Guild Wars is free to play. Lineage and Lineage 2 maybe have what 50k subscribers in the US. CoH might have what 150k subscribers US - if that? We're talking about the US market here...not Asian. So tossing Lineage and Lineage 2 into this catagory is like throwing gasoline on a fire. We know their doing well in Asia, but in the US...they just are not.
Was OP asking bout the west? thought it was just fail in general
The problem with mentalities are that you are using mentalities.
Such shocking words like "fail" and "rape" and other extreme ones used for common descriptions sterilize the community in regards to impressions and also make it common to be on each extreme edge of the spectrum.
Which is sad really, because everything either "sucks ass" or is "awesome beyond anything ive ever seen!".
Curious cause I don't want to buy another doomed MMO
It won't fail because of one significant difference from the other two - NCSoft is a knowledgable and professional gaming company.
Yeah that is why Tabula Rasa was such a smashing success. ::rolls her eyes::
Guild Wars, lineage, lineage2, Aion, CoH on the other hand are
Guild Wars is free to play. Lineage and Lineage 2 maybe have what 50k subscribers in the US. CoH might have what 150k subscribers US - if that? We're talking about the US market here...not Asian. So tossing Lineage and Lineage 2 into this catagory is like throwing gasoline on a fire. We know their doing well in Asia, but in the US...they just are not.
I thought we migrated to talking about NCSoft and their success with games. GW being free has nothing to do with the fact it's successful.
Having played a Spirit Master to level 38 in Chinese retail, i didn't feel like i accomplished something.
Let me explain.
The game is basically a gank fest. As much as i love PvP (playing DFO atm), AION just fails to deliver "proper" PvP fights. There's nothing there to stop a 10-15 man group jumping you while you're doing your quests or simply grinding. They don't even need to be higher level that you, you cannot kill more than 2, maybe 3 maximum of them. The 2-hour-recharging Rifts encourage this by limiting the access to the PvP content.
Abyss : Best PvE zone in the game. Don't kid yourself, you won't be going there to PvP, mobs give double the amount of EXP than world mobs. Some die twice as fast as well.
Fortress Sieges : PvE content. To capture a Fortress, all you have to do is kill a raid boss. Yes you read it right, a mob. On top of that, there's no real reward for defending it. So people in Chinese and Korean servers just capture it one day and then leave it undefended for the other faction to have it the next day. More rewards for everyone this way.
Abyss Points and Gear : Mostly useless. Abyss Gear is good only when you buy the gold versions of it and only useful for certain classes/builds. Also, the main way to get Abyss Points is ganking. Take a 6+ man group, go through a rift and go gank anything you can until either some high levels kill you, or if you are high level yourself; kill untul you are bored of it. Another way is mobs and enemy NPCs, which was the main way of obtaining AP for some guild in AION CN.
All in all, the game won't fall flat on its face, but its not for the average PvP powergamer. Nothing exciting about AION imo, except the graphics and the well coded shadows and textures which make it run great even on low end machines.
Anyone who likes/plays/worships World of Warcraft will most likely waste a few years of his/her life on AION.
OK for 1 thats the fucking chinese server, WE ARE IN AMERICA!!!! ive have played every beta and so far, about the rift shit, ur full of crap, u can kill more than 2 or 3, and even in the beta there are 20+ man raids, against elten, and i had killed 64 people within about 1 1/2 and taht was just me.. i was only lvl 21... again were in america, when we do raids, WE DO RAIDS!!
Curious cause I don't want to buy another doomed MMO
It won't fail because of one significant difference from the other two - NCSoft is a knowledgable and professional gaming company.
Yeah that is why Tabula Rasa was such a smashing success. ::rolls her eyes::
Guild Wars, lineage, lineage2, Aion, CoH on the other hand are
Guild Wars is free to play. Lineage and Lineage 2 maybe have what 50k subscribers in the US. CoH might have what 150k subscribers US - if that? We're talking about the US market here...not Asian. So tossing Lineage and Lineage 2 into this catagory is like throwing gasoline on a fire. We know their doing well in Asia, but in the US...they just are not.
I thought we migrated to talking about NCSoft and their success with games. GW being free has nothing to do with the fact it's successful.
That's the only reason I tried it.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
The problem with mentalities are that you are using mentalities. Such shocking words like "fail" and "rape" and other extreme ones used for common descriptions sterilize the community in regards to impressions and also make it common to be on each extreme edge of the spectrum. Which is sad really, because everything either "sucks ass" or is "awesome beyond anything ive ever seen!". Objectivity used to be good.
+1 to Soupism. However, you most likely just confused about 98% of the population that comes here.
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Nope, it won't fail for the same reasons. If it does fail it will be for completely different ones. (possibly by not dealing with cheaters/ exploiters)
You know, about 3 years ago when I learned how to program, I would end up with almost 3 pages of code just to make a stick figure do a somerfault. It had bugs, it had issues, and only about 40% of the time it worked.
But I kept trying different things to get that same godamn stick figure to flip. I even tried different colors, different shapes, more arms, more legs, whatever. (Also even used different programming languages)
Now I have it down to about 50 lines and just about 99.9% success rate.
Point being is that it is near IMPOSSIBLE to get something good on your first try. You learn from your mistakes.
As to "aion is out yet" its been out for almost a year, its just that you carnt play it. Or are all those millions of subscribers just paying beta testers.
WAR, AoC and Aion are in reality of "simliar" release vintage. Its laughable that the aion fanbois compare Aion 1.5 as the aion release to that of WAR 1.0 and Aoc 1.0. Given the development of both WAR and AoC all 3 games are compareable to each other.
What game you choose is probaly more in line with the style of game you want to play rather than 1 being uber and 1 being fail.
Experience of Server stabilty is probably a major factor in how one veiws each game. I have few problem with AoC- its more PC based as to your experience , WAR was generally ok with bad moments high volume pvp -mainly server side problems, Aion last 2 betas have been unplayable - server side problems refer to the multi page sticky in aion forums.
If you want a honest opinion about the game then http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/240629/page/1 is probably one of the few in these forums, he points out flaws and gives you an idea of how the game is at high levels, unlike many of the 1 sided rosey colored posts by the fanbois in this forum.
I just can't get that graph on page 7(i think) out of my head. To me it shows that WoW has a very steep learning curve, because time seems to go up. So little time in wow makes the skill required to succeed increase by alot. EVE on the other hand has a very slow learning curve until the end. First it's getting sligthly harder, then it doesn't get harder at all, and gets easier, and poof difficulty goes up like crazy. Are you sure you put the time and gaming skill on the right axis? Also why don't you see the beginning of the curves? EVE starts when you've played it for a long time already.
Curious cause I don't want to buy another doomed MMO
Aion was a success in Korea, China, and Taiwan, come on man you know Aion is gonna be a success, probably not in EU and North America, but definitely in Asia.
I just can't get that graph on page 7(i think) out of my head. To me it shows that WoW has a very steep learning curve, because time seems to go up. So little time in wow makes the skill required to succeed increase by alot. EVE on the other hand has a very slow learning curve until the end. First it's getting sligthly harder, then it doesn't get harder at all, and gets easier, and poof difficulty goes up like crazy. Are you sure you put the time and gaming skill on the right axis? Also why don't you see the beginning of the curves? EVE starts when you've played it for a long time already.
O yes funny i thought the same ^^,
proof in the pudding for mixed up axes is the start of the graphs.
I think Aion will survive for a long time. IMHO i dont think that asian gamers and euro/NA are so different
when it comes to P2P games. I think it just might have more to do with the advertisement.
Both will stick around if the gameplay is solid.
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Aion will never beat WoW thats for sure. as EU player i dont like asian mmorpg styles, they way too cute/happy/pretty/emo/darkevil/big boobies and most asian games make ur char look like 9 year old boy sex fantasy. Tis game wont be come very popular in EU, and i dont think US really care either tis kind cute shit.
But again there is a lot "wierd" nerds that want play tis cutepie/cookie. maeby its fun look 16 year old asian female chars half naked.
But in end; will be doomed game with few player.
Ps, remember asian people dont have soul, they not same as we EU/US, u cant trust them taste. Or do u like eat dogs and cats? though so.
As to "aion is out yet" its been out for almost a year, its just that you carnt play it. Or are all those millions of subscribers just paying beta testers. WAR, AoC and Aion are in reality of "simliar" release vintage. Its laughable that the aion fanbois compare Aion 1.5 as the aion release to that of WAR 1.0 and Aoc 1.0. Given the development of both WAR and AoC all 3 games are compareable to each other. .
I am going to have to disagree with you there. I have a current AoC account, 3 level 80's, have done all the raid content including killing Levi, done plenty of sieges on both sides..... basically, I have done everything AoC has to offer.
Now having said that, the beta version of Aion that I have been playing the last few weekends (which is not 1.5) is well beyond AoC in content as well as stability. I have not had one crash to desktop while playing Aion, nor have I seen mobs or even complete zones bug out to the point where they are unkill/playable.
Aion will never beat WoW thats for sure. as EU player i dont like asian mmorpg styles, they way too cute/happy/pretty/emo/darkevil/big boobies and most asian games make ur char look like 9 year old boy sex fantasy. Tis game wont be come very popular in EU, and i dont think US really care either tis kind cute shit.
But again there is a lot "wierd" nerds that want play tis cutepie/cookie. maeby its fun look 16 year old asian female chars half naked.
But in end; will be doomed game with few player.
Ps, remember asian people dont have soul, they not same as we EU/US, u cant trust them taste. Or do u like eat dogs and cats? though so.
If anything keep Aion from being a great success in the West it will be ignorant xenophobes like this guy ^
Aion is already successful in the East but the jury is still out in the West. My guess it will be some short-lived success in the West because people need to fill their mmo addiction until they find a better mmo. Aion will reap the glory because everything else is either old or average at best.
Well the fact is, it's NOT just about the states. A game's success is based on how it is doing everywhere. Sorry but using that to justify you're slander just doesn't work.
We care about the success of the game in our region, because even if it's a success in Asia, they might not take care as much as they should be in the region where it is not a success.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
As to "aion is out yet" its been out for almost a year, its just that you carnt play it. Or are all those millions of subscribers just paying beta testers. WAR, AoC and Aion are in reality of "simliar" release vintage. Its laughable that the aion fanbois compare Aion 1.5 as the aion release to that of WAR 1.0 and Aoc 1.0. Given the development of both WAR and AoC all 3 games are compareable to each other. .
I am going to have to disagree with you there. I have a current AoC account, 3 level 80's, have done all the raid content including killing Levi, done plenty of sieges on both sides..... basically, I have done everything AoC has to offer.
Now having said that, the beta version of Aion that I have been playing the last few weekends (which is not 1.5) is well beyond AoC in content as well as stability. I have not had one crash to desktop while playing Aion, nor have I seen mobs or even complete zones bug out to the point where they are unkill/playable.
I have alsomuliple 80s done all the raid content and over 100 seiges, currently dont have a problem with zone stabilty and have never had a crash to desk top.
And like i said my experience of the last 2 betas was unplayable dur to lag spikes and constant rubebr banding
I just can't get that graph on page 7(i think) out of my head. To me it shows that WoW has a very steep learning curve, because time seems to go up. So little time in wow makes the skill required to succeed increase by alot. EVE on the other hand has a very slow learning curve until the end. First it's getting sligthly harder, then it doesn't get harder at all, and gets easier, and poof difficulty goes up like crazy. Are you sure you put the time and gaming skill on the right axis? Also why don't you see the beginning of the curves? EVE starts when you've played it for a long time already.
I logged into AoC today, the servers were still up. There was still a whole load of people at the traders, I was still constantly running into other players.
Hmmm, I dont get it, AoC seems to be doing fine to me.
"I don't give a sh*t what other people say. I play what I like and I'll pay to do it too!" - SerialMMOist
I logged into AoC today, the servers were still up. There was still a whole load of people at the traders, I was still constantly running into other players.
Hmmm, I dont get it, AoC seems to be doing fine to me.
AoC is a failure if you compare it to game as successful as Aion. Aion is the most polished and stable MMO about to be released in the West this century, period. Add in the dynamic gameplay and the large scale smooth PvP you have 3.5mill+ subs in Aisa already. Aion could potentially drive the final nail into AoC and WAR's coffin, this isn't specualtion its a fact - a game can only survive for so long with only ~3 servers.
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Was OP asking bout the west? thought it was just fail in general
The problem with mentalities are that you are using mentalities.
Such shocking words like "fail" and "rape" and other extreme ones used for common descriptions sterilize the community in regards to impressions and also make it common to be on each extreme edge of the spectrum.
Which is sad really, because everything either "sucks ass" or is "awesome beyond anything ive ever seen!".
Objectivity used to be good.
It won't fail because of one significant difference from the other two - NCSoft is a knowledgable and professional gaming company.
Yeah that is why Tabula Rasa was such a smashing success. ::rolls her eyes::
Guild Wars, lineage, lineage2, Aion, CoH on the other hand are
Guild Wars is free to play. Lineage and Lineage 2 maybe have what 50k subscribers in the US. CoH might have what 150k subscribers US - if that? We're talking about the US market here...not Asian. So tossing Lineage and Lineage 2 into this catagory is like throwing gasoline on a fire. We know their doing well in Asia, but in the US...they just are not.
I thought we migrated to talking about NCSoft and their success with games. GW being free has nothing to do with the fact it's successful.
OK for 1 thats the fucking chinese server, WE ARE IN AMERICA!!!! ive have played every beta and so far, about the rift shit, ur full of crap, u can kill more than 2 or 3, and even in the beta there are 20+ man raids, against elten, and i had killed 64 people within about 1 1/2 and taht was just me.. i was only lvl 21... again were in america, when we do raids, WE DO RAIDS!!
It won't fail because of one significant difference from the other two - NCSoft is a knowledgable and professional gaming company.
i almost bought Tabula Rasa and Auto Assault .... that would have been Hellgate, WAR, AoC, Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa all about... eeek
It won't fail because of one significant difference from the other two - NCSoft is a knowledgable and professional gaming company.
Yeah that is why Tabula Rasa was such a smashing success. ::rolls her eyes::
Guild Wars, lineage, lineage2, Aion, CoH on the other hand are
Guild Wars is free to play. Lineage and Lineage 2 maybe have what 50k subscribers in the US. CoH might have what 150k subscribers US - if that? We're talking about the US market here...not Asian. So tossing Lineage and Lineage 2 into this catagory is like throwing gasoline on a fire. We know their doing well in Asia, but in the US...they just are not.
I thought we migrated to talking about NCSoft and their success with games. GW being free has nothing to do with the fact it's successful.
That's the only reason I tried it.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
+1 to Soupism. However, you most likely just confused about 98% of the population that comes here.
Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box. ~ Italian proverb
It won't fail because of one significant difference from the other two - NCSoft is a knowledgable and professional gaming company.
Tabula Rasa. Auto Assault?
Really?
Originally posted by Leucrotta
Guild Wars, lineage, lineage2, Aion, CoH on the other hand are
1. Guild Wars isn't an MMO. No sub fee.
2. L1 and L2 were complete disasters in the west. They have more bots then players.
3. AION. We'll see it's not out in the west yet.
4. CoH has under a 150k subs. If the mouthbreathers consider WAR a failure at 300k subs then CoH is a complete waste of bandwidth.
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It won't fail because of one significant difference from the other two - NCSoft is a knowledgable and professional gaming company.
Tabula Rasa. Auto Assault?
Really?
Originally posted by Leucrotta
Guild Wars, lineage, lineage2, Aion, CoH on the other hand are
1. Guild Wars isn't an MMO. No sub fee.
2. L1 and L2 were complete disasters in the west. They have more bots then players.
3. AION. We'll see it's not out in the west yet.
4. CoH has under a 150k subs. If the mouthbreathers consider WAR a failure at 300k subs then CoH is a complete waste of bandwidth.
As many MMO's as they have put out, how many have failed? 2 maybe 3.
I still see Aion retaining many subs after it's initial launch.
Will Aion fail just like WAR and AOC?
Nope, it won't fail for the same reasons. If it does fail it will be for completely different ones. (possibly by not dealing with cheaters/ exploiters)
You know, about 3 years ago when I learned how to program, I would end up with almost 3 pages of code just to make a stick figure do a somerfault. It had bugs, it had issues, and only about 40% of the time it worked.
But I kept trying different things to get that same godamn stick figure to flip. I even tried different colors, different shapes, more arms, more legs, whatever. (Also even used different programming languages)
Now I have it down to about 50 lines and just about 99.9% success rate.
Point being is that it is near IMPOSSIBLE to get something good on your first try. You learn from your mistakes.
Let's hope Aion is proof of that.
As to "aion is out yet" its been out for almost a year, its just that you carnt play it. Or are all those millions of subscribers just paying beta testers.
WAR, AoC and Aion are in reality of "simliar" release vintage. Its laughable that the aion fanbois compare Aion 1.5 as the aion release to that of WAR 1.0 and Aoc 1.0. Given the development of both WAR and AoC all 3 games are compareable to each other.
What game you choose is probaly more in line with the style of game you want to play rather than 1 being uber and 1 being fail.
Experience of Server stabilty is probably a major factor in how one veiws each game. I have few problem with AoC- its more PC based as to your experience , WAR was generally ok with bad moments high volume pvp -mainly server side problems, Aion last 2 betas have been unplayable - server side problems refer to the multi page sticky in aion forums.
If you want a honest opinion about the game then http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/240629/page/1 is probably one of the few in these forums, he points out flaws and gives you an idea of how the game is at high levels, unlike many of the 1 sided rosey colored posts by the fanbois in this forum.
Its not doomed, but it is basically a pvp mmo. So my guess is no more than 500k US subscribers 6 months after release.
I just can't get that graph on page 7(i think) out of my head. To me it shows that WoW has a very steep learning curve, because time seems to go up. So little time in wow makes the skill required to succeed increase by alot. EVE on the other hand has a very slow learning curve until the end. First it's getting sligthly harder, then it doesn't get harder at all, and gets easier, and poof difficulty goes up like crazy. Are you sure you put the time and gaming skill on the right axis? Also why don't you see the beginning of the curves? EVE starts when you've played it for a long time already.
Aion was a success in Korea, China, and Taiwan, come on man you know Aion is gonna be a success, probably not in EU and North America, but definitely in Asia.
O yes funny i thought the same ^^,
proof in the pudding for mixed up axes is the start of the graphs.
I think Aion will survive for a long time. IMHO i dont think that asian gamers and euro/NA are so different
when it comes to P2P games. I think it just might have more to do with the advertisement.
Both will stick around if the gameplay is solid.
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It`s alright
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Eq2,Dofus,WoW,WWIIO,Ryzom,Planetside,EvE,TR,DDO,RFonline,FOM,VC,..etc blabla
also hobbies....staring at loadingbars
Aion will never beat WoW thats for sure. as EU player i dont like asian mmorpg styles, they way too cute/happy/pretty/emo/darkevil/big boobies and most asian games make ur char look like 9 year old boy sex fantasy. Tis game wont be come very popular in EU, and i dont think US really care either tis kind cute shit.
But again there is a lot "wierd" nerds that want play tis cutepie/cookie
. maeby its fun look 16 year old asian female chars half naked.
But in end; will be doomed game with few player.
Ps, remember asian people dont have soul, they not same as we EU/US, u cant trust them taste. Or do u like eat dogs and cats? though so.
I am going to have to disagree with you there. I have a current AoC account, 3 level 80's, have done all the raid content including killing Levi, done plenty of sieges on both sides..... basically, I have done everything AoC has to offer.
Now having said that, the beta version of Aion that I have been playing the last few weekends (which is not 1.5) is well beyond AoC in content as well as stability. I have not had one crash to desktop while playing Aion, nor have I seen mobs or even complete zones bug out to the point where they are unkill/playable.
If anything keep Aion from being a great success in the West it will be ignorant xenophobes like this guy ^
Aion is already successful in the East but the jury is still out in the West. My guess it will be some short-lived success in the West because people need to fill their mmo addiction until they find a better mmo. Aion will reap the glory because everything else is either old or average at best.
We care about the success of the game in our region, because even if it's a success in Asia, they might not take care as much as they should be in the region where it is not a success.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
I am going to have to disagree with you there. I have a current AoC account, 3 level 80's, have done all the raid content including killing Levi, done plenty of sieges on both sides..... basically, I have done everything AoC has to offer.
Now having said that, the beta version of Aion that I have been playing the last few weekends (which is not 1.5) is well beyond AoC in content as well as stability. I have not had one crash to desktop while playing Aion, nor have I seen mobs or even complete zones bug out to the point where they are unkill/playable.
I have alsomuliple 80s done all the raid content and over 100 seiges, currently dont have a problem with zone stabilty and have never had a crash to desk top.
And like i said my experience of the last 2 betas was unplayable dur to lag spikes and constant rubebr banding
You really took that graph seriously?
AoC failed? OMG ...
I logged into AoC today, the servers were still up. There was still a whole load of people at the traders, I was still constantly running into other players.
Hmmm, I dont get it, AoC seems to be doing fine to me.
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AoC is a failure if you compare it to game as successful as Aion. Aion is the most polished and stable MMO about to be released in the West this century, period. Add in the dynamic gameplay and the large scale smooth PvP you have 3.5mill+ subs in Aisa already. Aion could potentially drive the final nail into AoC and WAR's coffin, this isn't specualtion its a fact - a game can only survive for so long with only ~3 servers.
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