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Well I have to say 2000 gold pre level 46 is far from impossible. There are two ways I would make gold level 30+ one was Mithril farming and the other was Elemental farming. Now on average depending on server, you figure what about 5 goldish per elemental and extreme lows to high on the mithril usually 28 to much higher on weekends. Now if he does nothing but farm all week and sells on Friday/Saturday at roughly 50 gold per stack of 10 then sells some mithril and wool it's not impossible.
Now please tell me where that leaves time to actually level up? Sure if you spent 6 weeks doing nothing but farming and selling on the AH and didn't spend a dime of it, then 2000 gold is a piece of cake. But that's not what he said he did. He said he spent 6 weeks leveling up to 46 and made 2000 gold in the process. That's not quite the same thing.
Edit: I just went back and read thru again as to how he said he made the 2000 gold and it does seem plausible. He must have spent a good long time farming eggs. According to him he was selling the eggs for around a gold a piece. I don't know what's more surprising, that he actually took the time to farm 2000 eggs or that people bought all 2000 of them off the AH since I believe you only needed 5 for the winter Veil quest.
But all of this is really not important anyway and getting away from the whole point of the thread in the first place. I only responded to what Zorn had said since he did ask for my opinion on it and I tended to agree with him on that, but it really has very little to do with the original topic. I think both Zorn and Vetarnias need to take a deep breath, agree to disagree and let it go now. It's going nowhere fast and not winning either of them any points anymore.
Now please tell me where that leaves time to actually level up? Sure if you spent 6 weeks doing nothing but farming and selling on the AH and didn't spent a dime of it, then 2000 gold is a piece of cake. But that's not what he said he did. He said he spent 6 weeks leveling up to 46 and made 2000 gold in the process. That's not quite the same thing.
Well assuming your saving your gold and not AH buying EQ you can farm linen and wool and low level ore while you level to about 20+ You can start on Mithril after youve trained up the mining to do it you can gather mithril by doing the 20+ quests in Stonetalon since its one of a few places to gather Mithril ore that low level. You can then start on the STV quests which leads you to ...............drumbeat, more mithril deposits, do this while getting ganked and doing the kill the stupid critter quests over there, in a few levels you can hit the Elementals in STV and kill them til your hearts content. Then theres another mithril area in Arathi Highlands near the pirates quests. And on your way back to town,..... you kill the elementals. Also spending a few hours a day or so after leveling to farm will do wonders for your gold intake.
It takes 6 weeks if you suck.
Quck edit: the STV elementals have a better drop rate, theres just more of them.
Now please tell me where that leaves time to actually level up? Sure if you spent 6 weeks doing nothing but farming and selling on the AH and didn't spent a dime of it, then 2000 gold is a piece of cake. But that's not what he said he did. He said he spent 6 weeks leveling up to 46 and made 2000 gold in the process. That's not quite the same thing.
Well assuming your saving your gold and not AH buying EQ you can farm linen and wool and low level ore while you level to about 20+ You can start on Mithril after youve trained up the mining to do it you can gather mithril by doing the 20+ quests in Stonetalon since its one of a few places to gather Mithril ore that low level. You can then start on the STV quests which leads you to ...............drumbeat, more mithril deposits, do this while getting ganked and doing the kill the stupid critter quests over there, in a few levels you can hit the Elementals in STV and kill them til your hearts content. Then theres another mithril area in Arathi Highlands near the pirates quests. And on your way back to town,..... you kill the elementals. Also spending a few hours a day or so after leveling to farm will do wonders for your gold intake.
It takes 6 weeks if you suck.
Quck edit: the STV elementals have a better drop rate, theres just more of them.
Look, I'm not denying it can be done, what I'm saying is that someone who's brand new to the game doesn't have the knowledge to do it. The average person just starting out barely brings in enough gold by just questing and selling stuff on the AH to cover the cost of purchasing all your skills and buying a riding mount. They don't know what to farm or how much they should sell it for on the AH. Without getting someone to tell you exactly how to do it, you wouldn't know. Someone who's played the game for a while would know, but someone who's played for 6 weeks wouldn't. Certainly they could find out how to make that much gold and do it, but typically that's not what someone does when first playing a game. They are just learning how to play and having fun, not farming for mats. Typically doing things like farming for mats only happens after you have a reason to need some gold. Why would someone even need 2000 gold in the first place?
So to get back to the point, it's a little odd that someone would have 2000 gold to donate to someone else after having spent only 6 weeks playing the game. If you disagree that's fine. We agree to disagree.
By the way, "spending a few hours a day after leveling to farm" is also one the best possible ways to avoid having any fun in the game whatsoever. If I would have done this I would have hated the game after 6 weeks too. Why would anyone inflict that kind of torture on themselves? You want 2000 gold? Just wait till you hit max level and continue to do quests just like you did when you were leveling up. Once you hit max level instead of getting XP you get gold instead. In 6 weeks of questing (far more fun than farming for mats) you'll have enough gold for your Epic flying mount.
Now please tell me where that leaves time to actually level up? Sure if you spent 6 weeks doing nothing but farming and selling on the AH and didn't spent a dime of it, then 2000 gold is a piece of cake. But that's not what he said he did. He said he spent 6 weeks leveling up to 46 and made 2000 gold in the process. That's not quite the same thing.
