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I'm pretty sure 46 levels is more than enough to realise you dont like something regardless of what the end game is like? I know I have played games and instantly thought "this is not for me". So fair play to the op for having a bash and formulating an opinion.
Also I find it funny how people expect someone to level up to the end game before they can start to experience the real focus of WoW... Its a bit like being invited to a party but told you have to watch the other guests through a window until its your turn to join in. Thats got to be pretty glum...
Perhaps thats why all DK's start at lvl 55, maybe Blizzard know the first 54 levels have been neglected compared to end game. Also before people respond with but the games growing, population population population. I'm not putting the game down, I'm just saying its up to the op if they like the game and they can review it at whatever point they want.
Lets give the guy a break.
First of all his complaints are valid.
Second you can't slam the guy for not hitting cap. Did you guys hit rank 40/80 in WAR before u decided it was rubbish?
You also can't bash the guy for being a slow leveler, it was his first time through and im sure he didnt use any lame quest mods.
Edit: you know i've always wondered why blizzard didnt add content to the leveling zones (other than duskwallow). It would be cool to see a couple new level 20-30 or 45-55 zones and maybe a couple new instances. Personally I would love to see a Azshara revamp. add that phasing thing to it make it have a nice pvp area in it and a winged level 45-50 dungeon. its a shame they make wow so top heavy.
Edit2: To the poster that said level 46 was 5% of that game you are truely sad and blinded by the gear tredmill blizzard has you running. seriously how does more then half the leveling game equal 5%. why must you troll the OP?
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Actually I am in a guild that lets you spec the way you want, play the way you want, no stat requirements or experience requirements, and we still raid regularly when we want too. Actually, the guild is large enough we have raids on most nights and even some mornings. If you want to go, you signup and go. End of story.
And no, we are not the first through the content nor are we the best....but we enjoy and love what we do and in no way, view it as a job. People who advertise and treat raiding like the above post quote are in it to be the best and if they would step back and enjoy the game again, they would realize how much fun you can actually have in WOW.
There are always exceptions. While you're guild doesnt have those requirements the majority of them do.
I think its cool that your guild is like that though if it means anything
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
I've played wow since release & i've pretty much really enjoyed all that it has to offer. I don't progress as fast as the more hardcore players do but its never been a problem...always been able to find likemind guilds to play with. for me i'm just at the point where i want to play something different, but i do find myself comparing new games to wow which sometimes isn't fair to other games that might not be going for that same conent or playstyle. i think 46 lvls is def enough time to decide if u like a game or not. can't please them all i say.
Your last sentence is correct.
However, the OP made general and overall comments, he couldn't do because he simply didn't experience about 90% of the changing content. He saw something but not the picture.
For example: he speaks of PvP and didn't experience the new world PvP zone or 3 of the 5 Bg's and not one of the 5 arena's. That's 2 out of 9 PvP offerings he didn't do.
Same for crafting. Crafting is just like the levels and talents you get a boom in the end game (both for aids, or fun or simply tools - like indeed crafting vehicules).
He saw some stuff and decided it was not for him, but he made end conclusions without experience.
Since the leveling is so easy in Wow these days, it is hard to explain why he didn't do the next levels, because like he said the game was polished.
He would have seen the real PvP, crafting and of course famous PVE Raid and heroics end game of Wow. Now he talks as if he KNOWS this, while he doesn't know anything about why people keep on playing this instead of newer offerings.
The changing and very polished end game in ALL options (PVE/PVP/crafting etc...) is exactly one of the differences between Wow and the newest entries.
He missed this.
He played an MMORPG, that means not a shooter where you play 30 hours. So this argument is not valid. He wanted to know why so many people play Wow (and keep playing it for 1, 2 or even 3 years.)
He dipped his toe in the water and than said : I know it, while he played a couple of hours in an MMORPG....heralded by the press for its long lasting value.
OMG - I think Im worse off for reading the OPs message. The lack of actual game play experience is very apparent in his message. The first mistake he made was actually choosing to play on a PVP server.
