Originally posted by iskareot Ok man, listen I hate the game and how this went down. Listen, just play the game.. Look if you love it then play it. I cannot tell you I think it's good or wise. BUT if you love it just play it.. but at least now you know more and NOW for maybe a split second you see how we feel -- OR I FEEL because let me tell you, as your eyes just fell out of your head getting that email.. you now know how I felt getting one like it. You ask why we are so angry? You can or at least for a second know... that is better then some NGErs here at least. Play the game if you love it...just try to avoid us here..lol I am no joke sorry for making this bad in most respects.. I was not always like this and not so hateful. But... at least you can stand in my shoes with that email you now have as your reasons for being mad.
Listen, just play the game.. Look if you love it then play it. I cannot tell you I think it's good or wise. BUT if you love it just play it.. but at least now you know more and NOW for maybe a split second you see how we feel -- OR I FEEL because let me tell you, as your eyes just fell out of your head getting that email.. you now know how I felt getting one like it. You ask why we are so angry? You can or at least for a second know... that is better then some NGErs here at least. Play the game if you love it...just try to avoid us here..lol I am no joke sorry for making this bad in most respects.. I was not always like this and not so hateful. But... at least you can stand in my shoes with that email you now have as your reasons for being mad.
Listen, just play the game.. Look if you love it then play it. I cannot tell you I think it's good or wise. BUT if you love it just play it.. but at least now you know more and NOW for maybe a split second you see how we feel -- OR I FEEL because let me tell you, as your eyes just fell out of your head getting that email.. you now know how I felt getting one like it. You ask why we are so angry? You can or at least for a second know... that is better then some NGErs here at least. Play the game if you love it...just try to avoid us here..lol I am no joke sorry for making this bad in most respects.. I was not always like this and not so hateful. But... at least you can stand in my shoes with that email you now have as your reasons for being mad.
You honestly, believe that I truly enjoy the NGE? You honestly believe that I enjoyed watching my profession (Smuggler) evaporate in uniqueness and skill and to watch my wifes dual profession (BE/CH) simply vanish over night? You think I enjoy a semmi-FPS over what we had?
You can't stop to think that maybe, just maybe there was another reason? Because I tell you there was....friends. I have developed friendships over the last three years on there. When the CU came out we lost a few in our guild (One of the oldest on Bloodfin). Ok we said we picked up ourselves resigned to our losses and moved on.
Then the NGE hit.
Over night this old guild went from 85 3 year vets to 2. Me and one other. Needless to say it has taken nearly 9 months to get back on our feet and slowly see the returnof some of our folks (6 so far).
No, I do not like the NGE. Never have, but I stayed because of my friends which are more precious to me than anything in this world. But after I show them what was said, our guild Copper Dune, may just evaporate for good and those friends will move on to other games. We may keep in touch, but it will never be the same again.
Well that is not what I wanted to happen. You know Smedley hung himself out for me... at least know he is that kind of guy.
I think like he said, we will never know that all the calls were not made by him.
We all here loved our profs, (Chef/BIO Jedi Knight of the old ways..) Most of us lost our guilds, large and small, cities, but yes... your anger (that I now see) is what we are doing here.
Expressing it.
Today some things happend, Smedley stuck his nose out for the little guy in the grand scheme of things.. however you heard the truth more so loud and clear now.
I wish you chose a different path.. but so be it.
You have to admit, it is kinda cool Smedley responds and is honest when he can be, I give him that again.. I'm still pissed but I do give him that.
(Note:) No way in Hell can he say that on the SOE boards... not a chance in flaming Hell, the game would spiral I think so fast that he would be sued or crap even us maybe. Who knows..
None the less, I kept my word but it cost someone-- somthing.
I have gotton some emails and PMs already on this as I knew I would... Since these emails have been the most candid and honest words Smedley has said in a while. I guess he is trying to be positive about it now and move on.
Like he said he would like to join the debate, but hes right... Even myself would be asking for a roleback and that is being honest. (knowing it can't happen even).
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by grinreaper It is nice to know the Iraqi minister of information finally got a new job.
now now... this was a bad enough result page.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by SODAofBRIA Originally posted by iskareot
HEY POP, yeah so I got called out on my credibility by this Baron Von ju ju bee guy...lol
HOW ARE YA?
Hope your well man... CCF FTW... I have those shots somewhere of us giving those white wooks Hell that day lol..
Haha, not bad here...
Givin that extree fi'teen dollur to the teevee preacher
HAHA man you kill me.
Alot of the guys are running around with me from my old crew still, we game hop but WoW, Empire is about all I play with NOW THE NEW Lego Star Wars II with my son..
Man, the first one rocked.. this one is even better... good Star Wars fun.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
"It was a business decision based upon a declining playerbase." All games lost players to WoW.
"Ordinarily I would be happy to engage in a debate, but every time the discussion turns into “why not do a rollback”.. which just isn’t practical and isn’t going to happen" Not a rollback, classic servers. I understand a rolback creates all sorts of problems, but a fresh pre cu server shouldnt be so hard to set up. And a possible debate could start with why it is not going to happen. More subscribers = more money to SOE, LA. Or what is the problem with that simple rule.
Originally posted by BaronJuJu
First, to Iskareot. Thanks for finally posting the email. I copied it and sent it it to Smedley and this was my response:
"Yes, that was an email I sent.
1)The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
2)We should have engaged the playerbase. Springing it on them while well intentioned was not a good idea. This is my single biggest regret and the thing I feel worst about.
3)It was a business decision based upon a declining playerbase. One thing that’s lost in this discussion is that with the playerbase leaving we had to do something. It’s great to get emails from players where they say SWG before the NGE was the greatest game ever, but the declining playerbase told us something different.
