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From the 3 main reasons you sum up why you didin't begin with Wow earlier .... you forgot to mention what your "lvl 78 helping first poster" friend said a few posts back....
"Vetarnias started a few weeks after me, because he .... couldn't find a copy of Wow." Explaining why you were taking a lvl 78 in your Wow bashing argument....
You know the "helping first time poster" who just started Wow from scratch (ZERO) ... and had in 2 months an epic flyer lvl 78 and still said he disliked the game...is not helping you.
----> Must be hard finding a copy of Wow in Montreal and searching for it for a month.
*Sigh* You're really picking and choosing what you want to hear, aren't you? I suggest you look at post #159 in this thread, where I clearly stated that Murdyll had tactfully avoided saying the reason why I didn't pick the game at the same time as he did, to allow me to save face. Since I know you won't bother checking that post, I'll just reprint the essential part (which was underlined there, by the way), in large letters so that you can't pretend you haven't seen it:
I was broke and could not afford to buy a copy for a month.
Happy? Is your desire to humiliate me such that it warranted such a large and prominent exhibition?
And here is a larger public-interest message I wish to convey:
I demand that Zorndorf be banned from the MMORPG forums.
This is not an attack against World of Warcraft or any other game. This is a request following some of the replies in this thread and elsewhere, which demonstrate clearly that we are no longer dealing with appropriate behaviour on his part.
I'm prepared to discuss game mechanics, features, anything, with civility, as I always did and will always do. But Zorndorf not only disregards any evidence I might bring up, distorted what might suit him, and has now launched into very personal attacks against me. This thread is the pinnacle of his tactics on these boards, now forcing me to subject myself to public humiliation just to explain a damn discrepancy of a month between the date some friends started playing WoW and my own.
Furthermore, when I mentioned it the first time, he just disregarded it as though it never happened. This man deals in ad hominem attacks and I can see no contribution coming from him on any game, whether WoW or any other MMO.
All these little things DESPITE the lengthy posts WHY there was no 50 dollars purchase in the first place and a so called "mix up with Can US dollars etc ...) show me there there were simply far MORE reasons you posted another....
This being one further example.
"Why I ve had enough from Wow...".
I guess you just pity yourself now you admitted in your OP you only played to lvl 46.
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Because THAT is the REAL issue here.
Not the Why, When, What, How, Where, but the fact you issued another WHINE thread without the gameplay evidence.
Attacking a player of the game who could see THROUGH this .... is VERY inconveniant
Why?
because I defend my game against raiders and see through their tactics?
Tactics? Do you honestly think we've got some sort of hidden agenda to bring WoW to it's knees?
We, a force of a measly 600? Then sir, if it's a war you want...
...You can sod off. I've had enough.
jesus. STFU!!!!!!! i wish you would just let this damn thread fade away or a the stupid website moderator would lock this dumb shit
That quote in blue was from Jonathan Blow, not even my own.
And I still pity you.
That quote in blue was from Jonathan Blow, not even my own.
And I still pity you.
Like I said you are making a hell of an effort to prove the state of a game you hate. You accuse me, I defend myself. Most natural thing in the world.
Even confessing you went broke "Confessing?" The hell. You kept prodding me about why I hadn't started playing at the same time as Murdyll, so I told you on three separate occasions in this thread, with you jumping right over the first two times (the second was the bullet-point post) and now you're blaming me for telling you? What am I supposed to do? Not respond to your accusations, which I'm sure would have made me as equally guilty in your eyes because I couldn't come up with an answer? Damned if I do, damned if I don't, right? just before "buying" the grail. What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
Please get a life, it is only a game you don't like.
Please get a life, it is only a game you like.
But stop the damn .... (fill in the 4 letter word yourself) and have some FUN in games instead of boxing against games.
Have a nice WoW day.
Oh, nice forum drama and lotsa QQ. Just ignore Zorn or report him if he annoys you. Happened to me quite a few times when I've been an ass, even got a few tempbans that way
Granted I was only stating my opinion but my opinion is obviously somewhat offensive to the good old americans.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
Speaking of ultimate arguments..............
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
Your English is pretty good except for 1 problem, the word quit. It's a little tough to get it right, but I'll try to explain.
The word quit is past and present tense. There is no such word quitted. If you are talking in the future tense you would say quitting.
