to be BOTH now due to people asking for things so badly. NOW let's go further...
DID YOU KNOW THE DEVS THOUGHT THE CA's and AA's were in the game up until the Summit meetings? Did you know that they did not even know they were broke until the players brought it up??? Did you know that Helios wanted to remove crafting from the game altogether?
Listen I played the game from Beta 2 until the NGE and spot checked since then with accounts.. I can safely tell you that 10 months later this is NOT BRINGING THE GAME BACK... it is a bastardized version of somthing we once all loved. NOT some new and exciting working game, NOPE .. this is a hacked up version that the CREATORS AND MAKERS wish they never did and consider it a mistake.
By all means, this is not a good game.. so while you claim we are (lying) I think you really need to look around, read some of the things the Execs have said and use some common sense. What your seeing 10 MONTHS LATER is less then half the population, little diversity and only this was made because people bitched about it... with 9 classes and 0 risk factor in the game that not only is this a joke and known for it now, but even thier own support team and the people that should be promoting the game don't because of this.
My God, it was said before.. if this was a car company people would be dead.
This is not a MMO compare day... this is call SWG what it is.. and what it turned into... in the striving for the magical player base... a failure plain and simple.
I agree with them and hope people learn from this mistake though, in the end that is the only good that can come from this.
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A friend of mine resubbed to try it out. He hadn't played at all during the NGE. He was like "Hey you should resub too, it sounds like it's back to the CU"
"Yeah...sounds like"
I was leaving town when he was subscribing...I told him that if he was still playing and enjoying it in 2 weeks (when I got back in town) that I would resub and start playing with him.
I came back 2 weeks later and guess what game he wasn't playing?
SOE/LA/SWG have totally blown it. There really is no coming back. The best thing they can do is to leech off the project that we can't talk about here and attempt to get some of their previous playerbase back.
I know that it will take PreNGE gameplay to get back me and virtually everyone that I knew that played in SWG and it seems like thats a pretty common theme. The longer they stall, the steeper the demands from the previous community. It's all but over now.
Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by Tacola They have already brought back Target lock/Auto fire and some uniqueness in class, so you cant say they arent bringing anything back, because they have. And in the trader revamp, it amouts to bringing back CA/AA's. So again that is something from the passed.
Actually... They didn't bring back any old features they coded new ones that aren't remotely like what they are meant to imitate.
The class enhancements are based on the Diablo 2 skill system, not the old SWG skill system. They completely miss the mark as far as duplicating anything even remotely like SWG's profession system. You can't add entertainer skills to your bounty hunter or trader. You can't add smuggler skills to your jedi, entertainer or trader. Basically all you can do is chose which attacks or defenses you get on your combat character.
The trader revamp as discussed so far looks to be nothing more than a stripped down version of what was already in place. The only reason a revamp is needed right now is because the system that launched was bypassed in favor of a kill, loot and repeat playstyle that was neither asked for or wanted by the players. Rather than fix the actual problem (a player based crafting system needs a sustainable player economy that is not loot > crafted based) they are throwing the bandaid fix of allowing loot to be improved via crafters. In otherwords changing crafters from those who create items into those who enhance items.
This is a different game. A game that isn't as good. End of story.
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones?
You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
Originally posted by SODAofBRIA A friend of mine resubbed to try it out. He hadn't played at all during the NGE. He was like "Hey you should resub too, it sounds like it's back to the CU"
"Yeah...sounds like" I was leaving town when he was subscribing...I told him that if he was still playing and enjoying it in 2 weeks (when I got back in town) that I would resub and start playing with him. I came back 2 weeks later and guess what game he wasn't playing? SOE/LA/SWG have totally blown it. There really is no coming back. The best thing they can do is to leech off the project that we can't talk about here and attempt to get some of their previous playerbase back.
I know that it will take PreNGE gameplay to get back me and virtually everyone that I knew that played in SWG and it seems like thats a pretty common theme. The longer they stall, the steeper the demands from the previous community. It's all but over now.
HEY POP, yeah so I got called out on my credibility by this Baron Von ju ju bee guy...lol
HOW ARE YA?
Hope your well man... CCF FTW... I have those shots somewhere of us giving those white wooks Hell that day lol..
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Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by Tacola They have already brought back Target lock/Auto fire and some uniqueness in class, so you cant say they arent bringing anything back, because they have. And in the trader revamp, it amouts to bringing back CA/AA's. So again that is something from the passed.
Actually... They didn't bring back any old features they coded new ones that aren't remotely like what they are meant to imitate.
The class enhancements are based on the Diablo 2 skill system, not the old SWG skill system. They completely miss the mark as far as duplicating anything even remotely like SWG's profession system. You can't add entertainer skills to your bounty hunter or trader. You can't add smuggler skills to your jedi, entertainer or trader. Basically all you can do is chose which attacks or defenses you get on your combat character.