4)I believe the fundamental design of SWG had some bad flaws right from the start. The # of professions was certainly one of the problem areas. It made balancing and making the game interesting extremely difficult.
5)After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Ordinarily I would be happy to engage in a debate, but every time the discussion turns into “why not do a rollback”.. which just isn’t practical and isn’t going to happen. "
Well that is not what I wanted to happen. You know Smedley hung himself out for me... at least know he is that kind of guy. I think like he said, we will never know that all the calls were not made by him.
We all here loved our profs, (Chef/BIO Jedi Knight of the old ways..) Most of us lost our guilds, large and small, cities, but yes... your anger (that I now see) is what we are doing here.
Expressing it.
Today some things happend, Smedley stuck his nose out for the little guy in the grand scheme of things.. however you heard the truth more so loud and clear now.
I wish you chose a different path.. but so be it.
You have to admit, it is kinda cool Smedley responds and is honest when he can be, I give him that again.. I'm still pissed but I do give him that.
(Note:) No way in Hell can he say that on the SOE boards... not a chance in flaming Hell, the game would spiral I think so fast that he would be sued or crap even us maybe. Who knows..
None the less, I kept my word but it cost someone-- somthing.
I have gotton some emails and PMs already on this as I knew I would... Since these emails have been the most candid and honest words Smedley has said in a while. I guess he is trying to be positive about it now and move on.
Like he said he would like to join the debate, but hes right... Even myself would be asking for a roleback and that is being honest. (knowing it can't happen even).
I think like he said, we will never know that all the calls were not made by him.
We all here loved our profs, (Chef/BIO Jedi Knight of the old ways..) Most of us lost our guilds, large and small, cities, but yes... your anger (that I now see) is what we are doing here.
Expressing it.
Today some things happend, Smedley stuck his nose out for the little guy in the grand scheme of things.. however you heard the truth more so loud and clear now.
I wish you chose a different path.. but so be it.
You have to admit, it is kinda cool Smedley responds and is honest when he can be, I give him that again.. I'm still pissed but I do give him that.
(Note:) No way in Hell can he say that on the SOE boards... not a chance in flaming Hell, the game would spiral I think so fast that he would be sued or crap even us maybe. Who knows..
None the less, I kept my word but it cost someone-- somthing.
I have gotton some emails and PMs already on this as I knew I would... Since these emails have been the most candid and honest words Smedley has said in a while. I guess he is trying to be positive about it now and move on.
Like he said he would like to join the debate, but hes right... Even myself would be asking for a roleback and that is being honest. (knowing it can't happen even).
I do appreciate the bluntness of his letter and not PR spin. I will give him that much.
Look folks, if you want to play, by all means play. Let NO ONE on this or any other board tell you otherwise. Give it a shot and test it out for yourself. You may love it, you may not. You are your own best judge.
I have no time to express anger constantly over and over on daily basis on these boards. Its a waste of time to me, but if if some enjoy doing it then by all means let it fly. But I have noticed alot of really disgusting comments in here over the last few months, from both sides of the house, and there is NO reason for that. There is such a thing still as civility and common courtesy. There is no reason to resort to name calling and spiteful comments. Engage in debate. If you have facts show them to educate others, if its your opinion say so. But do not try to pass opinions and rumors off as fact. That will hurt your rep more than anything out in the real world.
I enjoy a good healthy debate and look forward to many more ahead on here and other boards.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
Originally posted by Osen "It was a business decision based upon a declining playerbase." All games lost players to WoW.
"Ordinarily I would be happy to engage in a debate, but every time the discussion turns into “why not do a rollback”.. which just isn’t practical and isn’t going to happen" Not a rollback, classic servers. I understand a rolback creates all sorts of problems, but a fresh pre cu server shouldnt be so hard to set up. And a possible debate could start with why it is not going to happen. More subscribers = more money to SOE, LA. Or what is the problem with that simple rule.
Originally posted by BaronJuJu
First, to Iskareot. Thanks for finally posting the email. I copied it and sent it it to Smedley and this was my response: "Yes, that was an email I sent.
1)The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
2)We should have engaged the playerbase. Springing it on them while well intentioned was not a good idea. This is my single biggest regret and the thing I feel worst about.
3)It was a business decision based upon a declining playerbase. One thing that’s lost in this discussion is that with the playerbase leaving we had to do something. It’s great to get emails from players where they say SWG before the NGE was the greatest game ever, but the declining playerbase told us something different.
4)I believe the fundamental design of SWG had some bad flaws right from the start. The # of professions was certainly one of the problem areas. It made balancing and making the game interesting extremely difficult.
5)After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Ordinarily I would be happy to engage in a debate, but every time the discussion turns into “why not do a rollback”.. which just isn’t practical and isn’t going to happen. "
Osen man I know what your saying and man, I would love that to happen... but listen, I have asked countless times and the right people even. They can't do it without losing more money. I WANT IT... but I fear we won't see it. Another game will be made I will think to fill this void. I also know that Mr. Smedley is not the only person calling the shots on this. Without detail you should be able to see that, I am not saying it can't happen, but I am saying in my field of I.T. this would be almost impossible due to all the original coders that left. Look, I lost alot of friends in the game too, I kept the close ones as we still play games together.. but it is what it is. The NGE is a failure, now all they can do is ride it out. I actually think business wise that is all you can do at this point of investment.
1)The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
2)We should have engaged the playerbase. Springing it on them while well intentioned was not a good idea. This is my single biggest regret and the thing I feel worst about.
