iskareot, when is the last time you played SWG ? Just wondering if you have because you are wrong on alot of your comments. In fact the 'IMHO' statement needs to be in at least 5 places in your last post.
Yeah the ani's havent returned, but the combat other than that is the same. Skills are aquired differently, but they are there, except for posture change, which I liked.
Also, do you play a game now if not SWG? Wondering which one.
Originally posted by shae Originally posted by Fadeus
No you can't do both anymore. You do get a second toon per server now though. I have 3 traders and 3 combatants at the moment. I spend alot of time surveying and resourcing. At the moment I mostly only craft for myself but I do make fair bit of money on chassis and ship components. Crafters no longer agro unless it's an elite mob with the <> around their name. So you don't have to deal with the trash on the planet while out resourcing.
See that's interesting and someting I defanitely did not know. Question though, are Entertainers dealt with in the same way?
But again, unfortunately, I just have a hard time with having to create a new character to just be allowed to do more then one thing. Maybe most would dissagree but for me, one of SWG of old greatest strength was the flexibility in what one person could become and how that reflected each person/character.
Just seems a little distracting to be constently switching between characters to just do something different. But like I said, that's probably just a nitpick of mine and mine alone, I'm sure most people are fine with it and I'm being a baby about a small point.
To Fadeus - I used to like shooting those butterflies and monkeys as they attacked me while I was tending harvesters. It felt REAL.
To Shae, you are not being a baby and nitpicking at all. Switching between pre-rolled, pre-designed classes is NOT AT ALL the same as the pre-CU ability to be some of one and some of another. I was a proud Master Weaponsmith / Master Rifleman on Ahazi. I was able to defend myself while harvesting, heck I was even able to go to the Geonosian Lab on Yavin IV with friends and collect enhancements I wanted for my weapons.
Being able to both shoot AND make rifles was rather realistic to me. Most NGE defenders point to that as an "unfair advantage"; that it made me less interdependent. Funny thing was I still needed to visit entertainers, I still needed to buy foods, I still needed a tailor and an armorsmith. Their argument is bunk.
When I played NGE, I had a crafter character AND a combat character. It just was not the same. I wanted a character who was multi-talented, much like I am in real life. Your choices are made for you in the NGE, and to an intelligent person such as yourself, that is an insult.
If the acts themselves of tailoring and dancing are what you like, then by all means you can still do them in the NGE with your 2 character slot per server that you get. Not that anybody buys clothes anymore, they can loot them from the nearest butterfly or frog. But if you want to Roleplay as a talented being capable of being both, that has been taken away from you (and me, because that is how I used to play).
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by Tacola They have already brought back Target lock/Auto fire and some uniqueness in class, so you cant say they arent bringing anything back, because they have. And in the trader revamp, it amouts to bringing back CA/AA's. So again that is something from the passed.
Actually... They didn't bring back any old features they coded new ones that aren't remotely like what they are meant to imitate.
The class enhancements are based on the Diablo 2 skill system, not the old SWG skill system. They completely miss the mark as far as duplicating anything even remotely like SWG's profession system. You can't add entertainer skills to your bounty hunter or trader. You can't add smuggler skills to your jedi, entertainer or trader. Basically all you can do is chose which attacks or defenses you get on your combat character.
The trader revamp as discussed so far looks to be nothing more than a stripped down version of what was already in place. The only reason a revamp is needed right now is because the system that launched was bypassed in favor of a kill, loot and repeat playstyle that was neither asked for or wanted by the players. Rather than fix the actual problem (a player based crafting system needs a sustainable player economy that is not loot > crafted based) they are throwing the bandaid fix of allowing loot to be improved via crafters. In otherwords changing crafters from those who create items into those who enhance items.
This is a different game. A game that isn't as good. End of story.
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones?
You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
10 months later and your making this sound like some great deal... after all the lies, missleadings and crap that has failed based on track record and you are actually trying to sell this crap?
FUNCTIONALITY???? I logged in not that LONG AGO AND HIT FORCE RUN AND AGROED A ENTIRE CITY????? W T F???? If you click to fast while trying to get on or off a BIKE YOU HEAR A CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK??? and it feels as smooth as rubbing your face on sandpaper.
How about the great function of moving stuff in your house? OR what happend to just the animations themselves... nothing more just the animations..
10 months later it is worse then before, 10 months later with less then 1/3 of the player base, and classes to worry about this is still a mistake.. 10 months later and your NOW trying to convience people the game is OK??? Are you freaking kidding me?
Look, I know you may mean well but man some people have common sense, they really do, they read, they learn, they base things on history, experience and word of mouth.
Sorry, but I will choose to believe what the president of the company that made the game told me and stay far freaking away from this "mistake" or product "he wished he did not make"..... thank you.
I just hope others have the sense to do the same.
OMG, dude quit lying. Force run doesnt agro anything. Sure it is different, so why do you insist on flaming a gaming you now longer play, which is obvious from your statments you are playing a different game totally than me. If you hate SOE and SWG so much then why continue to post.
the highlighted refers to the NGE, not the changes since or the current path, although that doesnt matter to you, all that matters to you is that they took your toys away, so the WHAMblance will be here shortly. Some lost their entire class, some lost achievements in game, I dont like it but that is the way it is. Move on or adapt. That is your only options. But I will be here to tell the truth and be fair, and you can be the flamer with irrelavent comments and non-factual statements. As long as we know our roles, it is all good .
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones? You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
Let me answer your questions first of all... Do I still play? No. I don't enjoy Diablo 2 anymore. I got tired of it six years ago. How do I know about comparison between old ones and new ones? I played during the CU, pre-CU and for the first month of the NGE. Plus I keep up to date by reading about continuing developement of the game through the SWG website and through various fan sites such as the one you are reading and writing on. I read the opinions of both those who enjoy the game and those who hate it. Obviously, there are more written opinions in the negative than the positive which in and of itself is a pretty good measuring stick to gage where the game is at.
About the trader revamp... The only thing any of us have to go on right now is what has been written by the devs and what the devs have released in the past. The RE system for shipwright is one I am very familiar with. It was borrowed from diablo 2. You take x number of looted parts, add them to your horadric cube errr crafting tool and then transmute errr RE them into the better loot. Until we see a different kind of RE system in the game that works in the manner you suggest (ie changing loot into CA/AAs) we can't really say that it won't be Horadric cube style.
As for the hate speak... LOL... You gonna call me a racist too?
Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by Tacola
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones? You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
Let me answer your questions first of all... Do I still play? No. I don't enjoy Diablo 2 anymore. I got tired of it six years ago. How do I know about comparison between old ones and new ones? I played during the CU, pre-CU and for the first month of the NGE. Plus I keep up to date by reading about continuing developement of the game through the SWG website and through various fan sites such as the one you are reading and writing on. I read the opinions of both those who enjoy the game and those who hate it. Obviously, there are more written opinions in the negative than the positive which in and of itself is a pretty good measuring stick to gage where the game is at.
About the trader revamp... The only thing any of us have to go on right now is what has been written by the devs and what the devs have released in the past. The RE system for shipwright is one I am very familiar with. It was borrowed from diablo 2. You take x number of looted parts, add them to your horadric cube errr crafting tool and then transmute errr RE them into the better loot. Until we see a different kind of RE system in the game that works in the manner you suggest (ie changing loot into CA/AAs) we can't really say that it won't be Horadric cube style.
As for the hate speak... LOL... You gonna call me a racist too?
I was just speaking from what the Devs said about the trader system, you have your own opinion. I perfer to at least have a Dev post to back what I say, when as you have , well... . The Reing of loot items to remove the stats, as tapes or AA's and then use them on crafted items is what was said. And that is what i said. Which you cant say with any turth is not what was said by the Devs, point blank.
You want the game to die, I want others to try it and make their own opinions, not use the opinion of bitter ex-swgs that were indeed done wrong with the NGE. But the NGE is alot different than it was after the first month of its release, once again a fact.
Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by Tacola They have already brought back Target lock/Auto fire and some uniqueness in class, so you cant say they arent bringing anything back, because they have. And in the trader revamp, it amouts to bringing back CA/AA's. So again that is something from the passed.
Actually... They didn't bring back any old features they coded new ones that aren't remotely like what they are meant to imitate.
The class enhancements are based on the Diablo 2 skill system, not the old SWG skill system. They completely miss the mark as far as duplicating anything even remotely like SWG's profession system. You can't add entertainer skills to your bounty hunter or trader. You can't add smuggler skills to your jedi, entertainer or trader. Basically all you can do is chose which attacks or defenses you get on your combat character.
The trader revamp as discussed so far looks to be nothing more than a stripped down version of what was already in place. The only reason a revamp is needed right now is because the system that launched was bypassed in favor of a kill, loot and repeat playstyle that was neither asked for or wanted by the players. Rather than fix the actual problem (a player based crafting system needs a sustainable player economy that is not loot > crafted based) they are throwing the bandaid fix of allowing loot to be improved via crafters. In otherwords changing crafters from those who create items into those who enhance items.
This is a different game. A game that isn't as good. End of story.
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones?
You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
10 months later and your making this sound like some great deal... after all the lies, missleadings and crap that has failed based on track record and you are actually trying to sell this crap?
FUNCTIONALITY???? I logged in not that LONG AGO AND HIT FORCE RUN AND AGROED A ENTIRE CITY????? W T F???? If you click to fast while trying to get on or off a BIKE YOU HEAR A CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK??? and it feels as smooth as rubbing your face on sandpaper.
How about the great function of moving stuff in your house? OR what happend to just the animations themselves... nothing more just the animations..