Examples:
John says he is quitting basketball because he's not tall enough. (He hasn't yet, but he will be. Future tense)
John says "I quit!". (Present tense).
John told me he finally quit yesterday. (Past tense).
there's a big difference between defending a game, and accusing people of things they never did. maybe he's just overly paranoid but that doesn't give him an excuse for seeing things in a post that just aren't there. so far he's accused 2 different people of fraud, conspiracy (to gaming
) and of hacking wow. he has basically tried to interregate them through 17 pages to get them to confess something that is frankly none of his business in the first place.
the very least he could do now is appologise for offending these people who were doing nothing more than stating their opinions (especially to vetarnias who had to confess his poverty in not being able to afford the game in the past). although, having known people like zorndorf my whole life, he probably won't appologise for anything and will try and "forget" it ever happened.
and if we're honest, the only argument he has given to why wow is the greatest game ever is that it has the highest population of any mmo around.
I think you got the falling achivement ,on your head IRL somewhere Zorn.
Damn a few WoW fanbois outnumbered on their own forums. The 11.5 million is questionable at this point.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
there's a big difference between defending a game, and accusing people of things they never did. maybe he's just overly paranoid but that doesn't give him an excuse for seeing things in a post that just aren't there. so far he's accused 2 different people of fraud, conspiracy (to gaming
) and of hacking wow. he has basically tried to interregate them through 17 pages to get them to confess something that is frankly none of his business in the first place.
the very least he could do now is appologise for offending these people who were doing nothing more than stating their opinions (especially to vetarnias who had to confess his poverty in not being able to afford the game in the past). although, having known people like zorndorf my whole life, he probably won't appologise for anything and will try and "forget" it ever happened.
and if we're honest, the only argument he has given to why wow is the greatest game ever is that it has the highest population of any mmo around.
I didn't offend ANYBODY. Nice to know I'm not anybody, but then I was not expecting otherwise from you. You can always reread my posts. I never tackle the man. I always question the reasoning behind the things a man says.
Things DID not fit in. That was clear from the start. Anybody who plays a game for 6 weeks and then comes up with conclusions of Raiding, PvP, PVE and "giving advice to some other players about gold and long term planning" has to be taken with a BIG grain of sold.... at level 46. Are you seriously suggesting that once I started playing I did not start reading on such matters as "gold and long term planning"? Murdyll and his friends, not to mention people in the guild I joined, told me a lot themselves. The excellent wiki provided the rest. And as far as giving advice goes, aren't the costs of mounts, since I'm assuming that you are referring to that, rather well-known, even though as a paladin I got mine as a freebie (which is rather unfair to other classes, by the way)? I mean, players turning 30 even get a mail telling them that they can get a mount (with even the cost mentioned, if I recall), just in case they'd somehow miss that. (Unless of course WoW is best played wearing blinders so that you can concentrate on killing those six whatevers or gathering those twenty whocares -- in which case it's pretty much a single-player game played in parallel, as I said.)
Just reread the OP. Twice if necessary. Raiding content? I suggest you reread it as well. The raiding comment you highlighted in a previous post was from the quote by Jonathan Blow. And if you want to get into pointless details, the words "raid", "raider" or "raiding" came three times in my text: One was from the Blow quote. The second was referring to guild recruitment spam in cities -- and it's damn accurate, based on how I've seen "Naxx" and "Nexus" in particular mentioned to no end. But I suspect you're intending to nitpick on the third, where I referred to "a fellow raider" in reference to the Sentry Cloak and twinks -- as though there were any chance to get a level-19 item in level-60+ instances (I believe I once said lowbies were useless?). We were, in fact, in Gnomeregan. And I couldn't care less whether it's called a raid or a dungeon, because when I use the word "raider", I use it in a general sense, as a "dungeon raider", for lack of a better expression coming to mind. So if you want to nitpick on a point of terminology, I'm just too tired to argue with you, so there you go, your first victory. Enjoy it because it's the last one you'll get from me. And while we're on the subject, ever wondered why there aren't raids below level 60? What's the point of the first 59 levels then, if not a grind to get to an endgame that others have said is also nonexistent? Did he do that ? So I saw this and thought well well, let's ask some questions. You've been well-welling your way through these forums (and yes, other sections too) for months. When are you finally going to be held to account?