3)It was a business decision based upon a declining playerbase. One thing that’s lost in this discussion is that with the playerbase leaving we had to do something. It’s great to get emails from players where they say SWG before the NGE was the greatest game ever, but the declining playerbase told us something different.
4)I believe the fundamental design of SWG had some bad flaws right from the start. The # of professions was certainly one of the problem areas. It made balancing and making the game interesting extremely difficult.
5)After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Ordinarily I would be happy to engage in a debate, but every time the discussion turns into “why not do a rollback”.. which just isn’t practical and isn’t going to happen. "
Osen man I know what your saying and man, I would love that to happen... but listen, I have asked countless times and the right people even. They can't do it without losing more money. I WANT IT... but I fear we won't see it. Another game will be made I will think to fill this void. I also know that Mr. Smedley is not the only person calling the shots on this. Without detail you should be able to see that, I am not saying it can't happen, but I am saying in my field of I.T. this would be almost impossible due to all the original coders that left. Look, I lost alot of friends in the game too, I kept the close ones as we still play games together.. but it is what it is. The NGE is a failure, now all they can do is ride it out. I actually think business wise that is all you can do at this point of investment. "Ordinarily I would be happy to engage in a debate, but every time the discussion turns into “why not do a rollback”.. which just isn’t practical and isn’t going to happen" Not a rollback, classic servers. I understand a rolback creates all sorts of problems, but a fresh pre cu server shouldnt be so hard to set up. And a possible debate could start with why it is not going to happen. More subscribers = more money to SOE, LA. Or what is the problem with that simple rule.
Originally posted by BaronJuJu
First, to Iskareot. Thanks for finally posting the email. I copied it and sent it it to Smedley and this was my response:
"Yes, that was an email I sent.
1)The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
2)We should have engaged the playerbase. Springing it on them while well intentioned was not a good idea. This is my single biggest regret and the thing I feel worst about.
3)It was a business decision based upon a declining playerbase. One thing that’s lost in this discussion is that with the playerbase leaving we had to do something. It’s great to get emails from players where they say SWG before the NGE was the greatest game ever, but the declining playerbase told us something different.
4)I believe the fundamental design of SWG had some bad flaws right from the start. The # of professions was certainly one of the problem areas. It made balancing and making the game interesting extremely difficult.
5)After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Ordinarily I would be happy to engage in a debate, but every time the discussion turns into “why not do a rollback”.. which just isn’t practical and isn’t going to happen. "
Osen man I know what your saying and man, I would love that to happen... but listen, I have asked countless times and the right people even.
They can't do it without losing more money. I WANT IT... but I fear we won't see it.
Another game will be made I will think to fill this void. I also know that Mr. Smedley is not the only person calling the shots on this.
Without detail you should be able to see that, I am not saying it can't happen, but I am saying in my field of I.T. this would be almost impossible due to all the original coders that left.
Look, I lost alot of friends in the game too, I kept the close ones as we still play games together.. but it is what it is.
The NGE is a failure, now all they can do is ride it out. I actually think business wise that is all you can do at this point of investment.
1)The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
2)We should have engaged the playerbase. Springing it on them while well intentioned was not a good idea. This is my single biggest regret and the thing I feel worst about.
3)It was a business decision based upon a declining playerbase. One thing that’s lost in this discussion is that with the playerbase leaving we had to do something. It’s great to get emails from players where they say SWG before the NGE was the greatest game ever, but the declining playerbase told us something different.
4)I believe the fundamental design of SWG had some bad flaws right from the start. The # of professions was certainly one of the problem areas. It made balancing and making the game interesting extremely difficult.
5)After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Ordinarily I would be happy to engage in a debate, but every time the discussion turns into “why not do a rollback”.. which just isn’t practical and isn’t going to happen. "
Osen man I know what your saying and man, I would love that to happen... but listen, I have asked countless times and the right people even.
They can't do it without losing more money. I WANT IT... but I fear we won't see it.
Another game will be made I will think to fill this void. I also know that Mr. Smedley is not the only person calling the shots on this.
Without detail you should be able to see that, I am not saying it can't happen, but I am saying in my field of I.T. this would be almost impossible due to all the original coders that left.
Look, I lost alot of friends in the game too, I kept the close ones as we still play games together.. but it is what it is.
The NGE is a failure, now all they can do is ride it out. I actually think business wise that is all you can do at this point of investment.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Osen man I know what your saying and man, I would love that to happen... but listen, I have asked countless times and the right people even.
They can't do it without losing more money. I WANT IT... but I fear we won't see it.
Another game will be made I will think to fill this void. I also know that Mr. Smedley is not the only person calling the shots on this.
Without detail you should be able to see that, I am not saying it can't happen, but I am saying in my field of I.T. this would be almost impossible due to all the original coders that left.
Look, I lost alot of friends in the game too, I kept the close ones as we still play games together.. but it is what it is.
The NGE is a failure, now all they can do is ride it out. I actually think business wise that is all you can do at this point of investment.
Yes i see and understand Smedley is not the only person calling the shots on this. And you may very well be correct about the business part.
But, the new subscriptions it would generate and to somewhat save their damaged reputation could generate money for them in the long run. It is probably just not enough for these two big companies to even care.
And its not the loosing of friends for me as i, like you, have contact with the ones i played most with. But now we dont have a damned good game to play anymore.
/resend under an alternate with a follow up e-mail.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Well that is not what I wanted to happen. You know Smedley hung himself out for me... at least know he is that kind of guy.
I think like he said, we will never know that all the calls were not made by him.
We all here loved our profs, (Chef/BIO Jedi Knight of the old ways..) Most of us lost our guilds, large and small, cities, but yes... your anger (that I now see) is what we are doing here.
Expressing it.
