Originally posted by iskareot You mean the 80% of the 1000 people that voted on the poll. I get so tired of everyone trying to twist that little fact. Edit: Missd a 0 on the 1000
Wait a second? Are you saying that only 100 people voted against the NGE? On the SOE boards????? Man, please say this is somthing else.
Nope I am saying that 1000 people voted on the site and 800 of them voted against the CU before SOE pulled the poll. They said they removed it due to abuse. You can beleive that or not I don't care.
FACT however is that the poll only got 1000 votes, and 800 of them were against the CU.
80% of the PLAYERBASE never voted against the CU on the web poll.
Oh no, I would have thought it was more actually. I remember the first version of the CU, it was not bad in beta-- it was like a mix of pre-CU and just some fixes.
The CU I tested was NOT what we got though.
I would say that there was 50k posts of people not wanting the CU or more actually.
(Maybe more even now that I think about it)
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Obraik Actually, 0% voted against it because they never had polls for the NGE, only the CU
Nice catch O, I missed that one and just saw the 100 instead of the 1000 on his post.
Two weeks notice kinda made that impossible I think though. Not to mention it was coming period.
But we all see how that went lol.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by iskareot No, but you see at one time a MMO or this game even was a INVESTMENT OF TIME and EFFORT.. it was more SIM based, this is gone so I will give you that. In other words, it would not matter if you lost a life, item or anyting I think more so now then ever. However, I am willing to bet that people find this game (Some at least) as a investment of thier gaming time. Go to the Jedi boards and read them... post that they will lose thier Jedi due to a game change and see what happens... YOU will then see what is considered a "investment" perse. This is not a FPS, capture the flag game, this was a game that you would grow in over time. Well they took 90% of that out. It is less SIM and more GO GO GO... so I guess it is less of a investment in that respect.
I never went for Jedi pre-NGE, so I was never commited to that "investment". Yes, I spent time going for many uber items pre-nge and pre-cu but by now those items would have been long decayed and rendered useless (I believed in using what I spent time getting) and I would have had to go out and buy/loot new versions at least a few times by now.
Originally posted by iskareot You mean the 80% of the 1000 people that voted on the poll. I get so tired of everyone trying to twist that little fact. Edit: Missd a 0 on the 1000
Wait a second? Are you saying that only 100 people voted against the NGE? On the SOE boards????? Man, please say this is somthing else.
Nope I am saying that 1000 people voted on the site and 800 of them voted against the CU before SOE pulled the poll. They said they removed it due to abuse. You can beleive that or not I don't care.
FACT however is that the poll only got 1000 votes, and 800 of them were against the CU.
80% of the PLAYERBASE never voted against the CU on the web poll.
A majority of the complaints against the CU had to do with its readiness to be launched. My primary complaint against the NGE was it wasn't ready to be launched. Poll or no poll its hard for anyone to disagree with my statements.
You want to enjoy swg fine. Just know you are supporting horrible corporate ethics in gaming by doing so. You basically spit on everyone who feels cheated and lied to by soe.
Originally posted by haxxjoo Originally posted by Fadeus
Originally posted by iskareot You mean the 80% of the 1000 people that voted on the poll. I get so tired of everyone trying to twist that little fact. Edit: Missd a 0 on the 1000
Wait a second? Are you saying that only 100 people voted against the NGE? On the SOE boards????? Man, please say this is somthing else.
Nope I am saying that 1000 people voted on the site and 800 of them voted against the CU before SOE pulled the poll. They said they removed it due to abuse. You can beleive that or not I don't care.
FACT however is that the poll only got 1000 votes, and 800 of them were against the CU.
80% of the PLAYERBASE never voted against the CU on the web poll.
A majority of the complaints against the CU had to do with its readiness to be launched. My primary complaint against the NGE was it wasn't ready to be launched. Poll or no poll its hard for anyone to disagree with my statements.
You want to enjoy swg fine. Just know you are supporting horrible corporate ethics in gaming by doing so. You basically spit on everyone who feels cheated and lied to by soe.
There's always a group that says something like this about any company. If we listened to these sort of statements then we'd have no power, no water, no phone, etc just so we can "stick it to the man".
Originally posted by nthnaoun Originally posted by Shayde Smed and the execs stating it is a failure just justifies ALL I said since they decided to push the CU.... the nge.
Justifies the over 80% polled that the nge sucks and to not do it.
Justifies the over 10k signatures on the e-petition saying "give us our game back"
Justifies what we've been talking about for the past 10 months.
One big giant I TOLD YOU SO.
But here is the problem. A lot of the NGE players wouldn't argue with what you have said. So I TOLD YOU SO really doesn't apply to them. They already knew that the NGE is a failure to SOE and compared to Pre-CU, but what I am saying is, people are still playing because it is fun to them. That is a good enough reason to play. It doesn't matter how right you are or how wrong Obraik is or whatever, because fun justifies playing the NGE. If people that play it are having fun, then who cares. Let them have fun and quit rubbing the shit in their face. It is childish. Aren't you all supposed to be the mature Pre-CU community? Than quit rubbing it in peoples faces like a child.
Who is talking to the nge players???
They're beyond saving... it's the $OE bastards we're yelling at.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by haxxjoo Originally posted by Fadeus
Originally posted by iskareot You mean the 80% of the 1000 people that voted on the poll. I get so tired of everyone trying to twist that little fact. Edit: Missd a 0 on the 1000
Wait a second? Are you saying that only 100 people voted against the NGE? On the SOE boards????? Man, please say this is somthing else.
Nope I am saying that 1000 people voted on the site and 800 of them voted against the CU before SOE pulled the poll. They said they removed it due to abuse. You can beleive that or not I don't care.
FACT however is that the poll only got 1000 votes, and 800 of them were against the CU.
80% of the PLAYERBASE never voted against the CU on the web poll.
A majority of the complaints against the CU had to do with its readiness to be launched. My primary complaint against the NGE was it wasn't ready to be launched. Poll or no poll its hard for anyone to disagree with my statements.
You want to enjoy swg fine. Just know you are supporting horrible corporate ethics in gaming by doing so. You basically spit on everyone who feels cheated and lied to by soe.
There's always a group that says something like this about any company. If we listened to these sort of statements then we'd have no power, no water, no phone, etc just so we can "stick it to the man".
The difference is EVERYONE is saying what soe did with the NGE was wrong. Not just me and my wacko friends.
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by haxxjoo A majority of the complaints against the CU had to do with its readiness to be launched. My primary complaint against the NGE was it wasn't ready to be launched. Poll or no poll its hard for anyone to disagree with my statements. You want to enjoy swg fine. Just know you are supporting horrible corporate ethics in gaming by doing so. You basically spit on everyone who feels cheated and lied to by soe.
There's always a group that says something like this about any company. If we listened to these sort of statements then we'd have no power, no water, no phone, etc just so we can "stick it to the man".
