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If this was my play pattern, I think I would rather pick up some good solo games and play them. I wouldn't have to pay 15/month to play by myself in those.
To OP
Some of these people are trying to convince you to level to 80, please don't do it. It will not change, not a bit. I had a 79 tauren druid, 76 pally, 74 troll hunter. Then I quit when nax was about to be released. You know why? because I was tired of doing heroics every morning, then from 2-6, then 8-2am. do you all see this? What is this? IT HAS CONSUMED MY ENTIRE LIFE. I played wow when I was 13, 5 years ago. and now what, I have wasted 5 years on wow... Right, it was fun, I couldn't agree more. But If I were given another chance to make a decision again, well, you know what my decision will be.
I don't want to offend anyone but I think I already have, because I have insulted your precious game (which once it was mine too) but please don't do it, OP. It will only worsen your life more.
I still miss my lvl 79 tauren Druid. But after thinking about the same raid contents, same heroic dungeons and more and more same path of grinding everyday. It makes me to turn away from the game.
I hope some of you get my feelings and apply to yourself as well before it is too late for you to realize what you have been doing for these few years.
and do you know how I quit wow? I took a 1 month vacation, visited my relatives and friends in the country I'm from and then after a month of interactions and reconnection with friends. A question came to me, do I really want wow to be my life for the rest of my life? right, it's like a drug.
Sorry World of Warcraft, but some things have to be said.
Edit: MY stupid Grammar
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This is unfair. Don't blame a game for your own regrets on deployment of your time. If you feel that the game is wasting your hours back then 5 years ago, you should not have been playing then. If you regret now, you have grown up and have different ideas, and that means you should stop now. None of that has anything to do with the game which just sits there, and won't intrude into your life until you log on, voluntarily.
I do agree that gamers should make their own decisions on how much time to spend playing and not ruin your family, friends, social life, health and miss bathe, bedtime, work, school b/c of a game. Indulgence is a crime but it all our own fault.
If you cannot resist playing a game, terminating WoW won't stop unless terminating WoW means no better games for you. In that sense, WoW is the best. Too good that you need to exercise control, more control. One good thing about WoW in this aspect, is the solo friendliness. You can just exercise control, play only 1 hour per evening and still get something done. In other games as EQ1 or FF, you can't hardly form a group and get to the dungeon entrance in an hour.
Its all about allocation of time, balances and control. There is no crime in stopping WoW or gaming or any hobby for another hobby, or another form of social life. There is actually sometime we called variety.
I didn't blame the game for my mistake. I was 13, don't tell me you always made the right choices when you were 13. that will be a lie. I moved to USA when I was 12, I moved to a city that was totally different from the country I was from. Everyone drives here, there are no transportation and kids at the age 13 could not go out if you live 3-4 miles away from the strip. yes it's las vegas. So anyway, all I had to do was attend school then nothing. I don't blame my parents as their intention was to raise me and hope that I would achieve whatever they want and move back to the country I'm from to get a well paid job.
Back to the topic.. Again, I didn't blame wow. And I don't play wow now, I quit 6 months ago, the time when I planned the trip. What I am trying to do here is to persuade some kids not to follow the same path I have gone through. since wow is a totally different game from other mmorpgs. It is easier to be addicted with this game than the others from my so called 4 years experience. Now that was all my own opinion. But like you said, people got to be in control of themselves, so I agree with you, this is not the game's fault. We have our own responsibilities.
After reading your comments, you actually taught me another thing, control. I'm playing another mmorpg now, but I am almost in control of everything. But I have to say this, I am in control of things a lot better now than I was when playing wow.
Anyway, i hope you understand what i'm trying to express here.
Sometimes, I wish I could write in my own language lol...
Edit: one more thing I wanted to add is: wow has too much informations and databases, like wowhead, wowARMORY, allakhazam, thotbots, wowinsiders.. etc It just has too much informations and you always want to check items status, drop rates, gear competitions (how to get better gears) on wowhead/thottbot. you know what i mean? :P
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Well, Falo got a point. How much self-control can you expect from a 13 year old? It's more a failing from the parents side if you ask me. Playing games is all well and good, but it have to be done in moderation. When an adult go all WoW-crazy, quit his job and lose his marriage, kids and whatnot, it's his own fault and bloody buggers to him, but when a kid lose all control over a game, the parents need to step in a moderate it.