10 months later it is worse then before, 10 months later with less then 1/3 of the player base, and classes to worry about this is still a mistake.. 10 months later and your NOW trying to convience people the game is OK??? Are you freaking kidding me?
Look, I know you may mean well but man some people have common sense, they really do, they read, they learn, they base things on history, experience and word of mouth.
Sorry, but I will choose to believe what the president of the company that made the game told me and stay far freaking away from this "mistake" or product "he wished he did not make"..... thank you.
I just hope others have the sense to do the same.
OMG, dude quit lying. Force run doesnt agro anything. Sure it is different, so why do you insist on flaming a gaming you now longer play, which is obvious from your statments you are playing a different game totally than me. If you hate SOE and SWG so much then why continue to post.
the highlighted refers to the NGE, not the changes since or the current path, although that doesnt matter to you, all that matters to you is that they took your toys away, so the WHAMblance will be here shortly. Some lost their entire class, some lost achievements in game, I dont like it but that is the way it is. Move on or adapt. That is your only options. But I will be here to tell the truth and be fair, and you can be the flamer with irrelavent comments and non-factual statements. As long as we know our roles, it is all good .
What part of he wished he did not do is hard for you to understand?
ALSO... being quite a wise player myself are you telling me that there is not or was not a bug that caused you to agro everything and not be able to get out of it? Are you serious?
What lie is that? Did the execs not call this a mistake????? I really think you need to get caught up on your reading... I really do.
You actually think this is some sort of succes story or somthing... the FUTURE is not bright, it is not about adapting... it is about being able to enjoy what was changed.
By all means with the great success that the NGE is I think your proof is just overflowing out of the bucket of crap.
Lol... Non factual comments... Yep.. Nice try, no cigar but nice I will give you that.
Show me all the GOOD posts and reports, reviews, and awards from the NGE and comments made from the Exec team, Smedley, about the NGE...
I know I can show you the bad things they said about it... that is easy.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones?
You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
Let me answer your questions first of all... Do I still play? No. I don't enjoy Diablo 2 anymore. I got tired of it six years ago. How do I know about comparison between old ones and new ones? I played during the CU, pre-CU and for the first month of the NGE. Plus I keep up to date by reading about continuing developement of the game through the SWG website and through various fan sites such as the one you are reading and writing on. I read the opinions of both those who enjoy the game and those who hate it. Obviously, there are more written opinions in the negative than the positive which in and of itself is a pretty good measuring stick to gage where the game is at.
About the trader revamp... The only thing any of us have to go on right now is what has been written by the devs and what the devs have released in the past. The RE system for shipwright is one I am very familiar with. It was borrowed from diablo 2. You take x number of looted parts, add them to your horadric cube errr crafting tool and then transmute errr RE them into the better loot. Until we see a different kind of RE system in the game that works in the manner you suggest (ie changing loot into CA/AAs) we can't really say that it won't be Horadric cube style.
As for the hate speak... LOL... You gonna call me a racist too?
I was just speaking from what the Devs said about the trader system, you have your own opinion. I perfer to at least have a Dev post to back what I say, when as you have , well... . The Reing of loot items to remove the stats, as tapes or AA's and then use them on crafted items is what was said. And that is what i said. Which you cant say with any turth is not what was said by the Devs, point blank.
You want the game to die, I want others to try it and make their own opinions, not use the opinion of bitter ex-swgs that were indeed done wrong with the NGE.But the NGE is alot different than it was after the first month of its release, once again a fact.
You know somthing about that line says so much, but yet so many people just won't see it lol.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by Tacola
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones? You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
Let me answer your questions first of all... Do I still play? No. I don't enjoy Diablo 2 anymore. I got tired of it six years ago. How do I know about comparison between old ones and new ones? I played during the CU, pre-CU and for the first month of the NGE. Plus I keep up to date by reading about continuing developement of the game through the SWG website and through various fan sites such as the one you are reading and writing on. I read the opinions of both those who enjoy the game and those who hate it. Obviously, there are more written opinions in the negative than the positive which in and of itself is a pretty good measuring stick to gage where the game is at.
About the trader revamp... The only thing any of us have to go on right now is what has been written by the devs and what the devs have released in the past. The RE system for shipwright is one I am very familiar with. It was borrowed from diablo 2. You take x number of looted parts, add them to your horadric cube errr crafting tool and then transmute errr RE them into the better loot. Until we see a different kind of RE system in the game that works in the manner you suggest (ie changing loot into CA/AAs) we can't really say that it won't be Horadric cube style.
As for the hate speak... LOL... You gonna call me a racist too?
I was just speaking from what the Devs said about the trader system, you have your own opinion. I perfer to at least have a Dev post to back what I say, when as you have , well... . The Reing of loot items to remove the stats, as tapes or AA's and then use them on crafted items is what was said. And that is what i said. Which you cant say with any turth is not what was said by the Devs, point blank.
You want the game to die, I want others to try it and make their own opinions, not use the opinion of bitter ex-swgs that were indeed done wrong with the NGE.But the NGE is alot different than it was after the first month of its release, once again a fact.
You know somthing about that line says so much, but yet so many people just won't see it lol.
True, most will proably take away from that statement that if you have play the game in 8 months you proably dont know what you are talking about. LOL !!!FLAMEON!!!
Originally posted by Tacola iskareot, when is the last time you played SWG ? Just wondering if you have because you are wrong on alot of your comments. In fact the 'IMHO' statement needs to be in at least 5 places in your last post. Yeah the ani's havent returned, but the combat other than that is the same. Skills are aquired differently, but they are there, except for posture change, which I liked. Also, do you play a game now if not SWG? Wondering which one.
A month ago... played from beta 2 --did all the classes, was in all the betas, did 145 badges, also attended the fan fests, summits and some other crap.
Sadly know enough about the game from the engine being 6 years old, to knowing that the smuggler system has been promised more times then I can remember... and then finding out Jedi was made into a starting class based on marketing for the NGE to get the younger kids to come play...
Now then, I know the bugs in the game and I know how bad they are that 3.7 years later or so that this is the stage the game is at.
Not new content, not new expanisons and ADDING SERVERS, but seeing ones with tumbleeeds blowing by in some of them and hearing the Execs say this was a MISTAKE AND FOR OTHER COMPANIES NOT TO MAKE THE SAME ONE...
The skills are not the same... do not even try this, coming from a pre9 Jedi -- pub 6 actually and trying to say that the NGE is even close to the pre- NGE.. is a lie, My Jedi Knight enhancer begs to differ, from the saber to the animations, to the poke poke slash Benny Hill feel to the horrid laggy feel. To the ROBE being needed the loss of innate armor, to the idea that pink hawtpants helps a Jedi with mods on it, to the combat by all means being not the same at all.. a 30 second battle is not the same as CU battles with a wise BH, not to mention the risk, the hunt, the loss and the decay ... SO do NOT COMPARE this NGE combat without loss, risk, decay, animations, combat style, targeting, hotkeys, or even having that giant ass circle thing for use as a target with that Nickel plated Rocket launcher as the same comabt.. because guess what? It's not...
Same..lol-- man I want what your smoking.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by Tacola
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones? You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
Let me answer your questions first of all... Do I still play? No. I don't enjoy Diablo 2 anymore. I got tired of it six years ago. How do I know about comparison between old ones and new ones? I played during the CU, pre-CU and for the first month of the NGE. Plus I keep up to date by reading about continuing developement of the game through the SWG website and through various fan sites such as the one you are reading and writing on. I read the opinions of both those who enjoy the game and those who hate it. Obviously, there are more written opinions in the negative than the positive which in and of itself is a pretty good measuring stick to gage where the game is at.
About the trader revamp... The only thing any of us have to go on right now is what has been written by the devs and what the devs have released in the past. The RE system for shipwright is one I am very familiar with. It was borrowed from diablo 2. You take x number of looted parts, add them to your horadric cube errr crafting tool and then transmute errr RE them into the better loot. Until we see a different kind of RE system in the game that works in the manner you suggest (ie changing loot into CA/AAs) we can't really say that it won't be Horadric cube style.
As for the hate speak... LOL... You gonna call me a racist too?
I was just speaking from what the Devs said about the trader system, you have your own opinion. I perfer to at least have a Dev post to back what I say, when as you have , well... . The Reing of loot items to remove the stats, as tapes or AA's and then use them on crafted items is what was said. And that is what i said. Which you cant say with any turth is not what was said by the Devs, point blank.
You want the game to die, I want others to try it and make their own opinions, not use the opinion of bitter ex-swgs that were indeed done wrong with the NGE.But the NGE is alot different than it was after the first month of its release, once again a fact.
You know somthing about that line says so much, but yet so many people just won't see it lol.
True, most will proably take away from that statement that if you have play the game in 8 months you proably dont know what you are talking about. LOL !!!FLAMEON!!!
No doubt all they need to do is go look for the bug reports and issues right now..lol
Then even better, go look up what the games current status and selling rate is at thier local game store.
Thank goodness for people with common sense.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by shae Originally posted by Fadeus
No you can't do both anymore. You do get a second toon per server now though. I have 3 traders and 3 combatants at the moment. I spend alot of time surveying and resourcing. At the moment I mostly only craft for myself but I do make fair bit of money on chassis and ship components. Crafters no longer agro unless it's an elite mob with the <> around their name. So you don't have to deal with the trash on the planet while out resourcing.
See that's interesting and someting I defanitely did not know. Question though, are Entertainers dealt with in the same way?
But again, unfortunately, I just have a hard time with having to create a new character to just be allowed to do more then one thing. Maybe most would dissagree but for me, one of SWG of old greatest strength was the flexibility in what one person could become and how that reflected each person/character.