And there is always a group that says, "everyone else does it, why should I complain?" So who is right, the sheep or those that try to encourage a change?
I will respond to each sentence as I go. That way you can follow my thought pattern and visa versa.
Originally posted by iskareot While I understand what your saying, I also know that since you DO NOT OWN SWG and it is a rented play time perse, that is different then a game you own or keep. I agree on this. I don't see how it is relevant to this subject, but I will read on to see if you clarify yourself. So while sure even the president, SOE and the execs say this is a failure and should not have ever happend, a mistake etc.. THIS ALSO should play a role in your investment and time spent, also noteworthy time with the game etc.. I fail to understand why a persons opinion should keep me from playing a game if I find it fun. Playing an online game may be an investment to some people, but not to me. I'm the person who has deleted several maxed out characters in DAoC, which took months and months and years to create, just so I can do something new. The way I look at it is this way; if I am having fun at that moment, than at that moment I am not wasting my time. So if SOE was to cancel the game completely and wipe out all of my work to date, it would not bother me, because I had fun every single moment up until the cancelation and I will just find something new to have fun with. Gaming is not my life, it's just a hobby. This is not jumping ship, this is just flat out being smart. If you think that this is some sort of a game that you can choose the destiny of it your wrong, as proven now by SOE of course. Destiny? This is a game. Although I may make long lasting friends, spend a year or more creating an online persona, it still does not change the fact that this is a game. My real destiny lies in my real life, not on a computer screen. Thinking for yourself does include common sense with value in a product. In short, if your told a product is bad and is a failure, or a mistake... odds are your common sense kicks in and you think twice about buying it. You're right, I would not buy this game if I heard from the Executives that this game is a failure. Instead I would buy another game. But most that play this game already have an account. Fifteen dollars is not much in this day and age and SWG does offer $15 worth of fun in one month, depending on your taste in games and fun. This is not (A choice) this is just common sense choices made over all. This is not a "what everyone else is doing deal".. this is just good ole' common sense. This has nothing to do with the game though. Common sense tells me that if a game is fun and if I like it, to play it until it is no longer fun and I don't like it. No amount of words coming from ANYONE can change that. BUT HEY, as I have said before.. it takes all kinds of people in the world. Crap there is people that think that Osama is nice, Saddam is fair and the space shuttle is fake. I can tell you this though, if this info had came out/or was said 3 months after the NGE launched or closer to the 6 month mark I would be willing to be that less people would even be playing now. I have yet to hear or read of what you are saying, so I do not believe it to be true. All I read was that some of the higher ups said at a conference that they don't want other companies to make the same mistake they did with the NGE. That mistake is alienating your current subscriber base by implementing huge changes to a game for another audience who isn't paying right now. No where have I read that they said that the NGE was a failure or was a bad game. But common sense and looking at numbers tells me that the NGE is a failure in 2 aspects. One being the amount of new players that SOE wanted the NGE to bring in, which it didn't, so they failed in that one. Two being the increase in profit that the NGE would have brought, which they actually had a decrease in profit, so this was a failure too. So common sense tells me, without SOE Execs saying so, that the NGE was a failure on at least 2 accounts. But I still have not see or have had a link provided where Smed himself said that the NGE was a failure and that the NGE sucks.
Knowing that thier game investment time is not worth much, or could change now at the drop of a dime more so now then before. What this should do is nothing more then warn anyone wanting to jump in now, showing them what is thought of the game, showing them what they makers of it think and then give them a idea of the games promise and future. I think it's safe to say... after those comments, you just have to use common sense on that. Be glad this is not a medical firm or company lol.
Originally posted by KenshuAni Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by haxxjoo A majority of the complaints against the CU had to do with its readiness to be launched. My primary complaint against the NGE was it wasn't ready to be launched. Poll or no poll its hard for anyone to disagree with my statements. You want to enjoy swg fine. Just know you are supporting horrible corporate ethics in gaming by doing so. You basically spit on everyone who feels cheated and lied to by soe.
There's always a group that says something like this about any company. If we listened to these sort of statements then we'd have no power, no water, no phone, etc just so we can "stick it to the man".
And there is always a group that says, "everyone else does it, why should I complain?" So who is right, the sheep or those that try to encourage a change? Either way you lose. Avoid them and you're taking cold sponge baths in the dark. Don't avoid them and you support "evil".
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by KenshuAni Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by haxxjoo A majority of the complaints against the CU had to do with its readiness to be launched. My primary complaint against the NGE was it wasn't ready to be launched. Poll or no poll its hard for anyone to disagree with my statements. You want to enjoy swg fine. Just know you are supporting horrible corporate ethics in gaming by doing so. You basically spit on everyone who feels cheated and lied to by soe.
There's always a group that says something like this about any company. If we listened to these sort of statements then we'd have no power, no water, no phone, etc just so we can "stick it to the man".
And there is always a group that says, "everyone else does it, why should I complain?" So who is right, the sheep or those that try to encourage a change? Either way you lose. Avoid them and you're taking cold sponge baths in the dark. Don't avoid them and you support "evil".
You pick the issues that you deem worthwhile. I've never been cheated by my power company (I don't live in California) so I have no issues with them. If I have a bad customer service experience in a grocery store, I write a letter to the manager and stop shopping there unless the manager does something to change my mind.
Of course, this is all based on individual choices, some people think that it is all right for a gaming company to completely change an existing product and push a new, unfinished product on subscribers. Or at least they aren't concerned enough to voice their opinions. Other people think differently and do not want to see a company that treats their customers like this to profit from it.
The strategy I take in this is to make certain that I voice my opinion against these practices as much as I can. Until SOE makes it up to their customers, and no simple acknowledgement of the mistake is sufficient. I expect an action to be made. An intorduction of classic servers with pre-NGE code, would be enough to get me to stop complaining.
You pick the issues that you deem worthwhile. I've never been cheated by my power company (I don't live in California) so I have no issues with them. If I have a bad customer service experience in a grocery store, I write a letter to the manager and stop shopping there unless the manager does something to change my mind. Of course, this is all based on individual choices, some people think that it is all right for a gaming company to completely change an existing product and push a new, unfinished product on subscribers. Or at least they aren't concerned enough to voice their opinions. Other people think differently and do not want to see a company that treats their customers like this to profit from it. The strategy I take in this is to make certain that I voice my opinion against these practices as much as I can. Until SOE makes it up to their customers, and no simple acknowledgement of the mistake is sufficient. I expect an action to be made. An intorduction of classic servers with pre-NGE code, would be enough to get me to stop complaining.
That's pretty much what I'm trying to say If the issues others are having doesn't affect your experience with a company then it's not up to you to stop using the companies services to support those peoples ideas.