The trader revamp as discussed so far looks to be nothing more than a stripped down version of what was already in place. The only reason a revamp is needed right now is because the system that launched was bypassed in favor of a kill, loot and repeat playstyle that was neither asked for or wanted by the players. Rather than fix the actual problem (a player based crafting system needs a sustainable player economy that is not loot > crafted based) they are throwing the bandaid fix of allowing loot to be improved via crafters. In otherwords changing crafters from those who create items into those who enhance items.
This is a different game. A game that isn't as good. End of story.
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones?
You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
10 months later and your making this sound like some great deal... after all the lies, missleadings and crap that has failed based on track record and you are actually trying to sell this crap?
FUNCTIONALITY???? I logged in not that LONG AGO AND HIT FORCE RUN AND AGROED A ENTIRE CITY????? W T F???? If you click to fast while trying to get on or off a BIKE YOU HEAR A CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK??? and it feels as smooth as rubbing your face on sandpaper.
How about the great function of moving stuff in your house? OR what happend to just the animations themselves... nothing more just the animations..
10 months later it is worse then before, 10 months later with less then 1/3 of the player base, and classes to worry about this is still a mistake.. 10 months later and your NOW trying to convience people the game is OK??? Are you freaking kidding me?
Look, I know you may mean well but man some people have common sense, they really do, they read, they learn, they base things on history, experience and word of mouth.
Sorry, but I will choose to believe what the president of the company that made the game told me and stay far freaking away from this "mistake" or product "he wished he did not make"..... thank you.
I just hope others have the sense to do the same.
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Even a dickhead like you should care about basic ethics.
No no man, no need for the defense. In this case, I may risk this and do it... listen, the last thing is that it's a suprise. I have nothing to hide nor would I need to.
You know what he has said, all he did was say it again to me. Pretty much nothing new or a suprise but this baron von ju ju guy has some sort of NGE fanism or some sort of "saving face because I am playing a game that even the execs say is a mistake" kinda of issue here.
Not sure, but since I have never seen this guy or heard of him before in the SOE boards or game itself , I have to think he is just some new guy that really does not want to look like a shmuck playing the NGE... who knows lol.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Even a dickhead like you should care about basic ethics.
Yet Iska did exactly that. He is the one who brought this claim to the discussion. I and others asked for proof and so far all I have seen are excuses.
Wait, before this thread your saying I said I would post his email? Um no I did not. Do not put text out there I did not use.
Now... now I will post it... just for you, just so you can do whatever you need to do with it.
Like I said, this by all means may dissapoint you. What he says only backs up what the others have said already. Like I stated before, this is nothing new or a suprise.
But you sure are Hell bent on it lol...
Don't forget sport, your the one playing the NGE... lol that alone makes you alot more funny then I am thats for sure.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Well after getting a email yesterday from Smedley himself saying he wishes he had not done this, if he had the chance would not do it again and now knows it is a mistake... is enough common sense to tell me this product is not worth .12 cents to play.
When the people that make it call it what we have for the last 10 months in one weeks time, I think it's safe to say the game is in the crapper.
Call me crazy here, but when the 3 exec team, Smedley, the old Creator of the game call it a "mistake" and for people to NOT do what they did... I think I would avoid the train wreck coming down that track..
There is not and will not be enough vets coming back, because once they see the game they loved still ripped into 1/8th of what it once was they will leave again.
One thing about SWG that it has done is give people alot of hope many times, so far 90% of them have been let down or misslead. I think it's safe to say most people leaving speaks above any ploy to try to get people back.
I believe in products before I buy them, I try to trust the seller and consider thier history as some value in purchasing that product.
If there was a car maker that said they have a product, BUT IT WAS A MISTAKE and for people to never do what they did... I'm sorry, I would avoid that care like a disease...
Especially when it is about 5 major execs including the president. Sorry, common sense and just plain self respect plays a role for some of us I'm sure.
You are missing the point, no one is saying NGE was a hit or success, in the fact reverse is being said by everyone here and Smed.
The point is NGE brought linear classes, FPS targeting and armor bugs. To name a few of the things I saw as bad. That was the mistake Smed is talking about, he isnt calling the changes since the NGE a mistake. And those are what I am talking about.
The return of some class uniqueness with expertise trees, the return of Target Lock/ Auto fire while leaving the option for FPS if you like. The removal of armor restriction and now armor resist work. These are the things that put SWG back on top for me. Of course as I mentioned earlier, the space side of the game didnt change at all. So why dont you try the game and see what I am talking about. With the proper Keymap setup, I can target with tab, autofire with enter and use special actions from my numpad ( really anyway you want to set it up, this is just my config ). The combat is very similar to the old game now. Except there is alot more to do now, with new PVP zones and such.
