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  • kranfkranf Member Posts: 5

    Truth be told I could care less how good NGE is, they could even roll back and have the pre cu servers.  Bottom line is I was that 3% that did not want to be a JEDI, I spent my time (from beta 3) working into a master armorer and pistoleer.  I had millions of units of rare resources, which I spent years tracking, mining and hunting to make uber armor for those who could afford it, and good armor for those who couldn't.  over night I wass left out in the cold without even a reach around.  Over 2 years of my life taken and not even consideration for crafters who were the backbone of an economy.   Could not care about the issues that have been discussed over the year or so since NGE.  The old game was flawed but it was the game I loved and poured my admittly geek crafter soul into..... won't go back cause once bitten  hell you know the rest.

    Imacoe Conspiratori

    Elicipse sever

    12 exp point master armorer

  • ArtifacTArtifacT Member Posts: 222


    Originally posted by kranf

    Truth be told I could care less how good NGE is, they could even roll back and have the pre cu servers.  Bottom line is I was that 3% that did not want to be a JEDI, I spent my time (from beta 3) working into a master armorer and pistoleer.  I had millions of units of rare resources, which I spent years tracking, mining and hunting to make uber armor for those who could afford it, and good armor for those who couldn't.  over night I wass left out in the cold without even a reach around.  Over 2 years of my life taken and not even consideration for crafters who were the backbone of an economy.   Could not care about the issues that have been discussed over the year or so since NGE.  The old game was flawed but it was the game I loved and poured my admittly geek crafter soul into..... won't go back cause once bitten  hell you know the rest.

    Imacoe Conspiratori
    Elicipse sever
    12 exp point master armorer


    wow i know EXACTLY how u feel! i spent my time in SWG mastering ranger so i could help our guild's master armorer (lol im actually serious) and i was always the one that led the hunts for hard to find animals and excellent resources... that is what i really miss about SWG hunting with and helping out the guild i also will never go back for basically the same reason u said
  • ObraikObraik Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,261


    Originally posted by iskareot

    Originally posted by Obraik

    Originally posted by iskareot

    Originally posted by Tacola

    Originally posted by iskareot

    Originally posted by Temploiter
    This thread has devolved into circular arguments and retard tagging.


    I know.. it's wearing me thin, I get Smedley to email and post somthing as fact, I rebuttle the OP with the thought of it and people have tried to read it as some sort of positive thing.

    I just read these and wonder WTF.

    Here I am arguing that the NGE is a bad prodcut... and is a failure and mistake.   I could get the makers of the freaking game to say that and people will still argue this.   ... I just wonder..lol


    He never said the current changes or the current turns the game has taken was a mistake, And I never argued that NGE was a good product.  My point was and is the game is alot better than 12/05.  The changes have indeed brought back some of the functionality and SWG is picking up subs, according the DEVs but you wont quote that.  You are not arguing that NGE was a mistake, because there is no one to agrue with, not me for sure.  The makers of the game never said it was dying, in fact they said it was they biggest gainer as of late.  you are a bitter dude, and I still dont understand why you care if others like SWG now. And as I said before which you overlooked as you do most facts I have said in my post, The fact I like SWG now does not mean I like it more than pre-CU or CU or even that the implementation of NGE wasnt a mistake.  Just they have done alot of good to the state of the game since NGE was released. IMHO


    Even I know that once at the bottom the only way to go is up.

    But I also have the sense to know what is a sinking ship with water in the bow as well.

    The fact you even have to defend that they had to change the game since 12/5 is bad enough, the worst part about this is YOUR TRYING TO ARGUE with someone who knew this would happen and predicted it in many many posts long before you were even around.   Now then, if you think I trust one thing that one Dev would say anywhere then you sir are lost.   I will however trust a email from the president of the company.  I feel he is more of a respected person and would not risk alot of his persona based on that.

    Saying they have done alot of good to the game since it launched means what??? That they have done damage control so much that you should be happy now?   Come on, who are you trying to kid?  Your attempts at some sort of word or sly game to show that the NGE is a great and working thing is silly.