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by KenshuAni
You pick the issues that you deem worthwhile. I've never been cheated by my power company (I don't live in California) so I have no issues with them. If I have a bad customer service experience in a grocery store, I write a letter to the manager and stop shopping there unless the manager does something to change my mind. Of course, this is all based on individual choices, some people think that it is all right for a gaming company to completely change an existing product and push a new, unfinished product on subscribers. Or at least they aren't concerned enough to voice their opinions. Other people think differently and do not want to see a company that treats their customers like this to profit from it. The strategy I take in this is to make certain that I voice my opinion against these practices as much as I can. Until SOE makes it up to their customers, and no simple acknowledgement of the mistake is sufficient. I expect an action to be made. An intorduction of classic servers with pre-NGE code, would be enough to get me to stop complaining.
That's pretty much what I'm trying to say If the issues others are having doesn't affect your experience with a company then it's not up to you to stop using the companies services to support those peoples ideas.
That's fair. I don't ask others to stop playing the game if they enjoy it. I just do not like it if someone wishes to supress my opinions by silencing me.
Originally posted by haxxjoo A majority of the complaints against the CU had to do with its readiness to be launched. My primary complaint against the NGE was it wasn't ready to be launched. Poll or no poll its hard for anyone to disagree with my statements. You want to enjoy swg fine. Just know you are supporting horrible corporate ethics in gaming by doing so. You basically spit on everyone who feels cheated and lied to by soe.
Whatever Hax. You are still in that twisted little reality of yours and your point has absolutely zero to do with my point. It's getting real obvious you just want to try to get a dig now whenever you can. After all the last time it was you that trying to flame me for pulling off topic with the discussion and trying to "correct" it. So perhaps you should take some of your own advice.
End of discussion, debate with you is pointless. Take your own advice in the future.
- Scaris
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Originally posted by KenshuAni Until SOE makes it up to their customers, and no simple acknowledgement of the mistake is sufficient. I expect an action to be made. An intorduction of classic servers with pre-NGE code, would be enough to get me to stop complaining.
Apologies are fine and all, but I'm still waiting on the restitution.
Originally posted by haxxjoo A majority of the complaints against the CU had to do with its readiness to be launched. My primary complaint against the NGE was it wasn't ready to be launched. Poll or no poll its hard for anyone to disagree with my statements. You want to enjoy swg fine. Just know you are supporting horrible corporate ethics in gaming by doing so. You basically spit on everyone who feels cheated and lied to by soe.
Whatever Hax. You are still in that twisted little reality of yours and your point has absolutely zero to do with my point. It's getting real obvious you just want to try to get a dig now whenever you can. After all the last time it was you that trying to flame me for pulling off topic with the discussion and trying to "correct" it. So perhaps you should take some of your own advice.
End of discussion, debate with you is pointless. Take your own advice in the future.
Seriously Fad, how dare you enjoy a game, it's like... like... like your slapping me .
Just poking at you Hax but seriously though, thats a little much don't you think, I mean I certainly think the SWG Dev/Production team was more then a little dishonest with me and I most defanitely feel cheated but I don't hold a grudge against anyone that still plays the game and has fun. Quite the opposite acutally, I'm really happy for anyone still enjoying the game, any game for that matter.
Just making sure you know, that's a pretty brode stroke you swung there.
Originally posted by Shayde Smed and the execs stating it is a failure just justifies ALL I said since they decided to push the CU.... the nge.Justifies the over 80% polled that the nge sucks and to not do it.Justifies the over 10k signatures on the e-petition saying "give us our game back"Justifies what we've been talking about for the past 10 months.One big giant I TOLD YOU SO.
You mean the 80% of the 1000 people that voted on the poll. I get so tired of everyone trying to twist that little fact.
Edit: Missd a 0 on the 1000
That was a poll that they reset DAILY with the same result each day. Over 1000 votes each day, and only one vote per account.
Who is twisting what here?
And yes.. there WAS an NGE poll too. After the first few days of "this blows" it changed to a "what feature do you like most" thing.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by nthnaoun I will respond to each sentence as I go. That way you can follow my thought pattern and visa versa.
Originally posted by iskareot While I understand what your saying, I also know that since you DO NOT OWN SWG and it is a rented play time perse, that is different then a game you own or keep. I agree on this. I don't see how it is relevant to this subject, but I will read on to see if you clarify yourself. So while sure even the president, SOE and the execs say this is a failure and should not have ever happend, a mistake etc.. THIS ALSO should play a role in your investment and time spent, also noteworthy time with the game etc.. I fail to understand why a persons opinion should keep me from playing a game if I find it fun. Playing an online game may be an investment to some people, but not to me. I'm the person who has deleted several maxed out characters in DAoC, which took months and months and years to create, just so I can do something new. The way I look at it is this way; if I am having fun at that moment, than at that moment I am not wasting my time. So if SOE was to cancel the game completely and wipe out all of my work to date, it would not bother me, because I had fun every single moment up until the cancelation and I will just find something new to have fun with. Gaming is not my life, it's just a hobby. This is not jumping ship, this is just flat out being smart. If you think that this is some sort of a game that you can choose the destiny of it your wrong, as proven now by SOE of course. Destiny? This is a game. Although I may make long lasting friends, spend a year or more creating an online persona, it still does not change the fact that this is a game. My real destiny lies in my real life, not on a computer screen. Thinking for yourself does include common sense with value in a product. In short, if your told a product is bad and is a failure, or a mistake... odds are your common sense kicks in and you think twice about buying it. You're right, I would not buy this game if I heard from the Executives that this game is a failure. Instead I would buy another game. But most that play this game already have an account. Fifteen dollars is not much in this day and age and SWG does offer $15 worth of fun in one month, depending on your taste in games and fun. This is not (A choice) this is just common sense choices made over all. This is not a "what everyone else is doing deal".. this is just good ole' common sense. This has nothing to do with the game though. Common sense tells me that if a game is fun and if I like it, to play it until it is no longer fun and I don't like it. No amount of words coming from ANYONE can change that. BUT HEY, as I have said before.. it takes all kinds of people in the world. Crap there is people that think that Osama is nice, Saddam is fair and the space shuttle is fake. I can tell you this though, if this info had came out/or was said 3 months after the NGE launched or closer to the 6 month mark I would be willing to be that less people would even be playing now. I have yet to hear or read of what you are saying, so I do not believe it to be true. All I read was that some of the higher ups said at a conference that they don't want other companies to make the same mistake they did with the NGE. That mistake is alienating your current subscriber base by implementing huge changes to a game for another audience who isn't paying right now. No where have I read that they said that the NGE was a failure or was a bad game. But common sense and looking at numbers tells me that the NGE is a failure in 2 aspects. One being the amount of new players that SOE wanted the NGE to bring in, which it didn't, so they failed in that one. Two being the increase in profit that the NGE would have brought, which they actually had a decrease in profit, so this was a failure too. So common sense tells me, without SOE Execs saying so, that the NGE was a failure on at least 2 accounts. But I still have not see or have had a link provided where Smed himself said that the NGE was a failure and that the NGE sucks.