So please dont presaude people with an incorrect interputation of what Smed and the boys said. Again they are saying the NGE was a mistake which we all agree. They are not saying the latest game changes are a mistake or the current path the game is on is a mistake.
I agree totally Reachwind. As Isk says, there is nothing new about what he said, Smed has said it on numerous occasions, no surprise at all. Old news....
Personally, I think Ju-Ju or whatever his name is is upset that someone would actually have the nerve to say they've been in contact with Smed. Blasphemy from a non-believer!
Nothing new there either, Smed has always been known for answering emails if they are civilly written.
Someone give that kid a quarter...
So'fe Sose, Naritus, SWG- Forcibly Retired
Friends don't let friends SWG...
I really really wish I could come back, I've been having an aweful hankering to do so as of late. Lots of friends have told me they've gone back and actually find the game mildly enjoyable again, not near what they've had before but almost good enough to not puke all over the computer while playing it.
I sincerely miss the SWG days of old, when there was just plain community fun to be had in a game where I wasn't forced to go out killing and maming to do something. My favorite prof's were Master Tailor/Dancer and at some point ID. I was a crafter through and through but owed a small stake in a small club, it was silly amounts of fun.
A virtual life through and through when the real life, between school/work/boyfriends, was just crappy to deal with. I had the first large scale mat's extraction farm on my server, trading with people for plots and selling whatever I pulled up. The organization was rough sometimes but with the help of an amazing PA, my time couldn't not have been spent any better.
That's what I miss, when I can do that, when other players can do that again, I'll go back. Without a doubt.
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Even a dickhead like you should care about basic ethics.
Yet Iska did exactly that. He is the one who brought this claim to the discussion. I and others asked for proof and so far all I have seen are excuses.
Wait, before this thread your saying I said I would post his email? Um no I did not. Do not put text out there I did not use.
Now... now I will post it... just for you, just so you can do whatever you need to do with it.
Like I said, this by all means may dissapoint you. What he says only backs up what the others have said already. Like I stated before, this is nothing new or a suprise.
But you sure are Hell bent on it lol...
Don't forget sport, your the one playing the NGE... lol that alone makes you alot more funny then I am thats for sure.
What did you think was going to happen when you came here bragging about how you got an email from Smedley posting what he said. People would bow before you and believe what you had to say without wanting to see it for themsleves?
Umm, you aren't forced to go out killing now...
Nor do you ever have to deal with the combat system if you don't want to. I don't 90% of the time.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Well there steps in with my inexperience on where the game stands right now, I'm pulling from what friends are telling me they are experiencing right now, differing forums and my own experience stepping into NGE now and then over the last 6 to 8 months. I'll be the first to stay, I'm fairly ignorant as to how it stands this very moment, sorry if I gave an impression otherwise.
From what I saw though, there really wasn't very much support for non-combat profs, or classes I suppose they are now. A dancer can still dance but is pretty much all an entertainer now, and you can't dance and be a crafter (trader now I guess???) which to me convolutes your options quite a bit to either being happy doing one and only only thing or creating an alt which in my perspective takes away from the experience I've had before.
But of course, if I'm wrong in those assumptions, by all means I'd love to be corrected.
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Let Baron Von Dumbass get his own convsersation with the smedster.
As for the Baron.... If you are still unsure if SOE/LEC thinks the NGE change worked maybe you should read this before quietly rocking yourself to sleep.
What is up with you guys, NO ONE IS SAYING NGE WAS A GOOD THING, what this thread is about is the changes since, as mention like 3 times in this thread. Who said NGE was a success or even a good thing? The point I am tring to make is that everyone, including Smed and the boys know is wasnt a good thing, and now they are bringing back things that was had CU/Pre-CU. Like combat style.
And I have read the post about what they said. And they dont say the changes since or the current path is a mistake, Just the NGE. They made a mstake, admitted it was a mistake, and now are tring to get the game back in line. I quit for 8 months because of the NGE, they lost 8 months of payments from me. And they are losing lots from others. But getting back to the comparrison with games that are out there; Which MMO allows you to acutally control the flight of a spaceship with Joystick or Mouse and Target with crosshairs you targets, not EVE , SWG does, custom ships and all. Which MMORPG allows for ground and Space PVP and PVE and has an extensive crafting system. Hmm, the only one I know is SWG. Which games has all the before mentioned items and allows entertainers that play instruments and dance to buff and remove cloning sickness? Well again SWG is the only one I know. Please let me know if I have missed a MMORPG that has all this stuff, because I would surely give it a try.