Today some things happend, Smedley stuck his nose out for the little guy in the grand scheme of things.. however you heard the truth more so loud and clear now.
I wish you chose a different path.. but so be it.
You have to admit, it is kinda cool Smedley responds and is honest when he can be, I give him that again.. I'm still pissed but I do give him that.
(Note:) No way in Hell can he say that on the SOE boards... not a chance in flaming Hell, the game would spiral I think so fast that he would be sued or crap even us maybe. Who knows..
None the less, I kept my word but it cost someone-- somthing.
I have gotton some emails and PMs already on this as I knew I would... Since these emails have been the most candid and honest words Smedley has said in a while. I guess he is trying to be positive about it now and move on.
Like he said he would like to join the debate, but hes right... Even myself would be asking for a roleback and that is being honest. (knowing it can't happen even).
Uh oh...sounds like the sheet hit the Ol Fan somewhere? Who lost what?
Originally posted by iskareot Like he said he would like to join the debate, but hes right... Even myself would be asking for a roleback and that is being honest. (knowing it can't happen even).
He isn't being honest, he is avoiding the debate. There is a difference. What reason does he have that instituting classic servers would lose money? Is it because he would have to pay LA for second MMO? If that is the case, he should say so.
He admits that if a debate occurs, it will result in an overwhelming response for either a rollback (which I don't think is a good idea) or the institution of classic servers (which I definately support). One would assume, from such a result that it would be profitable to set up classic servers or a rollback. Yet, he refuses to do that, and just states that it would lose money, without providing the reasons why.
Edit: After re-reading Smedley's quote, he doesn't actually mention classic servers, just a rollback. I wish he would engage in a debate regarding that, as I do not support a rollback and I agree that after 10 months, it is impractical.
There's a basic truth that Smedley's boys will never own up to.
They sold hundreds of thousands of customers SWG as a game in a specific genre with a specific feature set.
Then, they didn't manage it very well. And its quality was a disappointment. And people started to leave.
They could either admit they didn't manage it well, or claim the design was 'unmanageable'. They chose the latter, and then abruptly told customers they were no longer going to try to make the game that hundreds of thousands bought, not even really the same genre, and this was because the game they bought was 'unmanageable.'
What they really meant is "We can't manage it ... and we think the only way TO manage it is to have more coders with better skills who are more expensive. So, we've decided it's too expensive to deliver the product you bought, and we're going to cut our costs and deliver a different product to you. VERY different."
But this is disingenuous. They couldn't manage it because ..... they're just not very good at it. They wasted resources, ignored key problems, and went off all over the place designing expansions that did NOTHING to improve the product's problems. They hyped movies and DVD's ... they were nice shiny Marketing ... but not a good use of resources to manage the game.
So everything Smedley and his crew says is "It's not our fault, it's the design."
BULL!
It's your fault. You dropped the ball, kicked it into the mud, and buried it, but it's not the BALL's fault!!
The only way Smedley can be honest is to say "I did a bad job, we did a bad job, we should have been fired for it."
So everything Smedley and his crew says is "It's not our fault, it's the design."
and whose fault was the design? Oh that's right.. $OE!
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by KzinKiller There's a basic truth that Smedley's boys will never own up to.
They sold hundreds of thousands of customers SWG as a game in a specific genre with a specific feature set.
Then, they didn't manage it very well. And its quality was a disappointment. And people started to leave.
They could either admit they didn't manage it well, or claim the design was 'unmanageable'. They chose the latter, and then abruptly told customers they were no longer going to try to make the game that hundreds of thousands bought, not even really the same genre, and this was because the game they bought was 'unmanageable.'
What they really meant is "We can't manage it ... and we think the only way TO manage it is to have more coders with better skills who are more expensive. So, we've decided it's too expensive to deliver the product you bought, and we're going to cut our costs and deliver a different product to you. VERY different."
But this is disingenuous. They couldn't manage it because ..... they're just not very good at it. They wasted resources, ignored key problems, and went off all over the place designing expansions that did NOTHING to improve the product's problems. They hyped movies and DVD's ... they were nice shiny Marketing ... but not a good use of resources to manage the game.
So everything Smedley and his crew says is "It's not our fault, it's the design."
BULL!
It's your fault. You dropped the ball, kicked it into the mud, and buried it, but it's not the BALL's fault!!
The only way Smedley can be honest is to say "I did a bad job, we did a bad job, we should have been fired for it."
Yeah ..... not holding my breath on that one.
I do agree. IMO just hearing Smedley admitting the NGE was a mistake is a huge first step and him saying that, Smed may now have the attention of the alienated playerbase. I cannot speak for anyone else, but he has my attention, now lets see what he says next. And speaking of balls...(not that kind of balls) The preverbial ball is once again in Smeds court. He spoke something I never thought I would hear. I am still listening Mr. Smedley. Admitting the NGE was a mistake was a noble first step. And in the everyday act of walking, once you take the first step, you must go on to the next one or else you'll fall flat on your face. Smed spoke of the open to debate, but won't because all roads lead to the "rollback" card being played. Fine. No rollback. Just one classic server then. If they say they can't due to lack of code or they plain dont have it anymore, I'll call BS. Someone sure knows the code and knows how to get a server going.
Smed, you have the ball. I know you can take good step number 2. Give us what we all want. We want our game back, you want our money.
Originally posted by Osen Osen man I know what your saying and man, I would love that to happen... but listen, I have asked countless times and the right people even. They can't do it without losing more money. I WANT IT... but I fear we won't see it. Another game will be made I will think to fill this void. I also know that Mr. Smedley is not the only person calling the shots on this. Without detail you should be able to see that, I am not saying it can't happen, but I am saying in my field of I.T. this would be almost impossible due to all the original coders that left. Look, I lost alot of friends in the game too, I kept the close ones as we still play games together.. but it is what it is. The NGE is a failure, now all they can do is ride it out. I actually think business wise that is all you can do at this point of investment.