Knowing that thier game investment time is not worth much, or could change now at the drop of a dime more so now then before. What this should do is nothing more then warn anyone wanting to jump in now, showing them what is thought of the game, showing them what they makers of it think and then give them a idea of the games promise and future. I think it's safe to say... after those comments, you just have to use common sense on that. Be glad this is not a medical firm or company lol.
Read back through this thread.
have a look at what Smedley said. You may not like it, but you asked. Also I have had more dialog with him and by all means if you think it's fake.. you too can email him like Barron and others did to show that for the last time he flat out calls it a failure. Plain and simple in text and in several aspects.
I understand you use fun over common sense, this is where the SIM players and logic are different with the NGE player base. We all know this, no big deal. I look at the game as somthing to grow.. not somthing to lose and know it can happen any second.
I like to have a bit of success, promise and hope that a game will last more then X amount of time and not be a joke to the rest of the gaming world in the respect it draws people in other then to show them... it's a mess and a mistake that nobody should make.
Smedley replied, I got called out on it... I let Mr. Smedley explain it to the NGEr himself.
I just like to invest my time in somthing that has promise and is revered as such. Not a "Mistake" -- but hey..lol thats me.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by iskareot Smedley replied, I got called out on it... I let Mr. Smedley explain it to the NGEr himself.
You know, I think I have been pretty civil in this thread with you and expected you to do the same. Apparently I had too high a hope. You continue to berate and belittle players of this game no matter what. Is this some sort of self assurance for you to do this? Do you pride yourself on childish name calling? I stated quite clearly earlier that I was and am not a fan of the NGE...then you go right around and say that.
Yes, Smedley said what he did to you, me and others I'm sure. Some folks don't care. Some folks like the game and where its going. Why do you insist on ridiculing them? Let it go man.
SOE didn't listen to their vets and they are paying for it. It is not the players on here or any other boards fault, its the developers and executives, plain and simple. Focus the berating on them, not these folks.
Somehow folks have gotten it in their heads that a bad decision toward a customer or customer(s) should automatically be a reason to boycott. If that was the case we would get no where in life. I was screwed for a good amount of money from XBox. I filed a complaint and am will not buy XBox products anymore.
Did I go on forums and berate and belittle folks that still enjoy XBox? No.
Do I think that folks that play XBox support those kind of business practices? No.
But, if folks ask me about XBox and what I think I tell them my experience. They can decide for themselves what is best for them.
Really Iskareot, i understand your anger and sense of loss, but their is no reason to act like this over a game. Lesson learned for you and the rest of us vets. Pick up the pieces and move on.
This goes the same for folks on both sides. If you love it great, don't come in here to smear it in the faces of folks that left. Talk about what you like and don't like and respect each others opinions.
Its just a game folks.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
Originally posted by BaronJuJu Originally posted by iskareot Smedley replied, I got called out on it... I let Mr. Smedley explain it to the NGEr himself.
You know, I think I have been pretty civil in this thread with you and expected you to do the same. Apparently I had too high a hope. You continue to berate and belittle players of this game no matter what. Is this some sort of self assurance for you to do this? Do you pride yourself on childish name calling? I stated quite clearly earlier that I was and am not a fan of the NGE...then you go right around and say that.
Yes, Smedley said what he did to you, me and others I'm sure. Some folks don't care. Some folks like the game and where its going. Why do you insist on ridiculing them? Let it go man.
SOE didn't listen to their vets and they are paying for it. It is not the players on here or any other boards fault, its the developers and executives, plain and simple. Focus the berating on them, not these folks.
Somehow folks have gotten it in their heads that a bad decision toward a customer or customer(s) should automatically be a reason to boycott. If that was the case we would get no where in life. I was screwed for a good amount of money from XBox. I filed a complaint and am will not buy XBox products anymore.
Did I go on forums and berate and belittle folks that still enjoy XBox? No.
Do I think that folks that play XBox support those kind of business practices? No.
But, if folks ask me about XBox and what I think I tell them my experience. They can decide for themselves what is best for them.
Really Iskareot, i understand your anger and sense of loss, but their is no reason to act like this over a game. Lesson learned for you and the rest of us vets. Pick up the pieces and move on.
This goes the same for folks on both sides. If you love it great, don't come in here to smear it in the faces of folks that left. Talk about what you like and don't like and respect each others opinions.
Its just a game folks.
(OH and as for the NGEr comment, sorry -- when you starting calling me out-- you defended the game and NGE as it seemed very much so)... then later as I read you did say you did not like and did lose alot because of the NGE etc.. so that comment was made more in a past tense way more or less. You came across as a defender of the NGE thats for sure.. until I read later on. SO I am sorry for the belated comment as such.)
Yes I understand this.. but at the same time -- with this same people that try to tell people that this game has promise or is considered a success, I feel the need to make sure people see what is the truth.
Not some guy saying "Oh the NGE is great and we have tons of people flocking back etc.." ---
I did not call anyone names, now then.. berating the current playerbase??? Damn right I am.. I will be clear here... VERY CLEAR.. this current player base is by all means sub-par. They accept a crappy product, missleadings still, also not to mention buy into a product that is a failure without consideration. If anything when they spew how good or great the NGE is, while the president of the company tells us otherwise I think that is missleading.
While I see what your saying "smearing" it in anyones face at this point is almost a joke. DO NOT forget these are the same people (NGErs) that tried to tell us that the game is great and doing well...and going to be the best thing.. etc.. SO I admit it feels good to show them they were and are wrong at the same time I cannot feel bad for them. At this point being candid and nice about it is a waste of time. I rather tell them how it is percieved from the company itself each time they percieve it as some good product.
After thinking about it, a boycott may have been the answer a long time ago. Now as you know, this games days are numbered. As far as I am concearned for each post from someone about how the NGE is good in any fashion I hope that somone is there to rebuttle it with comments made from the makers themselves of how the GAME REALLY IS.
Being civil is one thing, telling people like it is might be rough, sure it may make the current player base look like fools buying into a product that even it's own company does not support perse.. (As stated clearly to you now and others).. to me this is a matter of stating the obvious. I do not need to call people names to show this whatsoever.
You assumed or are confusing the fact I think that the people playing this version of the game are wise or for that matter have a sense of self respect. Sure it's a game but someone is paying for it.. if people pay for this type of product then OTHER COMPANIES AND THIS ONE will continue to get away with putting out this crappy or sub-par prodcut all the time.
I would sell 1 acre of swamp land to these people if they are willing to pay 500k each for it, and continue to do so if they contiuned to pay for it. SOE is no different, if they continue to pay for it, they will continue to sell it until the profit is not there.
