Of course people can evaluate Roberts work by researching his past and listening to people that worked for him. By what you are saying no one can discuss anyone including Presidents, actors and so on because we never actually worked with them. That is complete BS, we can evaluate people by reading what they have said and what others have said about them.
It is safe to say what people have said and what Roberts himself have said that Wing Commander would most likely never have released if Roberts wasn't keep under control and stopped from wanting to change things at a moments notice. it's all there in black and white. There is a very good reason why people have said Roberts should not be in control of any game that is under development yet you guys just want to ignore all those facts.
It isn't faith to not trust or trust Roberts it is common sense to NOT trust him.
Well, no one is perfect, as is not CR. he may did some mistakes in past, but who not? That doesnt mean anything for SC. The only thing you can judge is the game he is developing right now, SC, you cant evaluate how he is working on it, how he leads his team or the project at all.
And to say CR is a bad game developer because some said something bad about him in the past ist stupid. Can you give me any trustworthy source that back up what you are saying? Who exactly said that CR should not be the head of such a project?
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Pretty much that is hate. Crusaders thought they were protecting people and that justified what they did as not hate. You are really not protecting or saving anyone. You are lashing out because Of strong emotional attachment.
Whales will always spend their money on a dream. Normal people say I'm not giving my money and walk away. Wanting it to fail to save the industry will not work because the industry is not the problem. The problem is the people.
A fool and his money will soon be parted is a time honored tradition.
Emotional attachment? Not hardly. I couldnt really care less. I dont say much on this (like I said read my comments) unless something new or different pops up. Just so happens there has been a lot of new and different the past few weeks so my activity on the subject ramped up.
I dont say the same things over and over again, I take the new stuff and link it with what we already know. I dont use anything any 'controversial' people say. I use what CiG and CR say and do themselves. Probably why most people never comment directly to what I say. And probably why you have decided to take my single opinion comment and try and run with it, which is fine. But rather than do what I love to point out (deflect and detract) try commenting on the stuff that isnt opinion based.
Because you cant. You take a single thing you think you can twist and try and make it about that rather than about the REAL problems and issues facing this project.
I am not naive enough to think it will 'save' the industry but if it fails it will certainly give pause and maybe (depending on circumstances and reasons) cause some changes made in how kickstarters and crowdfunding can conduct business.
I just think that 2 or 3 years from now people will be lamenting all the money that was pissed away on this failure and dreaming about how that money could have been used by people actually interested (and able) to not only develop a game but FINISH one.
Pretty much that is hate. Crusaders thought they were protecting people and that justified what they did as not hate. You are really not protecting or saving anyone. You are lashing out because Of strong emotional attachment.
Whales will always spend their money on a dream. Normal people say I'm not giving my money and walk away. Wanting it to fail to save the industry will not work because the industry is not the problem. The problem is the people.
A fool and his money will soon be parted is a time honored tradition.
Emotional attachment? Not hardly. I couldnt really care less.
You can't say that after saying you want it to fail, you can't get much more emotionally attached than that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Pretty much that is hate. Crusaders thought they were protecting people and that justified what they did as not hate. You are really not protecting or saving anyone. You are lashing out because Of strong emotional attachment.
Whales will always spend their money on a dream. Normal people say I'm not giving my money and walk away. Wanting it to fail to save the industry will not work because the industry is not the problem. The problem is the people.
A fool and his money will soon be parted is a time honored tradition.
Emotional attachment? Not hardly. I couldnt really care less. I dont say much on this (like I said read my comments) unless something new or different pops up. Just so happens there has been a lot of new and different the past few weeks so my activity on the subject ramped up.
I dont say the same things over and over again, I take the new stuff and link it with what we already know. I dont use anything any 'controversial' people say. I use what CiG and CR say and do themselves. Probably why most people never comment directly to what I say. And probably why you have decided to take my single opinion comment and try and run with it, which is fine. But rather than do what I love to point out (deflect and detract) try commenting on the stuff that isnt opinion based.
Because you cant. You take a single thing you think you can twist and try and make it about that rather than about the REAL problems and issues facing this project.
I am not naive enough to think it will 'save' the industry but if it fails it will certainly give pause and maybe (depending on circumstances and reasons) cause some changes made in how kickstarters and crowdfunding can conduct business.