Just seems a little distracting to be constently switching between characters to just do something different. But like I said, that's probably just a nitpick of mine and mine alone, I'm sure most people are fine with it and I'm being a baby about a small point.
I totally agree with you. I'm a vet that started playing since launch. I have gone back for the first time since I quit because of NGE, mainly because I miss the game so much. I thought maybe with "auto-target" being implemented.. things wouldnt be so bad. Well, I was wrong the game still blows as much as it did when NGE first came out. I absoulutly HATE the lack of diversity with having only 9 professions. I hate having to make an alt to try something new... and I hate having to respec to try something new.
I see the points of some in this thread... "to a new player the game might be fun".
I look at it this way..... if your out to buy a car and are looking at buying a Ford Festiva... the little piece o crap car may be all you need. But, swg was once a Rolls Royce (Insert beatutiful car of your choice here) ...and the devs transformed it into a Ford Festiva (Insert crappy car of your choice here). New players dont know the difference.... because the NGE game fills their needs....but older players that remember the beauty of the former game will not settle for this NGE crap...or a Ford Festiva.
In late winter through early spring, SWG was one of SOE's biggest gainers in terms of new players to a live game, coming through both the trials and through new software purchases,” said Chris Kramer, Director of Corporate Communications.
“We’ve had great responses from the players. The last two patches were player initiated bug fixes and lingering issues. The Expertise system is going in and has been well received,” added Jason Ryan, the Events Manager for SWG.
“Players have been very upbeat on the forums and the questions are mostly about the future and what the game is about moving forward,” added Alan Crosby, Director of Community Relations.
Originally posted by jrscott To Fadeus - I used to like shooting those butterflies and monkeys as they attacked me while I was tending harvesters. It felt REAL. To Shae, you are not being a baby and nitpicking at all. Switching between pre-rolled, pre-designed classes is NOT AT ALL the same as the pre-CU ability to be some of one and some of another. I was a proud Master Weaponsmith / Master Rifleman on Ahazi. I was able to defend myself while harvesting, heck I was even able to go to the Geonosian Lab on Yavin IV with friends and collect enhancements I wanted for my weapons. Being able to both shoot AND make rifles was rather realistic to me. Most NGE defenders point to that as an "unfair advantage"; that it made me less interdependent. Funny thing was I still needed to visit entertainers, I still needed to buy foods, I still needed a tailor and an armorsmith. Their argument is bunk. When I played NGE, I had a crafter character AND a combat character. It just was not the same. I wanted a character who was multi-talented, much like I am in real life. Your choices are made for you in the NGE, and to an intelligent person such as yourself, that is an insult. If the acts themselves of tailoring and dancing are what you like, then by all means you can still do them in the NGE with your 2 character slot per server that you get. Not that anybody buys clothes anymore, they can loot them from the nearest butterfly or frog. But if you want to Roleplay as a talented being capable of being both, that has been taken away from you (and me, because that is how I used to play).
I guess this is just where I stumble with the current iteration of SWG. Whilst I can certainly see the appeal from a development stand point of simplifying to "classes", being forced to remain ever so static is just a little hard for me to swallow. At least I know I'm not the only out there.
Not that I don't believe Fad when he says he enjoys it, I've always respected him that way and we're all entitled to our wonderful oppinions and as I said before, I'll never be completely opposed to trying the game again.
When I did try it, it just seemed strange and unsual, I'm not the type of person that deals with change very well, that's a flaw for sure and NGE was radically different from the game I cared for and played for so long, it was hard to re-establish that bond, that feeling of permenance inside a star wars universe. As a RP'er, I have a hard time defining how myself as a character would just simply occupy herself doing either nothing but dancing or nothing but crafting or shooting and hitting stuff for that matter.
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by Tacola
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones? You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
Let me answer your questions first of all... Do I still play? No. I don't enjoy Diablo 2 anymore. I got tired of it six years ago. How do I know about comparison between old ones and new ones? I played during the CU, pre-CU and for the first month of the NGE. Plus I keep up to date by reading about continuing developement of the game through the SWG website and through various fan sites such as the one you are reading and writing on. I read the opinions of both those who enjoy the game and those who hate it. Obviously, there are more written opinions in the negative than the positive which in and of itself is a pretty good measuring stick to gage where the game is at.
About the trader revamp... The only thing any of us have to go on right now is what has been written by the devs and what the devs have released in the past. The RE system for shipwright is one I am very familiar with. It was borrowed from diablo 2. You take x number of looted parts, add them to your horadric cube errr crafting tool and then transmute errr RE them into the better loot. Until we see a different kind of RE system in the game that works in the manner you suggest (ie changing loot into CA/AAs) we can't really say that it won't be Horadric cube style.
As for the hate speak... LOL... You gonna call me a racist too?
I was just speaking from what the Devs said about the trader system, you have your own opinion. I perfer to at least have a Dev post to back what I say, when as you have , well... . The Reing of loot items to remove the stats, as tapes or AA's and then use them on crafted items is what was said. And that is what i said. Which you cant say with any turth is not what was said by the Devs, point blank.
You want the game to die, I want others to try it and make their own opinions, not use the opinion of bitter ex-swgs that were indeed done wrong with the NGE.But the NGE is alot different than it was after the first month of its release, once again a fact.
You know somthing about that line says so much, but yet so many people just won't see it lol.
True, most will proably take away from that statement that if you have play the game in 8 months you proably dont know what you are talking about. LOL !!!FLAMEON!!!
No doubt all they need to do is go look for the bug reports and issues right now..lol
Then even better, go look up what the games current status and selling rate is at thier local game store.
Thank goodness for people with common sense.
You have those numbers handy, oh forget who I was talking to, !!!FLAMEON!!!
Again with the mindless banter.
Maybe they could just give the game a try? If people truely have common sense, they would try it before taken my word or yours? Seems you are afraid if they tried it, some might *GASP* like it. P.
Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by Reachwind Originally posted by Tacola
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones? You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
Let me answer your questions first of all... Do I still play? No. I don't enjoy Diablo 2 anymore. I got tired of it six years ago. How do I know about comparison between old ones and new ones? I played during the CU, pre-CU and for the first month of the NGE. Plus I keep up to date by reading about continuing developement of the game through the SWG website and through various fan sites such as the one you are reading and writing on. I read the opinions of both those who enjoy the game and those who hate it. Obviously, there are more written opinions in the negative than the positive which in and of itself is a pretty good measuring stick to gage where the game is at.
About the trader revamp... The only thing any of us have to go on right now is what has been written by the devs and what the devs have released in the past. The RE system for shipwright is one I am very familiar with. It was borrowed from diablo 2. You take x number of looted parts, add them to your horadric cube errr crafting tool and then transmute errr RE them into the better loot. Until we see a different kind of RE system in the game that works in the manner you suggest (ie changing loot into CA/AAs) we can't really say that it won't be Horadric cube style.
As for the hate speak... LOL... You gonna call me a racist too?
I was just speaking from what the Devs said about the trader system, you have your own opinion. I perfer to at least have a Dev post to back what I say, when as you have , well... . The Reing of loot items to remove the stats, as tapes or AA's and then use them on crafted items is what was said. And that is what i said. Which you cant say with any turth is not what was said by the Devs, point blank.
You want the game to die, I want others to try it and make their own opinions, not use the opinion of bitter ex-swgs that were indeed done wrong with the NGE.But the NGE is alot different than it was after the first month of its release, once again a fact.
You know somthing about that line says so much, but yet so many people just won't see it lol.
True, most will proably take away from that statement that if you have play the game in 8 months you proably dont know what you are talking about. LOL !!!FLAMEON!!!
No doubt all they need to do is go look for the bug reports and issues right now..lol
Then even better, go look up what the games current status and selling rate is at thier local game store.
Thank goodness for people with common sense.
You have those numbers handy, oh forget who I was talking to, !!!FLAMEON!!!
Again with the mindless banter.
Maybe they could just give the game a try? If people truely have common sense, they would try it before taken my word or yours? Seems you are afraid if they tried it, some might *GASP* like it. P.
Nope I will use the current player base numbers for that fact.
But again, let's keep in mind what the Execs and Smedley said shall we?
Go to his blog site, then go look at what was said at the Austin conference.
Sorry, I have to think these guys do mean it when they say "Do not make our mistake" or "I would not make the same decisions again" ..
Sorry, they may know a bit more then you or I in this respect.
Knowing what the game is like now or has a track record of or the great reviews or feeling you get from the people that make it is enough for most.
I like to think people will look at that and help that make a judgment in playing the game. Just like I hope people do not get on a Airplane that has a broken engine while they know it does.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by shae Not that I don't believe Fad when he says he enjoys it, I've always respected him that way and we're all entitled to our wonderful oppinions and as I said before, I'll never be completely opposed to trying the game again. When I did try it, it just seemed strange and unsual, I'm not the type of person that deals with change very well, that's a flaw for sure and NGE was radically different from the game I cared for and played for so long, it was hard to re-establish that bond, that feeling of permenance inside a star wars universe. As a RP'er, I have a hard time defining how myself as a character would just simply occupy herself doing either nothing but dancing or nothing but crafting or shooting and hitting stuff for that matter. Oh well, interesting thread though everybody.
I believe Fad as well, he posts straight up and honestly. I was pointing out that while he might find the no-aggro feature cool, some of us don't. I dislike the concept. So I die while tending my harvesters....no biggie to me. I loved the adrenaline rush of avoiding red dots while I hurried to empty them.