Think about it... Over the last week, the Producers, The President of the company said this is a failure, a mistake and while the intent was good... it went wrong and was a bad idea. The current version of this game is a FAILURE -- period. Stated clear.. Yet if people somehow think this is "OK" then please do not make excuses for them not to be somewhat expressed as sub-par.
I'ts funny, some people that say "It's just a game" are ok with it -- until you tell them to delete thier Jedi to prove that...lol Try it..lol , good luck with that one.
I see what your saying, but sorry.. it is what it is.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by iskareot I did not call anyone names, now then.. berating the current playerbase??? Damn right I am.. I will be clear here... VERY CLEAR.. this current player base is by all means sub-par. They accept a crappy product, missleadings still, also not to mention buy into a product that is a failure without consideration. If anything when they spew how good or great the NGE is, while the president of the company tells us otherwise I think that is missleading.
Heh, how is this any different to any other version of the game? Smedley also said that Pre-cu was a failure too (hence the CU and then the NGE). Pre-cu was full of constant promises that never came true, patches that broke as many things as it fixed, patches that would boost a profession one month only for another to nerf it the next, etc etc. People posted all over forums that the game sucked, was a failure, etc etc. People have necro'd a few of these posts on these forums. You ain't that different to those of us playing now
have a look at what Smedley said. You may not like it, but you asked. Also I have had more dialog with him and by all means if you think it's fake.. you too can email him like Barron and others did to show that for the last time he flat out calls it a failure. Plain and simple in text and in several aspects.
I understand you use fun over common sense, this is where the SIM players and logic are different with the NGE player base. We all know this, no big deal. I look at the game as somthing to grow.. not somthing to lose and know it can happen any second.
I like to have a bit of success, promise and hope that a game will last more then X amount of time and not be a joke to the rest of the gaming world in the respect it draws people in other then to show them... it's a mess and a mistake that nobody should make.
Smedley replied, I got called out on it... I let Mr. Smedley explain it to the NGEr himself.
I just like to invest my time in somthing that has promise and is revered as such. Not a "Mistake" -- but hey..lol thats me.
Just because a person can find fun in places you cannot, does not mean we didn't like the Pre-Cu for the same reasons you did. Nor does it mean we wouldn't prefer a SIMs type game than the NGE. I really do not think it is fair of you to say otherwise.
If you like SIMS so much, than why don't you go buy SIMS Online, THERE, or Second Life and be happy? I think you probably mean that you like the sandbox nature and the social feel of Pre-CU. SIMS type games have no combat what-so-ever and from what you've told us, you had a Jedi, so you obviously don't just want the SIMS part of the game. That is fine, but that really just clasifies you as a person who likes sanbox, skill-based progression, full player economy, combat/social game. Many people like those types of games and arguments are started over it almost everyday on the main forums.
iskareot. bro I havent laugh so hard at anyone that has posted in any fourm as I have you. You my friend are a SWG want to be. Otherwise why keep posting. Or is it your one man cursade to spout lies and misdirect people from the truth?
Please rebut these facts:
1) Smed said NGE and the way it was implemented was a mistake, not the changes since are the current direction the game is taken -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no quote please )
2) Just because I find SWG in its current state, the most fun of the MMORPGS I have played namely; EQ,EQ2, FFIX, COH/COV, WOW, EVE, SOR and Horizon, doesnt mean I find it more fun that Pre-CU or even CU. Is it possible for someone else to have an opinion that differs from yours? --- CORRECT or NO ?
3) Besides SWG, which MMORPG offers PVP and PVE in space and ground, while offering intense crafting which includes multi-stated resources, experimentation, harvestors, factories and 24/7 player owned NPC vendors? There isnt one. -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no please give names )
And as you always do, here comes baseless dribble and the endless spouting of opinionate lies which dont relate to anything I have posted here.
Originally posted by iskareot (OH and as for the NGEr comment, sorry -- when you starting calling me out-- you defended the game and NGE as it seemed very much so)... then later as I read you did say you did not like and did lose alot because of the NGE etc.. so that comment was made more in a past tense way more or less. You came across as a defender of the NGE thats for sure.. until I read later on. SO I am sorry for the belated comment as such.)
Yes I understand this.. but at the same time -- with this same people that try to tell people that this game has promise or is considered a success, I feel the need to make sure people see what is the truth.
Not some guy saying "Oh the NGE is great and we have tons of people flocking back etc.." ---
I did not call anyone names, now then.. berating the current playerbase??? Damn right I am.. I will be clear here... VERY CLEAR.. this current player base is by all means sub-par. They accept a crappy product, missleadings still, also not to mention buy into a product that is a failure without consideration. If anything when they spew how good or great the NGE is, while the president of the company tells us otherwise I think that is missleading.
While I see what your saying "smearing" it in anyones face at this point is almost a joke. DO NOT forget these are the same people (NGErs) that tried to tell us that the game is great and doing well...and going to be the best thing.. etc.. SO I admit it feels good to show them they were and are wrong at the same time I cannot feel bad for them. At this point being candid and nice about it is a waste of time. I rather tell them how it is percieved from the company itself each time they percieve it as some good product.
After thinking about it, a boycott may have been the answer a long time ago. Now as you know, this games days are numbered. As far as I am concearned for each post from someone about how the NGE is good in any fashion I hope that somone is there to rebuttle it with comments made from the makers themselves of how the GAME REALLY IS.
Being civil is one thing, telling people like it is might be rough, sure it may make the current player base look like fools buying into a product that even it's own company does not support perse.. (As stated clearly to you now and others).. to me this is a matter of stating the obvious. I do not need to call people names to show this whatsoever.
You assumed or are confusing the fact I think that the people playing this version of the game are wise or for that matter have a sense of self respect. Sure it's a game but someone is paying for it.. if people pay for this type of product then OTHER COMPANIES AND THIS ONE will continue to get away with putting out this crappy or sub-par prodcut all the time.
I would sell 1 acre of swamp land to these people if they are willing to pay 500k each for it, and continue to do so if they contiuned to pay for it. SOE is no different, if they continue to pay for it, they will continue to sell it until the profit is not there.
Think about it... Over the last week, the Producers, The President of the company said this is a failure, a mistake and while the intent was good... it went wrong and was a bad idea. The current version of this game is a FAILURE -- period. Stated clear.. Yet if people somehow think this is "OK" then please do not make excuses for them not to be somewhat expressed as sub-par.
I'ts funny, some people that say "It's just a game" are ok with it -- until you tell them to delete thier Jedi to prove that...lol Try it..lol , good luck with that one.
I see what your saying, but sorry.. it is what it is.
NEVER is it okay to belittle others...NEVER. But you are flaming people, which is against the rules of this forum, over and over again, even when asked to quit and you have no problem with it.