Sadly though, in these politically correct times, you ain't allowed to even touch your kid and there are actually people that go around and believe in letting the kid make their own choices and let their brats do whatever they want. They need strong discipline in their life to mold them into responsible adults but few parents are willing to do that. They rather let videogames and tv raise their kids. So yeah, blame the parents. Their ineptitude is what made those little shits, the shits didn't made themselfes.
Funny thing is, I know a few people that actually believe in letting their kids have free reign. Yeah, I hate those kids and wish for no more to spank the hell outta them to learn them some respect. I actually saw one of them take a pitchfork and stick it into the side of a cow just for fun. The little shit draw blood and the parents where like: you shouldn't do that, and left it at that. If it where me that kid would've been grounded for a month and had all his privileges withdrawn.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
The best thing in this post are the repliers that copy 349058'305934 times the whole post again. Without that this thread could be cut to 4 pages
To the OP:
It doesent matter if you play 46 or 80 or even 250 levels to realize the things you wrote. The point is: WoW is Level/Itembased. Peoples doesent realize theyre only grinding things until they have to grind much more things. A simple thing which gives Blizzard the opportunity to make this game never end.
I played WoW for about 4 years. What i write here i realized early but the problem was i tried about 15 different mmorpg's and after time i realized i wont find a game like UO anymore at the moment and there isn't a "better" solution than WoW. The community of WoW is .... uhm no comment. But this belongs only back to the point ITEMbased. Everyone's getting greedy by that. Only having the best items makes a player really acceptable and good.
My turnaround in WoW came as they changed the skills of the only char i liked to play: Warrior Tanks changed to 3 button tanks. I will never understand why they changed all chars closer to each other and made them less uniqe as they ever were, and they really wasnt so unique. I mean clearing Mount Hyjal with 2 Def Warriors and a Feral Druid was a bunch of work pre 3.0 and peoples was proud to deliver such an successful result with the abilities of a char.
But it seems like people needs such stupid things to waste their time like grinding, clearing an instance the 345890345. time just to get the last equip part they miss.
WoW isnt really a great game at all. Blizzard just had a brilliand hand advertising the sensless work to the world by a really impressing way. The game himself doesent has many opportunities to feel a player "good" in this game. Players are allways under the item-, level-, honor- and grouppressure that blizzard layed passivley on them. If youre once in this mechanics: 1st you dont want to be the worst player - then you get better, you start realizing you could even be much better and you try to. Later you're at the point where you want to be one of the best equipped ones in your guild to show them how good you are. The result: wasting time, time and even more time. For what? Just to wait until the next big patch with maybe new instances coming or another expansion will be released and the whole thing starts over from new.
Hat off Blizzard guys, you created a game which no game else had such as much users, you created a game which made players collapse from their computer because they forgot where the world is going on. They even manage the community to forget what they all promised to include in this game. Such a marketing and advertising can only be topped of Bill Gates Microsoft company.
But be honest, does it's really funny to start over and over from new just to reach again what you reached allready many times and just to reach it until Blizzard says: STOP guys this was enough, you're good enough and now we drop another expansion so the hardcore guys have more work....
Not and wont be never my gamestyle again.
oh something i forgot: PvP
which pvp ?
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I feel your pain, itembased game indeed.
I have a few level 80s and the stench of doing another daily is too much and I laugh at these "are you bored? do some achievements" haha what a joke. if those things could at least help our chars progress . /love xyz squirrel
oh and you have to love this?
LFM nax need ranged dps.
HUNTER here.
are you nax geared.
No I'm trying to get in to get nax gear but I do have crafted epics and quested blues.
Sorry we just filled.
Anyways, I've had enough of wow. actually considering going back to eq1 once the progression server is re-released.
It's not only your grammar that needs to be edited...
5 years? Wow is 4 years and 3 months old.
"I had a 79 tauren druid, 76 pally, 74 troll hunter. Then I quit when .... nax was about to be released."
Something doesn't fit, does it ?
You did heroics ? in WotLK ? AT lvl 76 and 79 ? jesus and I who thought they could only be played and experienced at level 80... Must have been an illusion when I wanted to enter VOA at level 77 with a giant blocking screen (CAN ONLY BE ENTERED at level 80).
Next time you're gonna tell us how this game played out 5 years ago.. I am very curious about that. Must have been very difficult without servers.
Probably a bait again to up the hatred posts. "See I told you Zorndorf doesn't believe you..."