And the only things I see are very agressive answers to some very obvious questions. Not as aggressive as yours, I assure you. Just reread your very first post following my OP, and you'll see what I mean. My posts don't have this strange leitmotif surrounding the word "vomit". And if obvious questions means those below, wouldn't anyone get annoyed?
So I asked questions: Why play 50 dollars for a battlechest? In other words, you are STILL nitpicking over a difference of ten dollars, even though my initial mention of the amount was just based on memory and approximative at best -- which I'm sure anyone on these forums except you surmised. Okay, I will subscribe for a minute to your theory that only US dollars mean anything, Mr. Euro. We're still talking about ten bucks. You still haven't answered this: Why would I lie about something as insignificant as ten dollars? But since I insist that as a Canadian I am entitled to giving figures in Canadian Monopoly Money dollars because that's what I know I'm paying, I'd rather have you bickering over the munificent sum of $4.86, which is even more pathetic. And let's issue a gentle reminder here: I only produced my proof of purchase because you directly claimed that I had never paid for the game (see post #142). Why won't you repeat that accusation now? Or at least remind people that you once made that accusation? Oh, but I forget: It's not convenient anymore, and it proves The Great Zorndorfo wrong, so let's just make it vanish.... Why this general conclusion tone because you haven't played 95% of the game? Why the need of a "comrade" who played together but not really "together" It's like I just typed all these words for nothing, you just ignore them. Murdyll and others often helped me in dungeons despite the level discrepancy. But it's still one large conspiracy to you, isn't it? Why didn't he play before? So it's the same reasoning again -- but this time aimed at Murdyll as well if I understand? While we're at it, why didn't entire nomadic African tribes play the game before? Why didn't they level together IF they were playing together. I've addressed that question before. Scroll up. because the ONLY reason the lvl 78 was brought in was ... to have more credence to his arguments(?)... And why shouldn't I? We're chatting on a regular basis. He played the game even longer that I have. He saw the flaws. He read your posts about me. He wanted to comment. It seems that the only reason why he shouldn't have been allowed to post, according to you, is because he was in agreement with me. Had he been a WoW supporter, oh, fine, guy, go right ahead....
So ...the thing is ... you only read what suits you. You don't read the agressive tone the OP had against me . I was asking VERY obvious questions from aplayer's view. "What you see, yet cannot see over is as good as infinite." -Thomas Carlyle.
And why shouldn't I ask questions if there are rather odd statements for a lvl 46 player who couldn't see all the things he wrote about.
And yes a lot of the arguments still baffle me. Like the "new" player of Wow who in less than 2 months seems to have an epic flyer at lvl 78. It COULD be possible to do all this as a new player and gubble up that gold in riding lessons also, but that character presented on the armory has too much shown as an alt character. I told you already (post #159, last paragraph): In addition to whatever Murdyll himself had as money, he had two friends to help him buy the epic flying mount, myself included. I already told you how I made over 2000 Gold, all legally, and that I gave the sum to him. Seem you just jumped right over that part. How convenient.
But by all means, produce any "evidence" you might have, instead on falling back on that old "any WoW player would know" argument. Cards on the table, Zorndorf.
I have far too many Wow years behind me to not see the difference between a main first played character and an alt. I'm trying to follow your implacable logic here. I post my original comments in January, openly claiming I had left at level 46. Some posts are made, thread goes dormant for a few weeks. I stop paying attention to the WoW forums to focus on the Darkfall and PotBS sections. I come back here, see that new posts are made. I comment on them, which devolves into this entire argument. Then my friend who is level 78 comes here and posts, and now you're accusing him of being my alt?
If that summary is accurate, ask yourself this: If that is indeed the case, why didn't I state in my original post that I had levelled up to 78, thereby giving more weight to ALL my arguments, instead of falling back on a level 46 "alt" to make my points? Try to answer that one. Unless of course you're saying that the level 78 is the alt of someone else -- in which case the important words would be SOMEONE ELSE, a direct refutation of your original accusation that Murdyll was my alt. Whose alt then is a completely moot question as long as it isn't mine. And I assure you, that level 78 is Murdyll's main character and his highest in level.
Asking questions about people hating the game I love is obvious. Ah yes, "hating".
The agressive tone of answers did not come from me. Let the record stand to let readers judge for themselves.