Well assuming your saving your gold and not AH buying EQ you can farm linen and wool and low level ore while you level to about 20+ You can start on Mithril after youve trained up the mining to do it you can gather mithril by doing the 20+ quests in Stonetalon since its one of a few places to gather Mithril ore that low level. You can then start on the STV quests which leads you to ...............drumbeat, more mithril deposits, do this while getting ganked and doing the kill the stupid critter quests over there, in a few levels you can hit the Elementals in STV and kill them til your hearts content. Then theres another mithril area in Arathi Highlands near the pirates quests. And on your way back to town,..... you kill the elementals. Also spending a few hours a day or so after leveling to farm will do wonders for your gold intake.
It takes 6 weeks if you suck.
Quck edit: the STV elementals have a better drop rate, theres just more of them.
Look, I'm not denying it can be done, what I'm saying is that someone who's brand new to the game doesn't have the knowledge to do it. The average person just starting out barely brings in enough gold by just questing and selling stuff on the AH to cover the cost of purchasing all your skills and buying a riding mount. They don't know what to farm or how much they should sell it for on the AH. Without getting someone to tell you exactly how to do it, you wouldn't know. Someone who's played the game for a while would know, but someone who's played for 6 weeks wouldn't. Certainly they could find out how to make that much gold and do it, but typically that's not what someone does when first playing a game. They are just learning how to play and having fun, not farming for mats. Typically doing things like farming for mats only happens after you have a reason to need some gold. Why would someone even need 2000 gold in the first place?
So to get back to the point, it's a little odd that someone would have 2000 gold to donate to someone else after having spent only 6 weeks playing the game. If you disagree that's fine. We agree to disagree.
By the way, "spending a few hours a day after leveling to farm" is also one the best possible ways to avoid having any fun in the game whatsoever. If I would have done this I would have hated the game after 6 weeks too. Why would anyone inflict that kind of torture on themselves? You want 2000 gold? Just wait till you hit max level and continue to do quests just like you did when you were leveling up. Once you hit max level instead of getting XP you get gold instead. In 6 weeks of questing (far more fun than farming for mats) you'll have enough gold for your Epic flying mount.
Unless you're expecting this guy to be retarded. . . It doesn't take much know-how to look at the Auction House and see "Small Eggs" selling for 5g a stack or Mithril selling for 30-40g a stack and then coming to the conclusion. . . "Hey, I got those at level 5 or farmed that at level 40. . . I bet I could make a killing"
Heck, I made 18,000g in a month farming Arrakoa Feathers/Thorium/Random Drops/Reputation Drops. It's not that hard to make money off of stuff that no one really wants to farm anymore.
Gaming is serious business.
Sorry, Arrakoa Feathers/ Thorium are items in the level 60 to level 70 branche.(end game before WotLK, now a LOT less worth).
Your about 10 levels to high on the thorium bud. You can start on Thorium at Tanaris and Ungoro.
Not when you played the game for your first 5 or 6 weeks and were a level 46 ... discovering the world.
Most players did find the 90 Gold horse at level 40 a LOT of money a year ago.
Not really.
The fact that you now have a LOT more money in the end game (lvl 70 and lvl 80 now) for doing end game dailies is a WHOLE other story.
Blizzard already said they included the daily quests to counter the gold sellers, but that is in the first place in the end game daily quests. Of course leveling an alt helps you now because of that end game money. But for new players ---- there is no supporting knowledge and tools or "rich main avatars".
It's called Thottbot.
TWO friends doing for the FIRST time Wow and having A. 2000 Gold at level 46 after less than 6 weeks and B..one going to level 78 in 10 weeks WITH an epic mount - even before maxing out at 80 where the daily quests deliver ... is well .... NOT common
Let me get this right, you think the average player waits till 80 to get an Epic mount?
heh LoL.
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The same applies for the general statements the OP made in Raiding (at level 46?), for general PvP (absence of AV, EoS, Strand and Lake Wintergrasp as ALL other daily PvP quests AND Arena), all that makes for ...
... a mountain climber that only climbed the Everest in its first 800 meters ...
... and likes to post his opinion about mount Everest in a forum with amateurs of this mountain....
Whats that got to do with ANYTHING? Were talking about some EZ mode mounts and 2000 gold.
That's asking for a lot of questions and remarks about the statements being made. And the support for the 800 meter climber is staggering from the same people who ALWAYS like to "complain" in the Wow forums.
Asking questions about why such general statements "Wow is unethical" - that can only be judged by climbing the FULL mountain are so important to a man for ... a game - is evident.
WTF are you talking about? Could you condense your gibberish into something that makes sense?
You lost me at the staggering power of mountain climbing and the true test of a man, possibly something about a goat.
Well thank you for that pointless wall. The more you talk the less I think you really know.
Your not winning anyone over most players can agree 2000 gold in wow is nothing.
Epic FLYING mount. Yes they will most likely be 80 now because most people will not have 5000 g before they hit 80 unless of course they are given 2000 g by a buddy which is what happened here. Yes, that's NOT common. I know several people that have been playing this game from day 1 who do not have an Epic Flying mount yet. I'm one of them.
Now please tell me where that leaves time to actually level up? Sure if you spent 6 weeks doing nothing but farming and selling on the AH and didn't spent a dime of it, then 2000 gold is a piece of cake. But that's not what he said he did. He said he spent 6 weeks leveling up to 46 and made 2000 gold in the process. That's not quite the same thing.
Well assuming your saving your gold and not AH buying EQ you can farm linen and wool and low level ore while you level to about 20+ You can start on Mithril after youve trained up the mining to do it you can gather mithril by doing the 20+ quests in Stonetalon since its one of a few places to gather Mithril ore that low level. You can then start on the STV quests which leads you to ...............drumbeat, more mithril deposits, do this while getting ganked and doing the kill the stupid critter quests over there, in a few levels you can hit the Elementals in STV and kill them til your hearts content. Then theres another mithril area in Arathi Highlands near the pirates quests. And on your way back to town,..... you kill the elementals. Also spending a few hours a day or so after leveling to farm will do wonders for your gold intake.
It takes 6 weeks if you suck.
Quck edit: the STV elementals have a better drop rate, theres just more of them.
Look, I'm not denying it can be done, what I'm saying is that someone who's brand new to the game doesn't have the knowledge to do it. The average person just starting out barely brings in enough gold by just questing and selling stuff on the AH to cover the cost of purchasing all your skills and buying a riding mount. They don't know what to farm or how much they should sell it for on the AH. Without getting someone to tell you exactly how to do it, you wouldn't know. Someone who's played the game for a while would know, but someone who's played for 6 weeks wouldn't. Certainly they could find out how to make that much gold and do it, but typically that's not what someone does when first playing a game. They are just learning how to play and having fun, not farming for mats. Typically doing things like farming for mats only happens after you have a reason to need some gold. Why would someone even need 2000 gold in the first place?
So to get back to the point, it's a little odd that someone would have 2000 gold to donate to someone else after having spent only 6 weeks playing the game. If you disagree that's fine. We agree to disagree.
By the way, "spending a few hours a day after leveling to farm" is also one the best possible ways to avoid having any fun in the game whatsoever. If I would have done this I would have hated the game after 6 weeks too. Why would anyone inflict that kind of torture on themselves? You want 2000 gold? Just wait till you hit max level and continue to do quests just like you did when you were leveling up. Once you hit max level instead of getting XP you get gold instead. In 6 weeks of questing (far more fun than farming for mats) you'll have enough gold for your Epic flying mount.
Unless you're expecting this guy to be retarded. . . It doesn't take much know-how to look at the Auction House and see "Small Eggs" selling for 5g a stack or Mithril selling for 30-40g a stack and then coming to the conclusion. . . "Hey, I got those at level 5 or farmed that at level 40. . . I bet I could make a killing"
Heck, I made 18,000g in a month farming Arrakoa Feathers/Thorium/Random Drops/Reputation Drops. It's not that hard to make money off of stuff that no one really wants to farm anymore.
Well that small eggs thing only happens to occur for a couple weeks a year, so he lucked into that a bit. And as for selling Mithril, at 30-40g a stack, do you realize it would take nearly 60 STACKS of Mithril to come up with 2000g. Yeah, I can pick that up in an afternoon. Not to mention that you then have to get someone to purchase those 60 STACKS off the AH.
As far as I know there's no button on the AH that says "show me the stuff that is selling for ridiculously large amounts of gold that I can obtain easily". So how exactly is someone who's just started playing the game suppose to know to look for Mithril on the AH in the first place? They wouldn't. Sure it's possible they just stumble upon it or someone mentions it, but it's not like it's just common knowledge. Until you mentioned it, I didn't know it. Sure I know that just about all profession ingredients are selling pretty good on the AH, but Mithril in particular, I didn't know. Guess that makes me a retard.
By the way, if I were going to try to make 2000g from mining right now, I'd go with Iron ore that is a lot easier to come by then Mithril ore is and is selling for around 20-25g a stack.
Now please tell me where that leaves time to actually level up? Sure if you spent 6 weeks doing nothing but farming and selling on the AH and didn't spent a dime of it, then 2000 gold is a piece of cake. But that's not what he said he did. He said he spent 6 weeks leveling up to 46 and made 2000 gold in the process. That's not quite the same thing.
Well assuming your saving your gold and not AH buying EQ you can farm linen and wool and low level ore while you level to about 20+ You can start on Mithril after youve trained up the mining to do it you can gather mithril by doing the 20+ quests in Stonetalon since its one of a few places to gather Mithril ore that low level. You can then start on the STV quests which leads you to ...............drumbeat, more mithril deposits, do this while getting ganked and doing the kill the stupid critter quests over there, in a few levels you can hit the Elementals in STV and kill them til your hearts content. Then theres another mithril area in Arathi Highlands near the pirates quests. And on your way back to town,..... you kill the elementals. Also spending a few hours a day or so after leveling to farm will do wonders for your gold intake.
It takes 6 weeks if you suck.
Quck edit: the STV elementals have a better drop rate, theres just more of them.
Look, I'm not denying it can be done, what I'm saying is that someone who's brand new to the game doesn't have the knowledge to do it. The average person just starting out barely brings in enough gold by just questing and selling stuff on the AH to cover the cost of purchasing all your skills and buying a riding mount. They don't know what to farm or how much they should sell it for on the AH. Without getting someone to tell you exactly how to do it, you wouldn't know. Someone who's played the game for a while would know, but someone who's played for 6 weeks wouldn't. Certainly they could find out how to make that much gold and do it, but typically that's not what someone does when first playing a game. They are just learning how to play and having fun, not farming for mats. Typically doing things like farming for mats only happens after you have a reason to need some gold. Why would someone even need 2000 gold in the first place?
So to get back to the point, it's a little odd that someone would have 2000 gold to donate to someone else after having spent only 6 weeks playing the game. If you disagree that's fine. We agree to disagree.
By the way, "spending a few hours a day after leveling to farm" is also one the best possible ways to avoid having any fun in the game whatsoever. If I would have done this I would have hated the game after 6 weeks too. Why would anyone inflict that kind of torture on themselves? You want 2000 gold? Just wait till you hit max level and continue to do quests just like you did when you were leveling up. Once you hit max level instead of getting XP you get gold instead. In 6 weeks of questing (far more fun than farming for mats) you'll have enough gold for your Epic flying mount.
Unless you're expecting this guy to be retarded. . . It doesn't take much know-how to look at the Auction House and see "Small Eggs" selling for 5g a stack or Mithril selling for 30-40g a stack and then coming to the conclusion. . . "Hey, I got those at level 5 or farmed that at level 40. . . I bet I could make a killing"
Heck, I made 18,000g in a month farming Arrakoa Feathers/Thorium/Random Drops/Reputation Drops. It's not that hard to make money off of stuff that no one really wants to farm anymore.
Well that small eggs thing only happens to occur for a couple weeks a year, so he lucked into that a bit. And as for selling Mithril, at 30-40g a stack, do you realize it would take nearly 60 STACKS of Mithril to come up with 2000g. Yeah, I can pick that up in an afternoon. Not to mention that you then have to get someone to purchase those 60 STACKS off the AH.
As far as I know there's no button on the AH that says "show me the stuff that is selling for ridiculously large amounts of gold that I can obtain easily". So how exactly is someone who's just started playing the game suppose to know to look for Mithril on the AH in the first place? They wouldn't. Sure it's possible they just stumble upon it or someone mentions it, but it's not like it's just common knowledge. Until you mentioned it, I didn't know it. Sure I know that just about all profession ingredients are selling pretty good on the AH, but Mithril in particular, I didn't know. Guess that makes me a retard.
By the way, if I were going to try to make 2000g from mining right now, I'd go with Iron ore that is a lot easier to come by then Mithril ore is and is selling for around 20-25g a stack.
Well to your credit it's easier to play the market when other people don't want to do the grinding involved in resource farming. Mining Iron is fine I guess but I was an Engineer and or Blacksmith on a few of my toons and had to make it worth my time, and if you rush the skills you can make at level items if you can farm it at that level bracket. So for me it worked.
Playing the AH is not exactly brain surgery, I mean if you get undercut just undercut the undercut. Know what market value is buy out the big undercutters and sell at average price. A few of my guildmates did the same thing with Leatherworking you can make a bit of gold just farming the leathers in Thousand Needles and playing the market. I have a tailor ( my priest ) and between selling cloth in bulk and the better pre 60 blues later on you can get from faction, and or dungeons made decent gold.
And Ive sold that much Mihtril but it's not a case where you just guess a price and hope for the best. You sell too much at once in bulk and log, chances are your gonna get undercut, so a little more wisdom is needed tthere to be prosperous. Then again anyone making decent money on AH knows this already.
Also it helps to diversify if your hording mats say Mithril or Leather Felcloth or whatnot, in general I sell about 6 stacks a day, and about 15 or so odd stacks of whatever elemental or whatnot I'm farming that day.
But to give the guy credit, lets assume he is not a moron, knows what thottbot is and did his homework first. Then lets assume hes got map mods and tracks where the resources are, I won't say it't not possible for a new player to pull it off.
While that doesn't sound like brain surgery, it's not simply a matter of pushing the "I win" button either. Maybe you're right and I'm not giving the average player enough credit. Maybe everyone spends an hour or two a day farming mats and playing the market while leveling their toon up to level 46. Maybe all the lvl 46's are walking around with 2000g. But then if that's the case why is anyone complaining about twinks? I mean if you got 2000g to spend on equipment on the AH, you could easily outfit a twink yourself with that kind of dough. And why is anyone complaining about having to buy pots off the AH for raid runs, I mean it would take you a hell of a long time to burn through 2000g on pots. And repairs? Come on you have 2000g you can afford 20g in repairs. And why are people moaning about the fact that the economy is screwed when everyone is running around with 2000g? What else are you gonna spend the money on? And how in the world do the gold sellers make a profit when obviously no one needs any extra gold for anything. Something just doesn't add up.
While that doesn't sound like brain surgery, it's not simply a matter of pushing the "I win" button either. Maybe you're right and I'm not giving the average player enough credit. Maybe everyone spends an hour or two a day farming mats and playing the market while leveling their toon up to level 46. Maybe all the lvl 46's are walking around with 2000g. But then if that's the case why is anyone complaining about twinks? I mean if you got 2000g to spend on equipment on the AH, you could easily outfit a twink yourself with that kind of dough. And why is anyone complaining about having to buy pots off the AH for raid runs, I mean it would take you a hell of a long time to burn through 2000g on pots. And repairs? Come on you have 2000g you can afford 20g in repairs. And why are people moaning about the fact that the economy is screwed when everyone is running around with 2000g? What else are you gonna spend the money on? And how in the world do the gold sellers make a profit when obviously no one needs any extra gold for anything. Something just doesn't add up.
Well the economy is a little over the top, but compared to some Asian Grinders it's actually one of WoWs strongpoints. Some servers vary and you can take advantage of it by selling the overpriced items yourself. As for Chinese Gold sellers I could care less about someone lazy enough to resort to that, Thats like telling me leveling is easy if you buy a premade character. I know alot of players are tards and I can't speak for them, I know I need inept/lazy players to buy my goods, I can speak for me and my guild and other people I know and that making decent gold is just not that big a deal.
I mean this is just a case of you or anyone else believing that because you never do it or don't believe it's possible, does not mean other people don't do it every day. Your twink example is a good one, not every twink I know has a higher level alt, at least not all on the same server. They just know what they are doing, are patient and get it done. Alot of twinks spend way more than 2000 gold.
The reason people moan or use Chinese gold sellers is simply that they are Bad, or perhaps just lazy. Again I'm giving the OP more credit than that. And if you just have extra gold and cant manage to spend it all, then many just buy armor for the next BG bracket or whatnot, maybe save up for mounts. Maybe that sounds odd to you but I did it quite a bit, I just never considered it a big deal.
Also the player your using as an example might be new, but lets just say maybe he has more brain power or is less lazy than average, at this point theres no way to tell if hes average or not right? Also most people who use gold sellers are far from average, I'd say they fall into the inept catagory.
Now please tell me where that leaves time to actually level up? Sure if you spent 6 weeks doing nothing but farming and selling on the AH and didn't spent a dime of it, then 2000 gold is a piece of cake. But that's not what he said he did. He said he spent 6 weeks leveling up to 46 and made 2000 gold in the process. That's not quite the same thing.
Well assuming your saving your gold and not AH buying EQ you can farm linen and wool and low level ore while you level to about 20+ You can start on Mithril after youve trained up the mining to do it you can gather mithril by doing the 20+ quests in Stonetalon since its one of a few places to gather Mithril ore that low level. You can then start on the STV quests which leads you to ...............drumbeat, more mithril deposits, do this while getting ganked and doing the kill the stupid critter quests over there, in a few levels you can hit the Elementals in STV and kill them til your hearts content. Then theres another mithril area in Arathi Highlands near the pirates quests. And on your way back to town,..... you kill the elementals. Also spending a few hours a day or so after leveling to farm will do wonders for your gold intake.
It takes 6 weeks if you suck.
Quck edit: the STV elementals have a better drop rate, theres just more of them.
Look, I'm not denying it can be done, what I'm saying is that someone who's brand new to the game doesn't have the knowledge to do it. The average person just starting out barely brings in enough gold by just questing and selling stuff on the AH to cover the cost of purchasing all your skills and buying a riding mount. They don't know what to farm or how much they should sell it for on the AH. Without getting someone to tell you exactly how to do it, you wouldn't know. Someone who's played the game for a while would know, but someone who's played for 6 weeks wouldn't. Certainly they could find out how to make that much gold and do it, but typically that's not what someone does when first playing a game. They are just learning how to play and having fun, not farming for mats. Typically doing things like farming for mats only happens after you have a reason to need some gold. Why would someone even need 2000 gold in the first place?
So to get back to the point, it's a little odd that someone would have 2000 gold to donate to someone else after having spent only 6 weeks playing the game. If you disagree that's fine. We agree to disagree.
By the way, "spending a few hours a day after leveling to farm" is also one the best possible ways to avoid having any fun in the game whatsoever. If I would have done this I would have hated the game after 6 weeks too. Why would anyone inflict that kind of torture on themselves? You want 2000 gold? Just wait till you hit max level and continue to do quests just like you did when you were leveling up. Once you hit max level instead of getting XP you get gold instead. In 6 weeks of questing (far more fun than farming for mats) you'll have enough gold for your Epic flying mount.
Unless you're expecting this guy to be retarded. . . It doesn't take much know-how to look at the Auction House and see "Small Eggs" selling for 5g a stack or Mithril selling for 30-40g a stack and then coming to the conclusion. . . "Hey, I got those at level 5 or farmed that at level 40. . . I bet I could make a killing"
Heck, I made 18,000g in a month farming Arrakoa Feathers/Thorium/Random Drops/Reputation Drops. It's not that hard to make money off of stuff that no one really wants to farm anymore.
Well that small eggs thing only happens to occur for a couple weeks a year, so he lucked into that a bit. And I will tell you how I "lucked" into that. I myself would have been too lazy to harvest these small eggs to make the gingerbread cookies, so I checked the auction house to buy small eggs and saw the prices at which they were sold. I just made two plus two and decided I should get into that. And as for selling Mithril, at 30-40g a stack, do you realize it would take nearly 60 STACKS of Mithril to come up with 2000g. Yeah, I can pick that up in an afternoon. Not to mention that you then have to get someone to purchase those 60 STACKS off the AH. I know about mithril too, as well as about that place in Stonetalon, Charred Vale, whatever it's called, which also has one or two iron nodes, if I remember. However, as I am a blacksmith as well as a miner, I needed any mithril I mined for personal use while levelling up my smithing, even if that meant wasting them making spurs nobody would buy anyway (yes, I know about the mithril spur shortcut as well). And at one point, I even had to buy mithril bars off the AH to complete those armorsmithing quests, as I was too tired of running around for nodes.
As far as I know there's no button on the AH that says "show me the stuff that is selling for ridiculously large amounts of gold that I can obtain easily". So how exactly is someone who's just started playing the game suppose to know to look for Mithril on the AH in the first place? They wouldn't. Sure it's possible they just stumble upon it or someone mentions it, but it's not like it's just common knowledge. Until you mentioned it, I didn't know it. Sure I know that just about all profession ingredients are selling pretty good on the AH, but Mithril in particular, I didn't know. Guess that makes me a retard. There's an assumption you're making here which I think explains a lot of the confusion, not that I'm a "retard", but that you equate my admittedly short time in WoW with an inability to understand its economics or to identify moneymaking opportunities. But all those other games I played, even though the business patterns are different, would provide any WoW neophyte with a general intuition as to what makes money and what does not, with some reading on the side to confirm it. In the case of WoW, it's the case of raw materials over finished products, unless we are talking about consumables (assuming there is enough demand for them, which I did not look into). Everybody is so concerned over levelling skills that a fair amount of raw materials (such as mithril) is bound to get sold. I even know someone who picked both mining and skinning for that purpose -- he read about it.
But that's all there is to it: Pirates of the Burning Sea had an intricate economic system based around shipbuilding (before closed-guild production ruined it), and I learned from it. Conan's was practically useless, and Warhammer's probably even worse (as I saw its AH interface only once, between two crashes to desktop). In Puzzle Pirates, I was a successful ironmonger (and a middling distiller and failed shipwright, if you want to know), so I knew about supply and demand. And I'd also add into the mix some single-player games I've played, such as Patrician II and Port Royale, where the economy (with automated supply and demand) was one of the main elements of the game -- if not the most important.
So, I knew how such systems worked long before I picked up WoW. All that I needed to discover for myself were the particulars of World of Warcraft.
By the way, if I were going to try to make 2000g from mining right now, I'd go with Iron ore that is a lot easier to come by then Mithril ore is and is selling for around 20-25g a stack.
I'll also take this opportunity to answer your next post about twinks. I don't want a twink. I would not have had the energy to start and level a new character (even if only up to 19), but even if I had, I think that the twink business is a travesty which penalizes genuine new players trying to level up, on the auctionhouse by depriving them of the best goods at affordable prices, and in battlegrounds because of the statistical advantage. So I would never want to use one myself.
this stupid thread has been repopping everyday and its pointless. let it die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, Arrakoa Feathers/ Thorium are items in the level 60 to level 70 branche.(end game before WotLK, now a LOT less worth).
Your about 10 levels to high on the thorium bud. You can start on Thorium at Tanaris and Ungoro.
Not when you played the game for your first 5 or 6 weeks and were a level 46 ... discovering the world.
Most players did find the 90 Gold horse at level 40 a LOT of money a year ago.
Not really.
The fact that you now have a LOT more money in the end game (lvl 70 and lvl 80 now) for doing end game dailies is a WHOLE other story.
Blizzard already said they included the daily quests to counter the gold sellers, but that is in the first place in the end game daily quests. Of course leveling an alt helps you now because of that end game money. But for new players ---- there is no supporting knowledge and tools or "rich main avatars".
It's called Thottbot.
TWO friends doing for the FIRST time Wow and having A. 2000 Gold at level 46 after less than 6 weeks and B..one going to level 78 in 10 weeks WITH an epic mount - even before maxing out at 80 where the daily quests deliver ... is well .... NOT common
Let me get this right, you think the average player waits till 80 to get an Epic mount?
heh LoL.
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The same applies for the general statements the OP made in Raiding (at level 46?), for general PvP (absence of AV, EoS, Strand and Lake Wintergrasp as ALL other daily PvP quests AND Arena), all that makes for ...
... a mountain climber that only climbed the Everest in its first 800 meters ...
... and likes to post his opinion about mount Everest in a forum with amateurs of this mountain....
Whats that got to do with ANYTHING? Were talking about some EZ mode mounts and 2000 gold.
That's asking for a lot of questions and remarks about the statements being made. And the support for the 800 meter climber is staggering from the same people who ALWAYS like to "complain" in the Wow forums.
Asking questions about why such general statements "Wow is unethical" - that can only be judged by climbing the FULL mountain are so important to a man for ... a game - is evident.
WTF are you talking about? Could you condense your gibberish into something that makes sense?
You lost me at the staggering power of mountain climbing and the true test of a man, possibly something about a goat.
Well thank you for that pointless wall. The more you talk the less I think you really know.
Indeed the NEW player of Wow, that got from 1 to 77 ( certainly in 10 weeks or less) will buy the normal flying mount first. The moment he will start saving money on the daily quests, he'll think about epic flyers.
Like being exalted with some factions is a good motivation to have a price reduction at max level on those epic ones.
The thorium doesn't drop on lvl 46 territorium either. As a matter of fact, I did mine thorium. I was killed very often in the process, true, but I did mine it. If you don't believe me, as I've said before, check my mining and blacksmithing levels on the Armory. Also, see the thorium belt I'm wearing? Made it myself with the thorium I've mined. The radioactivity has probably made my character infertile in the meantime. It was the discussion of having 2000 Gold at level 46. A ridiculous amount not even needed at that level (and obtained after 5/6 weeks for a new player) Of course it's not needed at that level, but I was planning ahead anyway (even though I tired of it before long) because I knew of the upcoming grind for money. This and your earlier comments about thorium being unavailable to a level 46 just confirm my allegations about the insane level ramp in World of Warcraft.
The more you post, the more you have to accept I own every single element in this discussion. Certainly concerning WotLK, because even the basic boss fights and alternatives weren't known by you as was evident in the other Wow hate posts you just keep spawning.
Also, just proof that you're not really interested in reading anything I might say, I did explain to you the three occasions where I used the word "raid", "raider", or "raiding". One was in someone else's quote. The second was about spam in cities which specifically mentioned raids like "Naxx". The third described someone in a dungeon instance I was going through at the time -- and in fact the word "dungeon" was clearly mentioned in the same sentence. But anyway, might as well have typed blah blah blah blah blah.
You seem to make a lot out of "WoW is unethical", which was Jonathan Blow's position but with which I agree. Don't take it personally; if anything, you're a victim of WoW's "unethical" state. Blizzard isn't concerned over anything more than the $15 (United States Dollars) you're paying each month. They don't deserve an impassioned defense from you, nor do they need it; as you like to say it, they have their 11.5 million subscribers, and it's all that matters to them.
And if I may say, I'm a bit concerned about your use of religious terminology of late. That use of the word "grail" when referring to WoW, for instance, or your new signature with the words "Holy Light". Until the wiseguys at the Church of Scientology hit on the dubious idea of making a Battlefield Earth Online, please let's leave religion out of it.
Epic FLYING mount. Yes they will most likely be 80 now because most people will not have 5000 g before they hit 80 unless of course they are given 2000 g by a buddy which is what happened here. Yes, that's NOT common. I know several people that have been playing this game from day 1 who do not have an Epic Flying mount yet. I'm one of them.
I can't speak for everyone but I played during the original game with no expansions and by level 60 I had 2000 gold. I really don't see how people have a tough time getting gold unless something has changed since the original game. You would have to tell me I didn't continue into the expansions.
What I did to make money while level is keep EVERYTHING I looted that wasn't grey and sell it on the AH. Also while at the AH I would browse for items that I soon realized would sell more than posted for on the AH and buy them and resell them. Really easy to do, but again I can't say how hard it is in the expansions to make gold now, this was from the original game.
If you raid and PvP alot you make no money - those two activities cost you money (enchants, repairs, consumables etc).
If you play the game doing mostly 5 mans with friends you earn alot of money.
When I raided Naxx back in vanilla I could burn 100G on repairs alone in one evening plus using consumables like you breath air. It was sick in terms of money spend. It is much better now but the same story holds - single player/ co-op player and 5-man player activities net you an income. Raid and PvP and it costs you money. Hence the different perspectives on the WoW economy and how easy gold is to get.
Now please tell me where that leaves time to actually level up? Sure if you spent 6 weeks doing nothing but farming and selling on the AH and didn't spent a dime of it, then 2000 gold is a piece of cake. But that's not what he said he did. He said he spent 6 weeks leveling up to 46 and made 2000 gold in the process. That's not quite the same thing.
Well assuming your saving your gold and not AH buying EQ you can farm linen and wool and low level ore while you level to about 20+ You can start on Mithril after youve trained up the mining to do it you can gather mithril by doing the 20+ quests in Stonetalon since its one of a few places to gather Mithril ore that low level. You can then start on the STV quests which leads you to ...............drumbeat, more mithril deposits, do this while getting ganked and doing the kill the stupid critter quests over there, in a few levels you can hit the Elementals in STV and kill them til your hearts content. Then theres another mithril area in Arathi Highlands near the pirates quests. And on your way back to town,..... you kill the elementals. Also spending a few hours a day or so after leveling to farm will do wonders for your gold intake.
It takes 6 weeks if you suck.
Quck edit: the STV elementals have a better drop rate, theres just more of them.
Look, I'm not denying it can be done, what I'm saying is that someone who's brand new to the game doesn't have the knowledge to do it. The average person just starting out barely brings in enough gold by just questing and selling stuff on the AH to cover the cost of purchasing all your skills and buying a riding mount. They don't know what to farm or how much they should sell it for on the AH. Without getting someone to tell you exactly how to do it, you wouldn't know. Someone who's played the game for a while would know, but someone who's played for 6 weeks wouldn't. Certainly they could find out how to make that much gold and do it, but typically that's not what someone does when first playing a game. They are just learning how to play and having fun, not farming for mats. Typically doing things like farming for mats only happens after you have a reason to need some gold. Why would someone even need 2000 gold in the first place?
So to get back to the point, it's a little odd that someone would have 2000 gold to donate to someone else after having spent only 6 weeks playing the game. If you disagree that's fine. We agree to disagree.
By the way, "spending a few hours a day after leveling to farm" is also one the best possible ways to avoid having any fun in the game whatsoever. If I would have done this I would have hated the game after 6 weeks too. Why would anyone inflict that kind of torture on themselves? You want 2000 gold? Just wait till you hit max level and continue to do quests just like you did when you were leveling up. Once you hit max level instead of getting XP you get gold instead. In 6 weeks of questing (far more fun than farming for mats) you'll have enough gold for your Epic flying mount.
Unless you're expecting this guy to be retarded. . . It doesn't take much know-how to look at the Auction House and see "Small Eggs" selling for 5g a stack or Mithril selling for 30-40g a stack and then coming to the conclusion. . . "Hey, I got those at level 5 or farmed that at level 40. . . I bet I could make a killing"
Heck, I made 18,000g in a month farming Arrakoa Feathers/Thorium/Random Drops/Reputation Drops. It's not that hard to make money off of stuff that no one really wants to farm anymore.
Well that small eggs thing only happens to occur for a couple weeks a year, so he lucked into that a bit. And as for selling Mithril, at 30-40g a stack, do you realize it would take nearly 60 STACKS of Mithril to come up with 2000g. Yeah, I can pick that up in an afternoon. Not to mention that you then have to get someone to purchase those 60 STACKS off the AH.
As far as I know there's no button on the AH that says "show me the stuff that is selling for ridiculously large amounts of gold that I can obtain easily". So how exactly is someone who's just started playing the game suppose to know to look for Mithril on the AH in the first place? They wouldn't. Sure it's possible they just stumble upon it or someone mentions it, but it's not like it's just common knowledge. Until you mentioned it, I didn't know it. Sure I know that just about all profession ingredients are selling pretty good on the AH, but Mithril in particular, I didn't know. Guess that makes me a retard.
By the way, if I were going to try to make 2000g from mining right now, I'd go with Iron ore that is a lot easier to come by then Mithril ore is and is selling for around 20-25g a stack.
Well to your credit it's easier to play the market when other people don't want to do the grinding involved in resource farming. Mining Iron is fine I guess but I was an Engineer and or Blacksmith on a few of my toons and had to make it worth my time, and if you rush the skills you can make at level items if you can farm it at that level bracket. So for me it worked.
Playing the AH is not exactly brain surgery, I mean if you get undercut just undercut the undercut. Know what market value is buy out the big undercutters and sell at average price. A few of my guildmates did the same thing with Leatherworking you can make a bit of gold just farming the leathers in Thousand Needles and playing the market. I have a tailor ( my priest ) and between selling cloth in bulk and the better pre 60 blues later on you can get from faction, and or dungeons made decent gold.
And Ive sold that much Mihtril but it's not a case where you just guess a price and hope for the best. You sell too much at once in bulk and log, chances are your gonna get undercut, so a little more wisdom is needed tthere to be prosperous. Then again anyone making decent money on AH knows this already.
Also it helps to diversify if your hording mats say Mithril or Leather Felcloth or whatnot, in general I sell about 6 stacks a day, and about 15 or so odd stacks of whatever elemental or whatnot I'm farming that day.
But to give the guy credit, lets assume he is not a moron, knows what thottbot is and did his homework first. Then lets assume hes got map mods and tracks where the resources are, I won't say it't not possible for a new player to pull it off.
Oh, and for the record, while I am aware of the Thottbot website (and its useful databases, though I preferred the wiki), I never installed the plug-in, because I didn't know if that was legitimate or okay under Blizzard's terms. I tend to avoid using plug-ins in any game I play.
But yeah, I found WoW's economy both easy and broken.
I was going to post on this thred last night, but im a lazy person.
Vetarnias, I know how you feel. World of Warcraft has killed 2 birds with one stone. It made and killed the MMO industry.
I could babble on pages and pages about my WoW experiences and my previous MMO's like Earth and Beyond and other long dated games to prove my 'Worth' to the masses, but I wont. MMO's this year and the next will continue to grow. Xbox and PS3 are dipping their toes into the pool of (pardon my french) shit that is MMO. Why is it a pool of shit? Becasue dear people of MMORPG, todays MMO players are nasty, loudmouthed, unpolite, greedy sob's that care more about their needs and greed then community and working together. ( OK 90% of the mmo population) With the consol players inbound (Im also a consol gamer) it will eather make or brake this industry. Im praying MMO's will change but I doubt it. Things are FAR to competetive and its no longer about fun or playing together with your friends, but rather 'Achevments' and proving your better then others though your gear or some status you have.
(Wont edit the bad grammer, as I said im very lazzy)
R.I.P MMO
Gaming as a whole needs a total re-think. Bring back games like Shadow of the Beast or Rainbow Island. FUN games o/ (Which I might add took a great deal more of skill then pressing key 1-2-3-4-5 on a rotation)
Shadow of the Beast was a kickass game on the old Amiga
Quite hard too as you only had 1 life and iirc only survived 12 hits.
Why is this still alive though? It's just full of semitrolling and insults being thrown around now.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
My problems with WoW and why I don't play are...
1. Everyones the same
2. Its too easy
3. World PVP sucks
4. The old world is completly dead, not very fun and you find yourself having to grind 80 levels to play with your friends.
Epic FLYING mount. Yes they will most likely be 80 now because most people will not have 5000 g before they hit 80 unless of course they are given 2000 g by a buddy which is what happened here. Yes, that's NOT common. I know several people that have been playing this game from day 1 who do not have an Epic Flying mount yet. I'm one of them.
I can't speak for everyone but I played during the original game with no expansions and by level 60 I had 2000 gold. I really don't see how people have a tough time getting gold unless something has changed since the original game. You would have to tell me I didn't continue into the expansions.
What I did to make money while level is keep EVERYTHING I looted that wasn't grey and sell it on the AH. Also while at the AH I would browse for items that I soon realized would sell more than posted for on the AH and buy them and resell them. Really easy to do, but again I can't say how hard it is in the expansions to make gold now, this was from the original game.
Let me ask you a simple question. Did you have a profession that required mats or did you pick professions that only pull in mats and sell them on the AH? Choosing 2 professions that will make you money and selling everything you farm will make you a ton of money. However choosing a profession that requires mats will eat more gold than you can possibly imagine.
Wise words OP. Sadly most people can’t achieve anything in their real life because it requires talent and hard work. In WoW they can be heroes doing the same simple repetitive things as 11 mln other people. It feeds their need to be important (sadly in a virtual meaningless place).
But if you don't treat WoW like a job, do not compete with others, just spend an hour or two per day doing solo content, it can give you the same level of fun and releax as, for example, watching TV.