Well you couldn't possibly have those level 70's+ ... when Nax was about to be released.
Sorry for the obvious things we - as Wow players - see....
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A lot explaning again I am sure of that (should be no problem as the OP always came with an explanation) but that is the meaning of these kind of posts isn't it?
See the achievement banner
))) Some guys are really frustrated by the success of a game.
Indeed I wonder if they have fun in life ?
Ah, here we go again:
I should have expected it.
Zorn, I will just say this: I saw the same things and I too noted them. Before you start running off saying how much of a great victory you have achieved, however, I will say that I am perfectly willing to give the poster the benefit of the doubt.
Anyone could have said by mistake that WoW launched five years ago, considering it's 2009 and it was released in 2004. Certainly, logic dictates that the number should be rounded down because it's nowhere near the half-year mark. But I can accept it being a mistake -- especially considering that the man who makes a case out of it once accused me of lying over $4.86 and which currency I was using to calculate how much I paid for my copy of the game.
The levels of his characters, that's another matter. We would need to know exactly for how long he played the game, but I know all too well what will happen to that.
Also, I do remember hearing about this type of addiction -- it's not something you can start flinging off. It started long before WoW, by the way (why do you think they called it EverCrack?) so it's not some sort of conspiracy aimed at your beloved game.
So you say it's just a bait, ploy, whatever, aimed at WoW by the "haters". I could just as well say the same of you: You could plant a blatantly fake WoW negative post just so that you could show up, dismiss it, and pass as the hero of these boards, the bulwark that stands between WoW and its "haters". I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, so I'll just drop the matter -- if you do it first.
As for my "always coming with an explanation" -- what would you want me to do instead? To shut up so that you can pretend you've gotten me against the wall? I'm nowhere near that, sorry.
Frustrated by the success of a game? No. Annoyed at seeing that the success of a game makes it impervious to any sort of criticism? Yes. Afraid that the success of the game might lead to an unprecedented bankruptcy of creativity in the field of MMO's? Yes. That's why I'm sort of rooting for Darkfall even though I despise everything about it -- to prove that there's a possibility of success for those developers who don't follow the WoW model.
But now you'll blame me for writing all this, won't you?
it shouldnt called world of warcraft, but world of magic. an fantacy world to make players addicted.
world of warcraft sucks. played it for 2 days and decided to uninstall it. "give it a try." you need to play for 100 years of complete sh** boredom to have fun in... a game? wait, a game is supposed to be fun the whole time you play. it shouldn't be like a damn job to level up and what not in any game. i haven't experienced end-game content, yes i'm aware. but that's not the only part of a game, not by a long shot. obviously, it is a lot better than many games out there, but it's also worse than a lot.
Look: many - many (myself included) played so much the darn game that we grew tired of it. But it is a great game.
I expected a slap on my face when I post negative comments about wow. I also expected to be corrected with some minor mistakes when I make comments. I really have done 2-3 heroics with my 79 RESTO druid. A healer... do you get that? well, hope you did. If 79 can't enter heroics tho, I might have been mistaken since its quite long ago. But I still remember doing H nexus, uk, and w/e keep. Anyway, I gave my reasons and my comments weren't aggresive. I was only telling the truth but I made couple stupid minor mistakes.. like the 5 years of playing wow. But how could i remember if it was 4 years or 5 years. All i remember was it came out on 2004 and now it's 2009. Just to let you guys know, I got to think in two ways when typing, my own language then translate it to English. Also, given the fact that, my native language has a totally different way of composing sentences and grammar., so I am very sorry about my crappy grammar and english.
On the bottom line, I still love wow, just to let you know. And I am 90% sure that I will come back playing wow again. When it is time, of course. It isn't going to be soon tho.
Once again, I did not lie about my characters, I only have 3 70+ as I listed. I didn't play when wotlk launched. So I was a bit late on leveling my chars. That's how I quit when Nax was about to come out. I was 79, a resto tauren druid playing with my bro, and some really close friends I made when I created this druid.
That's my story. The server I play on is Executus. Hope that helps in proving me that I was telling truth, not lies.
And what's this achievement of victory or whatever. Isn't discussing about wow the only thing we are doing here? I don't treat this as a battle - - hope you don't too
/shake hand
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Pappy, you and I like to play Wow. Isn't it strange guys like these show up and make it all worthwile to defend a maginifcent MMORPG like World of Warcraft....