I played NGE for 4 1/2 months as a split character, so it IS playable but like you said, it just was not the same. My characters TekBacca and Cruuz were not even close as replacements for Bradshaw Lightyear - Hybrid Crafter / Warrior.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
First, to Iskareot. Thanks for finally posting the email. I copied it and sent it it to Smedley and this was my response:
"Yes, that was an email I sent.
1)The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
2)We should have engaged the playerbase. Springing it on them while well intentioned was not a good idea. This is my single biggest regret and the thing I feel worst about.
3)It was a business decision based upon a declining playerbase. One thing that’s lost in this discussion is that with the playerbase leaving we had to do something. It’s great to get emails from players where they say SWG before the NGE was the greatest game ever, but the declining playerbase told us something different.
4)I believe the fundamental design of SWG had some bad flaws right from the start. The # of professions was certainly one of the problem areas. It made balancing and making the game interesting extremely difficult.
5)After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Ordinarily I would be happy to engage in a debate, but every time the discussion turns into “why not do a rollback”.. which just isn’t practical and isn’t going to happen. "
From: XXXXXXXX [mailto:XXXXXXX@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:42 PM To: Smedley, John Subject: Clarification on a comment made
Good Afternoon,
I wonder if you could clarify a comment made by a former SWG player about the NGE in an ongoing discussion.
For reference the comment was on MMORPG.com, SWG General discussion room under the title of "SWG now in the present". Specifically page 7 with your email comment.
"Actually I've repeatedly said I wouldn't make the same decision again.
-----Original Message----- From: Michael -XXXXXXXXX To: Smedley, John Sent: Tue Sep 12 12:12:06 2006 Subject: On Michael Pachters comments..
Since you seem to be able to look at his comments and say you dissagree, can you not debate the NGE and your ideas and failed concept and backing of that idea? Some of us would really like to see what your input is now that most of your team has said or spoke of what the truth is. I rather you see you say this was a mistake like they did. I still feel you did not listen to us, did not heed our warning of what would happen to the player base for SWG and now it shows. I have never seen somthing go so wrong in game actually and this is now being compared to E.T. for the Atari 2600. (which is bad) I would like to see a real debate, not a fake one or pre- questioned one. Or at least someone taking responsibility for this mess. After all of this time I think we deserve it as the old player base you kicked to the curb. The NGE was a mistake plain and simple."
My question is about the comment 'Actually I've repeatedly said I wouldn't make the same decision again. "
1. What decision where you referring to? a. What it the NGE as a whole?
b. A specific areas of the NGE (Launch time, FPS style, 9 professions etc.)?
c. Something entirely different?
Feel free to join the discussion. Thank you for your time .
Second: You were right, and I give credit due to where it is deserved. Kudos!
Third: Next time instead of the insulting and silly name calling, just post a screen or copy. That is all I and others asked for and got nothing but double talk and slander. What would have taken 3 seconds and 6 pages less on here to do took way longer. Yes, I don't believe everything everyone says on the internet (I know I am one of the rarities out here) and I demand to see proof of claims not simply" because I said he said it".
Fourth: SWG just lost my subscription.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
Originally posted by BaronJuJu First, to Iskareot. Thanks for finally posting the email. I copied it and sent it it to Smedley and this was my response: "Yes, that was an email I sent.
1)The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
2)We should have engaged the playerbase. Springing it on them while well intentioned was not a good idea. This is my single biggest regret and the thing I feel worst about.
3)It was a business decision based upon a declining playerbase. One thing that’s lost in this discussion is that with the playerbase leaving we had to do something. It’s great to get emails from players where they say SWG before the NGE was the greatest game ever, but the declining playerbase told us something different.
4)I believe the fundamental design of SWG had some bad flaws right from the start. The # of professions was certainly one of the problem areas. It made balancing and making the game interesting extremely difficult.
5)After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Ordinarily I would be happy to engage in a debate, but every time the discussion turns into “why not do a rollback”.. which just isn’t practical and isn’t going to happen. "
From: XXXXXXXX [mailto:XXXXXXX@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:42 PM To: Smedley, John Subject: Clarification on a comment made
Good Afternoon,
I wonder if you could clarify a comment made by a former SWG player about the NGE in an ongoing discussion.
For reference the comment was on MMORPG.com, SWG General discussion room under the title of "SWG now in the present". Specifically page 7 with your email comment.
"Actually I've repeatedly said I wouldn't make the same decision again.
-----Original Message----- From: Michael -XXXXXXXXX To: Smedley, John Sent: Tue Sep 12 12:12:06 2006 Subject: On Michael Pachters comments..
Since you seem to be able to look at his comments and say you dissagree, can you not debate the NGE and your ideas and failed concept and backing of that idea? Some of us would really like to see what your input is now that most of your team has said or spoke of what the truth is. I rather you see you say this was a mistake like they did. I still feel you did not listen to us, did not heed our warning of what would happen to the player base for SWG and now it shows. I have never seen somthing go so wrong in game actually and this is now being compared to E.T. for the Atari 2600. (which is bad) I would like to see a real debate, not a fake one or pre- questioned one. Or at least someone taking responsibility for this mess. After all of this time I think we deserve it as the old player base you kicked to the curb. The NGE was a mistake plain and simple."
My question is about the comment 'Actually I've repeatedly said I wouldn't make the same decision again. "
1. What decision where you referring to? a. What it the NGE as a whole?
b. A specific areas of the NGE (Launch time, FPS style, 9 professions etc.)?
c. Something entirely different?
Feel free to join the discussion. Thank you for your time .
Second: You were right, and I give credit due to where it is deserved. Kudos!
Third: Next time instead of the insulting and silly name calling, just post a screen or copy. That is all I and others asked for and got nothing but double talk and slander. What would have taken 3 seconds and 6 pages less on here to do took way longer. Yes, I don't believe everything everyone says on the internet (I know I am one of the rarities out here) and I demand to see proof of claims not simply" because I said he said it".
Fourth: SWG just lost my subscription.
I told you he replies to email and that I would not lie about it.
Listen, you forget one major thing here... and you did not look into it.
One, I mean what I say.. Two, I LOVED THIS GAME... I am older and loved Star Wars... so FIRST AND FORMOST.... I WILL REPEAT I LOVED THE GAME.
As you can see, due to the fact I feel no need to lie or make no mistake I would not put a (part of a email out here for you to bash if it was not true) --- I infact hold true to my thoughts and word when I mean it.
I am sorry you had to find you that way, all hatered aside and anger--- I DID NOT want you to hear it like that.. maybe (And don't ask why I say this) -- wish you had not asked me to do it.
Maybe being ignorant to what is going on is best for people, no joke. Maybe some people do not need to know the truth.
But as I said, I keep my word and was not kidding.
Glad you found out.. but I guess I am not glad that you lost faith because of it.
--- I loved the game and John knew that.. he also said sorry to me.. but I did not think it was right to post that part.
You can understand now but at least you now know.
Listen man I can't stand you -- I admit that BUT LISTEN.. no jokes now... IF YOU LOVE THE GAME like we once did then crap, play it til it dies... WE CANT , but maybe you can.. I give Obriak and others shit, but if you love the game like we once did then maybe you can take it..
WE CANT, I told you the truth I did not lie and I am really sorry that you had to get it like that from the man himself.
In some ways maybe OTHER PEOPLE CAN LEARN from this.
If anything - at least they know I was not kidding or making this up.
Mr. Smedley hung himself out for my comments today AS MUCH AS I AM PISSED off I did just risk some things... some people here know that.
So for the OBRIAKS, Ntnouns.. or whatever.... If you STILL CANNOT see what is a failure then I am sorry you are just that blind.
Peace!
Isk...
I want to be clear here, I DID not want to hang Mr. Smedley out to dry here... his comments are his own and I just reqested his input.. Sorry for all that think the NGE was somthing that its not.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I told you he replies to email and that I would not lie about it. Listen, you forget one major thing here... and you did not look into it.
One, I mean what I say.. Two, I LOVED THIS GAME... I am older and loved Star Wars... so FIRST AND FORMOST.... I WILL REPEAT I LOVED THE GAME.
As you can see, due to the fact I feel no need to lie or make no mistake I would not put a (part of a email out here for you to bash if it was not true) --- I infact hold true to my thoughts and beleifs.
I am sorry you had to find you that way, all hatered aside and anger--- I DID NOT want you to hear it like that.. maybe (And don't ask why I say this) -- wish you had not asked me to do it.
Maybe being ignorant to what is going on is best for people, no joke. Maybe some people do not need to know the truth.
But as I said, I keep my word and was not kidding.
Glad you found out.. but I guess I am not glad that you lost faith because of it.
--- I loved the game and John knew that.. he also said sorry to me.. but I did not think it was right to post that part.
You can understand now but at least you now know.
Listen, you forget one major thing here... and you did not look into it.
One, I mean what I say.. Two, I LOVED THIS GAME... I am older and loved Star Wars... so FIRST AND FORMOST.... I WILL REPEAT I LOVED THE GAME.
As you can see, due to the fact I feel no need to lie or make no mistake I would not put a (part of a email out here for you to bash if it was not true) --- I infact hold true to my thoughts and beleifs.
I am sorry you had to find you that way, all hatered aside and anger--- I DID NOT want you to hear it like that.. maybe (And don't ask why I say this) -- wish you had not asked me to do it.
Maybe being ignorant to what is going on is best for people, no joke. Maybe some people do not need to know the truth.
But as I said, I keep my word and was not kidding.
Glad you found out.. but I guess I am not glad that you lost faith because of it.
--- I loved the game and John knew that.. he also said sorry to me.. but I did not think it was right to post that part.
You can understand now but at least you now know.