If you had never played SWG and someone told you of a game that had all the above stuff would you try it? That is the place everyone that has never played SWG is it. So please dont let your bitterness keep others from tring it. If you cant get over the changes, I feel your pain, then dont play. I was full temp jedi, and NGE cost me alot of abilities and others lost their whole classes. That is a tough row to hoe.
I will be the first to say, I FLAMED NGE continously when it came it, to the point of cancelation. But when I came back to SWG, I looked at it as a NEW GAME. Once I stoped comparing it to pre-cu ( brief experience) and CU, then I started to like it. Again for the 18000 time, I am not saying it is better than pre-CU or CU, I am saying it is better than the other MMO's I have played, and I listed them eariler, there are alot of them.
Let Baron Von Dumbass get his own convsersation with the smedster.
As for the Baron.... If you are still unsure if SOE/LEC thinks the NGE change worked maybe you should read this before quietly rocking yourself to sleep.
I agree with you but in this case, I feel this kid needs to see somthing, like I said it is nothing new or a suprise.
As it stands, we told him and warned him... now he wishes different.
Baron Ju ju --
Reach -- thanks, I know you mean well and so do I, but since this is the first person questioning my credibility I think he just needs this to move on. (As small as it is and yet nothing new)...
HERE IS THE CURRENT portion I will post, not all of the context we have had... this way, he gets what he needs and maybe it's enough. Sometimes people need to see, hear , read things before the believe it... so be it. I mean look at what the execs said...about the game, I mean crap. IF that is not a slap in the face that says HEY THIS IS A MISTAKE YOUR IN IT AND WE ARE RIDING IT OUT.. then I don't know what does:
Here ya go Barron --
This part was sent to him from his Blog comments on Michael Pachters comments, in case you do not know who he is.. then look it up, I don't have the time to educate you on who is who in the MMO world or reporting etc..
(Understand the order due to the reply, it is backwards)-- Note: I am not ashamed of my comments, I have been direct with him since the start of this and if you knew anything then you know why I chose that method.
Here ya go -- also with all the credits with email servers, screenshots, not photoshoped for you people that do not know how to see that. Also is the screenshot and time on the mail server it came.
(I figure you need this all, lol since you seem to need it) -- In a way I know this won't change anything the NGE fanbois do, but seeing their almighty leader say he regrets it even in emails sent to each and every person he wishes he had not done this.... You can only spin so far guys, only so far.
Here ya go... cause you know, I would hate for you to worry about me...lol
Smed email info and screen shots as well
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email..
Actually I've repeatedly said I wouldn't make the same decision again.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael -XXXXXXXXX <XXXXXXX@ameritech.net>
To: Smedley, John <jsmedley@soe.sony.com>
Sent: Tue Sep 12 12:12:06 2006
Subject: On Michael Pachters comments..
Since you seem to be able to look at his comments and say you dissagree, can you not debate the NGE and your ideas and failed concept and backing of that idea?
Some of us would really like to see what your input is now that most of your team has said or spoke of what the truth is.
I rather you see you say this was a mistake like they did. I still feel you did not listen to us, did not heed our warning of what would happen to the player base for SWG and now it shows.
I have never seen somthing go so wrong in game actually and this is now being compared to E.T. for the Atari 2600. (which is bad)
I would like to see a real debate, not a fake one or pre- questioned one.
Or at least someone taking responsibility for this mess.
After all of this time I think we deserve it as the old player base you kicked to the curb. The NGE was a mistake plain and simple.
Actually I've repeatedly said I wouldn't make the same decision again.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael -XXXXXXXXX <XXXXXXX@ameritech.net>
To: Smedley, John <jsmedley@soe.sony.com>
Sent: Tue Sep 12 12:12:06 2006
Subject: On Michael Pachters comments..
Since you seem to be able to look at his comments and say you dissagree, can you not debate the NGE and your ideas and failed concept and backing of that idea?
Some of us would really like to see what your input is now that most of your team has said or spoke of what the truth is.
I rather you see you say this was a mistake like they did. I still feel you did not listen to us, did not heed our warning of what would happen to the player base for SWG and now it shows.
I have never seen somthing go so wrong in game actually and this is now being compared to E.T. for the Atari 2600. (which is bad)
I would like to see a real debate, not a fake one or pre- questioned one.
Or at least someone taking responsibility for this mess.
After all of this time I think we deserve it as the old player base you kicked to the curb. The NGE was a mistake plain and simple.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Let Baron Von Dumbass get his own convsersation with the smedster.
As for the Baron.... If you are still unsure if SOE/LEC thinks the NGE change worked maybe you should read this before quietly rocking yourself to sleep.