Well, if anything, you have made yourself unagreeable to the current playerbase and the Pre-CU playerbase are starting to shun you. You really need to chill out and let people be. Almost everything is subject to opinion and if someone thinks that the NGE is better than the Pre-CU, their opinion means no less than yours.
The burden of proof on whether or not Smed said this game is a failure is on you. You made the comment, not us. What we read in articles is that he said it was a mistake to push the NGE forward and alienate the old playerbase. Well...duh! Any NGEer as you put it, would agree with that. But never have I heard him say that the NGE is a failure or the the NGE is a worst game. I'm not saying the NGE isn't a failure, because it did fail to meet the expectations that Smed had for it, but whether or not the NGE is a worse game is just opinion and everyone has an opinion and none are above another.
For now on I will report every single post that you are flaming other people in. I hope others will join me in this, because the forums do not belong to people like you, they belong to people who follow the rules.
Originally posted by nthnaoun The burden of proof on whether or not Smed said this game is a failure is on you. You made the comment, not us. What we read in articles is that he said it was a mistake to push the NGE forward and alienate the old playerbase. Well...duh! He is only stating the obvious and the numbers of the current player population and the profits they are getting prove it. But never have I heard him say that the NGE is a failure or the the NGE is a worst game. Of course, we all know that the NGE is a failure, because the profits and numbers prove it. But whether or not the NGE is a worse game is just opinion and everyone has an opinion and none are above another.
Smed said the nge wasn't "Near fun right now". He has yet to retract that statement.
He said the NGE was a mistake and "if he had it to do over, he wouldn't have done it"
Where is this getting lost in translation? He said he wouldn't have done it AT ALL.. not that he would have communicated better... AT ALL.
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Nope I am saying that 1000 people voted on the site and 800 of them voted against the CU before SOE pulled the poll. They said they removed it due to abuse. You can beleive that or not I don't care.
FACT however is that the poll only got 1000 votes, and 800 of them were against the CU.
80% of the PLAYERBASE never voted against the CU on the web poll.
Oh no, I would have thought it was more actually. I remember the first version of the CU, it was not bad in beta-- it was like a mix of pre-CU and just some fixes.
The CU I tested was NOT what we got though.
I would say that there was 50k posts of people not wanting the CU or more actually.
(Maybe more even now that I think about it)
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Nice catch O, I missed that one and just saw the 100 instead of the 1000 on his post.
Two weeks notice kinda made that impossible I think though. Not to mention it was coming period.
But we all see how that went lol.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Nope I am saying that 1000 people voted on the site and 800 of them voted against the CU before SOE pulled the poll. They said they removed it due to abuse. You can beleive that or not I don't care.
FACT however is that the poll only got 1000 votes, and 800 of them were against the CU.
80% of the PLAYERBASE never voted against the CU on the web poll.
A majority of the complaints against the CU had to do with its readiness to be launched. My primary complaint against the NGE was it wasn't ready to be launched. Poll or no poll its hard for anyone to disagree with my statements.
You want to enjoy swg fine. Just know you are supporting horrible corporate ethics in gaming by doing so. You basically spit on everyone who feels cheated and lied to by soe.
Nope I am saying that 1000 people voted on the site and 800 of them voted against the CU before SOE pulled the poll. They said they removed it due to abuse. You can beleive that or not I don't care.
FACT however is that the poll only got 1000 votes, and 800 of them were against the CU.
80% of the PLAYERBASE never voted against the CU on the web poll.
A majority of the complaints against the CU had to do with its readiness to be launched. My primary complaint against the NGE was it wasn't ready to be launched. Poll or no poll its hard for anyone to disagree with my statements.
You want to enjoy swg fine. Just know you are supporting horrible corporate ethics in gaming by doing so. You basically spit on everyone who feels cheated and lied to by soe.
There's always a group that says something like this about any company. If we listened to these sort of statements then we'd have no power, no water, no phone, etc just so we can "stick it to the man".
Who is talking to the nge players???
They're beyond saving... it's the $OE bastards we're yelling at.
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Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Nope I am saying that 1000 people voted on the site and 800 of them voted against the CU before SOE pulled the poll. They said they removed it due to abuse. You can beleive that or not I don't care.
FACT however is that the poll only got 1000 votes, and 800 of them were against the CU.
80% of the PLAYERBASE never voted against the CU on the web poll.
A majority of the complaints against the CU had to do with its readiness to be launched. My primary complaint against the NGE was it wasn't ready to be launched. Poll or no poll its hard for anyone to disagree with my statements.
You want to enjoy swg fine. Just know you are supporting horrible corporate ethics in gaming by doing so. You basically spit on everyone who feels cheated and lied to by soe.
There's always a group that says something like this about any company. If we listened to these sort of statements then we'd have no power, no water, no phone, etc just so we can "stick it to the man".
The difference is EVERYONE is saying what soe did with the NGE was wrong. Not just me and my wacko friends.
And there is always a group that says, "everyone else does it, why should I complain?" So who is right, the sheep or those that try to encourage a change?
And there is always a group that says, "everyone else does it, why should I complain?" So who is right, the sheep or those that try to encourage a change?
Either way you lose. Avoid them and you're taking cold sponge baths in the dark. Don't avoid them and you support "evil".
And there is always a group that says, "everyone else does it, why should I complain?" So who is right, the sheep or those that try to encourage a change?
Either way you lose. Avoid them and you're taking cold sponge baths in the dark. Don't avoid them and you support "evil".
You pick the issues that you deem worthwhile. I've never been cheated by my power company (I don't live in California) so I have no issues with them. If I have a bad customer service experience in a grocery store, I write a letter to the manager and stop shopping there unless the manager does something to change my mind.
Of course, this is all based on individual choices, some people think that it is all right for a gaming company to completely change an existing product and push a new, unfinished product on subscribers. Or at least they aren't concerned enough to voice their opinions. Other people think differently and do not want to see a company that treats their customers like this to profit from it.
The strategy I take in this is to make certain that I voice my opinion against these practices as much as I can. Until SOE makes it up to their customers, and no simple acknowledgement of the mistake is sufficient. I expect an action to be made. An intorduction of classic servers with pre-NGE code, would be enough to get me to stop complaining.
That's fair. I don't ask others to stop playing the game if they enjoy it. I just do not like it if someone wishes to supress my opinions by silencing me.
Whatever Hax. You are still in that twisted little reality of yours and your point has absolutely zero to do with my point. It's getting real obvious you just want to try to get a dig now whenever you can. After all the last time it was you that trying to flame me for pulling off topic with the discussion and trying to "correct" it. So perhaps you should take some of your own advice.
End of discussion, debate with you is pointless. Take your own advice in the future.