The game is THAT good people want to devote complete made up stories on it
The only difference with the OP is he at least said he was a lvl 46 (stating never seen things about end game PvP and PVE wise content).
How convenient that you should persist in avoiding mentioning that the particular passage to which you are probably referring came in a quote from someone else.
This guy is shaking hands with 3 level 70+ chracater (lvl 74, 76 and 79) .... when Nax came out .....and he was "sick of doing the heroics" you can enter ... at level 80.
Friend, NAX came out with WotLK, so you couldn't possibly have had 74, 76 or 79 characters at that time and ... no ... a pity you can't do Heroics level 80 without being .... 80.(see original post of his).
A pity isn't it ?
But hey, it is SO long ago," I don't exacty remember "... is that for the 5 years experience bar or the last 2 months you played it.
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OP: Your motivation comes from attacking Wow for killing the industry. It's guys like YOU who defend underdevelopped products by attacking the industry leader makes just things ..... worse.
I'm trying to follow your logic here. In 2008, I played Pirates of the Burning Sea (which never was more than a glorified indie with little advertising, and in no way a competitor of WoW), then Age of Conan (which I left after six weeks), then Warhammer Online (which I left after six days). You can hardly accuse me of "defending underdeveloped products". If I were willing to defend them, I would still be subscribed to them, and I'd be writing positively about them in their respective sections. I'm not.
The problem also is that while you're defending WoW, you're also defending Star Trek Online, which isn't even released yet. Even worse, in another thread where we've been having a little back-and-forth as well, you said you wanted to set up this entire "credibility" system to avoid the negativity of the Darkfall forums for future games such as... Star Trek Online.
There are a few things that you should have considered. That in Darkfall's case, both the fanboys and the trolls are to blame, but it was the fanboys who for years have had a reputation for trying to silence even the slightest criticism of the game. Hardly an example to follow. Also, that Darkfall does not have an armory system, which makes any such assessment of "credibility" pretty much impossible. Darkfall isn't WoW, and in Darkfall I would suspect that the average player would have a very good reason to want to disguise his identity when posting on external forums, lest he turn into a gank magnet for what he says. And thirdly, that Darkfall "credibility" would probably lead to a pecking order among guild leaders, with everybody else, way, way down the list. I wouldn't want to see that happen.
But more importantly: You haven't played Star Trek Online. Maybe it will be one of those underdeveloped products you bemoan; it's impossible to know. Yet apparently you have undying faith in it. Why? Because you like Star Trek? I'm afraid I need more serious arguments before I let you censor what is being said about a game that isn't released yet. Otherwise, aren't you just mimicking the Darkfall fanboys?
As long as you don't see this obvious thing, Blizzard has a too(!) easy ride. As long as Wow is being compared with Mc Donalds, you are gonna see failing launches.
Comparison with McDonalds has really nothing to do with it, except to say that it's so unabashedly aimed at a mainstream audience that it has had to sacrifice certain elements of design (not to mention drop in all those pop culture references which go against what an MMO should be -- an alternate universe). But the problem is that WoW is that its budget is such that it forces other developers to try to compete with it just to achieve a same level of polish. And the problem with that is that it forces those other developers to aim for the same sort of mainstream appeal that WoW has.
Could a game like Darkfall have been developed by a major company? No. A major company spawns games like Age of Conan and Warhammer Online -- that sort of try to pretend they're not WoW while cribbing from it as much as they can, just to go for the same mainstream appeal. I found WAR especially obvious in this regard, even though we can partially point the finger at WoW for "borrowing" the Warhammer tabletop setting.
So you get badly designed games like Darkfall (for lack of experience and budget) which promptly fall flat on their faces, thereby offering more ammunition to the WoW-or-Bust proponents. Or you get WoW copycats/wannabes that also fail because they can't exactly compete with WoW.
Why? that would take me too far in this post.
You already got what you wanted , a usless thread of invented things having experienced at level 46 (from a guy saying he could change the SQL server tables of Blizzard's servers, to a guy riding high on non experience). I can't claim responsibility for those people. I don't know the SQL guy, and all that technical talk was Chinese to me. The other guy told you his story, but you just discarded it anyway.
But hey, this is just the industry's leader who makes crap games, "you can't critisize".