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The usual guy defending Wow in the Wow forum is not taking this as a personal attack, but the agression of the OP against fans who ask obvious questions - because some of the lvl 46 arguments didn't seem to fit - says a LOT to me. This isn't the WoW forum, in that it has no affiliation with World of Warcraft or Actiblizzard. Furthermore, you are not a moderator here. You do not get to dictate who can and who cannot post in the WoW section of this forum. If anything, you have already stated that you distrust MMORPG for being a bastion of WoW hate, exemplified in your mind by that *utterly meaningless* internet poll about the best MMO of 2008 which LOTRO won against the wishes of 11.5 million. You have in the past accused MMORPG readers in general of being elitists, and have bickered over WoW being #21 here. I'll just say this old piece of advice: If you're not happy with the moderating on these forums that lets people critical of the game like me post here, start your own forums.
We're not the ones developing holed "theories". I paid back the one other friend I borrowed gold from, and as Vetarnias had already had enough of the game by this time, I didn't have a reason to pay back his 2000g. As you seem to think you represent EVERY WoW player, you should realise that the remaining gold I needed to raise can be easily achieved by quest grinding in Northrend, and by successful use of the Auction House (As a Leatherworker/Skinner I managed to find a fair few Arctic Furs, and also made a tidy sum by selling the LW-made boots during Winter Veil)
Also, I feel I should point out that despite it's flaws, I still found WoW to be an enjoyable game. I just have a tendency to get bored of games fairly fast, and I guess WoW didn't get it's addictive claws into me. Once again, you're seeing a conspiracy that doesn't exist. Just lighten up.
VERY well said. I totally agree with every word of this thoughtful and well written post. The maximum level I have ever reached in the game also happens to be level 46 oddly enough. This was several years ago. The endless repetition and boredom made it too painful to continue. Recently I tried again......basicly because I was mmo hopping just like the OP (lets face it all of them are a load of shit really). I got to level 28 with a Warlock and then just couldnt be bothered with the tedium again. Why did I think it would be different? lol. I guess its just because like many I have this craving to play a character in a persistent online world and yet unfortunately all of them are just braindead crap that are designed for retards.
The fact that the gameworld is COMPLETELY unchangeable by the players actions is also a massive turn off for me......but then every PvE themepark mmo is like this unfortunately. I'm currently playing wanky old Vanguard and as usual with these games I was enjoying it at first but now I have hit the same brick wall I always hit with these games. Its the utter futility of it all. There I am grinding my way through one monotonous quest after another, every one of which is basicly the same as the last one except for a different piece of text attached to it. I might have to kill mosnters or click on objects that look different but its all the bloody same all the way through. I look around at all the other players doing exactly the same stuff as me like a swarm of mindless addicted robots. No effort or thought is required at all in any of these games. Like the OP said these mmos simply require your time. It doesnt matter if you are 5 years old or 50......you will all have exactly the same experience regardless.
Also because of the way these games are designed I feel absolutely no desire to talk to any of the players for the purposes of playing the game. There is no reason to other than to have company to help stave of the boredom......and I'm just not interested in typing "L16 Warr LFG" just to get some random guy say "Yeah sure what quest you doing?" and who then turns out to be a complete wanker anyway. I generally just grind away on my own while chatting to people in the general chat channel in an attempt to persuade myself that I am having fun. I was fortunate however in this game because early in the game I encountered an interesting player who challenged me to a duel. We ended up becoming travelling companions due the amusing in-character banter we got into. This made the game more amusing for a while. However because this game (like all of them) is nothing more than a badly programmed single player game in multiplayer co-op mode with poor controls (compared to an actual single player game) that resets itself instantly once you complete a quest or kill a monster (eg npc villain dies and then 1 minute later he is back again ready for the next player to kill him again) even our amusing banter can no longer mask what is an incredibly shit game.
Sorry I'm talking about Vanguard here when the post is about WoW. However it all applies to both games as they both follow the same simple format. People go on so much about how these games have so much lore but really.......who fucking cares when its all wasted on a shit game that cant actually express that lore? Great so the devs have spent ages typing a story into a database and then feeding it to the players via quest text that they cant even interact with and can only read like a badly written online book. Where is the gameplay? Oh yeah thats right mmos dont need to have gameplay in them because they're "roleplaying" games. Sorry but I'm sure I remember playing some pretty good rpgs in the past where I could actually DO things so why is it that all the online ones happen to be complete bullshit?