Yes i see and understand Smedley is not the only person calling the shots on this. And you may very well be correct about the business part.
But, the new subscriptions it would generate and to somewhat save their damaged reputation could generate money for them in the long run. It is probably just not enough for these two big companies to even care.
And its not the loosing of friends for me as i, like you, have contact with the ones i played most with. But now we dont have a damned good game to play anymore.
Osen man I know what your saying and man, I would love that to happen... but listen, I have asked countless times and the right people even. They can't do it without losing more money. I WANT IT... but I fear we won't see it. Another game will be made I will think to fill this void. I also know that Mr. Smedley is not the only person calling the shots on this. Without detail you should be able to see that, I am not saying it can't happen, but I am saying in my field of I.T. this would be almost impossible due to all the original coders that left. Look, I lost alot of friends in the game too, I kept the close ones as we still play games together.. but it is what it is. The NGE is a failure, now all they can do is ride it out. I actually think business wise that is all you can do at this point of investment.
Yes i see and understand Smedley is not the only person calling the shots on this. And you may very well be correct about the business part.
But, the new subscriptions it would generate and to somewhat save their damaged reputation could generate money for them in the long run. It is probably just not enough for these two big companies to even care.
And its not the loosing of friends for me as i, like you, have contact with the ones i played most with. But now we dont have a damned good game to play anymore.
I just don't think the thousands that left in utter disgust will come flocking back. I would have a really hard time trusting them again an many people feel the same.
This game will be part of the bumper bargain package of the station pass in my opinion. There just isn't going to be some great miracle patch classic server for a game of this age.
The resources for this game will dry up and the development an maintenance will be squeezed to a minimal level to keep it at least in the green.
Originally posted by iskareot If anything this might shut Tacola up with all his jibberish about the game yada yada... Please... you NGE spinners... Don't bother -- crap , this was a NGEr he emailed... I have no idea how this could be spun..lol I am fresh out of zings for the day on this one... due to Mr. Smedley just flat out telling Baron what he said to me. lol
Why should it shut Tracola up? He's not magically going to stop having fun with the game because of what Smedley said in his emails.
Originally posted by Tacola I have seen a number of people returning, yesterday my friends list was off the page for the first time since NGE hit!! The expertise trees need to come out faster, but they are differently helping the game IMHO. The crafting is still the best of all the MMORPG. With the trader revamp coming torward the end of this year, crafted goods will be back on par with loot. I think the game has made great improvements since last november when the NGE bomb hit. There is still alot of bitterness about what happened there. I feel their pain, I was full template jedi when it hit. If you left right after NGE I would say give it a try. It has changed a great deal since Pre-CU, CU and NGE first came out. But with target lock back and expertise trees, my Jedi is again a powerhouse. I have lost to a Bounty Hunter, but I am a tough kill. And the crafting experimentation itself was enough to make me come back. Recent experiences in the game have me liking it again. NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PAST but the present. This is still a very fun game to play, again IMHO. PVP , PVE , Space and crafting all still are here, and of course abunch of lightsabers, lol.
Wow, so they have introduced a crappy rip off of the World of Warcraft talent trees, for only two out of the nine professions. Crafting is the best, too bad since there is no decay on anything they are almost as useful as entertainers. They managed to bring back target lock, which people have been crying for since day one of the NGE. Also, don't buy into that talking about the future, not the past. This game had a good future once, and frankly, calling the NGE forward progress is like calling crap I just took better than the steak I ate yesterday.
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by iskareot If anything this might shut Tacola up with all his jibberish about the game yada yada... Please... you NGE spinners... Don't bother -- crap , this was a NGEr he emailed... I have no idea how this could be spun..lol I am fresh out of zings for the day on this one... due to Mr. Smedley just flat out telling Baron what he said to me. lol
Why should it shut Tracola up? He's not magically going to stop having fun with the game because of what Smedley said in his emails.
Nope but listen, I am done proving the NGE is a failure , was a failure and was a mistake. I think I pretty much proved my point and trust me when I say -- I was not kidding, I kept my word, I was not joking.
Now people got to see crap that maybe should have been posted in a better manner but so be it.
Obriak You cannot sell me this bag of goods, You cannot even sell it to the President of SOE... so dont even freaking bother in telling me the NGE is some great game.
The president of the company begs to differ, so do about 200k players I would think.
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Originally posted by Darklighter1 Originally posted by iskareot
Well that is not what I wanted to happen. You know Smedley hung himself out for me... at least know he is that kind of guy.
I think like he said, we will never know that all the calls were not made by him.
We all here loved our profs, (Chef/BIO Jedi Knight of the old ways..) Most of us lost our guilds, large and small, cities, but yes... your anger (that I now see) is what we are doing here.
Expressing it.
Today some things happend, Smedley stuck his nose out for the little guy in the grand scheme of things.. however you heard the truth more so loud and clear now.
I wish you chose a different path.. but so be it.
You have to admit, it is kinda cool Smedley responds and is honest when he can be, I give him that again.. I'm still pissed but I do give him that.
(Note:) No way in Hell can he say that on the SOE boards... not a chance in flaming Hell, the game would spiral I think so fast that he would be sued or crap even us maybe. Who knows..
None the less, I kept my word but it cost someone-- somthing.
I have gotton some emails and PMs already on this as I knew I would... Since these emails have been the most candid and honest words Smedley has said in a while. I guess he is trying to be positive about it now and move on.
