Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by nthnaoun The burden of proof on whether or not Smed said this game is a failure is on you. You made the comment, not us. What we read in articles is that he said it was a mistake to push the NGE forward and alienate the old playerbase. Well...duh! He is only stating the obvious and the numbers of the current player population and the profits they are getting prove it. But never have I heard him say that the NGE is a failure or the the NGE is a worst game. Of course, we all know that the NGE is a failure, because the profits and numbers prove it. But whether or not the NGE is a worse game is just opinion and everyone has an opinion and none are above another.
Smed said the nge wasn't "Near fun right now". He has yet to retract that statement.
He said the NGE was a mistake and "if he had it to do over, he wouldn't have done it"
Where is this getting lost in translation? He said he wouldn't have done it AT ALL.. not that he would have communicated better... AT ALL.
Smed is only executing an opinion when he says the game is not "Near fun right now." Since when did one opinion become better than another? Just because Smed is the President, does not mean his opinion holds more weight. Smed also thought that the Pre-CU version wasn't fun and that it was too hard to get into, but how many people disagree with that statement?
He said he wouldn't do the NGE over again, because he lost a lot of money for making a stupid decision.
It doesn't have to take a braniac to know a President of a Corporation wouldn't make the same mistake twice that cost him a lot of money.
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by iskareot I did not call anyone names, now then.. berating the current playerbase??? Damn right I am.. I will be clear here... VERY CLEAR.. this current player base is by all means sub-par. They accept a crappy product, missleadings still, also not to mention buy into a product that is a failure without consideration. If anything when they spew how good or great the NGE is, while the president of the company tells us otherwise I think that is missleading.
Heh, how is this any different to any other version of the game? Smedley also said that Pre-cu was a failure too (hence the CU and then the NGE). Pre-cu was full of constant promises that never came true, patches that broke as many things as it fixed, patches that would boost a profession one month only for another to nerf it the next, etc etc. People posted all over forums that the game sucked, was a failure, etc etc. People have necro'd a few of these posts on these forums. You ain't that different to those of us playing now
Ahh but see I trusted so far... I kept thinking they were making it better. NOT WORSE..
This last move was 10 steps backwards... we tried to move them forward with the last change, while I hated it -- it was MUCH better then the NGE. (Obvioulsy now) SO I guess what should be told is that the game WAS LOSING SUBS, yes... but the change to the NGE was a failure in it's own right.
THE CU was not a great succes, make no excuse.. however it had more promise then the NGE as we now know. At least you had more of a player base to work with. I understand it was a harder game, I understand they needed to get more kids to play, this we all know.. My point is we had a product that had more promise then the NGE ever will. They did not see it, now people are paying for it.
No matter what I say, no matter what you say... The proof is in the pudding. Subs, Profit, The president calling it a failure is enough for me to see plain and simple it is NOT A GOOD GAME, just by using common sense.
This you or I cannot change. It is what it is, but make no mistake, I know the game had issues.. but when you have 400k or so people playing it vs less then 100k and with each version pushing more away I think your doing somthing wrong obvioulsy.
I tell ya, I am glad that Mr. Smedley fessed up in more detail and bluntly about the NGE.. if anything it shows people what the company thinks of it.. from the TOP DOWN... now then, maybe the customers THAT ARE LEFT PLAYING it will take off the rose colored glasses and see it for what it is.
Again, I am glad this is not a car company because alot of people would be dead.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by nthnaoun Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by nthnaoun The burden of proof on whether or not Smed said this game is a failure is on you. You made the comment, not us. What we read in articles is that he said it was a mistake to push the NGE forward and alienate the old playerbase. Well...duh! He is only stating the obvious and the numbers of the current player population and the profits they are getting prove it. But never have I heard him say that the NGE is a failure or the the NGE is a worst game. Of course, we all know that the NGE is a failure, because the profits and numbers prove it. But whether or not the NGE is a worse game is just opinion and everyone has an opinion and none are above another.
Smed said the nge wasn't "Near fun right now". He has yet to retract that statement.
He said the NGE was a mistake and "if he had it to do over, he wouldn't have done it"
Where is this getting lost in translation? He said he wouldn't have done it AT ALL.. not that he would have communicated better... AT ALL.
Smed is only executing an opinion when he says the game is not "Near fun right now." Since when did one opinion become better than another? Just because Smed is the President, does not mean his opinion holds more weight. Smed also thought that the Pre-CU version wasn't fun and that it was too hard to get into, but how many people disagree with that statement?
He said he wouldn't do the NGE over again, because he lost a lot of money for making a stupid decision.
It doesn't have to take a braniac to know a President of a Corporation wouldn't make the same mistake twice that cost him a lot of money.
Great lol now we are debating what he freaking said... Smed -- lol
Now look guys, I'm sorry.. if you cannot figure out what he freaking said then no way is talking or posting going to help anyone figure it out.
LOL... This is like saying HEY THE SKY IS BLUE and some of you saying it's RED all the time and your just seeing blue because you want to.
I mean come on, the symantics are a joke now. lol, like Smedley is just a player or somthing... funny.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Tacola iskareot. bro I havent laugh so hard at anyone that has posted in any fourm as I have you. You my friend are a SWG want to be. Otherwise why keep posting. Or is it your one man cursade to spout lies and misdirect people from the truth? Please rebut these facts: 1) Smed said NGE and the way it was implemented was a mistake, not the changes since are the current direction the game is taken -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no quote please ) 2) Just because I find SWG in its current state, the most fun of the MMORPGS I have played namely; EQ,EQ2, FFIX, COH/COV, WOW, EVE, SOR and Horizon, doesnt mean I find it more fun that Pre-CU or even CU. Is it possible for someone else to have an opinion that differs from yours? --- CORRECT or NO ? 3) Besides SWG, which MMORPG offers PVP and PVE in space and ground, while offering intense crafting which includes multi-stated resources, experimentation, harvestors, factories and 24/7 player owned NPC vendors? There isnt one. -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no please give names ) And as you always do, here comes baseless dribble and the endless spouting of opinionate lies which dont relate to anything I have posted here.
I forgot who you were again? Sorry lol.. Opinions are like assholes as we all know btw.
However, your baseless dribble as you called it pretty much countered what you said.. NOW THEN, while you think (XXXX ABOUT THE GAME) The company, Smedley, Producers think otherwise. THAT is the point.
So while you may say what you want.. they (perse) can say what they want.. (Except the difference is they own the company and you do not or the product for that matter).
So each time you say (THE NGE IS GREAT) do not be suprised if someone posts (NO IT IS NOT AND THIS IS WHY)... If you cannot handle being told by the company itself that this is a failure and mistake then I am sorry. BUT you cannot say that they did not (Or others did not tell you this).
You can try to change what was said all you want, sorry it's a bit late for that one.
You are funny though.... you really are.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by nthnaoun The burden of proof on whether or not Smed said this game is a failure is on you. You made the comment, not us. What we read in articles is that he said it was a mistake to push the NGE forward and alienate the old playerbase. Well...duh! He is only stating the obvious and the numbers of the current player population and the profits they are getting prove it. But never have I heard him say that the NGE is a failure or the the NGE is a worst game. Of course, we all know that the NGE is a failure, because the profits and numbers prove it. But whether or not the NGE is a worse game is just opinion and everyone has an opinion and none are above another.
Smed said the nge wasn't "Near fun right now". He has yet to retract that statement.
He said the NGE was a mistake and "if he had it to do over, he wouldn't have done it"
Where is this getting lost in translation? He said he wouldn't have done it AT ALL.. not that he would have communicated better... AT ALL.
I dont think anyone here is saying NGE was NOT a mistake, the point is the game since NGE was released has been improved greatly. And as Smed said it is getting to the place where the game is fun again. And being it is in English it shouldnt need translation or interputation for must of us. Simplely put the NGE was a mistake and the changes have made it better than the original release of the NGE. But IMHO not as fun as pre-CU or even CU. But it is improving. He didnt say SWG was a mistake, he didnt say the changes that have happened recently were a mistake, just the NGE was the mistake. Easy enough for us all to see I would say. The problem is people are using the quote "The NGE was a Mistake" and appling it to all that has happened since NGE was released. I would think anyone that didnt like the NGE would be happy to see they admiited it was a mistake and are making changes to bring back some of the orginal functionality.
Originally posted by nthnaoun Originally posted by iskareot (OH and as for the NGEr comment, sorry -- when you starting calling me out-- you defended the game and NGE as it seemed very much so)... then later as I read you did say you did not like and did lose alot because of the NGE etc.. so that comment was made more in a past tense way more or less. You came across as a defender of the NGE thats for sure.. until I read later on. SO I am sorry for the belated comment as such.)
Yes I understand this.. but at the same time -- with this same people that try to tell people that this game has promise or is considered a success, I feel the need to make sure people see what is the truth.
Not some guy saying "Oh the NGE is great and we have tons of people flocking back etc.." ---
I did not call anyone names, now then.. berating the current playerbase??? Damn right I am.. I will be clear here... VERY CLEAR.. this current player base is by all means sub-par. They accept a crappy product, missleadings still, also not to mention buy into a product that is a failure without consideration. If anything when they spew how good or great the NGE is, while the president of the company tells us otherwise I think that is missleading.
While I see what your saying "smearing" it in anyones face at this point is almost a joke. DO NOT forget these are the same people (NGErs) that tried to tell us that the game is great and doing well...and going to be the best thing.. etc.. SO I admit it feels good to show them they were and are wrong at the same time I cannot feel bad for them. At this point being candid and nice about it is a waste of time. I rather tell them how it is percieved from the company itself each time they percieve it as some good product.
After thinking about it, a boycott may have been the answer a long time ago. Now as you know, this games days are numbered. As far as I am concearned for each post from someone about how the NGE is good in any fashion I hope that somone is there to rebuttle it with comments made from the makers themselves of how the GAME REALLY IS.
Being civil is one thing, telling people like it is might be rough, sure it may make the current player base look like fools buying into a product that even it's own company does not support perse.. (As stated clearly to you now and others).. to me this is a matter of stating the obvious. I do not need to call people names to show this whatsoever.
You assumed or are confusing the fact I think that the people playing this version of the game are wise or for that matter have a sense of self respect. Sure it's a game but someone is paying for it.. if people pay for this type of product then OTHER COMPANIES AND THIS ONE will continue to get away with putting out this crappy or sub-par prodcut all the time.
I would sell 1 acre of swamp land to these people if they are willing to pay 500k each for it, and continue to do so if they contiuned to pay for it. SOE is no different, if they continue to pay for it, they will continue to sell it until the profit is not there.
Think about it... Over the last week, the Producers, The President of the company said this is a failure, a mistake and while the intent was good... it went wrong and was a bad idea. The current version of this game is a FAILURE -- period. Stated clear.. Yet if people somehow think this is "OK" then please do not make excuses for them not to be somewhat expressed as sub-par.
I'ts funny, some people that say "It's just a game" are ok with it -- until you tell them to delete thier Jedi to prove that...lol Try it..lol , good luck with that one.
I see what your saying, but sorry.. it is what it is.
NEVER is it okay to belittle others...NEVER. But you are flaming people, which is against the rules of this forum, over and over again, even when asked to quit and you have no problem with it.