Oh, stop with the "old" ...lol. I saw every Star Wars movie in the theatre when it released. I am no spring chicken myself. I too Love Star Wars, always have, always will even after this game. My faith was not lost on SW but a reaffirmation on folks as a whole......."They will do anything to win".
Again, I will always and I mean always ask for proof on a claim online. I don't care whether its you, Obraik, a Dev etc. Its othing personal and shouldn't be taken as such, just how I do things (especially at my job)
Show me the facts, because I will NEVER believe anything a person claims online (or in person for that fact). Show me where it says "xxx" or get the hell out of the way because you are a waste of my time.
No apologies are needed, I got the facts and I am now looking for a new game. Simple and effective.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
Mr. Smedley was honest-- I ask WHILE I HATE WHAT HE DID, I ask that we at least feel better in seeing what he said and meant to cover for me.
He DID not leave this old guy out to hang with Barrons email to him.
SO be it.. I now will of course send him a email thanking him, but regret I have to do so.
--- MMPORG... staff, I did not intend for things to end up like this here from the president of SOE -- if you hear from him.
lol Oh my... the PMs...
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by iskareot I told you he replies to email and that I would not lie about it. Listen, you forget one major thing here... and you did not look into it. One, I mean what I say.. Two, I LOVED THIS GAME... I am older and loved Star Wars... so FIRST AND FORMOST.... I WILL REPEAT I LOVED THE GAME. As you can see, due to the fact I feel no need to lie or make no mistake I would not put a (part of a email out here for you to bash if it was not true) --- I infact hold true to my thoughts and beleifs. I am sorry you had to find you that way, all hatered aside and anger--- I DID NOT want you to hear it like that.. maybe (And don't ask why I say this) -- wish you had not asked me to do it. Maybe being ignorant to what is going on is best for people, no joke. Maybe some people do not need to know the truth. But as I said, I keep my word and was not kidding. Glad you found out.. but I guess I am not glad that you lost faith because of it. --- I loved the game and John knew that.. he also said sorry to me.. but I did not think it was right to post that part. You can understand now but at least you now know.
Listen, you forget one major thing here... and you did not look into it. One, I mean what I say.. Two, I LOVED THIS GAME... I am older and loved Star Wars... so FIRST AND FORMOST.... I WILL REPEAT I LOVED THE GAME. As you can see, due to the fact I feel no need to lie or make no mistake I would not put a (part of a email out here for you to bash if it was not true) --- I infact hold true to my thoughts and beleifs. I am sorry you had to find you that way, all hatered aside and anger--- I DID NOT want you to hear it like that.. maybe (And don't ask why I say this) -- wish you had not asked me to do it. Maybe being ignorant to what is going on is best for people, no joke. Maybe some people do not need to know the truth. But as I said, I keep my word and was not kidding. Glad you found out.. but I guess I am not glad that you lost faith because of it. --- I loved the game and John knew that.. he also said sorry to me.. but I did not think it was right to post that part. You can understand now but at least you now know.
Listen, you forget one major thing here... and you did not look into it. One, I mean what I say.. Two, I LOVED THIS GAME... I am older and loved Star Wars... so FIRST AND FORMOST.... I WILL REPEAT I LOVED THE GAME. As you can see, due to the fact I feel no need to lie or make no mistake I would not put a (part of a email out here for you to bash if it was not true) --- I infact hold true to my thoughts and beleifs. I am sorry you had to find you that way, all hatered aside and anger--- I DID NOT want you to hear it like that.. maybe (And don't ask why I say this) -- wish you had not asked me to do it. Maybe being ignorant to what is going on is best for people, no joke. Maybe some people do not need to know the truth. But as I said, I keep my word and was not kidding. Glad you found out.. but I guess I am not glad that you lost faith because of it. --- I loved the game and John knew that.. he also said sorry to me.. but I did not think it was right to post that part. You can understand now but at least you now know.
Listen, you forget one major thing here... and you did not look into it. One, I mean what I say.. Two, I LOVED THIS GAME... I am older and loved Star Wars... so FIRST AND FORMOST.... I WILL REPEAT I LOVED THE GAME. As you can see, due to the fact I feel no need to lie or make no mistake I would not put a (part of a email out here for you to bash if it was not true) --- I infact hold true to my thoughts and beleifs. I am sorry you had to find you that way, all hatered aside and anger--- I DID NOT want you to hear it like that.. maybe (And don't ask why I say this) -- wish you had not asked me to do it. Maybe being ignorant to what is going on is best for people, no joke. Maybe some people do not need to know the truth. But as I said, I keep my word and was not kidding. Glad you found out.. but I guess I am not glad that you lost faith because of it. --- I loved the game and John knew that.. he also said sorry to me.. but I did not think it was right to post that part. You can understand now but at least you now know.
Oh, stop with the "old" ...lol. I saw every Star Wars movie in the theatre when it released. I am no spring chicken myself. I too Love Star Wars, always have, always will even after this game. My faith was not lost on SW but a reaffirmation on folks as a whole......."They will do anything to win".
Again, I will always and I mean always ask for proof on a claim online. I don't care whether its you, Obraik, a Dev etc. Its othing personal and shouldn't be taken as such, just how I do things (especially at my job)
Show me the facts, because I will NEVER believe anything a person claims online (or in person for that fact). Show me where it says "xxx" or get the hell out of the way because you are a waste of my time.
No apologies are needed, I got the facts and I am now looking for a new game. Simple and effective.
Ok man, listen I hate the game and how this went down.
Listen, just play the game.. Look if you love it then play it. I cannot tell you I think it's good or wise, no but listen if you really love the game now then play it while you can... , I can't but maybe you can stomach it.
BUT -- really if you love it just play it.. but at least now you know more and NOW for maybe a split second you see how we feel -- OR I FEEL because let me tell you, as your eyes just fell out of your head getting that email.. you now know how I felt getting one like it.
You ask why we are so angry? You can or at least for a second know... that is better then some NGErs here at least.
Play the game if you love it...just try to avoid us here..lol I am no joke sorry for making this bad in most respects.. I was not always like this and not so hateful. But... at least you can stand in my shoes with that email you now have as your reasons for being mad.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
If anything this might shut Tacola up with all his jibberish about the game yada yada...
Please... you NGE spinners...
Don't bother -- crap , this was a NGEr he emailed... I have no idea how this could be spun..lol
I am fresh out of zings for the day on this one... due to Mr. Smedley just flat out telling Baron what he said to me.
lol
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Ok man, listen I hate the game and how this went down. Listen, just play the game.. Look if you love it then play it. I cannot tell you I think it's good or wise.
BUT if you love it just play it.. but at least now you know more and NOW for maybe a split second you see how we feel -- OR I FEEL because let me tell you, as your eyes just fell out of your head getting that email.. you now know how I felt getting one like it.
You ask why we are so angry? You can or at least for a second know... that is better then some NGErs here at least.
Play the game if you love it...just try to avoid us here..lol I am no joke sorry for making this bad in most respects.. I was not always like this and not so hateful. But... at least you can stand in my shoes with that email you now have as your reasons for being mad.
Listen, just play the game.. Look if you love it then play it. I cannot tell you I think it's good or wise.
BUT if you love it just play it.. but at least now you know more and NOW for maybe a split second you see how we feel -- OR I FEEL because let me tell you, as your eyes just fell out of your head getting that email.. you now know how I felt getting one like it.
You ask why we are so angry? You can or at least for a second know... that is better then some NGErs here at least.
Play the game if you love it...just try to avoid us here..lol I am no joke sorry for making this bad in most respects.. I was not always like this and not so hateful. But... at least you can stand in my shoes with that email you now have as your reasons for being mad.
You honestly, believe that I truly enjoy the NGE? You honestly believe that I enjoyed watching my profession (Smuggler) evaporate in uniqueness and skill and to watch my wifes dual profession (BE/CH) simply vanish over night? You think I enjoy a semmi-FPS over what we had?
You can't stop to think that maybe, just maybe there was another reason? Because I tell you there was....friends. I have developed friendships over the last three years on there. When the CU came out we lost a few in our guild (One of the oldest on Bloodfin). Ok we said we picked up ourselves resigned to our losses and moved on.
Then the NGE hit.
Over night this old guild went from 85 3 year vets to 2. Me and one other. Needless to say it has taken nearly 9 months to get back on our feet and slowly see the returnof some of our folks (6 so far).
No, I do not like the NGE. Never have, but I stayed because of my friends which are more precious to me than anything in this world. But after I show them what was said, our guild Copper Dune, may just evaporate for good and those friends will move on to other games. We may keep in touch, but it will never be the same again.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
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iskareot, when is the last time you played SWG ? Just wondering if you have because you are wrong on alot of your comments. In fact the 'IMHO' statement needs to be in at least 5 places in your last post.
Yeah the ani's havent returned, but the combat other than that is the same. Skills are aquired differently, but they are there, except for posture change, which I liked.
Also, do you play a game now if not SWG? Wondering which one.
See that's interesting and someting I defanitely did not know. Question though, are Entertainers dealt with in the same way?
But again, unfortunately, I just have a hard time with having to create a new character to just be allowed to do more then one thing. Maybe most would dissagree but for me, one of SWG of old greatest strength was the flexibility in what one person could become and how that reflected each person/character.
Just seems a little distracting to be constently switching between characters to just do something different. But like I said, that's probably just a nitpick of mine and mine alone, I'm sure most people are fine with it and I'm being a baby about a small point.
To Fadeus - I used to like shooting those butterflies and monkeys as they attacked me while I was tending harvesters. It felt REAL.