Why is it that mmos have to be so static and lifeless? Why cant devs realise that porting single player games onto the internet is bollocks? Having thousands of people playing a single player game is stupid. If its online then players should have objectives that can be achieved. Instead because these single player games cant actually be effected (worlds frozen in time) we end up with players doing the only thing the game allows......level grinding. Upgrading their own avatar in other words.
Ahh well. I still hold out hope that mmos will one day actually be REAL massively multiplayer gaming environments where players actions actually matter and people actually have real choices that mean something and perhaps require a certain level of thought. Or maybe my standards are just too high and I'm just being too optimistic. Perhaps devs will always churn single player co-op online games for the addicted braindead hordes as its certainly what most people seem to expext and they are obviously a lot more simple to make. CCP seems to be the only games company that can make an mmo that actually takes advantage of the online aspect.
zorndorf, whether you meant to offend them or not, they were offended by the things you wrote. if you hurt someone in the street by accidentally knocking them over, you don't just walk on, you appologise to them. the same thing applies here.
And if I may add: I have been patient. I have answered all that Zorndorf has ever bothered to ask. But it is all falling on deaf ears, and instead he has taken to questioning my integrity as a gamer:
And after I bothered to point out what I said earlier, he not only distorted what I said but also started to look for cracks between what he had forced me to repeat and what I had said the first time (same thing with Murdyll). He also repeatedly refused to apologize where he had been proved wrong, and instead persevered in his quest to defame me in this thread by just moving on to something else.
His reasoning, in other words, has been intellectually dishonest from the beginning (though one could be tempted to drop the word "intellectual" from the phrase).
So I reiterate my earlier request:
That Zorndorf be banned for what he has posted here, and for the rest of his posting history, which I urge the MMORPG moderators to read for themselves.
As I pointed out before, this is not an attack against World of Warcraft or its players, or other posters here. It is a conclusion which I am forced to reach in regard to this particular individual. The World of Warcraft community will lose nothing from cutting loose such arrogant and vindictive bullies from their midst, and may in fact gain a much healthier debating climate amongst themselves. Let the Zorndorfs of the world find somewhere else to fan the flames of hatred against WoW -- which, unfortunately, has been his SOLE contribution to these forums.
Regardless of the technology, phasing is only an illusion. You still have no impact on the game world, there's just more special effects added to playing out the story Blizzard wants you to play out. By the end of the game, everyone's experienced the same thing.
the only way to break out of the "static" world is to do what Anet did with Guildwars, and instance everything apart from the towns and outposts. the problem with that is that in the PvE, you have to follow the campaign in order to see the parts of the game.
The problem with over-instancing, though, is that it might just turn a game into a single-player (or small group) experience. It begins to be a problem if you want to add meaningful RvR on top of it.
I'm always tempted to discuss Pirates of the Burning Sea as an example. Everything except cities and the open sea map in that game was instanced -- missions, open-sea battles, port battles. In the case of that game, instancing was brought in to solve another problem, that of a miniscule map that took 45 minutes at most to sail across.
The small map ruined other aspects of the game (such as, for instance, being a long-distance trader), and the instancing for PvP basically ensured the formation of "gank squads", groups of 6 players that would often play tricks by keeping a few of their members in the closest port, appearing to be a much smaller group than they were. Once the other side had attacked them, thinking they were two or three ships, the rest of the group would jump in the instance. (And I'll just mention in passing PotBS's very brief attempt to solve ganking by giving the defenders -- and the defenders only -- the possibility of having 9 ships to the attackers' 6; that became known as the "supergank".)
I'm just thinking of the many squandered possibilities as a result of that instancing. PotBS could have been a great game without it.
http://www.massively.com/2009/02/23/mmogology-phasing-phwns-the-phuture/
Yes but if you read the article (and had the in game experience) you know that there are NO loading screens involved and the game gets to another time dimension for those doing the quests... at the same "coordinates".
Like the man in the article said: quite an evolution. LotRO only had one instanced (loading) introduction scene at level 5. but this stuff happens in mid game and numurous times in the end game.
You "conquer" the territory on the Lich King, step by step and what used to be an enemy base is now a friendly base with even new constructed buildings and HQ etc ... (but only for the guys doing the chained adventures).