I just think that 2 or 3 years from now people will be lamenting all the money that was pissed away on this failure and dreaming about how that money could have been used by people actually interested (and able) to not only develop a game but FINISH one.
You assume that money would have gone to another company. No one is lamenting the money wasted years ago on failed projects(AC2) cause that money is not gone. It is just moved around. There is always a new group of whales. Worry less about what they spend on and more on what you do. In the end it will work out.
LOL CryEngine developers said a long time ago to CR it won't work. You will see you are wrong and today you heard it out of CR's own mouth. Either he needs a new engine or close it up. It won't work!
The Frankfurt office was established and staffed with some of the best specialists about the CryEngine for ONE reason:
To overhaul the engine in order to bring it up to SC's standards. And that is exactly what they did. NOT doing.. did!
What you see in 2.0 and 2.1 is something the stock CryEngine CAN'T do. The modified one can. And they have not even touched it's limits yet.
But you already knew all this, don't you ? You just had to make yet another spite / hate thread for SC because you are.. well, you are you.
LOL CryEngine developers said a long time ago to CR it won't work. You will see you are wrong and today you heard it out of CR's own mouth. Either he needs a new engine or close it up. It won't work!
The Frankfurt office was established and staffed with some of the best specialists about the CryEngine for ONE reason:
To overhaul the engine in order to bring it up to SC's standards. And that is exactly what they did. NOT doing.. did!
What you see in 2.0 and 2.1 is something the stock CryEngine CAN'T do. The modified one can. And they have not even touched it's limits yet.
But you already knew all this, don't you ? You just had to make yet another spite / hate thread for SC because you are.. well, you are you.
It can be done if he goes back to 1.0 it is doable. Once he started adding things and making 2.0 he was told it can't be done.
Well he just affirms what i said from day 1,he is just winging the game design as he goes and that is never a good way to design a game.
He says it was basically a single player design then had to move it to a multiplayer design.So yes he has to take into account of many objects drawn on screen instead of one player and a few objects.
However what i have also been saying all along is you have a TEAM.The TEAM is not all working o Networking,the team is not all working on one animation aspect in the game,so where is the TEAM's work?
All i have seen him show us is VERY little,like stuff that a small indie team could pull off in a matter of months.Then he likes to reiterate stuff he has already shown us,repeat it over and over to make it look like updates. Chris,how about show us you have a well managed TEAM of work to show us because so far you have so very little.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
He says it was basically a single player design then had to move it to a multiplayer design.So yes he has to take into account of many objects drawn on screen instead of one player and a few objects.
Said he? Because that is a lie. The multiplayer design was there from the beginning. And he defended CryEngine in the earlier days as capable to handle everything, without too much effort.
Of course people can evaluate Roberts work by researching his past and listening to people that worked for him. By what you are saying no one can discuss anyone including Presidents, actors and so on because we never actually worked with them. That is complete BS, we can evaluate people by reading what they have said and what others have said about them.
It is safe to say what people have said and what Roberts himself have said that Wing Commander would most likely never have released if Roberts wasn't keep under control and stopped from wanting to change things at a moments notice. it's all there in black and white. There is a very good reason why people have said Roberts should not be in control of any game that is under development yet you guys just want to ignore all those facts.
It isn't faith to not trust or trust Roberts it is common sense to NOT trust him.
That personality trait is a lack of discipline which to be completely frank people who are clever could see in him from pretty much the first missed released date however lack of discipline which is common in highly creative people is not the same thing as being intentionally deceptive and its unfortunate many people in these forums can not tell the difference
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
LOL CryEngine developers said a long time ago to CR it won't work. You will see you are wrong and today you heard it out of CR's own mouth. Either he needs a new engine or close it up. It won't work!
The Frankfurt office was established and staffed with some of the best specialists about the CryEngine for ONE reason:
To overhaul the engine in order to bring it up to SC's standards. And that is exactly what they did. NOT doing.. did!
What you see in 2.0 and 2.1 is something the stock CryEngine CAN'T do. The modified one can. And they have not even touched it's limits yet.
But you already knew all this, don't you ? You just had to make yet another spite / hate thread for SC because you are.. well, you are you.