To Shae, you are not being a baby and nitpicking at all. Switching between pre-rolled, pre-designed classes is NOT AT ALL the same as the pre-CU ability to be some of one and some of another. I was a proud Master Weaponsmith / Master Rifleman on Ahazi. I was able to defend myself while harvesting, heck I was even able to go to the Geonosian Lab on Yavin IV with friends and collect enhancements I wanted for my weapons.
Being able to both shoot AND make rifles was rather realistic to me. Most NGE defenders point to that as an "unfair advantage"; that it made me less interdependent. Funny thing was I still needed to visit entertainers, I still needed to buy foods, I still needed a tailor and an armorsmith. Their argument is bunk.
When I played NGE, I had a crafter character AND a combat character. It just was not the same. I wanted a character who was multi-talented, much like I am in real life. Your choices are made for you in the NGE, and to an intelligent person such as yourself, that is an insult.
If the acts themselves of tailoring and dancing are what you like, then by all means you can still do them in the NGE with your 2 character slot per server that you get. Not that anybody buys clothes anymore, they can loot them from the nearest butterfly or frog.
But if you want to Roleplay as a talented being capable of being both, that has been taken away from you (and me, because that is how I used to play).
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
The class enhancements are based on the Diablo 2 skill system, not the old SWG skill system. They completely miss the mark as far as duplicating anything even remotely like SWG's profession system. You can't add entertainer skills to your bounty hunter or trader. You can't add smuggler skills to your jedi, entertainer or trader. Basically all you can do is chose which attacks or defenses you get on your combat character.
The trader revamp as discussed so far looks to be nothing more than a stripped down version of what was already in place. The only reason a revamp is needed right now is because the system that launched was bypassed in favor of a kill, loot and repeat playstyle that was neither asked for or wanted by the players. Rather than fix the actual problem (a player based crafting system needs a sustainable player economy that is not loot > crafted based) they are throwing the bandaid fix of allowing loot to be improved via crafters. In otherwords changing crafters from those who create items into those who enhance items.
This is a different game. A game that isn't as good. End of story.
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones?
You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
10 months later and your making this sound like some great deal... after all the lies, missleadings and crap that has failed based on track record and you are actually trying to sell this crap?
FUNCTIONALITY???? I logged in not that LONG AGO AND HIT FORCE RUN AND AGROED A ENTIRE CITY????? W T F???? If you click to fast while trying to get on or off a BIKE YOU HEAR A CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK??? and it feels as smooth as rubbing your face on sandpaper.
How about the great function of moving stuff in your house? OR what happend to just the animations themselves... nothing more just the animations..
10 months later it is worse then before, 10 months later with less then 1/3 of the player base, and classes to worry about this is still a mistake.. 10 months later and your NOW trying to convience people the game is OK??? Are you freaking kidding me?
Look, I know you may mean well but man some people have common sense, they really do, they read, they learn, they base things on history, experience and word of mouth.
Sorry, but I will choose to believe what the president of the company that made the game told me and stay far freaking away from this "mistake" or product "he wished he did not make"..... thank you.
I just hope others have the sense to do the same.
OMG, dude quit lying. Force run doesnt agro anything. Sure it is different, so why do you insist on flaming a gaming you now longer play, which is obvious from your statments you are playing a different game totally than me. If you hate SOE and SWG so much then why continue to post.
the highlighted refers to the NGE, not the changes since or the current path, although that doesnt matter to you, all that matters to you is that they took your toys away, so the WHAMblance will be here shortly. Some lost their entire class, some lost achievements in game, I dont like it but that is the way it is. Move on or adapt. That is your only options. But I will be here to tell the truth and be fair, and you can be the flamer with irrelavent comments and non-factual statements. As long as we know our roles, it is all good
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About the trader revamp... The only thing any of us have to go on right now is what has been written by the devs and what the devs have released in the past. The RE system for shipwright is one I am very familiar with. It was borrowed from diablo 2. You take x number of looted parts, add them to your horadric cube errr crafting tool and then transmute errr RE them into the better loot. Until we see a different kind of RE system in the game that works in the manner you suggest (ie changing loot into CA/AAs) we can't really say that it won't be Horadric cube style.
As for the hate speak... LOL... You gonna call me a racist too?
Former SWG beta tester and player
About the trader revamp... The only thing any of us have to go on right now is what has been written by the devs and what the devs have released in the past. The RE system for shipwright is one I am very familiar with. It was borrowed from diablo 2. You take x number of looted parts, add them to your horadric cube errr crafting tool and then transmute errr RE them into the better loot. Until we see a different kind of RE system in the game that works in the manner you suggest (ie changing loot into CA/AAs) we can't really say that it won't be Horadric cube style.
As for the hate speak... LOL... You gonna call me a racist too?
I was just speaking from what the Devs said about the trader system, you have your own opinion. I perfer to at least have a Dev post to back what I say, when as you have , well... . The Reing of loot items to remove the stats, as tapes or AA's and then use them on crafted items is what was said. And that is what i said. Which you cant say with any turth is not what was said by the Devs, point blank.
You want the game to die, I want others to try it and make their own opinions, not use the opinion of bitter ex-swgs that were indeed done wrong with the NGE. But the NGE is alot different than it was after the first month of its release, once again a fact.
The class enhancements are based on the Diablo 2 skill system, not the old SWG skill system. They completely miss the mark as far as duplicating anything even remotely like SWG's profession system. You can't add entertainer skills to your bounty hunter or trader. You can't add smuggler skills to your jedi, entertainer or trader. Basically all you can do is chose which attacks or defenses you get on your combat character.
The trader revamp as discussed so far looks to be nothing more than a stripped down version of what was already in place. The only reason a revamp is needed right now is because the system that launched was bypassed in favor of a kill, loot and repeat playstyle that was neither asked for or wanted by the players. Rather than fix the actual problem (a player based crafting system needs a sustainable player economy that is not loot > crafted based) they are throwing the bandaid fix of allowing loot to be improved via crafters. In otherwords changing crafters from those who create items into those who enhance items.
This is a different game. A game that isn't as good. End of story.
You left out IMHO. They have brought back funtionality that existed in eariler version, that is a fact. I do combat using the same keymap I did CU. Sure it is not CU, but do you still play is the question? If so why if it isnt fun, and if not how do you know about the comparsion between old system and the new ones?
You are totally wrong in the trader revamp accessment. Traders arent going to enhance loot items, they are going to allow RE'ing of loot items to remove the stats, then apply them to CRAFTED armor/clothes using the slots, IE like CA/AA's again old functionality. Play the game them comment please. Otherwise it is just hate speak.
10 months later and your making this sound like some great deal... after all the lies, missleadings and crap that has failed based on track record and you are actually trying to sell this crap?
FUNCTIONALITY???? I logged in not that LONG AGO AND HIT FORCE RUN AND AGROED A ENTIRE CITY????? W T F???? If you click to fast while trying to get on or off a BIKE YOU HEAR A CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK??? and it feels as smooth as rubbing your face on sandpaper.
How about the great function of moving stuff in your house? OR what happend to just the animations themselves... nothing more just the animations..
10 months later it is worse then before, 10 months later with less then 1/3 of the player base, and classes to worry about this is still a mistake.. 10 months later and your NOW trying to convience people the game is OK??? Are you freaking kidding me?
Look, I know you may mean well but man some people have common sense, they really do, they read, they learn, they base things on history, experience and word of mouth.
Sorry, but I will choose to believe what the president of the company that made the game told me and stay far freaking away from this "mistake" or product "he wished he did not make"..... thank you.
I just hope others have the sense to do the same.
OMG, dude quit lying. Force run doesnt agro anything. Sure it is different, so why do you insist on flaming a gaming you now longer play, which is obvious from your statments you are playing a different game totally than me. If you hate SOE and SWG so much then why continue to post.
the highlighted refers to the NGE, not the changes since or the current path, although that doesnt matter to you, all that matters to you is that they took your toys away, so the WHAMblance will be here shortly. Some lost their entire class, some lost achievements in game, I dont like it but that is the way it is. Move on or adapt. That is your only options. But I will be here to tell the truth and be fair, and you can be the flamer with irrelavent comments and non-factual statements. As long as we know our roles, it is all good
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What part of he wished he did not do is hard for you to understand?
ALSO... being quite a wise player myself are you telling me that there is not or was not a bug that caused you to agro everything and not be able to get out of it? Are you serious?
What lie is that? Did the execs not call this a mistake????? I really think you need to get caught up on your reading... I really do.
You actually think this is some sort of succes story or somthing... the FUTURE is not bright, it is not about adapting... it is about being able to enjoy what was changed.
By all means with the great success that the NGE is I think your proof is just overflowing out of the bucket of crap.
Lol... Non factual comments... Yep.. Nice try, no cigar but nice I will give you that.
Show me all the GOOD posts and reports, reviews, and awards from the NGE and comments made from the Exec team, Smedley, about the NGE...
I know I can show you the bad things they said about it... that is easy.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
About the trader revamp... The only thing any of us have to go on right now is what has been written by the devs and what the devs have released in the past. The RE system for shipwright is one I am very familiar with. It was borrowed from diablo 2. You take x number of looted parts, add them to your horadric cube errr crafting tool and then transmute errr RE them into the better loot. Until we see a different kind of RE system in the game that works in the manner you suggest (ie changing loot into CA/AAs) we can't really say that it won't be Horadric cube style.
As for the hate speak... LOL... You gonna call me a racist too?
I was just speaking from what the Devs said about the trader system, you have your own opinion. I perfer to at least have a Dev post to back what I say, when as you have , well... . The Reing of loot items to remove the stats, as tapes or AA's and then use them on crafted items is what was said. And that is what i said. Which you cant say with any turth is not what was said by the Devs, point blank.