What is up with you guys, NO ONE IS SAYING NGE WAS A GOOD THING, what this thread is about is the changes since, as mention like 3 times in this thread. Who said NGE was a success or even a good thing? The point I am tring to make is that everyone, including Smed and the boys know is wasnt a good thing, and now they are bringing back things that was had CU/Pre-CU. Like combat style.
And I have read the post about what they said. And they dont say the changes since or the current path is a mistake, Just the NGE. They made a mstake, admitted it was a mistake, and now are tring to get the game back in line. I quit for 8 months because of the NGE, they lost 8 months of payments from me. And they are losing lots from others. But getting back to the comparrison with games that are out there; Which MMO allows you to acutally control the flight of a spaceship with Joystick or Mouse and Target with crosshairs you targets, not EVE , SWG does, custom ships and all. Which MMORPG allows for ground and Space PVP and PVE and has an extensive crafting system. Hmm, the only one I know is SWG. Which games has all the before mentioned items and allows entertainers that play instruments and dance to buff and remove cloning sickness? Well again SWG is the only one I know. Please let me know if I have missed a MMORPG that has all this stuff, because I would surely give it a try.
If you had never played SWG and someone told you of a game that had all the above stuff would you try it? That is the place everyone that has never played SWG is it. So please dont let your bitterness keep others from tring it. If you cant get over the changes, I feel your pain, then dont play. I was full temp jedi, and NGE cost me alot of abilities and others lost their whole classes. That is a tough row to hoe.
I will be the first to say, I FLAMED NGE continously when it came it, to the point of cancelation. But when I came back to SWG, I looked at it as a NEW GAME. Once I stoped comparing it to pre-cu ( brief experience) and CU, then I started to like it. Again for the 18000 time, I am not saying it is better than pre-CU or CU, I am saying it is better than the other MMO's I have played, and I listed them eariler, there are alot of them.
I understand what you are saying but listen, they do not need to "bring back" anything.
Nothing is the same, and for them to even get to 1/4 of what it was will take 3 or 4 more years.
Sorry, a classic server is the only fix and I do not know if this would help now.
See, support is a factor and lets face it... this one is not a promotional game now. As a invester just by reading what the people in charge said would be enough for me to walk away from this.
Wasted time now more or less.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Lol, man what I was saying is that you are misrepresenting the statement made by Smed. He didnt say the games was doomed and he didnt say the game is on the wrong path. I bet you are one of those that said "They should just admitted the made a mistake and fix it", well now they have admitted it and are tring to fix it, but hey that is still not enough.
My point is that your respentation of the smed post about NGE amounts to lying. And that is what I am calling you out on. And you cant prove it wrong or even come up with a valid point. All you can say is basically I can post what I want. And you are right, no matter how irrelavent it is.
Lol, man what I was saying is that you are misrepresenting the statement made by Smed. He didnt say the games was doomed and he didnt say the game is on the wrong path. I bet you are one of those that said "They should just admitted the made a mistake and fix it", well now they have admitted it and are tring to fix it, but hey that is still not enough.
My point is that your respentation of the smed post about NGE amounts to lying. And that is what I am calling you out on. And you cant prove it wrong or even come up with a valid point. All you can say is basically I can post what I want. And you are right, no matter how irrelavent it is.
So wait a minute... Smedley saying if he could do this all over again he woudn't is ok?
Look, no matter what they do now, no matter what they say now will not undo this. Not only was it a mistake from the start BUT IT STILL IS...Look, you do not make comments like (DO NOT MAKE OUR MISTAKES) if your doing will with a product, YOU DO NOT SAY "I wish we did not do this" no matter how many ways you spin this and try to make it all good now.
I think your missing this... SMED WISHES THIS NEVER HAPPEND TRUST ME I HAVE READ IT... with that said, it was a mistake and is -- not like it's some winning game version or well taken in.
Look, with several execs and SOE themselves saying this was a mistake and should not have been done by the president is enough for me to look at and use common sense as the product itself as a failure.
If this was a success, then use your common sense and ask yourself would they call it a failure or a mistake???
Lol, nope they would be running with all the good reviews and awards and posting the crap out of them...
Not some Webby award for the website looking good only....lol I mean come on... .
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Wow look at the mods watching this one...lol
I can feel them eyes lol....
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Let Baron Von Dumbass get his own convsersation with the smedster.
As for the Baron.... If you are still unsure if SOE/LEC thinks the NGE change worked maybe you should read this before quietly rocking yourself to sleep.
What is up with you guys, NO ONE IS SAYING NGE WAS A GOOD THING, what this thread is about is the changes since, as mention like 3 times in this thread. Who said NGE was a success or even a good thing? The point I am tring to make is that everyone, including Smed and the boys know is wasnt a good thing, and now they are bringing back things that was had CU/Pre-CU. Like combat style.