Like he said he would like to join the debate, but hes right... Even myself would be asking for a roleback and that is being honest. (knowing it can't happen even).
Uh oh...sounds like the sheet hit the Ol Fan somewhere? Who lost what?
Well I used up a bullet that I would have rather saved for later if needed, but Baron I think really wanted to know more so of the truth.
As I have said before, this is not nor was the first email between us. I may have handled this wrong, who knows? -- But I can tell you that I give him respect today for not letting me hang.
He did say what he meant and he is right, he cannot debate this with anyone anymore, even I would be the first in line asking for a role back of some sorts... (So would 100k or more of people) --
He is (I bet) pretty wore out from this as any of us are. Baron found out in a way that I did... and let me tell you it sucks. You think it is great, but when you really hear it, you then say Well great I was right and he was wrong... now what do I have?
Nothing, the NGE is still a failure, the game is gone and your fun in it is lost. End of story.
(ALSO I will add, thanks for the PMS and emails guys, I really cannot post or send more info on these.. I feel what was posted is enough and pretty much says it all that needs to be seen. I think that if you cannot see what the NGE is from that then pretty much your not going to ever even when the game is long gone.
For what it's worth he is not a monster, although we want him to be I think he is still a guy that puts his pants on the same way I do.
He made a very bad mistake and trust me I think he is paying for it now.
Mike aka Isk
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Shayde I'm absolutely sure he's blocking my e-mail.
/resend under an alternate with a follow up e-mail.
At least he did not hang me out... he fessed up. Kinda sucks it went like that but so be it.
Maybe people will see it and then think twice next time before trying to defend the NGE.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by pirrg I like my star wars mmo. Do you like yours?
Lol, boy I bet you hated this thread...lol
Ruins alot of your banter pretty quick.
Hard to spin this one for you guys as I see...lol
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Tacola Rekrul, what are you talking about. I am a jedi so I told it from that point of view. It is you that needs to let go of the pass. It is still a good and fun game. It is people like you that cant accept the fact that it is a GAME, and it is fun. Except for a few sour pusses that need to be over looked, such as youself. Jedi and BH are the ones with expertise trees now, and I am a jedi. That is why they are mentioned. And yes Jedi is a startup profession now, get over it dog, and BH can hunt anyone that kills someone in PVP. Sooo did you have a point? Didnt think so. Every communtity has people that are griefers and you are being one now. As for the population, it has indeed increase on corbantis, at least from what my friends list and guild show. I just want people to try it and see for themselves and not take your or my word about it.
dude swg is a hunk of junk, with virtual miles of empty housing , ghost towns, and barren planetsoverun with npc's, i played for 2 years, on bria as well, its a shyt turd of a game that needs a good flushing!!!
Originally posted by Shayde This game will NEVER improve no matter how much they "fix" it because it's already dead. They're just prettying up the corpse.
How long have you been saying it's dead and yet still seems to live and breathe? I'm not saying anything about the game except that you were wrong Shayde and you're still wrong. Everything comes to an end, it's true, but this ship still happens to be sailing.
Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by Shayde This game will NEVER improve no matter how much they "fix" it because it's already dead. They're just prettying up the corpse.
How long have you been saying it's dead and yet still seems to live and breathe? I'm not saying anything about the game except that you were wrong Shayde and you're still wrong. Everything comes to an end, it's true, but this ship still happens to be sailing.
The ship is indeed still sailing, but the seas are rough, a storm in on the horizon, the keel is cracked, the vessel is listing to port, the hull is taking on water, the bilge pumps aren't working, and there's no booty in the hold.
Ar', matey!!
SWG Veteran and Refugee, Intrepid server NGE free as of Nov. 22, 2005 Now Playing: World of Warcrack Forum Terrorist
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You honestly, believe that I truly enjoy the NGE? You honestly believe that I enjoyed watching my profession (Smuggler) evaporate in uniqueness and skill and to watch my wifes dual profession (BE/CH) simply vanish over night? You think I enjoy a semmi-FPS over what we had?
You can't stop to think that maybe, just maybe there was another reason? Because I tell you there was....friends. I have developed friendships over the last three years on there. When the CU came out we lost a few in our guild (One of the oldest on Bloodfin). Ok we said we picked up ourselves resigned to our losses and moved on.
Then the NGE hit.
Over night this old guild went from 85 3 year vets to 2. Me and one other. Needless to say it has taken nearly
9 months to get back on our feet and slowly see the returnof some of our folks (6 so far).
No, I do not like the NGE. Never have, but I stayed because of my friends which are more precious to me than anything in this world. But after I show them what was said, our guild Copper Dune, may just evaporate for good and those friends will move on to other games. We may keep in touch, but it will never be the same again.
Well that is not what I wanted to happen. You know Smedley hung himself out for me... at least know he is that kind of guy.
I think like he said, we will never know that all the calls were not made by him.
We all here loved our profs, (Chef/BIO Jedi Knight of the old ways..) Most of us lost our guilds, large and small, cities, but yes... your anger (that I now see) is what we are doing here.
Expressing it.
Today some things happend, Smedley stuck his nose out for the little guy in the grand scheme of things.. however you heard the truth more so loud and clear now.
I wish you chose a different path.. but so be it.
You have to admit, it is kinda cool Smedley responds and is honest when he can be, I give him that again.. I'm still pissed but I do give him that.
(Note:) No way in Hell can he say that on the SOE boards... not a chance in flaming Hell, the game would spiral I think so fast that he would be sued or crap even us maybe. Who knows..
None the less, I kept my word but it cost someone-- somthing.