Are you trying to reverse the argument here? Or am I missing something? I consider myself free to criticize anything and everything that is offered to me as a gamer and a consumer, whether it comes from pity-inducing Aventurine or lighting-cigars-with-thousand-dollar-bills Blizzard. If anything, Blizzard should be even more open to criticism because it is such a dominant player and what it does has a much greater impact than a small bunch of guys in Athens who decided to make a videogame.
As long as the comments coming from such people, the industry has no benefit from such comments ... at all.
Shake Hands.
Say hello to Bill Gates for me. A few of my friends with Vista might wish to deliver him a message, as well.
I thought I had enough of wo w too, but then everquest 2 came out, and after trying it i realized how good wow was.
Then i thought I had enough agian, but vanguard came out , and after trying it, i was even happier to have wow..
now i play darkfall and wow....and i am happy that all the "old schoolers" are frolliking in their lagfest cities of vg and eq.
Fun stuff. Just relax Zorndorf. When you let yourself be riled up like that, expect people to try and rip you apart, post by post. You used to be like Pappy is now. Where did that guy go hmm? Anyway, WoW's not for everyone, and I guess alot of the posters/haters here grinded themselfes to boredom in the game and quit it in a fit of anger or something. Bottom line is, WoW is a good game, polished like hell allthough it's getting stale now. Atleast in my opinion. After WotLK I quit the game for good. 10 more dings of more the same. No thank you very much. I'm having fun in City of Heroes now
My mastermind is ripping mobs apart.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
Ok, Zorndorf. I read thru your post and I am sorry for talking crap here. I didn't do any heroics, It was my level 80 brother that was doing heroics. My wow subscription ended 2 weeks before him, then there was the trip when his ended. So I watched him playing heroics and stuff. I lost memories of wow after the trip because I had too much fun, i guess. But now I am staying at home 3 days a week besides college, getting home sick again, miss my friends from the place im from, and got nothing to do to browse mmorpgs in this site. I am not working right now because I'll be having a week vacation with my family to London. When I'm back, I'll work, attend class and maybe play wow? who knows..!
My memories of Nax: what I meant by "I didn't get to see nax before it came out" is that I couldn't get to see it because i was only 79. I am sorry for saying "before nax came out" I wasn't really focused when writing. In fact, I didn't even know nax was out when wotlk launched.. seriouslly. Last thing I was doing before quitting wow was in the icecrown place doing quests and dailies. I couldn't remember seeing nax or hearing anything about it cuz I was tired of raiding and didn't intend to do it again. So it didn't get my attention, all I enjoyed was playing with my bro and friends. - and of course, spaming in trade of my Crafting and lvling enchanting/jc! my fav
I sometimes hate myself for not thinking clearly when typing. I will try harder to provide acqurate info on what I've said.. but first you gotta find out the mistakes i make in my post..
and thank you for shaking hand with me!
Edit: Just call me Falo (not the other guy)
that's my troll hunter in game name. & he's only lvl 71, not 74, I just checked armory and he is listed on the last page.. poor guy. My mistake
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Here is the thing I don't get:
#1) People complain about the game being static and players actions not having consequence on the game at large. Aside from one example, Eve Online, what game offers that? Even Ultima Online was limited in terms of how much actual influence a player could have on the game.
#2) The issue of the "Grind" (un-inspired quests, drive for the next item upgrade, etc...) is present in most MMORPGs currently out today. It is completely ridiculous to claim World of Warcraft has <insert your complaint here> when most other MMORPGs have the same issue at heart. And the whole success of WoW prevents innovation is ridiculous as then we wouldn't have games like Atlantica Online or Darkfall which don't emulate WoW.
#3) The OP made a point about World of Warcraft feeling like a solo game with a online chat function at low levels, well show me a game that has a diverse low level/skill value population after 4 years? I can think of one, Eve Online, with maybe an honorable mention to FFXII.
#4) The generic "WoWs community is <insert favorite descriptor>" argument, which is utterly ridiculous. Every game has their good and bad elements, a lot of it is luck on who you meet. However, since people remember the bad more than the good, and the sheer numbers in WoW offer a greater diversity of both types, people will gravity towards complaining about the bad will completely ignoring the good.
#5) Finally, the Economy. Again, name one game (Eve and crafting-centric games aside) that has any sort of Economy worth mentioning?
I agree with everything you said. that is why I've stopped trying new mmo's and I'm back in eq1 and you know what after you see past the dated stuff it's all the same
Happy gaming ppl!