Well, if anything, you have made yourself unagreeable to the current playerbase and the Pre-CU playerbase are starting to shun you. You really need to chill out and let people be. Almost everything is subject to opinion and if someone thinks that the NGE is better than the Pre-CU, their opinion means no less than yours.
The burden of proof on whether or not Smed said this game is a failure is on you. You made the comment, not us. What we read in articles is that he said it was a mistake to push the NGE forward and alienate the old playerbase. Well...duh! Any NGEer as you put it, would agree with that. But never have I heard him say that the NGE is a failure or the the NGE is a worst game. I'm not saying the NGE isn't a failure, because it did fail to meet the expectations that Smed had for it, but whether or not the NGE is a worse game is just opinion and everyone has an opinion and none are above another.
For now on I will report every single post that you are flaming other people in. I hope others will join me in this, because the forums do not belong to people like you, they belong to people who follow the rules.
Um... you need to see the emails he sent to people. (Sorry he flat out called it a failure in the emails to them lol) -- We posted it, he will admit it... if you need to email him to, please do so he will respond.
I mean you need to read back what Smedley sent to people on behalf of this discussion, this is like arguing with people that do not want to HEAR the truth of what he flat out said for God sakes.
Look, I know your mad, I know it looks bad to be in this mess I would imagine, but crap man... just read what he called it -- HE did so perfectly in this thread. He also cannot debate here, but we know how that would end up as he said too.
Now then since you just threatend me with your "forum cop" mentality I think you should be reported for each time you think you need to report someone lol. So there.. (yeah I had to come to your level for this) lol. And I too hope yada yada yada people join me in this yada yada yada. etc.. they don't belong to the tattle tails yada yada.. ok this part is old now...lol SO QUIT FLAMING PEOPLE or we will report you yada yada.. etc..
Now then as far as the -Pre-CU shun thing?? Not sure how that is present but as far as that goes, it makes no sense. I of course would welcome that game back.. with fixes it would be great too. By all means the NGE player and pre-NGE player are two different gamer types I think. (or at least now have been filtered out).
Let me be very clear with this, everyone can have thier opinion BUT expect a reply back that may have more info or show of more support of one way or the other. By all means we can all choose to do what we want, but when you use it as bait or promotion of somthing then expect it back.
The forum cop thing was good though, I like that... might be a good job for you. lol
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by iskareot I did not call anyone names, now then.. berating the current playerbase??? Damn right I am.. I will be clear here... VERY CLEAR.. this current player base is by all means sub-par. They accept a crappy product, missleadings still, also not to mention buy into a product that is a failure without consideration. If anything when they spew how good or great the NGE is, while the president of the company tells us otherwise I think that is missleading.
Heh, how is this any different to any other version of the game? Smedley also said that Pre-cu was a failure too (hence the CU and then the NGE). Pre-cu was full of constant promises that never came true, patches that broke as many things as it fixed, patches that would boost a profession one month only for another to nerf it the next, etc etc. People posted all over forums that the game sucked, was a failure, etc etc. People have necro'd a few of these posts on these forums. You ain't that different to those of us playing now
Ahh but see I trusted so far... I kept thinking they were making it better. NOT WORSE..
This last move was 10 steps backwards... we tried to move them forward with the last change, while I hated it -- it was MUCH better then the NGE. (Obvioulsy now) SO I guess what should be told is that the game WAS LOSING SUBS, yes... but the change to the NGE was a failure in it's own right.
THE CU was not a great succes, make no excuse.. however it had more promise then the NGE as we now know. At least you had more of a player base to work with. I understand it was a harder game, I understand they needed to get more kids to play, this we all know.. My point is we had a product that had more promise then the NGE ever will. They did not see it, now people are paying for it.
No matter what I say, no matter what you say... The proof is in the pudding. Subs, Profit, The president calling it a failure is enough for me to see plain and simple it is NOT A GOOD GAME, just by using common sense.
This you or I cannot change. It is what it is, but make no mistake, I know the game had issues.. but when you have 400k or so people playing it vs less then 100k and with each version pushing more away I think your doing somthing wrong obvioulsy.
I tell ya, I am glad that Mr. Smedley fessed up in more detail and bluntly about the NGE.. if anything it shows people what the company thinks of it.. from the TOP DOWN... now then, maybe the customers THAT ARE LEFT PLAYING it will take off the rose colored glasses and see it for what it is.
Again, I am glad this is not a car company because alot of people would be dead.
That is all opinion based, based on your prefrence for gaming.
Again...Smedley has said Pre-CU was a failure too. It too was bleeding subs and not gaining any new subs. Yes, the game you enjoyed and played (and I did too) was also called a failure. Does that change how you think of the game then? No, obviously it doesn't. Would SWG have a decent number of subs today if it was still Pre-cu? That's hard to say, it was having a hard trouble attracting and keeping new people.
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola iskareot. bro I havent laugh so hard at anyone that has posted in any fourm as I have you. You my friend are a SWG want to be. Otherwise why keep posting. Or is it your one man cursade to spout lies and misdirect people from the truth? Please rebut these facts: 1) Smed said NGE and the way it was implemented was a mistake, not the changes since are the current direction the game is taken -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no quote please ) 2) Just because I find SWG in its current state, the most fun of the MMORPGS I have played namely; EQ,EQ2, FFIX, COH/COV, WOW, EVE, SOR and Horizon, doesnt mean I find it more fun that Pre-CU or even CU. Is it possible for someone else to have an opinion that differs from yours? --- CORRECT or NO ? 3) Besides SWG, which MMORPG offers PVP and PVE in space and ground, while offering intense crafting which includes multi-stated resources, experimentation, harvestors, factories and 24/7 player owned NPC vendors? There isnt one. -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no please give names ) And as you always do, here comes baseless dribble and the endless spouting of opinionate lies which dont relate to anything I have posted here.
I forgot who you were again? Sorry lol.. Opinions are like assholes as we all know btw.
However, your baseless dribble as you called it pretty much countered what you said.. NOW THEN, while you think (XXXX ABOUT THE GAME) The company, Smedley, Producers think otherwise. THAT is the point.
So while you may say what you want.. they (perse) can say what they want.. (Except the difference is they own the company and you do not or the product for that matter).
So each time you say (THE NGE IS GREAT) do not be suprised if someone posts (NO IT IS NOT AND THIS IS WHY)... If you cannot handle being told by the company itself that this is a failure and mistake then I am sorry. BUT you cannot say that they did not (Or others did not tell you this).
You can try to change what was said all you want, sorry it's a bit late for that one.
You are funny though.... you really are.
ROFL, once again mindless dribble that answered only a single question. Please show me where I said NGE was great? I said it was a mistake. Man, you are truely unarmed in a battle of the wits. My friend I am not changing what he said at all. You failed to answer even question 1 and 3. I guess the every one has an opinion statement is an acceptable answer to 2, although volgur. Again did he say the recent changes or SWG as a whole was a mistake or just the NGE and it implementation was a mistake? You are afraid to answer because you know the truth of what was said, is that it ? And 3, name a game to offers all that not name SWG?
Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by nthnaoun The burden of proof on whether or not Smed said this game is a failure is on you. You made the comment, not us. What we read in articles is that he said it was a mistake to push the NGE forward and alienate the old playerbase. Well...duh! He is only stating the obvious and the numbers of the current player population and the profits they are getting prove it. But never have I heard him say that the NGE is a failure or the the NGE is a worst game. Of course, we all know that the NGE is a failure, because the profits and numbers prove it. But whether or not the NGE is a worse game is just opinion and everyone has an opinion and none are above another.
Smed said the nge wasn't "Near fun right now". He has yet to retract that statement.
He said the NGE was a mistake and "if he had it to do over, he wouldn't have done it"
Where is this getting lost in translation? He said he wouldn't have done it AT ALL.. not that he would have communicated better... AT ALL.
I dont think anyone here is saying NGE was NOT a mistake, the point is the game since NGE was released has been improved greatly. And as Smed said it is getting to the place where the game is fun again. And being it is in English it shouldnt need translation or interputation for must of us. Simplely put the NGE was a mistake and the changes have made it better than the original release of the NGE. But IMHO not as fun as pre-CU or even CU. But it is improving. He didnt say SWG was a mistake, he didnt say the changes that have happened recently were a mistake, just the NGE was the mistake. Easy enough for us all to see I would say. The problem is people are using the quote "The NGE was a Mistake" and appling it to all that has happened since NGE was released. I would think anyone that didnt like the NGE would be happy to see they admiited it was a mistake and are making changes to bring back some of the orginal functionality.
I know you are smart enough to know that it will never be back to the "original functionality" -- I just have to know this.
At no way now can this be done... 10 MONTHS later even saying this is sad.
If this was a project that had not been released yet then this convo would apply, however it's not.
So instead of right now us getting some cool expansions, a great FRS system, Ranger revamp and Squad leading having a purpose..
You are getting a adjustable Map -- (Yep that we had before and is now being brought back out of haste due to people asking for yet another thing back that was taken away)
See, sooner or later people will wonder "Wait, why the fuck am I asking back for this?????" ,"This was not broke? I should not have to ask for this back???? In fact why waste my money or time on this??? "I would have wanted a new planet, class or expansion???" ,"So let me get this straight?? "You tell me I can't have this back?? Then you say I can??? but you wasted all this time in between to do it???" -- ?????
This is like taking your car to the shop and telling them you want rounder wheels.....
So this is the company and mentality your paying for. Yep, we had it before, took it out, trying to bring it back -- want praise for it and now want some sort of valid excuse to now call it (NEW AND GREAT) when in fact this should have NEVER been taking out in the first fucking place.
Things like this are mistakes.. and the NGE is one big version of that.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by MikeG50 NGE today=Barbra Streisand
I played last night, when is the last time you played. And if you are still active, if so why pay for a game you dont like, assuming you dont like Barbra .
To all lovers of Star Wars, I would like to add my own thoghts about what I would like to have or see in SW Galaxies. I know there is much emotion on both sides of this issue all, I can say is that I like many of you "voted with my feet." Still I love Star Wars. I remember with great fondness seeing it in 1977 as a child of 5 with my mother. Truly I fell in love with not only Star Wars but movies because of that day. Personally I prefer the Pre-CU to the NGE. Still it was not the perfect Star Wars expericence that I would have wanted. It could have been made that way I feel, but the developers felt diffrenet. So my thoughts are in the context of the NGE although I dont really have an affection for its mechanics.
What I would like to see them do is rework the Universe into Core and Outer rim sectors with multipule worlds in each one. You could have the Core worlds unable to be built upon but there would be space to be reneted for the super rich in the game. As well as shops for the weatlhy crafters to make and sell there unique items to the player base. ( I know they need unique items or at least worthy items to sell). These worlds and sectors would have a massive Imperial flavor and would be very diffcult for open rebels or light side Jedi to move about and play on. For netural charecters as well as imps there could be many missions and mini games to occupy there time. Dark Jedi coudl work to gain the Emperors favor. Rebel spys could work to gleen information and run missions in these places as well adding to the flavor and options of play. I would also mention in passing that these Core worlds would offer areas to Entertainers were the higher level players could but on shows and do the complex acts that they loved before.