It can be done if he goes back to 1.0 it is doable. Once he started adding things and making 2.0 he was told it can't be done.
I don't understand this. Why would going back to 1.0 help? You must have some insights that are escaping me. If it's a technical thing, I'd, honestly, be interested in hearing about it because I can't understand how moving backwards would actually help.
LOL CryEngine developers said a long time ago to CR it won't work. You will see you are wrong and today you heard it out of CR's own mouth. Either he needs a new engine or close it up. It won't work!
The Frankfurt office was established and staffed with some of the best specialists about the CryEngine for ONE reason:
To overhaul the engine in order to bring it up to SC's standards. And that is exactly what they did. NOT doing.. did!
What you see in 2.0 and 2.1 is something the stock CryEngine CAN'T do. The modified one can. And they have not even touched it's limits yet.
But you already knew all this, don't you ? You just had to make yet another spite / hate thread for SC because you are.. well, you are you.
It can be done if he goes back to 1.0 it is doable. Once he started adding things and making 2.0 he was told it can't be done.
I don't understand this. Why would going back to 1.0 help? You must have some insights that are escaping me. If it's a technical thing, I'd, honestly, be interested in hearing about it because I can't understand how moving backwards would actually help.
Just that CE3 will not be able to do what he wants. Single player game it is doable. Sorry if you missed that above.
LOL CryEngine developers said a long time ago to CR it won't work. You will see you are wrong and today you heard it out of CR's own mouth. Either he needs a new engine or close it up. It won't work!
The Frankfurt office was established and staffed with some of the best specialists about the CryEngine for ONE reason:
To overhaul the engine in order to bring it up to SC's standards. And that is exactly what they did. NOT doing.. did!
What you see in 2.0 and 2.1 is something the stock CryEngine CAN'T do. The modified one can. And they have not even touched it's limits yet.
But you already knew all this, don't you ? You just had to make yet another spite / hate thread for SC because you are.. well, you are you.
It can be done if he goes back to 1.0 it is doable. Once he started adding things and making 2.0 he was told it can't be done.
I don't understand this. Why would going back to 1.0 help? You must have some insights that are escaping me. If it's a technical thing, I'd, honestly, be interested in hearing about it because I can't understand how moving backwards would actually help.
Just that CE3 will not be able to do what he wants. Single player game it is doable. Sorry if you missed that above.
But they have the source code. They don't need to go back to anything. They extend existing functionality. They add new functionality. They refactor. That's what refactoring is all about. He specifically mentions that in the video. Isn't it? Maybe I missed something.
LOL CryEngine developers said a long time ago to CR it won't work. You will see you are wrong and today you heard it out of CR's own mouth. Either he needs a new engine or close it up. It won't work!
The Frankfurt office was established and staffed with some of the best specialists about the CryEngine for ONE reason:
To overhaul the engine in order to bring it up to SC's standards. And that is exactly what they did. NOT doing.. did!
What you see in 2.0 and 2.1 is something the stock CryEngine CAN'T do. The modified one can. And they have not even touched it's limits yet.
But you already knew all this, don't you ? You just had to make yet another spite / hate thread for SC because you are.. well, you are you.
It can be done if he goes back to 1.0 it is doable. Once he started adding things and making 2.0 he was told it can't be done.
I don't understand this. Why would going back to 1.0 help? You must have some insights that are escaping me. If it's a technical thing, I'd, honestly, be interested in hearing about it because I can't understand how moving backwards would actually help.
Just that CE3 will not be able to do what he wants. Single player game it is doable. Sorry if you missed that above.
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The engine in use now has very little to do with CE3. It is a completely overhauled version build almost from scratch. It is already doing what CR wants and it can deliver much more.
Of course people can evaluate Roberts work by researching his past and listening to people that worked for him. By what you are saying no one can discuss anyone including Presidents, actors and so on because we never actually worked with them. That is complete BS, we can evaluate people by reading what they have said and what others have said about them.
It is safe to say what people have said and what Roberts himself have said that Wing Commander would most likely never have released if Roberts wasn't keep under control and stopped from wanting to change things at a moments notice. it's all there in black and white. There is a very good reason why people have said Roberts should not be in control of any game that is under development yet you guys just want to ignore all those facts.