You want the game to die, I want others to try it and make their own opinions, not use the opinion of bitter ex-swgs that were indeed done wrong with the NGE. But the NGE is alot different than it was after the first month of its release, once again a fact.
You know somthing about that line says so much, but yet so many people just won't see it lol.
True, most will proably take away from that statement that if you have play the game in 8 months you proably dont know what you are talking about. LOL !!!FLAMEON!!!
A month ago... played from beta 2 --did all the classes, was in all the betas, did 145 badges, also attended the fan fests, summits and some other crap.
Sadly know enough about the game from the engine being 6 years old, to knowing that the smuggler system has been promised more times then I can remember... and then finding out Jedi was made into a starting class based on marketing for the NGE to get the younger kids to come play...
Now then, I know the bugs in the game and I know how bad they are that 3.7 years later or so that this is the stage the game is at.
Not new content, not new expanisons and ADDING SERVERS, but seeing ones with tumbleeeds blowing by in some of them and hearing the Execs say this was a MISTAKE AND FOR OTHER COMPANIES NOT TO MAKE THE SAME ONE...
The skills are not the same... do not even try this, coming from a pre9 Jedi -- pub 6 actually and trying to say that the NGE is even close to the pre- NGE.. is a lie, My Jedi Knight enhancer begs to differ, from the saber to the animations, to the poke poke slash Benny Hill feel to the horrid laggy feel.
To the ROBE being needed the loss of innate armor, to the idea that pink hawtpants helps a Jedi with mods on it, to the combat by all means being not the same at all.. a 30 second battle is not the same as CU battles with a wise BH, not to mention the risk, the hunt, the loss and the decay ... SO do NOT COMPARE this NGE combat without loss, risk, decay, animations, combat style, targeting, hotkeys, or even having that giant ass circle thing for use as a target with that Nickel plated Rocket launcher as the same comabt.. because guess what? It's not...
Same..lol-- man I want what your smoking.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
About the trader revamp... The only thing any of us have to go on right now is what has been written by the devs and what the devs have released in the past. The RE system for shipwright is one I am very familiar with. It was borrowed from diablo 2. You take x number of looted parts, add them to your horadric cube errr crafting tool and then transmute errr RE them into the better loot. Until we see a different kind of RE system in the game that works in the manner you suggest (ie changing loot into CA/AAs) we can't really say that it won't be Horadric cube style.
As for the hate speak... LOL... You gonna call me a racist too?
I was just speaking from what the Devs said about the trader system, you have your own opinion. I perfer to at least have a Dev post to back what I say, when as you have , well... . The Reing of loot items to remove the stats, as tapes or AA's and then use them on crafted items is what was said. And that is what i said. Which you cant say with any turth is not what was said by the Devs, point blank.
You want the game to die, I want others to try it and make their own opinions, not use the opinion of bitter ex-swgs that were indeed done wrong with the NGE. But the NGE is alot different than it was after the first month of its release, once again a fact.
You know somthing about that line says so much, but yet so many people just won't see it lol.
True, most will proably take away from that statement that if you have play the game in 8 months you proably dont know what you are talking about. LOL !!!FLAMEON!!!
No doubt all they need to do is go look for the bug reports and issues right now..lol
Then even better, go look up what the games current status and selling rate is at thier local game store.
Thank goodness for people with common sense.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
See that's interesting and someting I defanitely did not know. Question though, are Entertainers dealt with in the same way?
But again, unfortunately, I just have a hard time with having to create a new character to just be allowed to do more then one thing. Maybe most would dissagree but for me, one of SWG of old greatest strength was the flexibility in what one person could become and how that reflected each person/character.
Just seems a little distracting to be constently switching between characters to just do something different. But like I said, that's probably just a nitpick of mine and mine alone, I'm sure most people are fine with it and I'm being a baby about a small point.
I totally agree with you. I'm a vet that started playing since launch. I have gone back for the first time since I quit because of NGE, mainly because I miss the game so much. I thought maybe with "auto-target" being implemented.. things wouldnt be so bad. Well, I was wrong the game still blows as much as it did when NGE first came out. I absoulutly HATE the lack of diversity with having only 9 professions. I hate having to make an alt to try something new... and I hate having to respec to try something new.
I see the points of some in this thread... "to a new player the game might be fun".
I look at it this way..... if your out to buy a car and are looking at buying a Ford Festiva... the little piece o crap car may be all you need. But, swg was once a Rolls Royce (Insert beatutiful car of your choice here) ...and the devs transformed it into a Ford Festiva (Insert crappy car of your choice here). New players dont know the difference.... because the NGE game fills their needs....but older players that remember the beauty of the former game will not settle for this NGE crap...or a Ford Festiva.
“We’ve had great responses from the players. The last two patches were player initiated bug fixes and lingering issues. The Expertise system is going in and has been well received,” added Jason Ryan, the Events Manager for SWG.
“Players have been very upbeat on the forums and the questions are mostly about the future and what the game is about moving forward,” added Alan Crosby, Director of Community Relations.
I guess this is just where I stumble with the current iteration of SWG. Whilst I can certainly see the appeal from a development stand point of simplifying to "classes", being forced to remain ever so static is just a little hard for me to swallow. At least I know I'm not the only out there.
Not that I don't believe Fad when he says he enjoys it, I've always respected him that way and we're all entitled to our wonderful oppinions and as I said before, I'll never be completely opposed to trying the game again.
When I did try it, it just seemed strange and unsual, I'm not the type of person that deals with change very well, that's a flaw for sure and NGE was radically different from the game I cared for and played for so long, it was hard to re-establish that bond, that feeling of permenance inside a star wars universe. As a RP'er, I have a hard time defining how myself as a character would just simply occupy herself doing either nothing but dancing or nothing but crafting or shooting and hitting stuff for that matter.
Oh well, interesting thread though everybody.
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About the trader revamp... The only thing any of us have to go on right now is what has been written by the devs and what the devs have released in the past. The RE system for shipwright is one I am very familiar with. It was borrowed from diablo 2. You take x number of looted parts, add them to your horadric cube errr crafting tool and then transmute errr RE them into the better loot. Until we see a different kind of RE system in the game that works in the manner you suggest (ie changing loot into CA/AAs) we can't really say that it won't be Horadric cube style.
As for the hate speak... LOL... You gonna call me a racist too?
I was just speaking from what the Devs said about the trader system, you have your own opinion. I perfer to at least have a Dev post to back what I say, when as you have , well... . The Reing of loot items to remove the stats, as tapes or AA's and then use them on crafted items is what was said. And that is what i said. Which you cant say with any turth is not what was said by the Devs, point blank.
You want the game to die, I want others to try it and make their own opinions, not use the opinion of bitter ex-swgs that were indeed done wrong with the NGE. But the NGE is alot different than it was after the first month of its release, once again a fact.
You know somthing about that line says so much, but yet so many people just won't see it lol.
True, most will proably take away from that statement that if you have play the game in 8 months you proably dont know what you are talking about. LOL !!!FLAMEON!!!
No doubt all they need to do is go look for the bug reports and issues right now..lol
Then even better, go look up what the games current status and selling rate is at thier local game store.
Thank goodness for people with common sense.
You have those numbers handy, oh forget who I was talking to, !!!FLAMEON!!!
Again with the mindless banter.
Maybe they could just give the game a try? If people truely have common sense, they would try it before taken my word or yours? Seems you are afraid if they tried it, some might *GASP* like it. P.
About the trader revamp... The only thing any of us have to go on right now is what has been written by the devs and what the devs have released in the past. The RE system for shipwright is one I am very familiar with. It was borrowed from diablo 2. You take x number of looted parts, add them to your horadric cube errr crafting tool and then transmute errr RE them into the better loot. Until we see a different kind of RE system in the game that works in the manner you suggest (ie changing loot into CA/AAs) we can't really say that it won't be Horadric cube style.
As for the hate speak... LOL... You gonna call me a racist too?
I was just speaking from what the Devs said about the trader system, you have your own opinion. I perfer to at least have a Dev post to back what I say, when as you have , well... . The Reing of loot items to remove the stats, as tapes or AA's and then use them on crafted items is what was said. And that is what i said. Which you cant say with any turth is not what was said by the Devs, point blank.
You want the game to die, I want others to try it and make their own opinions, not use the opinion of bitter ex-swgs that were indeed done wrong with the NGE. But the NGE is alot different than it was after the first month of its release, once again a fact.
You know somthing about that line says so much, but yet so many people just won't see it lol.
True, most will proably take away from that statement that if you have play the game in 8 months you proably dont know what you are talking about. LOL !!!FLAMEON!!!
No doubt all they need to do is go look for the bug reports and issues right now..lol
Then even better, go look up what the games current status and selling rate is at thier local game store.
Thank goodness for people with common sense.
You have those numbers handy, oh forget who I was talking to, !!!FLAMEON!!!
Again with the mindless banter.
Maybe they could just give the game a try? If people truely have common sense, they would try it before taken my word or yours? Seems you are afraid if they tried it, some might *GASP* like it. P.
Nope I will use the current player base numbers for that fact.
But again, let's keep in mind what the Execs and Smedley said shall we?
Go to his blog site, then go look at what was said at the Austin conference.
Sorry, I have to think these guys do mean it when they say "Do not make our mistake" or "I would not make the same decisions again" ..
Sorry, they may know a bit more then you or I in this respect.
Knowing what the game is like now or has a track record of or the great reviews or feeling you get from the people that make it is enough for most.