Outer Rim worlds could be the place for the Uncle Owen crowd to be able to set up player cities, farm for resources and rework some of the loved aspects of the former game back into the mix. You could have skills for some of the classes that related to the old scout and ranger professions. (Some of my favorite times where in camps out in the wilderness of the worlds back in the day) This would act as the "Froniter" of the Empire and would be the place were the Rebels could build up there strength, train (run missions, whatever) and take on the empire as there able. This area would be the place for the advancing imp to make a name for him/herself and trying to be a pain in the Rebillions side. Those players who wish to play lightside Jedi would be forced to dwell in these areas, at least untill the had advanced enough in power that they coudl use there powers to sneak into the Core worlds. This would let people play Jedi but at least but it in the proper context of the timeline. This set up would offer plenty of options to use smugglers to move things from the Core to the Rim and vs verse.
The space aspects of the game would be affected in that a x-wing flying into the core worlds by him/herself would in all likely hood be destroyed. Organized raids by guilds into imp space as well as imp guilds raiding suspected rebel space would I think be fun as well. This would also open the market for acutally smuggling people (rebel alliance) into the Core sectors as well as resources, a heavy imperial tax could be added to bringing resources into Core space when not using a smuggler. Or something as simple as needing imperial access codes to land on these worlds, which of course a high level or mid level smuggler would have access too. I think all these type things would really add to the GCW whichi is a stated goal.
This is I know just a surface treatment of the game. A direction that I would like to see the game take, or at least a future SW MMO. I know another revision of the game would have the whole player base up in arms and the former player base dancing around shouting I told you so and I understand that too. All I can say is I would really like playing in the universe I describe. I leave the technical aspects of building such games and universes to those with the skill and know how. Im sure there are many more ideas and better plans for Star Wars out there, these are mine off the top of my head. I thank you for reading my rather long post and wish you a good day!
Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola iskareot. bro I havent laugh so hard at anyone that has posted in any fourm as I have you. You my friend are a SWG want to be. Otherwise why keep posting. Or is it your one man cursade to spout lies and misdirect people from the truth? Please rebut these facts: 1) Smed said NGE and the way it was implemented was a mistake, not the changes since are the current direction the game is taken -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no quote please ) 2) Just because I find SWG in its current state, the most fun of the MMORPGS I have played namely; EQ,EQ2, FFIX, COH/COV, WOW, EVE, SOR and Horizon, doesnt mean I find it more fun that Pre-CU or even CU. Is it possible for someone else to have an opinion that differs from yours? --- CORRECT or NO ? 3) Besides SWG, which MMORPG offers PVP and PVE in space and ground, while offering intense crafting which includes multi-stated resources, experimentation, harvestors, factories and 24/7 player owned NPC vendors? There isnt one. -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no please give names ) And as you always do, here comes baseless dribble and the endless spouting of opinionate lies which dont relate to anything I have posted here.
I forgot who you were again? Sorry lol.. Opinions are like assholes as we all know btw.
However, your baseless dribble as you called it pretty much countered what you said.. NOW THEN, while you think (XXXX ABOUT THE GAME) The company, Smedley, Producers think otherwise. THAT is the point.
So while you may say what you want.. they (perse) can say what they want.. (Except the difference is they own the company and you do not or the product for that matter).
So each time you say (THE NGE IS GREAT) do not be suprised if someone posts (NO IT IS NOT AND THIS IS WHY)... If you cannot handle being told by the company itself that this is a failure and mistake then I am sorry. BUT you cannot say that they did not (Or others did not tell you this).
You can try to change what was said all you want, sorry it's a bit late for that one.
You are funny though.... you really are.
ROFL, once again mindless dribble that answered only a single question. Please show me where I said NGE was great? I said it was a mistake. Man, you are truely unarmed in a battle of the wits. My friend I am not changing what he said at all. You failed to answer even question 1 and 3. I guess the every one has an opinion statement is an acceptable answer to 2, although volgur. Again did he say the recent changes or SWG as a whole was a mistake or just the NGE and it implementation was a mistake? You are afraid to answer because you know the truth of what was said, is that it ? And 3, name a game to offers all that not name SWG?
AFRAID TO ANSWER???? W T F??? I have answered and freaking even posted emails myself from this??? AFRAID?? Man for crapsake I think I pretty much put it all out there.. even hanging Mr. Smedley in most respects??? You really need to step back. I know your eager to try to change what w as said or even better yet try to save this somehow but crap man.. choose different words at least. Your wits are fooling even yourself, if you cannot handle this then at least do not make a excuse for it with your attempt at a insult your bad at it.
As far as other games??? I don't get the point to that other then saying.. I find Star Wars Legos II more fun with my boy I guess, clean and oddly enough more Star Warsy and Iconic (LOL I HAD TO) then SWG is now.
But then again, trying to compare SWG to a good Game is like trying to compare eating a bowling ball to eating a orange.
As far as the SIM comments I made, I should have been more clear.. I like a harder, with SIM type aspects more or less. (Combat as the secondary in some ways) crafting, economy etc..(or I dare say pre-NGE SWG more so).
Answer to your Smedley comment of what he said:
1)The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
5)After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Please do not try to make it into a "but" he meant "XXXXX" or he was thinking "XXXXX" --- your really reaching if you do.
Oh and as far as naming another game that offers more then SWG? In terms of what? Just "Working or is polished?" I mean I am not sure what your getting at.. you can have 1,000,000,000 words in a book.. if they don't make sense then what is the point of the story? There is tons of games that are more stable, polished and more populated then SWG is that is your question or idea behind that one?
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Temploiter This thread has devolved into circular arguments and retard tagging.
I know.. it's wearing me thin, I get Smedley to email and post somthing as fact, I rebuttle the OP with the thought of it and people have tried to read it as some sort of positive thing.
I just read these and wonder WTF.
Here I am arguing that the NGE is a bad prodcut... and is a failure and mistake. I could get the makers of the freaking game to say that and people will still argue this. ... I just wonder..lol
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola iskareot. bro I havent laugh so hard at anyone that has posted in any fourm as I have you. You my friend are a SWG want to be. Otherwise why keep posting. Or is it your one man cursade to spout lies and misdirect people from the truth? Please rebut these facts: 1) Smed said NGE and the way it was implemented was a mistake, not the changes since are the current direction the game is taken -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no quote please ) 2) Just because I find SWG in its current state, the most fun of the MMORPGS I have played namely; EQ,EQ2, FFIX, COH/COV, WOW, EVE, SOR and Horizon, doesnt mean I find it more fun that Pre-CU or even CU. Is it possible for someone else to have an opinion that differs from yours? --- CORRECT or NO ? 3) Besides SWG, which MMORPG offers PVP and PVE in space and ground, while offering intense crafting which includes multi-stated resources, experimentation, harvestors, factories and 24/7 player owned NPC vendors? There isnt one. -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no please give names ) And as you always do, here comes baseless dribble and the endless spouting of opinionate lies which dont relate to anything I have posted here.
I forgot who you were again? Sorry lol.. Opinions are like assholes as we all know btw.
However, your baseless dribble as you called it pretty much countered what you said.. NOW THEN, while you think (XXXX ABOUT THE GAME) The company, Smedley, Producers think otherwise. THAT is the point.
So while you may say what you want.. they (perse) can say what they want.. (Except the difference is they own the company and you do not or the product for that matter).
So each time you say (THE NGE IS GREAT) do not be suprised if someone posts (NO IT IS NOT AND THIS IS WHY)... If you cannot handle being told by the company itself that this is a failure and mistake then I am sorry. BUT you cannot say that they did not (Or others did not tell you this).
You can try to change what was said all you want, sorry it's a bit late for that one.
You are funny though.... you really are.
ROFL, once again mindless dribble that answered only a single question. Please show me where I said NGE was great? I said it was a mistake. Man, you are truely unarmed in a battle of the wits. My friend I am not changing what he said at all. You failed to answer even question 1 and 3. I guess the every one has an opinion statement is an acceptable answer to 2, although volgur. Again did he say the recent changes or SWG as a whole was a mistake or just the NGE and it implementation was a mistake? You are afraid to answer because you know the truth of what was said, is that it ? And 3, name a game to offers all that not name SWG?
AFRAID TO ANSWER???? W T F??? I have answered and freaking even posted emails myself from this??? AFRAID?? Man for crapsake I think I pretty much put it all out there.. even hanging Mr. Smedley in most respects??? You really need to step back. I know your eager to try to change what w as said or even better yet try to save this somehow but crap man.. choose different words at least. Your wits are fooling even yourself, if you cannot handle this then at least do not make a excuse for it with your attempt at a insult your bad at it.
As far as other games??? I don't get the point to that other then saying.. I find Star Wars Legos II more fun with my boy I guess, clean and oddly enough more Star Warsy and Iconic (LOL I HAD TO) then SWG is now.
But then again, trying to compare SWG to a good Game is like trying to compare eating a bowling ball to eating a orange.
As far as the SIM comments I made, I should have been more clear.. I like a harder, with SIM type aspects more or less. (Combat as the secondary in some ways) crafting, economy etc..(or I dare say pre-NGE SWG more so).
Answer to your Smedley comment of what he said:
1)The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
5)After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Please do not try to make it into a "but" he meant "XXXXX" or he was thinking "XXXXX" --- your really reaching if you do.
Oh and as far as naming another game that offers more then SWG? In terms of what? Just "Working or is polished?" I mean I am not sure what your getting at.. you can have 1,000,000,000 words in a book.. if they don't make sense then what is the point of the story? There is tons of games that are more stable, polished and more populated then SWG is that is your question or idea behind that one?
OMG, mindless dribble again, you still havent answered the question, did Smed say SWG and recent changes were a mistake or the NGE and it implementation. And you wont answer because you know what the answer is. As for comparing to other games, you havent played SWG, admittedly in 8 months, how do you know the fun level if it now. Question 3 there are more stable games, but now that isnt what I ask it was simple, what games offers all the above mentioned stuff. Again you wont answer because once again you know the answer. BIG LETTERS and repeating the same dribble while avioding the question has to be seen by all who read your post by now. !!!FLAMEON!! --insert iskareot's mindless dribble here ( Start
Originally posted by iamjmk To all lovers of Star Wars, I would like to add my own thoghts about what I would like to have or see in SW Galaxies. I know there is much emotion on both sides of this issue all, I can say is that I like many of you "voted with my feet." Still I love Star Wars. I remember with great fondness seeing it in 1977 as a child of 5 with my mother. Truly I fell in love with not only Star Wars but movies because of that day. Personally I prefer the Pre-CU to the NGE. Still it was not the perfect Star Wars expericence that I would have wanted. It could have been made that way I feel, but the developers felt diffrenet. So my thoughts are in the context of the NGE although I dont really have an affection for its mechanics. What I would like to see them do is rework the Universe into Core and Outer rim sectors with multipule worlds in each one. You could have the Core worlds unable to be built upon but there would be space to be reneted for the super rich in the game. As well as shops for the weatlhy crafters to make and sell there unique items to the player base. ( I know they need unique items or at least worthy items to sell). These worlds and sectors would have a massive Imperial flavor and would be very diffcult for open rebels or light side Jedi to move about and play on. For netural charecters as well as imps there could be many missions and mini games to occupy there time. Dark Jedi coudl work to gain the Emperors favor. Rebel spys could work to gleen information and run missions in these places as well adding to the flavor and options of play. I would also mention in passing that these Core worlds would offer areas to Entertainers were the higher level players could but on shows and do the complex acts that they loved before. Outer Rim worlds could be the place for the Uncle Owen crowd to be able to set up player cities, farm for resources and rework some of the loved aspects of the former game back into the mix. You could have skills for some of the classes that related to the old scout and ranger professions. (Some of my favorite times where in camps out in the wilderness of the worlds back in the day) This would act as the "Froniter" of the Empire and would be the place were the Rebels could build up there strength, train (run missions, whatever) and take on the empire as there able. This area would be the place for the advancing imp to make a name for him/herself and trying to be a pain in the Rebillions side. Those players who wish to play lightside Jedi would be forced to dwell in these areas, at least untill the had advanced enough in power that they coudl use there powers to sneak into the Core worlds. This would let people play Jedi but at least but it in the proper context of the timeline. This set up would offer plenty of options to use smugglers to move things from the Core to the Rim and vs verse. The space aspects of the game would be affected in that a x-wing flying into the core worlds by him/herself would in all likely hood be destroyed. Organized raids by guilds into imp space as well as imp guilds raiding suspected rebel space would I think be fun as well. This would also open the market for acutally smuggling people (rebel alliance) into the Core sectors as well as resources, a heavy imperial tax could be added to bringing resources into Core space when not using a smuggler. Or something as simple as needing imperial access codes to land on these worlds, which of course a high level or mid level smuggler would have access too. I think all these type things would really add to the GCW whichi is a stated goal. This is I know just a surface treatment of the game. A direction that I would like to see the game take, or at least a future SW MMO. I know another revision of the game would have the whole player base up in arms and the former player base dancing around shouting I told you so and I understand that too. All I can say is I would really like playing in the universe I describe. I leave the technical aspects of building such games and universes to those with the skill and know how. Im sure there are many more ideas and better plans for Star Wars out there, these are mine off the top of my head. I thank you for reading my rather long post and wish you a good day!