And I have read the post about what they said. And they dont say the changes since or the current path is a mistake, Just the NGE. They made a mstake, admitted it was a mistake, and now are tring to get the game back in line. I quit for 8 months because of the NGE, they lost 8 months of payments from me. And they are losing lots from others. But getting back to the comparrison with games that are out there; Which MMO allows you to acutally control the flight of a spaceship with Joystick or Mouse and Target with crosshairs you targets, not EVE , SWG does, custom ships and all. Which MMORPG allows for ground and Space PVP and PVE and has an extensive crafting system. Hmm, the only one I know is SWG. Which games has all the before mentioned items and allows entertainers that play instruments and dance to buff and remove cloning sickness? Well again SWG is the only one I know. Please let me know if I have missed a MMORPG that has all this stuff, because I would surely give it a try.
If you had never played SWG and someone told you of a game that had all the above stuff would you try it? That is the place everyone that has never played SWG is it. So please dont let your bitterness keep others from tring it. If you cant get over the changes, I feel your pain, then dont play. I was full temp jedi, and NGE cost me alot of abilities and others lost their whole classes. That is a tough row to hoe.
I will be the first to say, I FLAMED NGE continously when it came it, to the point of cancelation. But when I came back to SWG, I looked at it as a NEW GAME. Once I stoped comparing it to pre-cu ( brief experience) and CU, then I started to like it. Again for the 18000 time, I am not saying it is better than pre-CU or CU, I am saying it is better than the other MMO's I have played, and I listed them eariler, there are alot of them.
I understand what you are saying but listen, they do not need to "bring back" anything.
Nothing is the same, and for them to even get to 1/4 of what it was will take 3 or 4 more years.
Sorry, a classic server is the only fix and I do not know if this would help now.
See, support is a factor and lets face it... this one is not a promotional game now. As a invester just by reading what the people in charge said would be enough for me to walk away from this.
Wasted time now more or less.
They have already brought back Target lock/Auto fire and some uniqueness in class, so you cant say they arent bringing anything back, because they have. And in the trader revamp, it amouts to bringing back CA/AA's. So again that is something from the passed. And just asking, which game do you play now this is not a waste of time? A game is just that a pass time. Something to pass the time. In the end all the MMORPGs of today will go away, so the wasted time angle could apply to any game you play. Eventually it will be a waste of time.
Everyone that knows SWG knows the bad that happen, pre-cu guys left or got mad about CU, CU left or got mad about NGE (me being one of them), what I am saying is lets tell it like it is. Dont let your hatred for SOE cause you to distort the truth. And anyone that has not played the game in months really doesnt know what is going on there. I have played and expressed my opinion.
The really question is which current MMO offers more playable options, considering combat as only one option. I just read the post here and thought, these people arent in game now, they couldnt be saying all these things, because they werent true. Not saying you personelly, but some just but care if what they say is true, they just want to hurt SOE as they are hurt. Eye for an Eye so to speak. I am not sure that is a construtive way to approach any topic.
Former SWG beta tester and player
No you can't do both anymore. You do get a second toon per server now though. I have 3 traders and 3 combatants at the moment. I spend alot of time surveying and resourcing. At the moment I mostly only craft for myself but I do make fair bit of money on chassis and ship components.
Crafters no longer agro unless it's an elite mob with the <> around their name. So you don't have to deal with the trash on the planet while out resourcing.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
See that's interesting and someting I defanitely did not know. Question though, are Entertainers dealt with in the same way?
But again, unfortunately, I just have a hard time with having to create a new character to just be allowed to do more then one thing. Maybe most would dissagree but for me, one of SWG of old greatest strength was the flexibility in what one person could become and how that reflected each person/character.
Just seems a little distracting to be constently switching between characters to just do something different. But like I said, that's probably just a nitpick of mine and mine alone, I'm sure most people are fine with it and I'm being a baby about a small point.
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The class enhancements are based on the Diablo 2 skill system, not the old SWG skill system. They completely miss the mark as far as duplicating anything even remotely like SWG's profession system. You can't add entertainer skills to your bounty hunter or trader. You can't add smuggler skills to your jedi, entertainer or trader. Basically all you can do is chose which attacks or defenses you get on your combat character.
The trader revamp as discussed so far looks to be nothing more than a stripped down version of what was already in place. The only reason a revamp is needed right now is because the system that launched was bypassed in favor of a kill, loot and repeat playstyle that was neither asked for or wanted by the players. Rather than fix the actual problem (a player based crafting system needs a sustainable player economy that is not loot > crafted based) they are throwing the bandaid fix of allowing loot to be improved via crafters. In otherwords changing crafters from those who create items into those who enhance items.
This is a different game. A game that isn't as good. End of story.
Former SWG beta tester and player
I BELEIVE dancers are the sme way but I can't confirm that. And yes it sucks being hard coded to one thing. I just don't even worry about that part and just live in a star wars universe and have fun where I find it.
You do get unlimited respecs though now, without having to regrind. It just costs you each time you do. So you can change around alittle when you want.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Let Baron Von Dumbass get his own convsersation with the smedster.
As for the Baron.... If you are still unsure if SOE/LEC thinks the NGE change worked maybe you should read this before quietly rocking yourself to sleep.
What is up with you guys, NO ONE IS SAYING NGE WAS A GOOD THING, what this thread is about is the changes since, as mention like 3 times in this thread. Who said NGE was a success or even a good thing? The point I am tring to make is that everyone, including Smed and the boys know is wasnt a good thing, and now they are bringing back things that was had CU/Pre-CU. Like combat style.
And I have read the post about what they said. And they dont say the changes since or the current path is a mistake, Just the NGE. They made a mstake, admitted it was a mistake, and now are tring to get the game back in line. I quit for 8 months because of the NGE, they lost 8 months of payments from me. And they are losing lots from others. But getting back to the comparrison with games that are out there; Which MMO allows you to acutally control the flight of a spaceship with Joystick or Mouse and Target with crosshairs you targets, not EVE , SWG does, custom ships and all. Which MMORPG allows for ground and Space PVP and PVE and has an extensive crafting system. Hmm, the only one I know is SWG. Which games has all the before mentioned items and allows entertainers that play instruments and dance to buff and remove cloning sickness? Well again SWG is the only one I know. Please let me know if I have missed a MMORPG that has all this stuff, because I would surely give it a try.
If you had never played SWG and someone told you of a game that had all the above stuff would you try it? That is the place everyone that has never played SWG is it. So please dont let your bitterness keep others from tring it. If you cant get over the changes, I feel your pain, then dont play. I was full temp jedi, and NGE cost me alot of abilities and others lost their whole classes. That is a tough row to hoe.
I will be the first to say, I FLAMED NGE continously when it came it, to the point of cancelation. But when I came back to SWG, I looked at it as a NEW GAME. Once I stoped comparing it to pre-cu ( brief experience) and CU, then I started to like it. Again for the 18000 time, I am not saying it is better than pre-CU or CU, I am saying it is better than the other MMO's I have played, and I listed them eariler, there are alot of them.
I understand what you are saying but listen, they do not need to "bring back" anything.
Nothing is the same, and for them to even get to 1/4 of what it was will take 3 or 4 more years.
Sorry, a classic server is the only fix and I do not know if this would help now.
See, support is a factor and lets face it... this one is not a promotional game now. As a invester just by reading what the people in charge said would be enough for me to walk away from this.
Wasted time now more or less.
They have already brought back Target lock/Auto fire and some uniqueness in class, so you cant say they arent bringing anything back, because they have. And in the trader revamp, it amouts to bringing back CA/AA's. So again that is something from the passed. And just asking, which game do you play now this is not a waste of time? A game is just that a pass time. Something to pass the time. In the end all the MMORPGs of today will go away, so the wasted time angle could apply to any game you play. Eventually it will be a waste of time.
Everyone that knows SWG knows the bad that happen, pre-cu guys left or got mad about CU, CU left or got mad about NGE (me being one of them), what I am saying is lets tell it like it is. Dont let your hatred for SOE cause you to distort the truth. And anyone that has not played the game in months really doesnt know what is going on there. I have played and expressed my opinion.
The really question is which current MMO offers more playable options, considering combat as only one option. I just read the post here and thought, these people arent in game now, they couldnt be saying all these things, because they werent true. Not saying you personelly, but some just but care if what they say is true, they just want to hurt SOE as they are hurt. Eye for an Eye so to speak. I am not sure that is a construtive way to approach any topic.
Ok you have a few things flawed: If you are going to say bring back then be detailed.
Lets start with your Target Lock -- NOW THEN, this is not the same as it was before -- so actually it is not "brought back" in fact this is not the same at all period. Autofire is somewhat ok other then IT's not the same combat at all.. so ok the autofire still goes "boom boom boom" other then that, that would be it.
It is NOT the same combat, not the same method, skills, or ANIMATIONS at all, it is not the same actions nor is it the same tatics needed to survive or even close. It is still a bad laggy FPS that is trying to be BOTH now due to people asking for things so badly. NOW let's go further...
DID YOU KNOW THE DEVS THOUGHT THE CA's and AA's were in the game up until the Summit meetings? Did you know that they did not even know they were broke until the players brought it up??? Did you know that Helios wanted to remove crafting from the game altogether?
Listen I played the game from Beta 2 until the NGE and spot checked since then with accounts.. I can safely tell you that 10 months later this is NOT BRINGING THE GAME BACK... it is a bastardized version of somthing we once all loved. NOT some new and exciting working game, NOPE .. this is a hacked up version that the CREATORS AND MAKERS wish they never did and consider it a mistake.
By all means, this is not a good game.. so while you claim we are (lying) I think you really need to look around, read some of the things the Execs have said and use some common sense. What your seeing 10 MONTHS LATER is less then half the population, little diversity and only this was made because people bitched about it... with 9 classes and 0 risk factor in the game that not only is this a joke and known for it now, but even thier own support team and the people that should be promoting the game don't because of this.
My God, it was said before.. if this was a car company people would be dead.
This is not a MMO compare day... this is call SWG what it is.. and what it turned into... in the striving for the magical player base... a failure plain and simple.
I agree with them and hope people learn from this mistake though, in the end that is the only good that can come from this.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
A friend of mine resubbed to try it out. He hadn't played at all during the NGE.
He was like "Hey you should resub too, it sounds like it's back to the CU"
"Yeah...sounds like"
I was leaving town when he was subscribing...I told him that if he was still playing and enjoying it in 2 weeks (when I got back in town) that I would resub and start playing with him.
I came back 2 weeks later and guess what game he wasn't playing?
SOE/LA/SWG have totally blown it. There really is no coming back. The best thing they can do is to leech off the project that we can't talk about here and attempt to get some of their previous playerbase back.
I know that it will take PreNGE gameplay to get back me and virtually everyone that I knew that played in SWG and it seems like thats a pretty common theme.
The longer they stall, the steeper the demands from the previous community. It's all but over now.
Love, Sodapop
The class enhancements are based on the Diablo 2 skill system, not the old SWG skill system. They completely miss the mark as far as duplicating anything even remotely like SWG's profession system. You can't add entertainer skills to your bounty hunter or trader. You can't add smuggler skills to your jedi, entertainer or trader. Basically all you can do is chose which attacks or defenses you get on your combat character.
The trader revamp as discussed so far looks to be nothing more than a stripped down version of what was already in place. The only reason a revamp is needed right now is because the system that launched was bypassed in favor of a kill, loot and repeat playstyle that was neither asked for or wanted by the players. Rather than fix the actual problem (a player based crafting system needs a sustainable player economy that is not loot > crafted based) they are throwing the bandaid fix of allowing loot to be improved via crafters. In otherwords changing crafters from those who create items into those who enhance items.
This is a different game. A game that isn't as good. End of story.
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones?
You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
HEY POP, yeah so I got called out on my credibility by this Baron Von ju ju bee guy...lol
HOW ARE YA?
Hope your well man... CCF FTW... I have those shots somewhere of us giving those white wooks Hell that day lol..
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
The class enhancements are based on the Diablo 2 skill system, not the old SWG skill system. They completely miss the mark as far as duplicating anything even remotely like SWG's profession system. You can't add entertainer skills to your bounty hunter or trader. You can't add smuggler skills to your jedi, entertainer or trader. Basically all you can do is chose which attacks or defenses you get on your combat character.
The trader revamp as discussed so far looks to be nothing more than a stripped down version of what was already in place. The only reason a revamp is needed right now is because the system that launched was bypassed in favor of a kill, loot and repeat playstyle that was neither asked for or wanted by the players. Rather than fix the actual problem (a player based crafting system needs a sustainable player economy that is not loot > crafted based) they are throwing the bandaid fix of allowing loot to be improved via crafters. In otherwords changing crafters from those who create items into those who enhance items.
This is a different game. A game that isn't as good. End of story.
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones?
You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
10 months later and your making this sound like some great deal... after all the lies, missleadings and crap that has failed based on track record and you are actually trying to sell this crap?
FUNCTIONALITY???? I logged in not that LONG AGO AND HIT FORCE RUN AND AGROED A ENTIRE CITY????? W T F???? If you click to fast while trying to get on or off a BIKE YOU HEAR A CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK??? and it feels as smooth as rubbing your face on sandpaper.
How about the great function of moving stuff in your house? OR what happend to just the animations themselves... nothing more just the animations..
10 months later it is worse then before, 10 months later with less then 1/3 of the player base, and classes to worry about this is still a mistake.. 10 months later and your NOW trying to convience people the game is OK??? Are you freaking kidding me?
Look, I know you may mean well but man some people have common sense, they really do, they read, they learn, they base things on history, experience and word of mouth.
Sorry, but I will choose to believe what the president of the company that made the game told me and stay far freaking away from this "mistake" or product "he wished he did not make"..... thank you.
I just hope others have the sense to do the same.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1