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Whatever Hax. You are still in that twisted little reality of yours and your point has absolutely zero to do with my point. It's getting real obvious you just want to try to get a dig now whenever you can. After all the last time it was you that trying to flame me for pulling off topic with the discussion and trying to "correct" it. So perhaps you should take some of your own advice.
End of discussion, debate with you is pointless. Take your own advice in the future.
Seriously Fad, how dare you enjoy a game, it's like... like... like your slapping me
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Just poking at you Hax but seriously though, thats a little much don't you think, I mean I certainly think the SWG Dev/Production team was more then a little dishonest with me and I most defanitely feel cheated but I don't hold a grudge against anyone that still plays the game and has fun. Quite the opposite acutally, I'm really happy for anyone still enjoying the game, any game for that matter.
Just making sure you know, that's a pretty brode stroke you swung there.
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Who is twisting what here?
And yes.. there WAS an NGE poll too. After the first few days of "this blows" it changed to a "what feature do you like most" thing.
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Read back through this thread.
have a look at what Smedley said. You may not like it, but you asked. Also I have had more dialog with him and by all means if you think it's fake.. you too can email him like Barron and others did to show that for the last time he flat out calls it a failure. Plain and simple in text and in several aspects.
I understand you use fun over common sense, this is where the SIM players and logic are different with the NGE player base. We all know this, no big deal. I look at the game as somthing to grow.. not somthing to lose and know it can happen any second.
I like to have a bit of success, promise and hope that a game will last more then X amount of time and not be a joke to the rest of the gaming world in the respect it draws people in other then to show them... it's a mess and a mistake that nobody should make.
Smedley replied, I got called out on it... I let Mr. Smedley explain it to the NGEr himself.
I just like to invest my time in somthing that has promise and is revered as such. Not a "Mistake" -- but hey..lol thats me.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
You know, I think I have been pretty civil in this thread with you and expected you to do the same. Apparently I had too high a hope. You continue to berate and belittle players of this game no matter what. Is this some sort of self assurance for you to do this? Do you pride yourself on childish name calling? I stated quite clearly earlier that I was and am not a fan of the NGE...then you go right around and say that.
Yes, Smedley said what he did to you, me and others I'm sure. Some folks don't care. Some folks like the game and where its going. Why do you insist on ridiculing them? Let it go man.
SOE didn't listen to their vets and they are paying for it. It is not the players on here or any other boards fault, its the developers and executives, plain and simple. Focus the berating on them, not these folks.
Somehow folks have gotten it in their heads that a bad decision toward a customer or customer(s) should automatically be a reason to boycott. If that was the case we would get no where in life. I was screwed for a good amount of money from XBox. I filed a complaint and am will not buy XBox products anymore.
Did I go on forums and berate and belittle folks that still enjoy XBox? No.
Do I think that folks that play XBox support those kind of business practices? No.
But, if folks ask me about XBox and what I think I tell them my experience. They can decide for themselves what is best for them.
Really Iskareot, i understand your anger and sense of loss, but their is no reason to act like this over a game. Lesson learned for you and the rest of us vets. Pick up the pieces and move on.
This goes the same for folks on both sides. If you love it great, don't come in here to smear it in the faces of folks that left. Talk about what you like and don't like and respect each others opinions.
Its just a game folks.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
You know, I think I have been pretty civil in this thread with you and expected you to do the same. Apparently I had too high a hope. You continue to berate and belittle players of this game no matter what. Is this some sort of self assurance for you to do this? Do you pride yourself on childish name calling? I stated quite clearly earlier that I was and am not a fan of the NGE...then you go right around and say that.
Yes, Smedley said what he did to you, me and others I'm sure. Some folks don't care. Some folks like the game and where its going. Why do you insist on ridiculing them? Let it go man.
SOE didn't listen to their vets and they are paying for it. It is not the players on here or any other boards fault, its the developers and executives, plain and simple. Focus the berating on them, not these folks.
Somehow folks have gotten it in their heads that a bad decision toward a customer or customer(s) should automatically be a reason to boycott. If that was the case we would get no where in life. I was screwed for a good amount of money from XBox. I filed a complaint and am will not buy XBox products anymore.
Did I go on forums and berate and belittle folks that still enjoy XBox? No.
Do I think that folks that play XBox support those kind of business practices? No.
But, if folks ask me about XBox and what I think I tell them my experience. They can decide for themselves what is best for them.
Really Iskareot, i understand your anger and sense of loss, but their is no reason to act like this over a game. Lesson learned for you and the rest of us vets. Pick up the pieces and move on.
This goes the same for folks on both sides. If you love it great, don't come in here to smear it in the faces of folks that left. Talk about what you like and don't like and respect each others opinions.
Its just a game folks.
(OH and as for the NGEr comment, sorry -- when you starting calling me out-- you defended the game and NGE as it seemed very much so)... then later as I read you did say you did not like and did lose alot because of the NGE etc.. so that comment was made more in a past tense way more or less. You came across as a defender of the NGE thats for sure.. until I read later on. SO I am sorry for the belated comment as such.)
Yes I understand this.. but at the same time -- with this same people that try to tell people that this game has promise or is considered a success, I feel the need to make sure people see what is the truth.
Not some guy saying "Oh the NGE is great and we have tons of people flocking back etc.." ---
I did not call anyone names, now then.. berating the current playerbase??? Damn right I am.. I will be clear here... VERY CLEAR.. this current player base is by all means sub-par. They accept a crappy product, missleadings still, also not to mention buy into a product that is a failure without consideration. If anything when they spew how good or great the NGE is, while the president of the company tells us otherwise I think that is missleading.
While I see what your saying "smearing" it in anyones face at this point is almost a joke. DO NOT forget these are the same people (NGErs) that tried to tell us that the game is great and doing well...and going to be the best thing.. etc.. SO I admit it feels good to show them they were and are wrong at the same time I cannot feel bad for them. At this point being candid and nice about it is a waste of time. I rather tell them how it is percieved from the company itself each time they percieve it as some good product.
After thinking about it, a boycott may have been the answer a long time ago. Now as you know, this games days are numbered. As far as I am concearned for each post from someone about how the NGE is good in any fashion I hope that somone is there to rebuttle it with comments made from the makers themselves of how the GAME REALLY IS.
Being civil is one thing, telling people like it is might be rough, sure it may make the current player base look like fools buying into a product that even it's own company does not support perse.. (As stated clearly to you now and others).. to me this is a matter of stating the obvious. I do not need to call people names to show this whatsoever.
You assumed or are confusing the fact I think that the people playing this version of the game are wise or for that matter have a sense of self respect. Sure it's a game but someone is paying for it.. if people pay for this type of product then OTHER COMPANIES AND THIS ONE will continue to get away with putting out this crappy or sub-par prodcut all the time.
I would sell 1 acre of swamp land to these people if they are willing to pay 500k each for it, and continue to do so if they contiuned to pay for it. SOE is no different, if they continue to pay for it, they will continue to sell it until the profit is not there.