Killer... we had close to this at one time.
Sorry this was to hard or to complex I guess for some. Who knows, but it is great.. I like the fact that there is not 10000000 Jedi running around a city with a pole arm.
I like that you have to think where you are going to go, plan for it, have risk and loss as a posibility.
But as we all know how they listen to the ideas.. I think there was (no offense) at least 5 of these posted a DAY back before the NGE... they chose for it to fall on deaf ears.
Sucks too, your version is much better then this NGE crap.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola iskareot. bro I havent laugh so hard at anyone that has posted in any fourm as I have you. You my friend are a SWG want to be. Otherwise why keep posting. Or is it your one man cursade to spout lies and misdirect people from the truth? Please rebut these facts: 1) Smed said NGE and the way it was implemented was a mistake, not the changes since are the current direction the game is taken -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no quote please ) 2) Just because I find SWG in its current state, the most fun of the MMORPGS I have played namely; EQ,EQ2, FFIX, COH/COV, WOW, EVE, SOR and Horizon, doesnt mean I find it more fun that Pre-CU or even CU. Is it possible for someone else to have an opinion that differs from yours? --- CORRECT or NO ? 3) Besides SWG, which MMORPG offers PVP and PVE in space and ground, while offering intense crafting which includes multi-stated resources, experimentation, harvestors, factories and 24/7 player owned NPC vendors? There isnt one. -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no please give names ) And as you always do, here comes baseless dribble and the endless spouting of opinionate lies which dont relate to anything I have posted here.
I forgot who you were again? Sorry lol.. Opinions are like assholes as we all know btw.
However, your baseless dribble as you called it pretty much countered what you said.. NOW THEN, while you think (XXXX ABOUT THE GAME) The company, Smedley, Producers think otherwise. THAT is the point.
So while you may say what you want.. they (perse) can say what they want.. (Except the difference is they own the company and you do not or the product for that matter).
So each time you say (THE NGE IS GREAT) do not be suprised if someone posts (NO IT IS NOT AND THIS IS WHY)... If you cannot handle being told by the company itself that this is a failure and mistake then I am sorry. BUT you cannot say that they did not (Or others did not tell you this).
You can try to change what was said all you want, sorry it's a bit late for that one.
You are funny though.... you really are.
ROFL, once again mindless dribble that answered only a single question. Please show me where I said NGE was great? I said it was a mistake. Man, you are truely unarmed in a battle of the wits. My friend I am not changing what he said at all. You failed to answer even question 1 and 3. I guess the every one has an opinion statement is an acceptable answer to 2, although volgur. Again did he say the recent changes or SWG as a whole was a mistake or just the NGE and it implementation was a mistake? You are afraid to answer because you know the truth of what was said, is that it ? And 3, name a game to offers all that not name SWG?
AFRAID TO ANSWER???? W T F??? I have answered and freaking even posted emails myself from this??? AFRAID?? Man for crapsake I think I pretty much put it all out there.. even hanging Mr. Smedley in most respects??? You really need to step back. I know your eager to try to change what w as said or even better yet try to save this somehow but crap man.. choose different words at least. Your wits are fooling even yourself, if you cannot handle this then at least do not make a excuse for it with your attempt at a insult your bad at it.
As far as other games??? I don't get the point to that other then saying.. I find Star Wars Legos II more fun with my boy I guess, clean and oddly enough more Star Warsy and Iconic (LOL I HAD TO) then SWG is now.
But then again, trying to compare SWG to a good Game is like trying to compare eating a bowling ball to eating a orange.
As far as the SIM comments I made, I should have been more clear.. I like a harder, with SIM type aspects more or less. (Combat as the secondary in some ways) crafting, economy etc..(or I dare say pre-NGE SWG more so).
Answer to your Smedley comment of what he said:
1)The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
5)After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Please do not try to make it into a "but" he meant "XXXXX" or he was thinking "XXXXX" --- your really reaching if you do.
Oh and as far as naming another game that offers more then SWG? In terms of what? Just "Working or is polished?" I mean I am not sure what your getting at.. you can have 1,000,000,000 words in a book.. if they don't make sense then what is the point of the story? There is tons of games that are more stable, polished and more populated then SWG is that is your question or idea behind that one?
LOL poor old smed, I know we all need a Icon to hate during all this but at least he is big enough to fess up.
Damnit he gone all respectable an normal i need another focus for my rage at soe. Suggestions anyone.
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Temploiter This thread has devolved into circular arguments and retard tagging.
I know.. it's wearing me thin, I get Smedley to email and post somthing as fact, I rebuttle the OP with the thought of it and people have tried to read it as some sort of positive thing.
I just read these and wonder WTF.
Here I am arguing that the NGE is a bad prodcut... and is a failure and mistake. I could get the makers of the freaking game to say that and people will still argue this. ... I just wonder..lol
He never said the current changes or the current turns the game has taken was a mistake, And I never argued that NGE was a good product. My point was and is the game is alot better than 12/05. The changes have indeed brought back some of the functionality and SWG is picking up subs, according the DEVs but you wont quote that. You are not arguing that NGE was a mistake, because there is no one to agrue with, not me for sure. The makers of the game never said it was dying, in fact they said it was they biggest gainer as of late. you are a bitter dude, and I still dont understand why you care if others like SWG now. And as I said before which you overlooked as you do most facts I have said in my post, The fact I like SWG now does not mean I like it more than pre-CU or CU or even that the implementation of NGE wasnt a mistake. Just they have done alot of good to the state of the game since NGE was released. IMHO
Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Tacola iskareot. bro I havent laugh so hard at anyone that has posted in any fourm as I have you. You my friend are a SWG want to be. Otherwise why keep posting. Or is it your one man cursade to spout lies and misdirect people from the truth? Please rebut these facts: 1) Smed said NGE and the way it was implemented was a mistake, not the changes since are the current direction the game is taken -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no quote please ) 2) Just because I find SWG in its current state, the most fun of the MMORPGS I have played namely; EQ,EQ2, FFIX, COH/COV, WOW, EVE, SOR and Horizon, doesnt mean I find it more fun that Pre-CU or even CU. Is it possible for someone else to have an opinion that differs from yours? --- CORRECT or NO ? 3) Besides SWG, which MMORPG offers PVP and PVE in space and ground, while offering intense crafting which includes multi-stated resources, experimentation, harvestors, factories and 24/7 player owned NPC vendors? There isnt one. -- CORRECT or NO ? ( if no please give names ) And as you always do, here comes baseless dribble and the endless spouting of opinionate lies which dont relate to anything I have posted here.
I forgot who you were again? Sorry lol.. Opinions are like assholes as we all know btw.
However, your baseless dribble as you called it pretty much countered what you said.. NOW THEN, while you think (XXXX ABOUT THE GAME) The company, Smedley, Producers think otherwise. THAT is the point.
So while you may say what you want.. they (perse) can say what they want.. (Except the difference is they own the company and you do not or the product for that matter).
So each time you say (THE NGE IS GREAT) do not be suprised if someone posts (NO IT IS NOT AND THIS IS WHY)... If you cannot handle being told by the company itself that this is a failure and mistake then I am sorry. BUT you cannot say that they did not (Or others did not tell you this).
You can try to change what was said all you want, sorry it's a bit late for that one.
You are funny though.... you really are.
ROFL, once again mindless dribble that answered only a single question. Please show me where I said NGE was great? I said it was a mistake. Man, you are truely unarmed in a battle of the wits. My friend I am not changing what he said at all. You failed to answer even question 1 and 3. I guess the every one has an opinion statement is an acceptable answer to 2, although volgur. Again did he say the recent changes or SWG as a whole was a mistake or just the NGE and it implementation was a mistake? You are afraid to answer because you know the truth of what was said, is that it ? And 3, name a game to offers all that not name SWG?
AFRAID TO ANSWER???? W T F??? I have answered and freaking even posted emails myself from this??? AFRAID?? Man for crapsake I think I pretty much put it all out there.. even hanging Mr. Smedley in most respects??? You really need to step back. I know your eager to try to change what w as said or even better yet try to save this somehow but crap man.. choose different words at least. Your wits are fooling even yourself, if you cannot handle this then at least do not make a excuse for it with your attempt at a insult your bad at it.
As far as other games??? I don't get the point to that other then saying.. I find Star Wars Legos II more fun with my boy I guess, clean and oddly enough more Star Warsy and Iconic (LOL I HAD TO) then SWG is now.
But then again, trying to compare SWG to a good Game is like trying to compare eating a bowling ball to eating a orange.
As far as the SIM comments I made, I should have been more clear.. I like a harder, with SIM type aspects more or less. (Combat as the secondary in some ways) crafting, economy etc..(or I dare say pre-NGE SWG more so).
Answer to your Smedley comment of what he said:
1)The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
5)After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Please do not try to make it into a "but" he meant "XXXXX" or he was thinking "XXXXX" --- your really reaching if you do.
Oh and as far as naming another game that offers more then SWG? In terms of what? Just "Working or is polished?" I mean I am not sure what your getting at.. you can have 1,000,000,000 words in a book.. if they don't make sense then what is the point of the story? There is tons of games that are more stable, polished and more populated then SWG is that is your question or idea behind that one?
OMG, mindless dribble again, you still havent answered the question, did Smed say SWG and recent changes were a mistake or the NGE and it implementation. And you wont answer because you know what the answer is. As for comparing to other games, you havent played SWG, admittedly in 8 months, how do you know the fun level if it now. Question 3 there are more stable games, but now that isnt what I ask it was simple, what games offers all the above mentioned stuff. Again you wont answer because once again you know the answer. BIG LETTERS and repeating the same dribble while avioding the question has to be seen by all who read your post by now. !!!FLAMEON!! --insert iskareot's mindless dribble here ( Start
THE NGE WAS A MISTAKE! (IN A WHOLE!)? Complete as in it was a mistake to do -- Read above, you can do this... you really can. Sorry that mindless text of his is above you I guess.