    Smedley NO WHERE AT ALL has posted anywhere that the game is gaining people as of late or by all means is a success.   Not one producer has said it is gaining people or doing well.. In fact they have said the complete opposite.  In fact I have NEVER seen any sort of comments made by the Dev team or Producers, President that the game is doing well and or gaining customers or is some sort of success... please by all means tell Smedley that because I don't think he even knows it.

    Again saying they have done good since the NGE was released is kinda funny if you think about it... for a split second if you realize that no time should have been wasted in even making it.

    From the bottom of somthing you can only go up... the funny thing is that 3.7 years into this , THAT should NOT be what is happening, but you fail to see this.


    http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/874


    I hope you don't mean this one:

    “In late winter through early spring, SWG was one of SOE's biggest gainers in terms of new players to a live game, coming through both the trials and through new software purchases,” said Chris Kramer, Director of Corporate Communications.

    Yes the spin of marketing... so for a brief time while promoting the game this is what you get:

    I am willing to bet this is NO DOUBT WITHOUT A DOUBT TRUE THEY GAINED almost ALL NEW PLAYERS, in fact I am willing to take this further and say.. I bet that 90% of the people that joined Star Wars are new people that never , ever saw the game or logged in before..

    Obriak you know damn well by now they have filtered 95% of us anti-NGErs out of the game and forums by now..lol Who left is there to argue it sucks?   What you really need to do is look back 8-9 months and then see what people thought.

    You keep forgetting that most of LEFT THE GAME, so there is only the NGErs left more so.   I mean come on, getting someone to say "The people on the forums are more positive" is great... but see, most of the people that did not approve of this version LEFT ALREADY lol..

    Who the crap is going to debate that lol???

    I am going to go stand in the middle of a forest  alone and say that I saw a tree fall and not make a sound...whos gonna argue that?   It could have fallen on 29 tons of cotton?  Who knows?  Nobody was there to argue it lol.

    Now, I know you cannot understand this, or may be able to handle this part:

    NO SHIT... Because there is NOBODY ELSE THAT WOULD PLAY IT, the older players that know what happend are not that stupid to come back in flocks to it, they have learned from thier mistakes and used common sense over PR spin and marketing.

    While do not get me wrong, they have a good one, they made Jedi fighting Vader look really nice for the NGE commercial, at the same time we all know those animations were um *COUGH* not from the NGE... but hey.. pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

    Now ask if they held thier playerbase?   Ask if they have loyal customers and have done well by them? Ask them if they consider thier product a good one with promise and has a good track reccord? Ask them if they had good reviews and recieved some good awards for it?

    This is almost funny to be said in the same lines of the sky is blue... 

    Your right... I am willing to BET THAT SWG HAS GAINED ALMOST ALL NEW PLAYERS THAT NEVER PLAYED THE GAME... Oh I agree with that one for sure.

    Tim Timmerman quote, summit in Indy this summer "Ignorance is bliss in the game right now"........    Yep it is.


    Have you looked at the forums?  I'd say the majority of the posts there are by purple names, ie Vets.

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  • CasualMakerCasualMaker Member UncommonPosts: 862
    Ah, Corbantis...  I have a nice riverfront house a couple K SSW of Keren.  Put in over a year's worth of maintenance in case SOE decided to turn it back on.  But I doubt I'll ever see it again since only a pre-NGE game (better yet, pre-CU with fixes) would be worth playing.

  • iskareotiskareot Member Posts: 2,143


    Originally posted by Obraik

    Originally posted by iskareot

    Originally posted by Obraik

    Originally posted by iskareot

    Originally posted by Tacola

    Originally posted by iskareot

    Originally posted by Temploiter
    This thread has devolved into circular arguments and retard tagging.


    I know.. it's wearing me thin, I get Smedley to email and post somthing as fact, I rebuttle the OP with the thought of it and people have tried to read it as some sort of positive thing.

    I just read these and wonder WTF.