I like to think people will look at that and help that make a judgment in playing the game. Just like I hope people do not get on a Airplane that has a broken engine while they know it does.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I believe Fad as well, he posts straight up and honestly. I was pointing out that while he might find the no-aggro feature cool, some of us don't. I dislike the concept. So I die while tending my harvesters....no biggie to me. I loved the adrenaline rush of avoiding red dots while I hurried to empty them.
I played NGE for 4 1/2 months as a split character, so it IS playable but like you said, it just was not the same. My characters TekBacca and Cruuz were not even close as replacements for Bradshaw Lightyear - Hybrid Crafter / Warrior.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
First, to Iskareot. Thanks for finally posting the email. I copied it and sent it it to Smedley and this was my response:
"Yes, that was an email I sent.
1) The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
2) We should have engaged the playerbase. Springing it on them while well intentioned was not a good idea. This is my single biggest regret and the thing I feel worst about.
3) It was a business decision based upon a declining playerbase. One thing that’s lost in this discussion is that with the playerbase leaving we had to do something. It’s great to get emails from players where they say SWG before the NGE was the greatest game ever, but the declining playerbase told us something different.
4) I believe the fundamental design of SWG had some bad flaws right from the start. The # of professions was certainly one of the problem areas. It made balancing and making the game interesting extremely difficult.
5) After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Ordinarily I would be happy to engage in a debate, but every time the discussion turns into “why not do a rollback”.. which just isn’t practical and isn’t going to happen. "
From: XXXXXXXX [mailto:XXXXXXX@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:42 PM
To: Smedley, John
Subject: Clarification on a comment made
Good Afternoon,I wonder if you could clarify a comment made by a former SWG player about the NGE in an ongoing discussion.
For reference the comment was on MMORPG.com, SWG General discussion room under the title of "SWG now in the present". Specifically page 7 with your email comment.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/94729/page/7
with screenshots posted at:
http://www.advsoftech.com/~mmonroe/Smed/new_page_2.htm
The email referenced was:
"Actually I've repeatedly said I wouldn't make the same decision again.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael -XXXXXXXXX
To: Smedley, John
Sent: Tue Sep 12 12:12:06 2006
Subject: On Michael Pachters comments..
Since you seem to be able to look at his comments and say you dissagree, can you not debate the NGE and your ideas and failed concept and backing of that idea?
Some of us would really like to see what your input is now that most of your team has said or spoke of what the truth is.
I rather you see you say this was a mistake like they did. I still feel you did not listen to us, did not heed our warning of what would happen to the player base for SWG and now it shows.
I have never seen somthing go so wrong in game actually and this is now being compared to E.T. for the Atari 2600. (which is bad)
I would like to see a real debate, not a fake one or pre- questioned one.
Or at least someone taking responsibility for this mess.
After all of this time I think we deserve it as the old player base you kicked to the curb. The NGE was a mistake plain and simple."
My question is about the comment 'Actually I've repeatedly said I wouldn't make the same decision again. "
1. What decision where you referring to?
a. What it the NGE as a whole?
b. A specific areas of the NGE (Launch time, FPS style, 9 professions etc.)?
c. Something entirely different?
Feel free to join the discussion. Thank you for your time .
Second: You were right, and I give credit due to where it is deserved. Kudos!
Third: Next time instead of the insulting and silly name calling, just post a screen or copy. That is all I and others asked for and got nothing but double talk and slander. What would have taken 3 seconds and 6 pages less on here to do took way longer. Yes, I don't believe everything everyone says on the internet (I know I am one of the rarities out here) and I demand to see proof of claims not simply" because I said he said it".
Fourth: SWG just lost my subscription.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
I told you he replies to email and that I would not lie about it.
Listen, you forget one major thing here... and you did not look into it.
One, I mean what I say.. Two, I LOVED THIS GAME... I am older and loved Star Wars... so FIRST AND FORMOST.... I WILL REPEAT I LOVED THE GAME.
As you can see, due to the fact I feel no need to lie or make no mistake I would not put a (part of a email out here for you to bash if it was not true) --- I infact hold true to my thoughts and word when I mean it.
I am sorry you had to find you that way, all hatered aside and anger--- I DID NOT want you to hear it like that.. maybe (And don't ask why I say this) -- wish you had not asked me to do it.
Maybe being ignorant to what is going on is best for people, no joke. Maybe some people do not need to know the truth.
But as I said, I keep my word and was not kidding.
Glad you found out.. but I guess I am not glad that you lost faith because of it.
--- I loved the game and John knew that.. he also said sorry to me.. but I did not think it was right to post that part.
You can understand now but at least you now know.
Listen man I can't stand you -- I admit that BUT LISTEN.. no jokes now... IF YOU LOVE THE GAME like we once did then crap, play it til it dies... WE CANT , but maybe you can.. I give Obriak and others shit, but if you love the game like we once did then maybe you can take it..
WE CANT, I told you the truth I did not lie and I am really sorry that you had to get it like that from the man himself.
In some ways maybe OTHER PEOPLE CAN LEARN from this.
If anything - at least they know I was not kidding or making this up.
Mr. Smedley hung himself out for my comments today AS MUCH AS I AM PISSED off I did just risk some things... some people here know that.
So for the OBRIAKS, Ntnouns.. or whatever.... If you STILL CANNOT see what is a failure then I am sorry you are just that blind.
Peace!
Isk...
I want to be clear here, I DID not want to hang Mr. Smedley out to dry here... his comments are his own and I just reqested his input.. Sorry for all that think the NGE was somthing that its not.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Oh, stop with the "old" ...lol. I saw every Star Wars movie in the theatre when it released. I am no spring chicken myself. I too Love Star Wars, always have, always will even after this game. My faith was not lost on SW but a reaffirmation on folks as a whole......."They will do anything to win".
Again, I will always and I mean always ask for proof on a claim online. I don't care whether its you, Obraik, a Dev etc. Its othing personal and shouldn't be taken as such, just how I do things (especially at my job)
Show me the facts, because I will NEVER believe anything a person claims online (or in person for that fact). Show me where it says "xxx" or get the hell out of the way because you are a waste of my time.
No apologies are needed, I got the facts and I am now looking for a new game. Simple and effective.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
All of you guys realize how much shit this is going to bring right?
I mean really... Barron, I know you needed to see it so I understand but now... crap.
I am going to feel this one in a few PMs and emails..lol
also --
email is
iskareot@ameritech.net if people need to spam me.. with crap.
Mr. Smedley was honest-- I ask WHILE I HATE WHAT HE DID, I ask that we at least feel better in seeing what he said and meant to cover for me.
He DID not leave this old guy out to hang with Barrons email to him.
SO be it.. I now will of course send him a email thanking him, but regret I have to do so.
--- MMPORG... staff, I did not intend for things to end up like this here from the president of SOE -- if you hear from him.
lol Oh my... the PMs...
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Oh, stop with the "old" ...lol. I saw every Star Wars movie in the theatre when it released. I am no spring chicken myself. I too Love Star Wars, always have, always will even after this game. My faith was not lost on SW but a reaffirmation on folks as a whole......."They will do anything to win".
Again, I will always and I mean always ask for proof on a claim online. I don't care whether its you, Obraik, a Dev etc. Its othing personal and shouldn't be taken as such, just how I do things (especially at my job)
Show me the facts, because I will NEVER believe anything a person claims online (or in person for that fact). Show me where it says "xxx" or get the hell out of the way because you are a waste of my time.
No apologies are needed, I got the facts and I am now looking for a new game. Simple and effective.
Ok man, listen I hate the game and how this went down.
Listen, just play the game.. Look if you love it then play it. I cannot tell you I think it's good or wise, no but listen if you really love the game now then play it while you can... , I can't but maybe you can stomach it.
BUT -- really if you love it just play it.. but at least now you know more and NOW for maybe a split second you see how we feel -- OR I FEEL because let me tell you, as your eyes just fell out of your head getting that email.. you now know how I felt getting one like it.
You ask why we are so angry? You can or at least for a second know... that is better then some NGErs here at least.
Play the game if you love it...just try to avoid us here..lol I am no joke sorry for making this bad in most respects.. I was not always like this and not so hateful. But... at least you can stand in my shoes with that email you now have as your reasons for being mad.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
If anything this might shut Tacola up with all his jibberish about the game yada yada...
Please... you NGE spinners...
Don't bother -- crap , this was a NGEr he emailed... I have no idea how this could be spun..lol
I am fresh out of zings for the day on this one... due to Mr. Smedley just flat out telling Baron what he said to me.
lol
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
You honestly, believe that I truly enjoy the NGE? You honestly believe that I enjoyed watching my profession (Smuggler) evaporate in uniqueness and skill and to watch my wifes dual profession (BE/CH) simply vanish over night? You think I enjoy a semmi-FPS over what we had?
You can't stop to think that maybe, just maybe there was another reason? Because I tell you there was....friends. I have developed friendships over the last three years on there. When the CU came out we lost a few in our guild (One of the oldest on Bloodfin). Ok we said we picked up ourselves resigned to our losses and moved on.
Then the NGE hit.
Over night this old guild went from 85 3 year vets to 2. Me and one other. Needless to say it has taken nearly
9 months to get back on our feet and slowly see the returnof some of our folks (6 so far).
No, I do not like the NGE. Never have, but I stayed because of my friends which are more precious to me than anything in this world. But after I show them what was said, our guild Copper Dune, may just evaporate for good and those friends will move on to other games. We may keep in touch, but it will never be the same again.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
HEY POP, yeah so I got called out on my credibility by this Baron Von ju ju bee guy...lol
HOW ARE YA?
Hope your well man... CCF FTW... I have those shots somewhere of us giving those white wooks Hell that day lol..
Haha, not bad here...
Givin that extree fi'teen dollur to the teevee preacher
Love, Sodapop