See it like point A <<<> B >>>>>< C >>>>>< D, but each point has at least two different "dimensions".
Of course it shows Blizzard is experimenting with it. And the techniques are NOT that easy (taking care of player interactions etc)...
The next patch 3.1 is already on the PTR and it involves the whole server to build a Colloseum - step by step. That colloseum in itself will be the feature on the 3.2 content patch (they say it is a place to hold tournaments for the Crusaders etc ...).
So the game is no longer static - per se -.
Exactly like, oh say... A single-player game with a co-op aspect?
http://www.massively.com/2009/02/23/mmogology-phasing-phwns-the-phuture/
Yes but if you read the article (and had the in game experience) you know that there are NO loading screens involved and the game gets to another time dimension for those doing the quests... at the same "coordinates".
Like the man in the article said: quite an evolution. LotRO only had one instanced (loading) introduction scene at level 5. but this stuff happens in mid game and numurous times in the end game.
You "conquer" the territory on the Lich King, step by step and what used to be an enemy base is now a friendly base with even new constructed buildings and HQ etc ... (but only for the guys doing the chained adventures).
See it like point A <<<> B >>>>>< C >>>>>< D, but each point has at least two different "dimensions".
Of course it shows Blizzard is experimenting with it. And the techniques are NOT that easy (taking care of player interactions etc)...
The next patch 3.1 is already on the PTR and it involves the whole server to build a Colloseum - step by step. That colloseum in itself will be the feature on the 3.2 content patch (they say it is a place to hold tournaments for the Crusaders etc ...).
So the game is no longer static - per se -.
Exactly like, oh say... A single-player game with a co-op aspect?
Yep, but with the advantage that around you are players instead of NPC potatoes.
So you choose: be the hero between potatoes or between players who co-op with you and conquer territory on the enemy IN the gaming world without resorting to the "old meaning of instances".
But those that give you quests, that you fight, that you inevitably reign victorious over, THEY'RE still potatoes. That huge quest chain ending in the Angrathar cinematic? Where were you during the cinematic? Watching. Watching while Blizzard's carefully planted potatoes did their thing. It's just a seamless method of instancing.
What you're basically saying is that if you had a single player game with a large enough co-op server, you'd get World of Warcraft.
The problem with over-instancing, though, is that it might just turn a game into a single-player (or small group) experience. It begins to be a problem if you want to add meaningful RvR on top of it.
that's the problem Guild wars has now. the PvE areas (the towns, etc) are almost deserted. Anet added in henchmen which are basically AI companions so you can do the whole PvE campaign all on your own. thats why almost everyone just does PvP.
The problem with over-instancing, though, is that it might just turn a game into a single-player (or small group) experience. It begins to be a problem if you want to add meaningful RvR on top of it.
I'm always tempted to discuss Pirates of the Burning Sea as an example. Everything except cities and the open sea map in that game was instanced -- missions, open-sea battles, port battles. In the case of that game, instancing was brought in to solve another problem, that of a miniscule map that took 45 minutes at most to sail across.
The small map ruined other aspects of the game (such as, for instance, being a long-distance trader), and the instancing for PvP basically ensured the formation of "gank squads", groups of 6 players that would often play tricks by keeping a few of their members in the closest port, appearing to be a much smaller group than they were. Once the other side had attacked them, thinking they were two or three ships, the rest of the group would jump in the instance. (And I'll just mention in passing PotBS's very brief attempt to solve ganking by giving the defenders -- and the defenders only -- the possibility of having 9 ships to the attackers' 6; that became known as the "supergank".)
I'm just thinking of the many squandered possibilities as a result of that instancing. PotBS could have been a great game without it.
It shows you didn't experience phasing.
This is the WORLD map that changes, not some instance. And NO loading screens either.
Indeed hard to grasp perhaps for a lvl 46, but the enemy base CHANGES to a base YOU control in WotLK ' s world quests.
Advancing step by step into the territory of the Lich King. Making changes to the WORLD you adventure in, NOT to the guy who didn't do the quest line !
BEFORE commenting read the url first.
My post was specifically referring PotBS and made no mention of WoW or even "phasing". To me, your definition of phasing just sounded like a larger instance; we are not talking about a physically cohesive world where everyone on any given server shares the same reality at the same time.