HE HAS ALSO SAID COUNTLESS TIMES THAT EVEN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF IT WAS TOO! Not only that, let's keep going and ADD THAT THE PRODUCERS SAID "IT WAS A MISTAKE AND NOT TO DO WHAT THEY DID!" --- for other companies.
Kid your killing me.. you really are...
Note: I played the game (for a few mins btw because it killed me to see the ghost towns) a month ago. Also I cannot stomach how bad it was... I will admit, the giant circle on the ground with that nickel rocket launcher was enough for me to laugh at. However, my 7 year old did like it.. he thought it was fun... so maybe there is a market for it after all who knows.
So your 8 months thing.. no clue where you got that...but ok whatever so far your making your own shit up.
I would say EvE, WoW, Saga Of Ryzom offer more of a game then SWG just based on success or quality alone. Offering more of somthing obviously is vauge. I mean crap, who knows all the games on the entire market and better yet -- what do you consider "worth?" --
I considered pre-CU SWG as offering a massive amount of gaming vs the NGE? Is this wrong to say? I consider WoW as offering more quality and polish then SWG hands down.. For instance, SWG has space, but WoW has quests that work lol.. SO I mean it is and always will be hard to compare a apple to orange but this with anything and you even know this.
NOW THEN if your asking me what I would invest my time in based on quality or content then by all means it's not SWG.. so many things do not even work right still I'm sure in SWG. I do not even know how long the current bug list is for SWG but I can bet it's huge.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
iskareot, what is the point I was tring to make when I started this thread, iyo. Maybe I can get a straight answer to that question. The other question could have done with a yes or no.
Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Temploiter This thread has devolved into circular arguments and retard tagging.
I know.. it's wearing me thin, I get Smedley to email and post somthing as fact, I rebuttle the OP with the thought of it and people have tried to read it as some sort of positive thing.
I just read these and wonder WTF.
Here I am arguing that the NGE is a bad prodcut... and is a failure and mistake. I could get the makers of the freaking game to say that and people will still argue this. ... I just wonder..lol
He never said the current changes or the current turns the game has taken was a mistake, And I never argued that NGE was a good product. My point was and is the game is alot better than 12/05. The changes have indeed brought back some of the functionality and SWG is picking up subs, according the DEVs but you wont quote that. You are not arguing that NGE was a mistake, because there is no one to agrue with, not me for sure. The makers of the game never said it was dying, in fact they said it was they biggest gainer as of late. you are a bitter dude, and I still dont understand why you care if others like SWG now. And as I said before which you overlooked as you do most facts I have said in my post, The fact I like SWG now does not mean I like it more than pre-CU or CU or even that the implementation of NGE wasnt a mistake. Just they have done alot of good to the state of the game since NGE was released. IMHO
Even I know that once at the bottom the only way to go is up.
But I also have the sense to know what is a sinking ship with water in the bow as well.
The fact you even have to defend that they had to change the game since 12/5 is bad enough, the worst part about this is YOUR TRYING TO ARGUE with someone who knew this would happen and predicted it in many many posts long before you were even around. Now then, if you think I trust one thing that one Dev would say anywhere then you sir are lost. I will however trust a email from the president of the company. I feel he is more of a respected person and would not risk alot of his persona based on that.
Saying they have done alot of good to the game since it launched means what??? That they have done damage control so much that you should be happy now? Come on, who are you trying to kid? Your attempts at some sort of word or sly game to show that the NGE is a great and working thing is silly.
Smedley NO WHERE AT ALL has posted anywhere that the game is gaining people as of late or by all means is a success. Not one producer has said it is gaining people or doing well.. In fact they have said the complete opposite. In fact I have NEVER seen any sort of comments made by the Dev team or Producers, President that the game is doing well and or gaining customers or is some sort of success... please by all means tell Smedley that because I don't think he even knows it.
Again saying they have done good since the NGE was released is kinda funny if you think about it... for a split second if you realize that no time should have been wasted in even making it.
From the bottom of somthing you can only go up... the funny thing is that 3.7 years into this , THAT should NOT be what is happening, but you fail to see this.
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Originally posted by Tacola Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Temploiter This thread has devolved into circular arguments and retard tagging.
I know.. it's wearing me thin, I get Smedley to email and post somthing as fact, I rebuttle the OP with the thought of it and people have tried to read it as some sort of positive thing.
I just read these and wonder WTF.
Here I am arguing that the NGE is a bad prodcut... and is a failure and mistake. I could get the makers of the freaking game to say that and people will still argue this. ... I just wonder..lol
He never said the current changes or the current turns the game has taken was a mistake, And I never argued that NGE was a good product. My point was and is the game is alot better than 12/05. The changes have indeed brought back some of the functionality and SWG is picking up subs, according the DEVs but you wont quote that. You are not arguing that NGE was a mistake, because there is no one to agrue with, not me for sure. The makers of the game never said it was dying, in fact they said it was they biggest gainer as of late. you are a bitter dude, and I still dont understand why you care if others like SWG now. And as I said before which you overlooked as you do most facts I have said in my post, The fact I like SWG now does not mean I like it more than pre-CU or CU or even that the implementation of NGE wasnt a mistake. Just they have done alot of good to the state of the game since NGE was released. IMHO
You know and after just reading this again fast and looking at it..
One can only say, Well No shit!... any thing is better, boy that is just slick after reading it again fast lol.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by nthnaoun Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by nthnaoun
The burden of proof on whether or not Smed said this game is a failure is on you. You made the comment, not us. What we read in articles is that he said it was a mistake to push the NGE forward and alienate the old playerbase. Well...duh! He is only stating the obvious and the numbers of the current player population and the profits they are getting prove it. But never have I heard him say that the NGE is a failure or the the NGE is a worst game. Of course, we all know that the NGE is a failure, because the profits and numbers prove it. But whether or not the NGE is a worse game is just opinion and everyone has an opinion and none are above another.
Smed said the nge wasn't "Near fun right now". He has yet to retract that statement.
He said the NGE was a mistake and "if he had it to do over, he wouldn't have done it"
Where is this getting lost in translation? He said he wouldn't have done it AT ALL.. not that he would have communicated better... AT ALL.
Smed is only executing an opinion when he says the game is not "Near fun right now." Since when did one opinion become better than another? Just because Smed is the President, does not mean his opinion holds more weight. Smed also thought that the Pre-CU version wasn't fun and that it was too hard to get into, but how many people disagree with that statement?
He said he wouldn't do the NGE over again, because he lost a lot of money for making a stupid decision.
It doesn't have to take a braniac to know a President of a Corporation wouldn't make the same mistake twice that cost him a lot of money.
OK.. waitaminnit. When the president of the country said the game he's responsible for isn't fun, it's only his opinion? No.. it is therefore the opinion of the company. HE sets policy. HE sets the direction.
Then saying he wouldn't do it over again and that it was a costly mistake DOESN'T say the nge was a mistake how again? That's the DEFINITION of a mistake.
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He said the NGE was a mistake and "if he had it to do over, he wouldn't have done it"
Where is this getting lost in translation? He said he wouldn't have done it AT ALL.. not that he would have communicated better... AT ALL.
Smed is only executing an opinion when he says the game is not "Near fun right now." Since when did one opinion become better than another? Just because Smed is the President, does not mean his opinion holds more weight. Smed also thought that the Pre-CU version wasn't fun and that it was too hard to get into, but how many people disagree with that statement?
He said he wouldn't do the NGE over again, because he lost a lot of money for making a stupid decision.
It doesn't have to take a braniac to know a President of a Corporation wouldn't make the same mistake twice that cost him a lot of money.
Ahh but see I trusted so far... I kept thinking they were making it better. NOT WORSE..
This last move was 10 steps backwards... we tried to move them forward with the last change, while I hated it -- it was MUCH better then the NGE. (Obvioulsy now) SO I guess what should be told is that the game WAS LOSING SUBS, yes... but the change to the NGE was a failure in it's own right.
THE CU was not a great succes, make no excuse.. however it had more promise then the NGE as we now know. At least you had more of a player base to work with. I understand it was a harder game, I understand they needed to get more kids to play, this we all know.. My point is we had a product that had more promise then the NGE ever will. They did not see it, now people are paying for it.
No matter what I say, no matter what you say... The proof is in the pudding. Subs, Profit, The president calling it a failure is enough for me to see plain and simple it is NOT A GOOD GAME, just by using common sense.
This you or I cannot change. It is what it is, but make no mistake, I know the game had issues.. but when you have 400k or so people playing it vs less then 100k and with each version pushing more away I think your doing somthing wrong obvioulsy.
I tell ya, I am glad that Mr. Smedley fessed up in more detail and bluntly about the NGE.. if anything it shows people what the company thinks of it.. from the TOP DOWN... now then, maybe the customers THAT ARE LEFT PLAYING it will take off the rose colored glasses and see it for what it is.
Again, I am glad this is not a car company because alot of people would be dead.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
He said the NGE was a mistake and "if he had it to do over, he wouldn't have done it"
Where is this getting lost in translation? He said he wouldn't have done it AT ALL.. not that he would have communicated better... AT ALL.
Smed is only executing an opinion when he says the game is not "Near fun right now." Since when did one opinion become better than another? Just because Smed is the President, does not mean his opinion holds more weight. Smed also thought that the Pre-CU version wasn't fun and that it was too hard to get into, but how many people disagree with that statement?
He said he wouldn't do the NGE over again, because he lost a lot of money for making a stupid decision.
It doesn't have to take a braniac to know a President of a Corporation wouldn't make the same mistake twice that cost him a lot of money.
Great lol now we are debating what he freaking said... Smed -- lol
Now look guys, I'm sorry.. if you cannot figure out what he freaking said then no way is talking or posting going to help anyone figure it out.
LOL... This is like saying HEY THE SKY IS BLUE and some of you saying it's RED all the time and your just seeing blue because you want to.
I mean come on, the symantics are a joke now. lol, like Smedley is just a player or somthing... funny.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I forgot who you were again? Sorry lol.. Opinions are like assholes as we all know btw.
However, your baseless dribble as you called it pretty much countered what you said.. NOW THEN, while you think (XXXX ABOUT THE GAME) The company, Smedley, Producers think otherwise. THAT is the point.
So while you may say what you want.. they (perse) can say what they want.. (Except the difference is they own the company and you do not or the product for that matter).
So each time you say (THE NGE IS GREAT) do not be suprised if someone posts (NO IT IS NOT AND THIS IS WHY)... If you cannot handle being told by the company itself that this is a failure and mistake then I am sorry. BUT you cannot say that they did not (Or others did not tell you this).
You can try to change what was said all you want, sorry it's a bit late for that one.
You are funny though.... you really are.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
He said the NGE was a mistake and "if he had it to do over, he wouldn't have done it"
Where is this getting lost in translation? He said he wouldn't have done it AT ALL.. not that he would have communicated better... AT ALL.
