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No stealth is lame
ghoul31
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A large percentage of people love stealth, and they aren't going to have it?
seems like they are simplifying the game for the kiddies.
MMORPGS are getting simpler and more mindless everyday. It seems this game will be no exception
too bad.
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No more gankers, come out and fight like a man. If they put in stealth I wouldn't care, I would imagine the PvP/RvR is dominatly group based so even if you can kill one healer or caster, expect many... many swords and spells right up the pooper.
Don't care for stealth (I always play an offensive caster so that might make a little more for no-cloak) but if they ever put it in I'm not going to cry about it.
Stealth is for easy mode players and kiddies. You like stealth. lol.
Nicely stated. This is the main reason WAR doesn't have stealthing.
The second reason is improved PvP balance.
The third reason is improved PvE group-play - no more sitting around on your rear while some rogue goes off ahead to 'scout' while all they're really doing is wasting everyone else's time (No one NEEDS a rogue to scout) Wild concept, you go in the dungeon as a group, you play AS A GROUP.
WAR will do fine without any stealthers, and maybe other MMORPGs developers will see it and take a hint.
And how's HAVING stealth NOT appealing to the kiddies? Stealth is for noobs who doesn't know how to fight.
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Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay had stealth....of a sort.
Concealment; Rural
Concealment; Urban
And there was at least one 'stealther' career if I remember correctly which was the advanced career of spy...also there was an assassain career as well. Posting from memory, don't have my WFRP rulebook here with me at work .
That remark is as wrong as can be. You're just saying that because you got killed by a rogue again, arent ya? Stealth is a combat style. It has nothing to do with the ability to fight. At all.
OP: Stealth also has nothing to do with age. I dont see how not-including stealth would make the game more kiddie.
Back on topic: I honestly dont care whether or not they put stealth in. I can see Dark elves having a stealth class though. But thats about it.
Stealth in PvP is lame. Rogues are lame. Players playing rogues are lamers.
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>> EQ1 2000-2004 - Shaman/Bard/Wizard/Monk - nolife raid-whore
>> WoW 2004-2009 + Cataclysm for 2 months - hardcore casual
>> Current status : done with MMO, too old for that crap.
That remark is as wrong as can be. You're just saying that because you got killed by a rogue again, arent ya? Stealth is a combat style. It has nothing to do with the ability to fight. At all.
OP: Stealth also has nothing to do with age. I dont see how not-including stealth would make the game more kiddie.
Back on topic: I honestly dont care whether or not they put stealth in. I can see Dark elves having a stealth class though. But thats about it.
I completely agree with you.Seems like and "ARE" would be two seperate things. There is no stealth in the warhamme runiverse, its not part of the IP to hide in plain site. its not part of the IP either.
No stealth is great for the game, see everyone work as a group and deal with them.
war is everywhere.
That remark is as wrong as can be. You're just saying that because you got killed by a rogue again, arent ya? Stealth is a combat style. It has nothing to do with the ability to fight. At all.
actually most rogues use thier stealth to pick on weakened or weak opponents that can't fight back. so yes part of it is not having the ability to fight so they want an ability to bypass fights they know they suck so much at that they can't win.
The 'rogue' or 'stealther' as is being called in this thread is at heart a strategy. How a game design implements it determines how it will be used efficiently.
As someone who plays rogues in most any RPG I play (single or multiplayer, computer or pen and paper), most of you sound like youre just butthurt cause some crappy PERSON ganked you using stealth. As they say: hate the player not the class (ok so they dont say it but meh). No MMO has truly captured the style of the rogue. Every mmo ive played to date has streamlined the rogue into a single role: dps. EQ1 = dps, WoW = dps, L2 = dps, EQ2 = dps (SOME little utility though badly implemented imo). Is that a problem with the inherent idea of the rogue concept? No. Just the game designers inability to work what many rogue fans are truly looking for in their class: utility.
Skills skills skills. Thats what always comes to my mind when I think rogue. In a party the rogue is the one looking for and disarming traps the rest of their group cant see. Spotting the group of Goblins in ambush ahead of the party thanks to *gasp* stealth, so that the party doesnt get surprised. Party come up against a steel door thats locked and no matter how hard your large muscled bruteof the party tries he/she cant break it down? Oh hey, you got a rogue who can pick the lock so you can get by without having to find whoever has the key (if there even is one).
But WarHammer is all about WAR! Well rogues can excel at war too you know. How about siege engines? You trying to take a pass but your opponents have some catapults bombarding you? Send a rogue in to try and sabotage them to give your side a chance to fight their way in (Oh wait, stealth would come in handy here but then its such a BAD ability that we cant have that). How about a rogue stealthing around a battlefield bandaging wounded soldiers? Combat medic! Sure a healer would be better, but they stand out and generally make good target practice, so a quick bandage could keep them alive til a real healer can get there. And those are jsut off the top of my head.
And while were talking about war: guerilla tactics. Whoever said rogues (stealthers) have to do a lot of dmg? Not all rogues (stealthers) are trying to be ninja-assassins. We just dont necessarily find it entertaining to have to chop our way over piles of bodies and stand toe to toe with with a Keeper of Secrets.