I have gotton some emails and PMs already on this as I knew I would... Since these emails have been the most candid and honest words Smedley has said in a while. I guess he is trying to be positive about it now and move on.
Like he said he would like to join the debate, but hes right... Even myself would be asking for a roleback and that is being honest. (knowing it can't happen even).
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
now now... this was a bad enough result page.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
HEY POP, yeah so I got called out on my credibility by this Baron Von ju ju bee guy...lol
HOW ARE YA?
Hope your well man... CCF FTW... I have those shots somewhere of us giving those white wooks Hell that day lol..
Haha, not bad here...
Givin that extree fi'teen dollur to the teevee preacher
HAHA man you kill me.
Alot of the guys are running around with me from my old crew still, we game hop but WoW, Empire is about all I play with NOW THE NEW Lego Star Wars II with my son..
Man, the first one rocked.. this one is even better... good Star Wars fun.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I do appreciate the bluntness of his letter and not PR spin. I will give him that much.
Look folks, if you want to play, by all means play. Let NO ONE on this or any other board tell you otherwise. Give it a shot and test it out for yourself. You may love it, you may not. You are your own best judge.
I have no time to express anger constantly over and over on daily basis on these boards. Its a waste of time to me, but if if some enjoy doing it then by all means let it fly. But I have noticed alot of really disgusting comments in here over the last few months, from both sides of the house, and there is NO reason for that. There is such a thing still as civility and common courtesy. There is no reason to resort to name calling and spiteful comments. Engage in debate. If you have facts show them to educate others, if its your opinion say so. But do not try to pass opinions and rumors off as fact. That will hurt your rep more than anything out in the real world.
I enjoy a good healthy debate and look forward to many more ahead on here and other boards.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
Osen man I know what your saying and man, I would love that to happen... but listen, I have asked countless times and the right people even.
They can't do it without losing more money. I WANT IT... but I fear we won't see it.
Another game will be made I will think to fill this void. I also know that Mr. Smedley is not the only person calling the shots on this.
Without detail you should be able to see that, I am not saying it can't happen, but I am saying in my field of I.T. this would be almost impossible due to all the original coders that left.
Look, I lost alot of friends in the game too, I kept the close ones as we still play games together.. but it is what it is.
The NGE is a failure, now all they can do is ride it out. I actually think business wise that is all you can do at this point of investment.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
But, the new subscriptions it would generate and to somewhat save their damaged reputation could generate money for them in the long run. It is probably just not enough for these two big companies to even care.
And its not the loosing of friends for me as i, like you, have contact with the ones i played most with. But now we dont have a damned good game to play anymore.
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I am the flipside of the coin on which the troll and the fanboy are but one side.
/resend under an alternate with a follow up e-mail.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Well that is not what I wanted to happen. You know Smedley hung himself out for me... at least know he is that kind of guy.
I think like he said, we will never know that all the calls were not made by him.
We all here loved our profs, (Chef/BIO Jedi Knight of the old ways..) Most of us lost our guilds, large and small, cities, but yes... your anger (that I now see) is what we are doing here.
Expressing it.
Today some things happend, Smedley stuck his nose out for the little guy in the grand scheme of things.. however you heard the truth more so loud and clear now.
I wish you chose a different path.. but so be it.
You have to admit, it is kinda cool Smedley responds and is honest when he can be, I give him that again.. I'm still pissed but I do give him that.
(Note:) No way in Hell can he say that on the SOE boards... not a chance in flaming Hell, the game would spiral I think so fast that he would be sued or crap even us maybe. Who knows..
None the less, I kept my word but it cost someone-- somthing.
I have gotton some emails and PMs already on this as I knew I would... Since these emails have been the most candid and honest words Smedley has said in a while. I guess he is trying to be positive about it now and move on.
Like he said he would like to join the debate, but hes right... Even myself would be asking for a roleback and that is being honest. (knowing it can't happen even).
Uh oh...sounds like the sheet hit the Ol Fan somewhere? Who lost what?
He isn't being honest, he is avoiding the debate. There is a difference. What reason does he have that instituting classic servers would lose money? Is it because he would have to pay LA for second MMO? If that is the case, he should say so.
He admits that if a debate occurs, it will result in an overwhelming response for either a rollback (which I don't think is a good idea) or the institution of classic servers (which I definately support). One would assume, from such a result that it would be profitable to set up classic servers or a rollback. Yet, he refuses to do that, and just states that it would lose money, without providing the reasons why.
Edit: After re-reading Smedley's quote, he doesn't actually mention classic servers, just a rollback. I wish he would engage in a debate regarding that, as I do not support a rollback and I agree that after 10 months, it is impractical.
They sold hundreds of thousands of customers SWG as a game in a specific genre with a specific feature set.
Then, they didn't manage it very well. And its quality was a disappointment. And people started to leave.
They could either admit they didn't manage it well, or claim the design was 'unmanageable'. They chose the latter, and then abruptly told customers they were no longer going to try to make the game that hundreds of thousands bought, not even really the same genre, and this was because the game they bought was 'unmanageable.'
What they really meant is "We can't manage it ... and we think the only way TO manage it is to have more coders with better skills who are more expensive. So, we've decided it's too expensive to deliver the product you bought, and we're going to cut our costs and deliver a different product to you. VERY different."
But this is disingenuous. They couldn't manage it because ..... they're just not very good at it. They wasted resources, ignored key problems, and went off all over the place designing expansions that did NOTHING to improve the product's problems. They hyped movies and DVD's ... they were nice shiny Marketing ... but not a good use of resources to manage the game.
So everything Smedley and his crew says is "It's not our fault, it's the design."
BULL!
It's your fault. You dropped the ball, kicked it into the mud, and buried it, but it's not the BALL's fault!!