I dont think anyone here is saying NGE was NOT a mistake, the point is the game since NGE was released has been improved greatly. And as Smed said it is getting to the place where the game is fun again. And being it is in English it shouldnt need translation or interputation for must of us. Simplely put the NGE was a mistake and the changes have made it better than the original release of the NGE. But IMHO not as fun as pre-CU or even CU. But it is improving. He didnt say SWG was a mistake, he didnt say the changes that have happened recently were a mistake, just the NGE was the mistake. Easy enough for us all to see I would say. The problem is people are using the quote "The NGE was a Mistake" and appling it to all that has happened since NGE was released. I would think anyone that didnt like the NGE would be happy to see they admiited it was a mistake and are making changes to bring back some of the orginal functionality.
Yes I understand this.. but at the same time -- with this same people that try to tell people that this game has promise or is considered a success, I feel the need to make sure people see what is the truth.
Not some guy saying "Oh the NGE is great and we have tons of people flocking back etc.." ---
I did not call anyone names, now then.. berating the current playerbase??? Damn right I am.. I will be clear here... VERY CLEAR.. this current player base is by all means sub-par. They accept a crappy product, missleadings still, also not to mention buy into a product that is a failure without consideration. If anything when they spew how good or great the NGE is, while the president of the company tells us otherwise I think that is missleading.
While I see what your saying "smearing" it in anyones face at this point is almost a joke. DO NOT forget these are the same people (NGErs) that tried to tell us that the game is great and doing well...and going to be the best thing.. etc.. SO I admit it feels good to show them they were and are wrong at the same time I cannot feel bad for them. At this point being candid and nice about it is a waste of time. I rather tell them how it is percieved from the company itself each time they percieve it as some good product.
After thinking about it, a boycott may have been the answer a long time ago. Now as you know, this games days are numbered. As far as I am concearned for each post from someone about how the NGE is good in any fashion I hope that somone is there to rebuttle it with comments made from the makers themselves of how the GAME REALLY IS.
Being civil is one thing, telling people like it is might be rough, sure it may make the current player base look like fools buying into a product that even it's own company does not support perse.. (As stated clearly to you now and others).. to me this is a matter of stating the obvious. I do not need to call people names to show this whatsoever.
You assumed or are confusing the fact I think that the people playing this version of the game are wise or for that matter have a sense of self respect. Sure it's a game but someone is paying for it.. if people pay for this type of product then OTHER COMPANIES AND THIS ONE will continue to get away with putting out this crappy or sub-par prodcut all the time.
I would sell 1 acre of swamp land to these people if they are willing to pay 500k each for it, and continue to do so if they contiuned to pay for it. SOE is no different, if they continue to pay for it, they will continue to sell it until the profit is not there.
Think about it... Over the last week, the Producers, The President of the company said this is a failure, a mistake and while the intent was good... it went wrong and was a bad idea. The current version of this game is a FAILURE -- period. Stated clear.. Yet if people somehow think this is "OK" then please do not make excuses for them not to be somewhat expressed as sub-par.
I'ts funny, some people that say "It's just a game" are ok with it -- until you tell them to delete thier Jedi to prove that...lol Try it..lol , good luck with that one.
I see what your saying, but sorry.. it is what it is.
NEVER is it okay to belittle others...NEVER. But you are flaming people, which is against the rules of this forum, over and over again, even when asked to quit and you have no problem with it.
Well, if anything, you have made yourself unagreeable to the current playerbase and the Pre-CU playerbase are starting to shun you. You really need to chill out and let people be. Almost everything is subject to opinion and if someone thinks that the NGE is better than the Pre-CU, their opinion means no less than yours.
The burden of proof on whether or not Smed said this game is a failure is on you. You made the comment, not us. What we read in articles is that he said it was a mistake to push the NGE forward and alienate the old playerbase. Well...duh! Any NGEer as you put it, would agree with that. But never have I heard him say that the NGE is a failure or the the NGE is a worst game. I'm not saying the NGE isn't a failure, because it did fail to meet the expectations that Smed had for it, but whether or not the NGE is a worse game is just opinion and everyone has an opinion and none are above another.
For now on I will report every single post that you are flaming other people in. I hope others will join me in this, because the forums do not belong to people like you, they belong to people who follow the rules.
Um... you need to see the emails he sent to people. (Sorry he flat out called it a failure in the emails to them lol) -- We posted it, he will admit it... if you need to email him to, please do so he will respond.
I mean you need to read back what Smedley sent to people on behalf of this discussion, this is like arguing with people that do not want to HEAR the truth of what he flat out said for God sakes.
Look, I know your mad, I know it looks bad to be in this mess I would imagine, but crap man... just read what he called it -- HE did so perfectly in this thread. He also cannot debate here, but we know how that would end up as he said too.
Now then since you just threatend me with your "forum cop" mentality I think you should be reported for each time you think you need to report someone lol. So there.. (yeah I had to come to your level for this) lol. And I too hope yada yada yada people join me in this yada yada yada. etc.. they don't belong to the tattle tails yada yada.. ok this part is old now...lol SO QUIT FLAMING PEOPLE or we will report you yada yada.. etc..
Now then as far as the -Pre-CU shun thing?? Not sure how that is present but as far as that goes, it makes no sense. I of course would welcome that game back.. with fixes it would be great too. By all means the NGE player and pre-NGE player are two different gamer types I think. (or at least now have been filtered out).
Let me be very clear with this, everyone can have thier opinion BUT expect a reply back that may have more info or show of more support of one way or the other. By all means we can all choose to do what we want, but when you use it as bait or promotion of somthing then expect it back.
The forum cop thing was good though, I like that... might be a good job for you. lol
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Ahh but see I trusted so far... I kept thinking they were making it better. NOT WORSE..
This last move was 10 steps backwards... we tried to move them forward with the last change, while I hated it -- it was MUCH better then the NGE. (Obvioulsy now) SO I guess what should be told is that the game WAS LOSING SUBS, yes... but the change to the NGE was a failure in it's own right.
THE CU was not a great succes, make no excuse.. however it had more promise then the NGE as we now know. At least you had more of a player base to work with. I understand it was a harder game, I understand they needed to get more kids to play, this we all know.. My point is we had a product that had more promise then the NGE ever will. They did not see it, now people are paying for it.
No matter what I say, no matter what you say... The proof is in the pudding. Subs, Profit, The president calling it a failure is enough for me to see plain and simple it is NOT A GOOD GAME, just by using common sense.
This you or I cannot change. It is what it is, but make no mistake, I know the game had issues.. but when you have 400k or so people playing it vs less then 100k and with each version pushing more away I think your doing somthing wrong obvioulsy.
I tell ya, I am glad that Mr. Smedley fessed up in more detail and bluntly about the NGE.. if anything it shows people what the company thinks of it.. from the TOP DOWN... now then, maybe the customers THAT ARE LEFT PLAYING it will take off the rose colored glasses and see it for what it is.
Again, I am glad this is not a car company because alot of people would be dead.
That is all opinion based, based on your prefrence for gaming.
Again...Smedley has said Pre-CU was a failure too. It too was bleeding subs and not gaining any new subs. Yes, the game you enjoyed and played (and I did too) was also called a failure. Does that change how you think of the game then? No, obviously it doesn't. Would SWG have a decent number of subs today if it was still Pre-cu? That's hard to say, it was having a hard trouble attracting and keeping new people.
I forgot who you were again? Sorry lol.. Opinions are like assholes as we all know btw.
However, your baseless dribble as you called it pretty much countered what you said.. NOW THEN, while you think (XXXX ABOUT THE GAME) The company, Smedley, Producers think otherwise. THAT is the point.
So while you may say what you want.. they (perse) can say what they want.. (Except the difference is they own the company and you do not or the product for that matter).
So each time you say (THE NGE IS GREAT) do not be suprised if someone posts (NO IT IS NOT AND THIS IS WHY)... If you cannot handle being told by the company itself that this is a failure and mistake then I am sorry. BUT you cannot say that they did not (Or others did not tell you this).
You can try to change what was said all you want, sorry it's a bit late for that one.
You are funny though.... you really are.
ROFL, once again mindless dribble that answered only a single question. Please show me where I said NGE was great? I said it was a mistake. Man, you are truely unarmed in a battle of the wits. My friend I am not changing what he said at all. You failed to answer even question 1 and 3. I guess the every one has an opinion statement is an acceptable answer to 2, although volgur. Again did he say the recent changes or SWG as a whole was a mistake or just the NGE and it implementation was a mistake? You are afraid to answer because you know the truth of what was said, is that it ? And 3, name a game to offers all that not name SWG?
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He said the NGE was a mistake and "if he had it to do over, he wouldn't have done it"
Where is this getting lost in translation? He said he wouldn't have done it AT ALL.. not that he would have communicated better... AT ALL.
I dont think anyone here is saying NGE was NOT a mistake, the point is the game since NGE was released has been improved greatly. And as Smed said it is getting to the place where the game is fun again. And being it is in English it shouldnt need translation or interputation for must of us. Simplely put the NGE was a mistake and the changes have made it better than the original release of the NGE. But IMHO not as fun as pre-CU or even CU. But it is improving. He didnt say SWG was a mistake, he didnt say the changes that have happened recently were a mistake, just the NGE was the mistake. Easy enough for us all to see I would say. The problem is people are using the quote "The NGE was a Mistake" and appling it to all that has happened since NGE was released. I would think anyone that didnt like the NGE would be happy to see they admiited it was a mistake and are making changes to bring back some of the orginal functionality.
I know you are smart enough to know that it will never be back to the "original functionality" -- I just have to know this.
At no way now can this be done... 10 MONTHS later even saying this is sad.
If this was a project that had not been released yet then this convo would apply, however it's not.
So instead of right now us getting some cool expansions, a great FRS system, Ranger revamp and Squad leading having a purpose..
You are getting a adjustable Map -- (Yep that we had before and is now being brought back out of haste due to people asking for yet another thing back that was taken away)
See, sooner or later people will wonder "Wait, why the fuck am I asking back for this?????" ,"This was not broke? I should not have to ask for this back???? In fact why waste my money or time on this??? "I would have wanted a new planet, class or expansion???" ,"So let me get this straight?? "You tell me I can't have this back?? Then you say I can??? but you wasted all this time in between to do it???" -- ?????
This is like taking your car to the shop and telling them you want rounder wheels.....
So this is the company and mentality your paying for. Yep, we had it before, took it out, trying to bring it back -- want praise for it and now want some sort of valid excuse to now call it (NEW AND GREAT) when in fact this should have NEVER been taking out in the first fucking place.
Things like this are mistakes.. and the NGE is one big version of that.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
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will never buy another sony product again, thanks SOE!
To all lovers of Star Wars, I would like to add my own thoghts about what I would like to have or see in SW Galaxies. I know there is much emotion on both sides of this issue all, I can say is that I like many of you "voted with my feet." Still I love Star Wars. I remember with great fondness seeing it in 1977 as a child of 5 with my mother. Truly I fell in love with not only Star Wars but movies because of that day.
Personally I prefer the Pre-CU to the NGE. Still it was not the perfect Star Wars expericence that I would have wanted. It could have been made that way I feel, but the developers felt diffrenet. So my thoughts are in the context of the NGE although I dont really have an affection for its mechanics.