    Here I am arguing that the NGE is a bad prodcut... and is a failure and mistake.   I could get the makers of the freaking game to say that and people will still argue this.   ... I just wonder..lol


    He never said the current changes or the current turns the game has taken was a mistake, And I never argued that NGE was a good product.  My point was and is the game is alot better than 12/05.  The changes have indeed brought back some of the functionality and SWG is picking up subs, according the DEVs but you wont quote that.  You are not arguing that NGE was a mistake, because there is no one to agrue with, not me for sure.  The makers of the game never said it was dying, in fact they said it was they biggest gainer as of late.  you are a bitter dude, and I still dont understand why you care if others like SWG now. And as I said before which you overlooked as you do most facts I have said in my post, The fact I like SWG now does not mean I like it more than pre-CU or CU or even that the implementation of NGE wasnt a mistake.  Just they have done alot of good to the state of the game since NGE was released. IMHO


    Even I know that once at the bottom the only way to go is up.

    But I also have the sense to know what is a sinking ship with water in the bow as well.

    The fact you even have to defend that they had to change the game since 12/5 is bad enough, the worst part about this is YOUR TRYING TO ARGUE with someone who knew this would happen and predicted it in many many posts long before you were even around.   Now then, if you think I trust one thing that one Dev would say anywhere then you sir are lost.   I will however trust a email from the president of the company.  I feel he is more of a respected person and would not risk alot of his persona based on that.

    Saying they have done alot of good to the game since it launched means what??? That they have done damage control so much that you should be happy now?   Come on, who are you trying to kid?  Your attempts at some sort of word or sly game to show that the NGE is a great and working thing is silly.

    Smedley NO WHERE AT ALL has posted anywhere that the game is gaining people as of late or by all means is a success.   Not one producer has said it is gaining people or doing well.. In fact they have said the complete opposite.  In fact I have NEVER seen any sort of comments made by the Dev team or Producers, President that the game is doing well and or gaining customers or is some sort of success... please by all means tell Smedley that because I don't think he even knows it.

    Again saying they have done good since the NGE was released is kinda funny if you think about it... for a split second if you realize that no time should have been wasted in even making it.

    From the bottom of somthing you can only go up... the funny thing is that 3.7 years into this , THAT should NOT be what is happening, but you fail to see this.


    http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/874


    I hope you don't mean this one:

    “In late winter through early spring, SWG was one of SOE's biggest gainers in terms of new players to a live game, coming through both the trials and through new software purchases,” said Chris Kramer, Director of Corporate Communications.

    Yes the spin of marketing... so for a brief time while promoting the game this is what you get:

    I am willing to bet this is NO DOUBT WITHOUT A DOUBT TRUE THEY GAINED almost ALL NEW PLAYERS, in fact I am willing to take this further and say.. I bet that 90% of the people that joined Star Wars are new people that never , ever saw the game or logged in before..

    Obriak you know damn well by now they have filtered 95% of us anti-NGErs out of the game and forums by now..lol Who left is there to argue it sucks?   What you really need to do is look back 8-9 months and then see what people thought.

    You keep forgetting that most of LEFT THE GAME, so there is only the NGErs left more so.   I mean come on, getting someone to say "The people on the forums are more positive" is great... but see, most of the people that did not approve of this version LEFT ALREADY lol..

    Who the crap is going to debate that lol???

    I am going to go stand in the middle of a forest  alone and say that I saw a tree fall and not make a sound...whos gonna argue that?   It could have fallen on 29 tons of cotton?  Who knows?  Nobody was there to argue it lol.

    Now, I know you cannot understand this, or may be able to handle this part:

    NO SHIT... Because there is NOBODY ELSE THAT WOULD PLAY IT, the older players that know what happend are not that stupid to come back in flocks to it, they have learned from thier mistakes and used common sense over PR spin and marketing.

    While do not get me wrong, they have a good one, they made Jedi fighting Vader look really nice for the NGE commercial, at the same time we all know those animations were um *COUGH* not from the NGE... but hey.. pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

    Now ask if they held thier playerbase?   Ask if they have loyal customers and have done well by them? Ask them if they consider thier product a good one with promise and has a good track reccord? Ask them if they had good reviews and recieved some good awards for it?

    This is almost funny to be said in the same lines of the sky is blue... 

    Your right... I am willing to BET THAT SWG HAS GAINED ALMOST ALL NEW PLAYERS THAT NEVER PLAYED THE GAME... Oh I agree with that one for sure.

    Tim Timmerman quote, summit in Indy this summer "Ignorance is bliss in the game right now"........    Yep it is.


    Have you looked at the forums?  I'd say the majority of the posts there are by purple names, ie Vets.



    Yes Vets that failed the first time or came back.    Some that are there are not there for the NGE but to chat... even I know that.

    So many people came back that are NOW vets due to them leaving in the CU and then coming back, getting Jedi of course and now being able to wear big pants.

    Nice... I see alot of that on the boards and did before I left.

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    I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
    SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
    Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1

  • iskareotiskareot Member Posts: 2,143


    Originally posted by nthnaoun
    Can you answer a Yes or No question Iskareot?


    Lol always trying to load one up.

    Yes I can, Can you?

    ______________________________
    I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
    SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
    Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1

  • nthnaounnthnaoun Member Posts: 1,438


    Originally posted by iskareot

    Originally posted by nthnaoun
    Can you answer a Yes or No question Iskareot?


    Lol always trying to load one up.

    Yes I can, Can you?


    That's what I thought. This was a yes or no question by the way. Many people have posted yes or no questions to you and you've avoided answering them. Some people just want you to answer yes or no to a question and nothing more.
  • wolfmannwolfmann Member Posts: 1,159


    Originally posted by nthnaoun

    Originally posted by iskareot

    Originally posted by nthnaoun
    Can you answer a Yes or No question Iskareot?


    Lol always trying to load one up.

    Yes I can, Can you?


    That's what I thought. This was a yes or no question by the way. Many people have posted yes or no questions to you and you've avoided answering them. Some people just want you to answer yes or no to a question and nothing more.



    No

    did I get it right?

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  • ObeeObee Member Posts: 1,550


    Originally posted by nthnaoun

    Originally posted by iskareot

    Originally posted by nthnaoun
    Can you answer a Yes or No question Iskareot?


    Lol always trying to load one up.

    Yes I can, Can you?


    That's what I thought. This was a yes or no question by the way. Many people have posted yes or no questions to you and you've avoided answering them. Some people just want you to answer yes or no to a question and nothing more.



    That's the problem with discussion forums, lousy people have discussions on them instead of just asking and answering questions...


  • ZebbaDZebbaD Member Posts: 5

    LOL even the name of this topic makes me laugh. Since when had SWG been in the present? One big update and everythings gravy?

    SWG is a fading shadow in the online gaming world. Stay there if you want, but don't complain in 6 months time when you log in and find your all on your own.

    It's too easy to take down this game, and way too much effort to try and support it.

    ZebbaD

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  • Daed710Daed710 Member Posts: 134


    Originally posted by iskareot

    *snippet*
    However, my 7 year old did like it.. he thought it was fun... so maybe there is a market for it after all who knows.




    LMAO, best line of the whole thread  

    And thanks for posting your Smed email Isk, very informative for those that haven't yet seen his (and other suits) remarks on that very subject, the failure of the NGE.

    It really doesnt get more cut-n-dry than that, when you have the president of SOE saying that the NGE was a mistake and if given the chance he would not do it again.   I fail to understand how people would still debate this, by no means of measurement can the release or performance of the NGE be considered a success.  

    What could've been a success however was the PreCU, if all the time and development resources wasted on the CU and NGE had instead been spent on improving and fixing the original game.

    Why now, even with all the current dev attempts to bring back prenge features, is the NGE still doomed in the end?   Simple really, there's no amount of fixes, patches, or revamps that can fully bring back what has sadly been killed by the CU/NGE, the amazing player community that used to exist there.

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    We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?"

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