Think about it... Over the last week, the Producers, The President of the company said this is a failure, a mistake and while the intent was good... it went wrong and was a bad idea. The current version of this game is a FAILURE -- period. Stated clear.. Yet if people somehow think this is "OK" then please do not make excuses for them not to be somewhat expressed as sub-par.
I'ts funny, some people that say "It's just a game" are ok with it -- until you tell them to delete thier Jedi to prove that...lol Try it..lol , good luck with that one.
I see what your saying, but sorry.. it is what it is.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Read back through this thread.
have a look at what Smedley said. You may not like it, but you asked. Also I have had more dialog with him and by all means if you think it's fake.. you too can email him like Barron and others did to show that for the last time he flat out calls it a failure. Plain and simple in text and in several aspects.
I understand you use fun over common sense, this is where the SIM players and logic are different with the NGE player base. We all know this, no big deal. I look at the game as somthing to grow.. not somthing to lose and know it can happen any second.
I like to have a bit of success, promise and hope that a game will last more then X amount of time and not be a joke to the rest of the gaming world in the respect it draws people in other then to show them... it's a mess and a mistake that nobody should make.
Smedley replied, I got called out on it... I let Mr. Smedley explain it to the NGEr himself.
I just like to invest my time in somthing that has promise and is revered as such. Not a "Mistake" -- but hey..lol thats me.
Just because a person can find fun in places you cannot, does not mean we didn't like the Pre-Cu for the same reasons you did. Nor does it mean we wouldn't prefer a SIMs type game than the NGE. I really do not think it is fair of you to say otherwise.
If you like SIMS so much, than why don't you go buy SIMS Online, THERE, or Second Life and be happy? I think you probably mean that you like the sandbox nature and the social feel of Pre-CU. SIMS type games have no combat what-so-ever and from what you've told us, you had a Jedi, so you obviously don't just want the SIMS part of the game. That is fine, but that really just clasifies you as a person who likes sanbox, skill-based progression, full player economy, combat/social game. Many people like those types of games and arguments are started over it almost everyday on the main forums.
iskareot. bro I havent laugh so hard at anyone that has posted in any fourm as I have you. You my friend are a SWG want to be. Otherwise why keep posting. Or is it your one man cursade to spout lies and misdirect people from the truth?
Please rebut these facts:
1) Smed said NGE and the way it was implemented was a mistake, not the changes since are the current direction the game is taken -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no quote please )
2) Just because I find SWG in its current state, the most fun of the MMORPGS I have played namely; EQ,EQ2, FFIX, COH/COV, WOW, EVE, SOR and Horizon, doesnt mean I find it more fun that Pre-CU or even CU. Is it possible for someone else to have an opinion that differs from yours? --- CORRECT or NO ?
3) Besides SWG, which MMORPG offers PVP and PVE in space and ground, while offering intense crafting which includes multi-stated resources, experimentation, harvestors, factories and 24/7 player owned NPC vendors? There isnt one. -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no please give names )
And as you always do, here comes baseless dribble and the endless spouting of opinionate lies which dont relate to anything I have posted here.
Yes I understand this.. but at the same time -- with this same people that try to tell people that this game has promise or is considered a success, I feel the need to make sure people see what is the truth.
Not some guy saying "Oh the NGE is great and we have tons of people flocking back etc.." ---
I did not call anyone names, now then.. berating the current playerbase??? Damn right I am.. I will be clear here... VERY CLEAR.. this current player base is by all means sub-par. They accept a crappy product, missleadings still, also not to mention buy into a product that is a failure without consideration. If anything when they spew how good or great the NGE is, while the president of the company tells us otherwise I think that is missleading.
While I see what your saying "smearing" it in anyones face at this point is almost a joke. DO NOT forget these are the same people (NGErs) that tried to tell us that the game is great and doing well...and going to be the best thing.. etc.. SO I admit it feels good to show them they were and are wrong at the same time I cannot feel bad for them. At this point being candid and nice about it is a waste of time. I rather tell them how it is percieved from the company itself each time they percieve it as some good product.
After thinking about it, a boycott may have been the answer a long time ago. Now as you know, this games days are numbered. As far as I am concearned for each post from someone about how the NGE is good in any fashion I hope that somone is there to rebuttle it with comments made from the makers themselves of how the GAME REALLY IS.
Being civil is one thing, telling people like it is might be rough, sure it may make the current player base look like fools buying into a product that even it's own company does not support perse.. (As stated clearly to you now and others).. to me this is a matter of stating the obvious. I do not need to call people names to show this whatsoever.
You assumed or are confusing the fact I think that the people playing this version of the game are wise or for that matter have a sense of self respect. Sure it's a game but someone is paying for it.. if people pay for this type of product then OTHER COMPANIES AND THIS ONE will continue to get away with putting out this crappy or sub-par prodcut all the time.
I would sell 1 acre of swamp land to these people if they are willing to pay 500k each for it, and continue to do so if they contiuned to pay for it. SOE is no different, if they continue to pay for it, they will continue to sell it until the profit is not there.
Think about it... Over the last week, the Producers, The President of the company said this is a failure, a mistake and while the intent was good... it went wrong and was a bad idea. The current version of this game is a FAILURE -- period. Stated clear.. Yet if people somehow think this is "OK" then please do not make excuses for them not to be somewhat expressed as sub-par.
I'ts funny, some people that say "It's just a game" are ok with it -- until you tell them to delete thier Jedi to prove that...lol Try it..lol , good luck with that one.
I see what your saying, but sorry.. it is what it is.
NEVER is it okay to belittle others...NEVER. But you are flaming people, which is against the rules of this forum, over and over again, even when asked to quit and you have no problem with it.
Well, if anything, you have made yourself unagreeable to the current playerbase and the Pre-CU playerbase are starting to shun you. You really need to chill out and let people be. Almost everything is subject to opinion and if someone thinks that the NGE is better than the Pre-CU, their opinion means no less than yours.
The burden of proof on whether or not Smed said this game is a failure is on you. You made the comment, not us. What we read in articles is that he said it was a mistake to push the NGE forward and alienate the old playerbase. Well...duh! Any NGEer as you put it, would agree with that. But never have I heard him say that the NGE is a failure or the the NGE is a worst game. I'm not saying the NGE isn't a failure, because it did fail to meet the expectations that Smed had for it, but whether or not the NGE is a worse game is just opinion and everyone has an opinion and none are above another.
For now on I will report every single post that you are flaming other people in. I hope others will join me in this, because the forums do not belong to people like you, they belong to people who follow the rules.
He said the NGE was a mistake and "if he had it to do over, he wouldn't have done it"
Where is this getting lost in translation? He said he wouldn't have done it AT ALL.. not that he would have communicated better... AT ALL.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
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It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
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