What I would like to see them do is rework the Universe into Core and Outer rim sectors with multipule worlds in each one. You could have the Core worlds unable to be built upon but there would be space to be reneted for the super rich in the game. As well as shops for the weatlhy crafters to make and sell there unique items to the player base. ( I know they need unique items or at least worthy items to sell). These worlds and sectors would have a massive Imperial flavor and would be very diffcult for open rebels or light side Jedi to move about and play on. For netural charecters as well as imps there could be many missions and mini games to occupy there time. Dark Jedi coudl work to gain the Emperors favor. Rebel spys could work to gleen information and run missions in these places as well adding to the flavor and options of play. I would also mention in passing that these Core worlds would offer areas to Entertainers were the higher level players could but on shows and do the complex acts that they loved before.
Outer Rim worlds could be the place for the Uncle Owen crowd to be able to set up player cities, farm for resources and rework some of the loved aspects of the former game back into the mix. You could have skills for some of the classes that related to the old scout and ranger professions. (Some of my favorite times where in camps out in the wilderness of the worlds back in the day
) This would act as the "Froniter" of the Empire and would be the place were the Rebels could build up there strength, train (run missions, whatever) and take on the empire as there able. This area would be the place for the advancing imp to make a name for him/herself and trying to be a pain in the Rebillions side. Those players who wish to play lightside Jedi would be forced to dwell in these areas, at least untill the had advanced enough in power that they coudl use there powers to sneak into the Core worlds. This would let people play Jedi but at least but it in the proper context of the timeline. This set up would offer plenty of options to use smugglers to move things from the Core to the Rim and vs verse.
The space aspects of the game would be affected in that a x-wing flying into the core worlds by him/herself would in all likely hood be destroyed. Organized raids by guilds into imp space as well as imp guilds raiding suspected rebel space would I think be fun as well. This would also open the market for acutally smuggling people (rebel alliance) into the Core sectors as well as resources, a heavy imperial tax could be added to bringing resources into Core space when not using a smuggler. Or something as simple as needing imperial access codes to land on these worlds, which of course a high level or mid level smuggler would have access too. I think all these type things would really add to the GCW whichi is a stated goal.
This is I know just a surface treatment of the game. A direction that I would like to see the game take, or at least a future SW MMO. I know another revision of the game would have the whole player base up in arms and the former player base dancing around shouting I told you so and I understand that too. All I can say is I would really like playing in the universe I describe. I leave the technical aspects of building such games and universes to those with the skill and know how. Im sure there are many more ideas and better plans for Star Wars out there, these are mine off the top of my head. I thank you for reading my rather long post and wish you a good day!
I forgot who you were again? Sorry lol.. Opinions are like assholes as we all know btw.
However, your baseless dribble as you called it pretty much countered what you said.. NOW THEN, while you think (XXXX ABOUT THE GAME) The company, Smedley, Producers think otherwise. THAT is the point.
So while you may say what you want.. they (perse) can say what they want.. (Except the difference is they own the company and you do not or the product for that matter).
So each time you say (THE NGE IS GREAT) do not be suprised if someone posts (NO IT IS NOT AND THIS IS WHY)... If you cannot handle being told by the company itself that this is a failure and mistake then I am sorry. BUT you cannot say that they did not (Or others did not tell you this).
You can try to change what was said all you want, sorry it's a bit late for that one.
You are funny though.... you really are.
ROFL, once again mindless dribble that answered only a single question. Please show me where I said NGE was great? I said it was a mistake. Man, you are truely unarmed in a battle of the wits. My friend I am not changing what he said at all. You failed to answer even question 1 and 3. I guess the every one has an opinion statement is an acceptable answer to 2, although volgur. Again did he say the recent changes or SWG as a whole was a mistake or just the NGE and it implementation was a mistake? You are afraid to answer because you know the truth of what was said, is that it ? And 3, name a game to offers all that not name SWG?
AFRAID TO ANSWER???? W T F??? I have answered and freaking even posted emails myself from this??? AFRAID?? Man for crapsake I think I pretty much put it all out there.. even hanging Mr. Smedley in most respects??? You really need to step back. I know your eager to try to change what w as said or even better yet try to save this somehow but crap man.. choose different words at least. Your wits are fooling even yourself, if you cannot handle this then at least do not make a excuse for it with your attempt at a insult your bad at it.
As far as other games??? I don't get the point to that other then saying.. I find Star Wars Legos II more fun with my boy I guess, clean and oddly enough more Star Warsy and Iconic (LOL I HAD TO) then SWG is now.
But then again, trying to compare SWG to a good Game is like trying to compare eating a bowling ball to eating a orange.
As far as the SIM comments I made, I should have been more clear.. I like a harder, with SIM type aspects more or less. (Combat as the secondary in some ways) crafting, economy etc..(or I dare say pre-NGE SWG more so).
Answer to your Smedley comment of what he said:
1) The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
5) After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Please do not try to make it into a "but" he meant "XXXXX" or he was thinking "XXXXX" --- your really reaching if you do.
Oh and as far as naming another game that offers more then SWG? In terms of what? Just "Working or is polished?" I mean I am not sure what your getting at.. you can have 1,000,000,000 words in a book.. if they don't make sense then what is the point of the story? There is tons of games that are more stable, polished and more populated then SWG is that is your question or idea behind that one?
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I know.. it's wearing me thin, I get Smedley to email and post somthing as fact, I rebuttle the OP with the thought of it and people have tried to read it as some sort of positive thing.
I just read these and wonder WTF.
Here I am arguing that the NGE is a bad prodcut... and is a failure and mistake. I could get the makers of the freaking game to say that and people will still argue this. ... I just wonder..lol
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I forgot who you were again? Sorry lol.. Opinions are like assholes as we all know btw.
However, your baseless dribble as you called it pretty much countered what you said.. NOW THEN, while you think (XXXX ABOUT THE GAME) The company, Smedley, Producers think otherwise. THAT is the point.
So while you may say what you want.. they (perse) can say what they want.. (Except the difference is they own the company and you do not or the product for that matter).
So each time you say (THE NGE IS GREAT) do not be suprised if someone posts (NO IT IS NOT AND THIS IS WHY)... If you cannot handle being told by the company itself that this is a failure and mistake then I am sorry. BUT you cannot say that they did not (Or others did not tell you this).
You can try to change what was said all you want, sorry it's a bit late for that one.
You are funny though.... you really are.
ROFL, once again mindless dribble that answered only a single question. Please show me where I said NGE was great? I said it was a mistake. Man, you are truely unarmed in a battle of the wits. My friend I am not changing what he said at all. You failed to answer even question 1 and 3. I guess the every one has an opinion statement is an acceptable answer to 2, although volgur. Again did he say the recent changes or SWG as a whole was a mistake or just the NGE and it implementation was a mistake? You are afraid to answer because you know the truth of what was said, is that it ? And 3, name a game to offers all that not name SWG?
AFRAID TO ANSWER???? W T F??? I have answered and freaking even posted emails myself from this??? AFRAID?? Man for crapsake I think I pretty much put it all out there.. even hanging Mr. Smedley in most respects??? You really need to step back. I know your eager to try to change what w as said or even better yet try to save this somehow but crap man.. choose different words at least. Your wits are fooling even yourself, if you cannot handle this then at least do not make a excuse for it with your attempt at a insult your bad at it.
As far as other games??? I don't get the point to that other then saying.. I find Star Wars Legos II more fun with my boy I guess, clean and oddly enough more Star Warsy and Iconic (LOL I HAD TO) then SWG is now.
But then again, trying to compare SWG to a good Game is like trying to compare eating a bowling ball to eating a orange.
As far as the SIM comments I made, I should have been more clear.. I like a harder, with SIM type aspects more or less. (Combat as the secondary in some ways) crafting, economy etc..(or I dare say pre-NGE SWG more so).
Answer to your Smedley comment of what he said:
1) The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
5) After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Please do not try to make it into a "but" he meant "XXXXX" or he was thinking "XXXXX" --- your really reaching if you do.
Oh and as far as naming another game that offers more then SWG? In terms of what? Just "Working or is polished?" I mean I am not sure what your getting at.. you can have 1,000,000,000 words in a book.. if they don't make sense then what is the point of the story? There is tons of games that are more stable, polished and more populated then SWG is that is your question or idea behind that one?
OMG, mindless dribble again, you still havent answered the question, did Smed say SWG and recent changes were a mistake or the NGE and it implementation. And you wont answer because you know what the answer is. As for comparing to other games, you havent played SWG, admittedly in 8 months, how do you know the fun level if it now. Question 3 there are more stable games, but now that isnt what I ask it was simple, what games offers all the above mentioned stuff. Again you wont answer because once again you know the answer. BIG LETTERS and repeating the same dribble while avioding the question has to be seen by all who read your post by now. !!!FLAMEON!! --insert iskareot's mindless dribble here ( Start
Killer... we had close to this at one time.
Sorry this was to hard or to complex I guess for some. Who knows, but it is great.. I like the fact that there is not 10000000 Jedi running around a city with a pole arm.
I like that you have to think where you are going to go, plan for it, have risk and loss as a posibility.
But as we all know how they listen to the ideas.. I think there was (no offense) at least 5 of these posted a DAY back before the NGE... they chose for it to fall on deaf ears.
Sucks too, your version is much better then this NGE crap.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I forgot who you were again? Sorry lol.. Opinions are like assholes as we all know btw.
However, your baseless dribble as you called it pretty much countered what you said.. NOW THEN, while you think (XXXX ABOUT THE GAME) The company, Smedley, Producers think otherwise. THAT is the point.
So while you may say what you want.. they (perse) can say what they want.. (Except the difference is they own the company and you do not or the product for that matter).
So each time you say (THE NGE IS GREAT) do not be suprised if someone posts (NO IT IS NOT AND THIS IS WHY)... If you cannot handle being told by the company itself that this is a failure and mistake then I am sorry. BUT you cannot say that they did not (Or others did not tell you this).
You can try to change what was said all you want, sorry it's a bit late for that one.
You are funny though.... you really are.
ROFL, once again mindless dribble that answered only a single question. Please show me where I said NGE was great? I said it was a mistake. Man, you are truely unarmed in a battle of the wits. My friend I am not changing what he said at all. You failed to answer even question 1 and 3. I guess the every one has an opinion statement is an acceptable answer to 2, although volgur. Again did he say the recent changes or SWG as a whole was a mistake or just the NGE and it implementation was a mistake? You are afraid to answer because you know the truth of what was said, is that it ? And 3, name a game to offers all that not name SWG?
AFRAID TO ANSWER???? W T F??? I have answered and freaking even posted emails myself from this??? AFRAID?? Man for crapsake I think I pretty much put it all out there.. even hanging Mr. Smedley in most respects??? You really need to step back. I know your eager to try to change what w as said or even better yet try to save this somehow but crap man.. choose different words at least. Your wits are fooling even yourself, if you cannot handle this then at least do not make a excuse for it with your attempt at a insult your bad at it.
As far as other games??? I don't get the point to that other then saying.. I find Star Wars Legos II more fun with my boy I guess, clean and oddly enough more Star Warsy and Iconic (LOL I HAD TO) then SWG is now.
But then again, trying to compare SWG to a good Game is like trying to compare eating a bowling ball to eating a orange.
As far as the SIM comments I made, I should have been more clear.. I like a harder, with SIM type aspects more or less. (Combat as the secondary in some ways) crafting, economy etc..(or I dare say pre-NGE SWG more so).
Answer to your Smedley comment of what he said:
1) The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
5) After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Please do not try to make it into a "but" he meant "XXXXX" or he was thinking "XXXXX" --- your really reaching if you do.
Oh and as far as naming another game that offers more then SWG? In terms of what? Just "Working or is polished?" I mean I am not sure what your getting at.. you can have 1,000,000,000 words in a book.. if they don't make sense then what is the point of the story? There is tons of games that are more stable, polished and more populated then SWG is that is your question or idea behind that one?
LOL poor old smed, I know we all need a Icon to hate during all this but at least he is big enough to fess up.
Damnit he gone all respectable an normal i need another focus for my rage at soe. Suggestions anyone.
I know.. it's wearing me thin, I get Smedley to email and post somthing as fact, I rebuttle the OP with the thought of it and people have tried to read it as some sort of positive thing.
I just read these and wonder WTF.
Here I am arguing that the NGE is a bad prodcut... and is a failure and mistake. I could get the makers of the freaking game to say that and people will still argue this. ... I just wonder..lol
He never said the current changes or the current turns the game has taken was a mistake, And I never argued that NGE was a good product. My point was and is the game is alot better than 12/05. The changes have indeed brought back some of the functionality and SWG is picking up subs, according the DEVs but you wont quote that. You are not arguing that NGE was a mistake, because there is no one to agrue with, not me for sure. The makers of the game never said it was dying, in fact they said it was they biggest gainer as of late. you are a bitter dude, and I still dont understand why you care if others like SWG now. And as I said before which you overlooked as you do most facts I have said in my post, The fact I like SWG now does not mean I like it more than pre-CU or CU or even that the implementation of NGE wasnt a mistake. Just they have done alot of good to the state of the game since NGE was released. IMHO
I forgot who you were again? Sorry lol.. Opinions are like assholes as we all know btw.
However, your baseless dribble as you called it pretty much countered what you said.. NOW THEN, while you think (XXXX ABOUT THE GAME) The company, Smedley, Producers think otherwise. THAT is the point.
So while you may say what you want.. they (perse) can say what they want.. (Except the difference is they own the company and you do not or the product for that matter).
So each time you say (THE NGE IS GREAT) do not be suprised if someone posts (NO IT IS NOT AND THIS IS WHY)... If you cannot handle being told by the company itself that this is a failure and mistake then I am sorry. BUT you cannot say that they did not (Or others did not tell you this).
You can try to change what was said all you want, sorry it's a bit late for that one.
You are funny though.... you really are.
ROFL, once again mindless dribble that answered only a single question. Please show me where I said NGE was great? I said it was a mistake. Man, you are truely unarmed in a battle of the wits. My friend I am not changing what he said at all. You failed to answer even question 1 and 3. I guess the every one has an opinion statement is an acceptable answer to 2, although volgur. Again did he say the recent changes or SWG as a whole was a mistake or just the NGE and it implementation was a mistake? You are afraid to answer because you know the truth of what was said, is that it ? And 3, name a game to offers all that not name SWG?
AFRAID TO ANSWER???? W T F??? I have answered and freaking even posted emails myself from this??? AFRAID?? Man for crapsake I think I pretty much put it all out there.. even hanging Mr. Smedley in most respects??? You really need to step back. I know your eager to try to change what w as said or even better yet try to save this somehow but crap man.. choose different words at least. Your wits are fooling even yourself, if you cannot handle this then at least do not make a excuse for it with your attempt at a insult your bad at it.
As far as other games??? I don't get the point to that other then saying.. I find Star Wars Legos II more fun with my boy I guess, clean and oddly enough more Star Warsy and Iconic (LOL I HAD TO) then SWG is now.
But then again, trying to compare SWG to a good Game is like trying to compare eating a bowling ball to eating a orange.
As far as the SIM comments I made, I should have been more clear.. I like a harder, with SIM type aspects more or less. (Combat as the secondary in some ways) crafting, economy etc..(or I dare say pre-NGE SWG more so).
Answer to your Smedley comment of what he said:
1) The NGE itself has turned out to be a mistake. I strongly believe in the idea of making SWG better.. so the intent was pure.
5) After this experience.. simply put.. I wouldn’t have gone with the NGE if I had to do it over again. Unfortunately in this case we aren’t the only decision makers.
Please do not try to make it into a "but" he meant "XXXXX" or he was thinking "XXXXX" --- your really reaching if you do.
Oh and as far as naming another game that offers more then SWG? In terms of what? Just "Working or is polished?" I mean I am not sure what your getting at.. you can have 1,000,000,000 words in a book.. if they don't make sense then what is the point of the story? There is tons of games that are more stable, polished and more populated then SWG is that is your question or idea behind that one?
OMG, mindless dribble again, you still havent answered the question, did Smed say SWG and recent changes were a mistake or the NGE and it implementation. And you wont answer because you know what the answer is. As for comparing to other games, you havent played SWG, admittedly in 8 months, how do you know the fun level if it now. Question 3 there are more stable games, but now that isnt what I ask it was simple, what games offers all the above mentioned stuff. Again you wont answer because once again you know the answer. BIG LETTERS and repeating the same dribble while avioding the question has to be seen by all who read your post by now. !!!FLAMEON!! --insert iskareot's mindless dribble here ( Start
THE NGE WAS A MISTAKE! (IN A WHOLE!)? Complete as in it was a mistake to do -- Read above, you can do this... you really can. Sorry that mindless text of his is above you I guess.
HE HAS ALSO SAID COUNTLESS TIMES THAT EVEN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF IT WAS TOO! Not only that, let's keep going and ADD THAT THE PRODUCERS SAID "IT WAS A MISTAKE AND NOT TO DO WHAT THEY DID!" --- for other companies.
Kid your killing me.. you really are...
Note: I played the game (for a few mins btw because it killed me to see the ghost towns) a month ago. Also I cannot stomach how bad it was... I will admit, the giant circle on the ground with that nickel rocket launcher was enough for me to laugh at. However, my 7 year old did like it.. he thought it was fun... so maybe there is a market for it after all who knows.
So your 8 months thing.. no clue where you got that...but ok whatever so far your making your own shit up.
I would say EvE, WoW, Saga Of Ryzom offer more of a game then SWG just based on success or quality alone. Offering more of somthing obviously is vauge. I mean crap, who knows all the games on the entire market and better yet -- what do you consider "worth?" --
I considered pre-CU SWG as offering a massive amount of gaming vs the NGE? Is this wrong to say? I consider WoW as offering more quality and polish then SWG hands down.. For instance, SWG has space, but WoW has quests that work lol.. SO I mean it is and always will be hard to compare a apple to orange but this with anything and you even know this.
NOW THEN if your asking me what I would invest my time in based on quality or content then by all means it's not SWG.. so many things do not even work right still I'm sure in SWG. I do not even know how long the current bug list is for SWG but I can bet it's huge.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I know.. it's wearing me thin, I get Smedley to email and post somthing as fact, I rebuttle the OP with the thought of it and people have tried to read it as some sort of positive thing.
I just read these and wonder WTF.
Here I am arguing that the NGE is a bad prodcut... and is a failure and mistake. I could get the makers of the freaking game to say that and people will still argue this. ... I just wonder..lol
He never said the current changes or the current turns the game has taken was a mistake, And I never argued that NGE was a good product. My point was and is the game is alot better than 12/05. The changes have indeed brought back some of the functionality and SWG is picking up subs, according the DEVs but you wont quote that. You are not arguing that NGE was a mistake, because there is no one to agrue with, not me for sure. The makers of the game never said it was dying, in fact they said it was they biggest gainer as of late. you are a bitter dude, and I still dont understand why you care if others like SWG now. And as I said before which you overlooked as you do most facts I have said in my post, The fact I like SWG now does not mean I like it more than pre-CU or CU or even that the implementation of NGE wasnt a mistake. Just they have done alot of good to the state of the game since NGE was released. IMHO
Even I know that once at the bottom the only way to go is up.
But I also have the sense to know what is a sinking ship with water in the bow as well.
The fact you even have to defend that they had to change the game since 12/5 is bad enough, the worst part about this is YOUR TRYING TO ARGUE with someone who knew this would happen and predicted it in many many posts long before you were even around. Now then, if you think I trust one thing that one Dev would say anywhere then you sir are lost. I will however trust a email from the president of the company. I feel he is more of a respected person and would not risk alot of his persona based on that.
Saying they have done alot of good to the game since it launched means what??? That they have done damage control so much that you should be happy now? Come on, who are you trying to kid? Your attempts at some sort of word or sly game to show that the NGE is a great and working thing is silly.
Smedley NO WHERE AT ALL has posted anywhere that the game is gaining people as of late or by all means is a success. Not one producer has said it is gaining people or doing well.. In fact they have said the complete opposite. In fact I have NEVER seen any sort of comments made by the Dev team or Producers, President that the game is doing well and or gaining customers or is some sort of success... please by all means tell Smedley that because I don't think he even knows it.
Again saying they have done good since the NGE was released is kinda funny if you think about it... for a split second if you realize that no time should have been wasted in even making it.
From the bottom of somthing you can only go up... the funny thing is that 3.7 years into this , THAT should NOT be what is happening, but you fail to see this.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I know.. it's wearing me thin, I get Smedley to email and post somthing as fact, I rebuttle the OP with the thought of it and people have tried to read it as some sort of positive thing.
I just read these and wonder WTF.
Here I am arguing that the NGE is a bad prodcut... and is a failure and mistake. I could get the makers of the freaking game to say that and people will still argue this. ... I just wonder..lol
He never said the current changes or the current turns the game has taken was a mistake, And I never argued that NGE was a good product. My point was and is the game is alot better than 12/05. The changes have indeed brought back some of the functionality and SWG is picking up subs, according the DEVs but you wont quote that. You are not arguing that NGE was a mistake, because there is no one to agrue with, not me for sure. The makers of the game never said it was dying, in fact they said it was they biggest gainer as of late. you are a bitter dude, and I still dont understand why you care if others like SWG now. And as I said before which you overlooked as you do most facts I have said in my post, The fact I like SWG now does not mean I like it more than pre-CU or CU or even that the implementation of NGE wasnt a mistake. Just they have done alot of good to the state of the game since NGE was released. IMHO
You know and after just reading this again fast and looking at it..
One can only say, Well No shit!... any thing is better, boy that is just slick after reading it again fast lol.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
He said the NGE was a mistake and "if he had it to do over, he wouldn't have done it"
Where is this getting lost in translation? He said he wouldn't have done it AT ALL.. not that he would have communicated better... AT ALL.
Smed is only executing an opinion when he says the game is not "Near fun right now." Since when did one opinion become better than another? Just because Smed is the President, does not mean his opinion holds more weight. Smed also thought that the Pre-CU version wasn't fun and that it was too hard to get into, but how many people disagree with that statement?
He said he wouldn't do the NGE over again, because he lost a lot of money for making a stupid decision.
It doesn't have to take a braniac to know a President of a Corporation wouldn't make the same mistake twice that cost him a lot of money.
OK.. waitaminnit. When the president of the country said the game he's responsible for isn't fun, it's only his opinion? No.. it is therefore the opinion of the company. HE sets policy. HE sets the direction.
Then saying he wouldn't do it over again and that it was a costly mistake DOESN'T say the nge was a mistake how again? That's the DEFINITION of a mistake.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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