The only way Smedley can be honest is to say "I did a bad job, we did a bad job, we should have been fired for it."
Yeah ..... not holding my breath on that one.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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And speaking of balls...(not that kind of balls) The preverbial ball is once again in Smeds court. He spoke something I never thought I would hear. I am still listening Mr. Smedley.
Admitting the NGE was a mistake was a noble first step. And in the everyday act of walking, once you take the first step, you must go on to the next one or else you'll fall flat on your face. Smed spoke of the open to debate, but won't because all roads lead to the "rollback" card being played. Fine. No rollback. Just one classic server then. If they say they can't due to lack of code or they plain dont have it anymore, I'll call BS. Someone sure knows the code and knows how to get a server going.
Smed, you have the ball. I know you can take good step number 2. Give us what we all want. We want our game back, you want our money.
But, the new subscriptions it would generate and to somewhat save their damaged reputation could generate money for them in the long run. It is probably just not enough for these two big companies to even care.
And its not the loosing of friends for me as i, like you, have contact with the ones i played most with. But now we dont have a damned good game to play anymore.
I just don't think the thousands that left in utter disgust will come flocking back. I would have a really hard time trusting them again an many people feel the same.
This game will be part of the bumper bargain package of the station pass in my opinion. There just isn't going to be some great miracle patch classic server for a game of this age.
The resources for this game will dry up and the development an maintenance will be squeezed to a minimal level to keep it at least in the green.
well thats my opinion anyway.
Nope but listen, I am done proving the NGE is a failure , was a failure and was a mistake. I think I pretty much proved my point and trust me when I say -- I was not kidding, I kept my word, I was not joking.
Now people got to see crap that maybe should have been posted in a better manner but so be it.
Obriak You cannot sell me this bag of goods, You cannot even sell it to the President of SOE... so dont even freaking bother in telling me the NGE is some great game.
The president of the company begs to differ, so do about 200k players I would think.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Well that is not what I wanted to happen. You know Smedley hung himself out for me... at least know he is that kind of guy.
I think like he said, we will never know that all the calls were not made by him.
We all here loved our profs, (Chef/BIO Jedi Knight of the old ways..) Most of us lost our guilds, large and small, cities, but yes... your anger (that I now see) is what we are doing here.
Expressing it.
Today some things happend, Smedley stuck his nose out for the little guy in the grand scheme of things.. however you heard the truth more so loud and clear now.
I wish you chose a different path.. but so be it.
You have to admit, it is kinda cool Smedley responds and is honest when he can be, I give him that again.. I'm still pissed but I do give him that.
(Note:) No way in Hell can he say that on the SOE boards... not a chance in flaming Hell, the game would spiral I think so fast that he would be sued or crap even us maybe. Who knows..
None the less, I kept my word but it cost someone-- somthing.
I have gotton some emails and PMs already on this as I knew I would... Since these emails have been the most candid and honest words Smedley has said in a while. I guess he is trying to be positive about it now and move on.
Like he said he would like to join the debate, but hes right... Even myself would be asking for a roleback and that is being honest. (knowing it can't happen even).
Uh oh...sounds like the sheet hit the Ol Fan somewhere? Who lost what?
Well I used up a bullet that I would have rather saved for later if needed, but Baron I think really wanted to know more so of the truth.
As I have said before, this is not nor was the first email between us. I may have handled this wrong, who knows? -- But I can tell you that I give him respect today for not letting me hang.
He did say what he meant and he is right, he cannot debate this with anyone anymore, even I would be the first in line asking for a role back of some sorts... (So would 100k or more of people) --
He is (I bet) pretty wore out from this as any of us are. Baron found out in a way that I did... and let me tell you it sucks. You think it is great, but when you really hear it, you then say Well great I was right and he was wrong... now what do I have?
Nothing, the NGE is still a failure, the game is gone and your fun in it is lost. End of story.
(ALSO I will add, thanks for the PMS and emails guys, I really cannot post or send more info on these.. I feel what was posted is enough and pretty much says it all that needs to be seen. I think that if you cannot see what the NGE is from that then pretty much your not going to ever even when the game is long gone.
For what it's worth he is not a monster, although we want him to be I think he is still a guy that puts his pants on the same way I do.
He made a very bad mistake and trust me I think he is paying for it now.
Mike aka Isk
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
At least he did not hang me out... he fessed up. Kinda sucks it went like that but so be it.
Maybe people will see it and then think twice next time before trying to defend the NGE.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Lol, boy I bet you hated this thread...lol
Ruins alot of your banter pretty quick.
Hard to spin this one for you guys as I see...lol
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
playing eq2 and two worlds
I think Tacola is just padding his post count - Isk has a far more logical and convincing argument.
'Nuff said.
SWG Veteran and Refugee, Intrepid server
NGE free as of Nov. 22, 2005
Now Playing: World of Warcrack
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How long have you been saying it's dead and yet still seems to live and breathe? I'm not saying anything about the game except that you were wrong Shayde and you're still wrong. Everything comes to an end, it's true, but this ship still happens to be sailing.
How long have you been saying it's dead and yet still seems to live and breathe? I'm not saying anything about the game except that you were wrong Shayde and you're still wrong. Everything comes to an end, it's true, but this ship still happens to be sailing.
The ship is indeed still sailing, but the seas are rough, a storm in on the horizon, the keel is cracked, the vessel is listing to port, the hull is taking on water, the bilge pumps aren't working, and there's no booty in the hold.
Ar', matey!!
SWG Veteran and Refugee, Intrepid server
NGE free as of Nov. 22, 2005
Now Playing: World of Warcrack
Forum Terrorist