Regardless of the name it's given, I think it's a step back from "sandbox" MMO's which I would prefer, where the world is the same for everybody, and where player actions have an impact on the entirety of the world, i.e. the entire server, and which aren't limited to a series of predetermined scenarios.
What Blizzard is giving you is an impression of change. All sandbox games will have parameters, true, but in the case of WoW, whether you call it "instancing" or "phasing", Blizzard remains fully in charge of what happens in its world, whether it's outcome A, B, C or D. And that doesn't interest me.
I must say I agree with Zorn here that it does seem a bit odd that you would have 2000 gold to give away in 6 weeks while leveling up to 46. I'm not saying it's necessarily impossible, but it seems pretty unlikely.
However I must say that I think gaining enough gold for an epic mount is quite easy these days if you know what you are doing and here's where I think the argument that the economy is screwed is simply wrong. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the economy at all. The economy is the way it is because gold is simply very easy to come by if you are willing to do a little work. And why is gold so easy to come by in the first place? Well I'll tell you, it wasn't always like that. In the beginning having a couple hundred gold meant you were rich. I can remember scraping together the gold to get my very first riding mount and it being difficult. So what happened?
What happened were gold sellers. Gold sellers realized that WoW was a gold mine pardon the pun. They started making a killing off of WoW and Blizzard noticed. Blizzard didn't like the idea that someone else might be profitting from their hard work, so they went to work combatting the gold sellers. And what's the best way to stop people from buying gold? Simply make gold easier to come by in game. But just making gold easier to come by in game would also destroy the economy unless there were some ways added to remove that gold as well. But you don't just want the price of everything to go up, rather you want the price of luxury items to go up while the cost of your average items stays the same. Hence Epic flying mounts were created. 5000 gold was intended to be a very high amount from the start because you see you don't need an epic flying mount to play the game, it's a luxury and as such it's taxed accordingly. The same is true of very valuable low level items that the twinks all want. They are luxury items. You don't need them to play the game, you only need them if you want to gain an advantage in PvP. But anyone can go out to the auction house and find a ton of decent equipment for as little as 1 or 2 gold. Equipment that is good enough to get you through you current level and on to the next level. So the average price of equipment is quite low, it's only the luxury items that are expensive. That's a healthy economy. That's exactly how it should be.
Now I agree with you that crafting is/was borked in WoW, but not because of the reasons you have suggested. I couldn't care less that 90% of what you make is fairly worthless and only used to level up your profession, because that's not where the payoff is. The payoff comes when you level up enough to be able to make something useful and obtain a pattern for that item. And the fact that the ingredients to making many of the items that you get for free (you learn just by choosing the profession) is more expensive than the item can be sold for only applies to those items. The truly useful items which usually require a dropped pattern are usually more expensive than the ingriedients themselves and sometimes far more expensive. This makes some sense. If everything that you could make simply by learning the profession were valuable, then there would simply be no need for dropped items, because everyone would be running around in crafted items because everyone would have the pattern. The idea is that only by going out and obtaining those sought after patterns do you find your profession to be something of use. And the only reason that mithril bars and the like are so expensive is because people are lazy. People don't want to go out and find the resources on their own, they would rather buy the resources off the AH. That's fine. That's called supply and demand. If the demand is large enough, the price will go up, but only to a certain point. At some point the prices get too high and people go out and find the resources rather than pay the high price.
Where they screwed the pooch for professions in my opinion is bind on pick-up patterns. Now you are forcing Mages to pick tailoring as a profession because what good does it do for a mage to be able to make a superior mail item that's bind on pickup? It's worthless. That was a huge mistake on Blizzards part and I've told them about it on a number of occasions. Bind on pick-up patterns are the stupidest thing that Blizzard has done with WoW. The other big problem was that they made it impossible for enchanters to sell their stuff on the AH. That problem was fixed recently after much complaining on the forums about it. Personally I didn't really have a big problem with not being able to sell my enchants on the AH, but I wanted to be able to enchant my own alts gear. I have 10 toons and 1 enchanter. He should be able to enchant all the stuff for all of my toons and now he can, but in the past he couldn't. That was an oversite on Blizz's part as well. It's been fixed, but it took them 4 years to fix it which was the 2nd biggest problem I had with the game.