It isn't faith to not trust or trust Roberts it is common sense to NOT trust him.
That personality trait is a lack of discipline which to be completely frank people who are clever could see in him from pretty much the first missed released date however lack of discipline which is common in highly creative people is not the same thing as being intentionally deceptive and its unfortunate many people in these forums can not tell the difference
It does not matter that he is being "intentionally" deceptive. He has the legal responsibility of not been deceptive. And he was, he is and will continue to be.
Of course people can evaluate Roberts work by researching his past and listening to people that worked for him. By what you are saying no one can discuss anyone including Presidents, actors and so on because we never actually worked with them. That is complete BS, we can evaluate people by reading what they have said and what others have said about them.
It is safe to say what people have said and what Roberts himself have said that Wing Commander would most likely never have released if Roberts wasn't keep under control and stopped from wanting to change things at a moments notice. it's all there in black and white. There is a very good reason why people have said Roberts should not be in control of any game that is under development yet you guys just want to ignore all those facts.
It isn't faith to not trust or trust Roberts it is common sense to NOT trust him.
That personality trait is a lack of discipline which to be completely frank people who are clever could see in him from pretty much the first missed released date however lack of discipline which is common in highly creative people is not the same thing as being intentionally deceptive and its unfortunate many people in these forums can not tell the difference
It does not matter that he is being "intentionally" deceptive. He has the legal responsibility of not been deceptive. And he was, he is and will continue to be.
Doesnt matter.
He very well may have a legal obligation I dont know because I dont know what you are talking about but its STILL not intentional deceptive, regardless of what his legal obligations are
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
lack of discipline which is common in highly creative people is not the same thing as being intentionally deceptive and its unfortunate many people in these forums can not tell the difference
LOL, this thread is full of make believe and bull-pucky. This post is just one example. No one said anything about CR being "intentionally deceptive" and yet here is SEAN fighting for a point no one even made. I looked at the post he quoted from Brenics and those words were not in it. I scanned through the 4 pages and again have not seen these words used.
I think a few of the people in this thread are only here to cause a ruckus and dont give a crap about this game or company.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
What part of he has actual Crytech engineers modifying the engine don't you comprehend?
Bren
The part where those same engineers told him it can't be done. Which is why a few of them already left CIG! Wait till after holidays and see who else leaves.
if you ever have a coder telling you it can't be done, get a better one ^^
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
lack of discipline which is common in highly creative people is not the same thing as being intentionally deceptive and its unfortunate many people in these forums can not tell the difference
LOL, this thread is full of make believe and bull-pucky. This post is just one example. No one said anything about CR being "intentionally deceptive" and yet here is SEAN fighting for a point no one even made. I looked at the post he quoted from Brenics and those words were not in it. I scanned through the 4 pages and again have not seen these words used.
I think a few of the people in this thread are only here to cause a ruckus and dont give a crap about this game or company.
You just had to look up 2 posts higher. Literally.
It was @jcrg99 and I quote: It does not matter that he is being "intentionally" deceptive. He has the legal responsibility of not been deceptive. And he was, he is and will continue to be.
Unfortunately it's fairly nonsensical so it's difficult to tell what the hell he's even saying. So I'll give SEAN a pass on it.
lack of discipline which is common in highly creative people is not the same thing as being intentionally deceptive and its unfortunate many people in these forums can not tell the difference
LOL, this thread is full of make believe and bull-pucky. This post is just one example. No one said anything about CR being "intentionally deceptive" and yet here is SEAN fighting for a point no one even made. I looked at the post he quoted from Brenics and those words were not in it. I scanned through the 4 pages and again have not seen these words used.
I think a few of the people in this thread are only here to cause a ruckus and dont give a crap about this game or company.
You just had to look up 2 posts higher. Literally.
It was @jcrg99 and I quote: It does not matter that he is being "intentionally" deceptive. He has the legal responsibility of not been deceptive. And he was, he is and will continue to be.
Unfortunately it's fairly nonsensical so it's difficult to tell what the hell he's even saying. So I'll give SEAN a pass on it.
It's because you don't know (or do not want to know) what deceptive is in terms of the legal perspective, which was what I referred in the comment that you quoted, so, wouldn't be that hard as you claimed to figure out.