Please people don't cite quotes that are irrevelant to your experience. It actually is not evidence to support your point of view. Quoting someone regarding endgame raiding without having experienced is extermely empty.
Have a nice day.
for me its the lack of interest in pvp anymore thats led me to leave . its not suprising with the class imbalances at the worst i ve ever seen them in 4 years of playing coupled with awful lag espeacially in wintersgrasp . the pvp side of wow is essentially broken at present and if you like that side of the game its really not worth playing at the moment untill its fixed
Why is this a mistake?
Shouldn't WoW be about the Horde and alliance conflict? wouldnt people naturally want to bash the opposite Factions face in? To think this game follows a timeline set in place by one of the best Rts games and now current players call pvp servers a mistake. Hell I would even go so far as to say players in todays wow find pvp a disruption to thier normal wow day.
Edit: just think for a second, If a person brand new to WoW starts up the game. Wouldnt they want to be apart of the alliance/Horde conflict they experienced in WC2/WC3?
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I don't play WoW, never have, most likely never will, but I truely respect the game for what it has done for the industry....So, I often find myself looking upon it's threads defending the game when haters come and talk smack about the game because they have nothing better to do, but this time, it's different.
OP, I truely respect you. You don't care for the game, and unlike most of the haters, you actually tried it. You came to the forums and posted a thread about your view of the game after trying it. It was your opinion based on your experience with the game....
Not many people do that....most come to just hate a game they never tried because they say "it ruined the industry" or "it's nothing like EQ". Well OP, I applaud you.
You are not what I would consider a hater, but a true game fan
Thank you for not being another hater.
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All you missed by not getting wotlk are better graphics and more of what you had in the first 40 levels. I find the new bg areas sadly lacking, as far as being entertaining or fun. With all of Blizzards stuns and fears there is no sense of combat other then getting feared or stun locked to death. I guess if you are a caster you can hide under a tank or something and cast away while being somewhat hidden as there is 0 collision detection. The most fun pvp in the game seems to be low lev thus the popularity of twink . So at lev 40 you probably experienced all the fun and newness the game really offers.
Well, all I know is stability has gone down too, especially after Tues maintnence.
I started crashing randomly yesterday, but it got really bad tonight. Now mind you, the system's been rock solid playing since WotLK was installed, but yesterday and today was really bad. To test a theory, I had a friend stream through vent some music to test my actual internet connection. Vent kept solid, but WOW constantly crashed out every 15-30 minute intervals, then would go half way into the log in screen, stopping on sucess, but couldn't connect to the actual game server several times tonight. After 4 hours of a GM ticket, no responce, I decided to log out tonight. the competition is looking real good again, though I had some lag issues, it was nothing like this.
Have a good night folks.
To the OP, great post overall.
75% of the people read the thread long enough to find out if the OP flamed or praised their game. Once they figured that out, they stopped reading and started skimming for points to list in their flame post in order to defend their game.
Others may have actually read it and agreed or disagreed... but due to the length of the post, you lost a lot of them as well.
You got to 46...
What content does one miss by not levelling to 60, 70, or 80 in WoW?
Reputation grinds?
Daily quests?
Epic Mounts. Flying Mounts.
Doing the same dungeon/instance time and time again until each member gets the loot drops that they want/need?
The Arena system? A system by which to discover the new FotM, alienate the other classes, etc,....
AV? After you figure out that you will need to run AV between 30-60 times for 1 piece of gear... that doesn't get old? @ 19, you get WSG. @ 29 you get WSG and AB. 30 levels after that, you run AV (60) and continue running it for the next 20 levels (til you hit 80), and you never really stop.
Crafting? Zero skill in crafting. It's all about getting the materials... which usually have nothing to do with crafting either.
PvP? As the OP mentioned, none of the PvP in WoW has any real meaning or impact. It's about you getting 'honor'.
Now, I know a LOT of people like WoW and are addicted to the game, etc.,.. Hell, I play WoW. I hit 80, found out the class I play is underwhelming in PvP, the spec I play isn't desired in PvE/RAIDs, and so I am doing what nearly everyone else has done... rolled DK's.
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If you are just getting into the game, you will probably bypass a lot of what made the old game good and TBC good. Whether you want to bypass it or not, you will probably not get the chance to witness it... just rush to 80 and then grind your REP, HONOR, etc.,... for gear... wait til a patch, a new dungeon release, new arena season, or expansion and repeat.
Treadmill.
I played for 8 months. I never hit the cap because it was so BORING!!!! I leveled a hunter to level 48 and just couldn't stand to play anymore. So I made a warlock and had a blast, until level 55ish. At that point the only reason I kept my account going was because I figured out how to make money off the auction house. For the last 2 months I had a subscription I maybe spent 95% of my time in the AH or selling my services as an enchanter. I even bought every low level in my guild thier mounts when they got high enough level.
What chased me away was the fact that every quest was exactly the same. Go get 10, 15, 25 wolf ears or venom sacs or toad legs or ogre tongues. Its the same quests at every level. The only that changed was the drop rates. Honestly, if you are asked to go get 15 scopid stingers and every fight you get stung by said scorpid, shouldn't you get a stinger every fight? Oh no, the higher you ge the lower the drop rates. Things like that break immersion for a lot of people.
That was one of the better reads on WoW i've ever read.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head in every category.
The only one I would disagree with is your look on classes being completely free to choose how you play .cause I think that balancing would be impossible (not that it's any good now)
Anyways that was a nice read to the OP. would read again
There's some fanboi scrubs I see trying to attack the fact your lvl 46 and stopped. Well I can confirm that everything you said about endgame is accurate. It's a constant treadmill that leads nowhere. No depth beyond your gear progression. But is it really progression at all?
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
I played it for the first 12 months after release, but after that I gave up on the game. ALthough I honestly consider it one of the most addictive and enjoyable games I've played I could no longer stand the childish population who played it. Some of the things people did in the game were outrageous and outside what you would consider acceptable behaviour.
It's a game I would never take up again and I don't miss it at all. I hope WoW continues to run as it keeps all the idiots out of the games I currently play.
Very nice crossection of most common complaints about WoW and MMORPGs in general, good job OP, very good reading skills.
You don't have to like it, nobody is forcing, you're forcing it on yourself, the thing is, you saying it's bad isn't gonna make it bad. Only thing that changes is an adition of one more thread on mmorpg.com forums that lists features of mmorpgs as bad design and features that WoW lacks as only features worth having.
Next please.
I agree with the OP.
To all you hamsters yelping "Level to 80 before you judge!!", you have no concept of enjoyment. You are a fanboi. Your opinion is biased towards favoring that which you dedicate yourself to.
Like a Catholic or Christian will deny evolution until they're blue in the face, it doesn't make their religion any truer. Such is the case with WoW and it's fan base: it is a poor game, and no matter how much you object, the fact will always stand.
The OP isn't telling you to quit. He's saying what he's experienced. Sod off and enjoy your broken game.
Things you cant explain to a fanboi.
PvP is not challenging, followed soon by a response about Arena being balanced when everyone and their mother knows it is not. You show them the whole list populated by Pallies and DKs they jump at the chance to show the one out of 500 players thats a Warlock. They state pvp is still hard for them and they consider themselves good pvpers, ha ha.
Raiding is easy, usually followed by a raiding is really hard you just didn't notice, soon followed by some nonsense about achivements. You tell them your guild cleared a majoraty already they show you the pie chart from wowrookie.com showing you that your just imagining the whole thing.
The game is dull and just a slog. Usually followed by some response about the game lore, after giving us all a good chuckle about that they follow with an explanation about wows in depth mini games and maybe mention Wintergrasp, double LoL there.
Then they tell us this site is biased and the "real" wow players are enjoying their life changeing experience on wow, ... when we just got back from reading the WoW pvp and raiding forums endless stream of complaints.... and are trying to figure out what planet they are on, or what they are smoking.
WoW fanbois see that the hardcore and even softcore the average players have decided the game is for kids or Easy, they hate not being taken seriously and are really just fighting for relevance with false arguements to win their PR battle.
That's not science silly, that's just you telling us we are not having fun.