And as far as people saying theres no stealth in WH: bullshit. There are more than one unit who starts out not even on the gameboard but HIDDEN in other units or terrain. HIDING is what stealth is all about. Its not invisibility. Its the game trying to mimic as best as its able the act of hiding. But since you cant really hide very effectively in an MMO especially against other players where it would be more possible IRL, its always represented as invisibility of one sort or another. Once again thats a limitaiton of the game design not of the concept of stealth itself.
And for the record: Fair fights are for suckers ^^ Use whatever you have to your advantage. If you got a set of keys, stick'em in your fist and make em count! (Saw that in a video clip once and I thought it was funny :P)
That remark is as wrong as can be. You're just saying that because you got killed by a rogue again, arent ya? Stealth is a combat style. It has nothing to do with the ability to fight. At all.
OP: Stealth also has nothing to do with age. I dont see how not-including stealth would make the game more kiddie.
Back on topic: I honestly dont care whether or not they put stealth in. I can see Dark elves having a stealth class though. But thats about it.
I play a stealth class in City of Heroes its just like I always expected easiest class I ever pvped with. If I get in trouble: vanish. I have the edge because the noobs in the zones dont even see me coming and I take away over half they life with my backstab. This is how it goes in all the MMOs thats why its always #1 rolled class for PVP cause getting the jump on noobs is the easiest way to win
That remark is as wrong as can be. You're just saying that because you got killed by a rogue again, arent ya? Stealth is a combat style. It has nothing to do with the ability to fight. At all.
OP: Stealth also has nothing to do with age. I dont see how not-including stealth would make the game more kiddie.
Back on topic: I honestly dont care whether or not they put stealth in. I can see Dark elves having a stealth class though. But thats about it.
I play a stealth class in City of Heroes its just like I always expected easiest class I ever pvped with. If I get in trouble: vanish. I have the edge because the noobs in the zones dont even see me coming and I take away over half they life with my backstab. This is how it goes in all the MMOs thats why its always #1 rolled class for PVP cause getting the jump on noobs is the easiest way to win
Stealth classes are meant to be played like that. Theyre backstabbers. Going for the easy kill. Preferrably when the target is already engaged. This however does NOT mean the player is skill-less and doesnt know how to fight
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This is an ancient topic, by the way. Discussing how certain playstyles tend to annoy a lot more than others. I remember the days when people would call me a pansy when I sniped them in BF1942. Telling me to grow some *beeps* and face them up close and personal. Futile discussion. Sniper--->range..........Rogue--->Stealth.
Sidenote: No stealth in W.A.R.....does that also mean no invisibility (As in spell-wise), or some other form of concealment?
That remark is as wrong as can be. You're just saying that because you got killed by a rogue again, arent ya? Stealth is a combat style. It has nothing to do with the ability to fight. At all.
OP: Stealth also has nothing to do with age. I dont see how not-including stealth would make the game more kiddie.
Back on topic: I honestly dont care whether or not they put stealth in. I can see Dark elves having a stealth class though. But thats about it.
Pfff stealth in warhammer online would be redicilous! People only choose a stealth class because they then are able to choose whom they will attack and when.Don't be childish and give examples of "me being owned by rogues" I've had my share of stealth in many various games and I tell you, never have I seen it been used in a smart way. Being able to stealth 10 meter in front of somebody in pure daylight on an open field is stupid.
Whatever the cause might be stealth have no place in this game. That would make it WoW and that's really not what we want here. This is no open PvP game like the others this is hardcore confrontation style! Rip people apart, this is actually a WAR! Not gank squad-alpha 3.
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First of all stealth has never been properly implemented in any MMO. A perfect example of *stealth* would be how it was depicted in Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell. Stealth is about non detection and concealment. It's not about running around invisible like games design it. I've play both stealth and non stealth. Can i live without stealth? Yeah easily.. There needs to be a way that a class can gather Intel secretly though. Thats one part of PVP that many enjoy and is an out of combat ability. Maybe they could have conceal ability which you can't enter combat from with like a 3 sec delay before you can attack another opponent after leaving concealment.. Just an idea.
Stealth attacks are unreal as well as unfair from a reality perspective. Stealth isn't invisibility and lore wise thats an ability that wouldn't of been a part of rogue classes anyways. Thats a magical ability reserved for magic classes.
Stealth is good for people who like to solo. You can find a lone target and fight him one on one.
If you dont have stealth, you have to enter enemy territory in large groups, and fight in large groups.
In groups, you lose that feeling of a one on one encounter.
Hunting down and killing stealthers is a lot of fun. Stealth adds another level to the game.
I'm gonna call bullshit on this one. I rarely, if ever grouped in DAoC, WoW, or SWG. Never grouped in EQ while I played on SZ. Didn't play a stealth class, either,. Well, aside from a lvl 29 twink gnome rogue in WoW, before the twink thing got totally carried away, but he never used stealth, so anyway. Never had any trouble getting kills. Just had to, you know, actually play smarter, not invisible, or in a zerg.
Fact is, if you've got more than three brain cells working, you can sneak up on 95% of people just by using the terrain to your advantage with no stealth skill necessary. Mouselook is hard for some, and whatnot.