No problem. I share with you by the 100th time. Maybe one day you quit the ignorance or the need to be blind to believe in whatever dream you have, and accept to educate yourself about real life:
The Federal Trade Commission Act allows the FTC to act in the
interest of all consumers to prevent deceptive and unfair acts or
practices. In interpreting Section 5 of the Act, the Commission has
determined that a representation, omission or practice is deceptive if it is likely to:
mislead consumers and
affect consumers' behavior or decisions about the product or service.
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Your posts on the other hand....
The only thing you can judge is the game he is developing right now, SC, you cant evaluate how he is working on it, how he leads his team or the project at all.
And to say CR is a bad game developer because some said something bad about him in the past ist stupid. Can you give me any trustworthy source that back up what you are saying? Who exactly said that CR should not be the head of such a project?
- Albert Einstein
I dont say the same things over and over again, I take the new stuff and link it with what we already know. I dont use anything any 'controversial' people say. I use what CiG and CR say and do themselves. Probably why most people never comment directly to what I say. And probably why you have decided to take my single opinion comment and try and run with it, which is fine. But rather than do what I love to point out (deflect and detract) try commenting on the stuff that isnt opinion based.
Because you cant. You take a single thing you think you can twist and try and make it about that rather than about the REAL problems and issues facing this project.
I am not naive enough to think it will 'save' the industry but if it fails it will certainly give pause and maybe (depending on circumstances and reasons) cause some changes made in how kickstarters and crowdfunding can conduct business.
I just think that 2 or 3 years from now people will be lamenting all the money that was pissed away on this failure and dreaming about how that money could have been used by people actually interested (and able) to not only develop a game but FINISH one.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
To overhaul the engine in order to bring it up to SC's standards. And that is exactly what they did. NOT doing.. did!
What you see in 2.0 and 2.1 is something the stock CryEngine CAN'T do. The modified one can. And they have not even touched it's limits yet.
But you already knew all this, don't you ? You just had to make yet another spite / hate thread for SC because you are.. well, you are you.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
He says it was basically a single player design then had to move it to a multiplayer design.So yes he has to take into account of many objects drawn on screen instead of one player and a few objects.
However what i have also been saying all along is you have a TEAM.The TEAM is not all working o Networking,the team is not all working on one animation aspect in the game,so where is the TEAM's work?
All i have seen him show us is VERY little,like stuff that a small indie team could pull off in a matter of months.Then he likes to reiterate stuff he has already shown us,repeat it over and over to make it look like updates.
Chris,how about show us you have a well managed TEAM of work to show us because so far you have so very little.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
CR opens movie studio - works on garbage and somewhat ok movies before studio goes belly up
CR opens new game studio.... I'm seeing a trend developing
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I don't understand this. Why would going back to 1.0 help? You must have some insights that are escaping me. If it's a technical thing, I'd, honestly, be interested in hearing about it because I can't understand how moving backwards would actually help.
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Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
But they have the source code. They don't need to go back to anything. They extend existing functionality. They add new functionality. They refactor. That's what refactoring is all about. He specifically mentions that in the video. Isn't it? Maybe I missed something.
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The engine in use now has very little to do with CE3. It is a completely overhauled version build almost from scratch. It is already doing what CR wants and it can deliver much more.
He very well may have a legal obligation I dont know because I dont know what you are talking about but its STILL not intentional deceptive, regardless of what his legal obligations are
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I think a few of the people in this thread are only here to cause a ruckus and dont give a crap about this game or company.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
It was @jcrg99 and I quote:
It does not matter that he is being "intentionally" deceptive. He has the legal responsibility of not been deceptive. And he was, he is and will continue to be.
Unfortunately it's fairly nonsensical so it's difficult to tell what the hell he's even saying. So I'll give SEAN a pass on it.
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No problem. I share with you by the 100th time. Maybe one day you quit the ignorance or the need to be blind to believe in whatever dream you have, and accept to educate yourself about real life:
https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/advertising-marketing-internet-rules-road
The Federal Trade Commission Act allows the FTC to act in the interest of all consumers to prevent deceptive and unfair acts or practices. In interpreting Section 5 of the Act, the Commission has determined that a representation, omission or practice is deceptive if it is likely to: