Simply stop responding to, quoting, and arguing with detractors. Believe me, I know a thing or two about stirring up a hornets nest. I'm also a fan of StarCitizen but I feel no compulsion to argue with the folks who post bad things about the game.
If you don't respond, the conversation ends and you can go on to other more positive discussions. It's OK to have different opinions on a game. It's OK that they vent about the game, or Chris Roberts or anything else. Just let it go... and let it fade away. Every response and attempt to argue just adds more kindling to the fire and keeps it going longer.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Simply stop responding to, quoting, and arguing with detractors. Believe me, I know a thing or two about stirring up a hornets nest. I'm also a fan of StarCitizen but I feel no compulsion to argue with the folks who post bad things about the game.
If you don't respond, the conversation ends and you can go on to other more positive discussions. It's OK to have different opinions on a game. It's OK that they vent about the game, or Chris Roberts or anything else. Just let it go... and let it fade away. Every response and attempt to argue just adds more kindling to the fire and keeps it going longer.
Like any good fire there is always embers just lurking below the surface waiting to reignite the blaze
I asked for an official source... you know one that can be independently verified? Not some article quoting anonymous sources. So all of your information comes from an Escapist article with sources that could have been Santa Clause or Napoleon for all we know? An actual CryTek Engineer wouldn't have any issue putting his name on any comments like this. It happens all of the time in the game industry. I'm still waiting for an OFFICIAL SOURCE.
Bren
They were not anonymous sources. It's just that The Escapist did not tell who they are to the public, but they know who were those people... and did not tell for obvious reasons.
The same/similar obvious reasons that would prevent an actual Crytek Engineer of publicly stating that his engine is not capable of something or would be impossible for the engine that he works to provide, if money and time was given for research.... and you say: "It happens all of the time in the game industry" Are you nuts?
Ah. Ok. It's clear now that you are just delusional.
I ask again.
are you refering to specifically this statement when you say he is being intentionally decipective
And I add more. He intentionally deceived people, promising to release the full game on or before the estimate delivery date and in a worst case scenario, an year later
because I am saying that is NOT an example of being intentionally deceptive
That's because you decided to ignore all the statements/explanations that I added after what you copied and pasted above. And I tried to show you and asked you to do not ignore them, but you ignored two times already. Let's see if you will ignore a third:
You ignored that the deception, intentional, is not in the fact that he delayed, that he missed the date, but that he intentionally mislead people through false arguments, to accept a change, a raise in the scope (which is the official reason, according CIG, for the delay), under the premisse that it wouldn't cause delay, but instead, would make sure it to come faster. He intentionally lied to people, deceived them, stating that this was the case and people raising question about feature creep were wrong. He convinced people that they could vote yes, for a raise in the scope, under a false premise, and later, when he was running out of excuses, he just pretended that never said anything like that, and decided to tell to people that was "obvious" that it would take longer.
In other words, he admitted that it was obvious, but tell a different story in the past, to try to claim that those who were claiming that was obvious, were wrong.
In how many different forms I will have to explain that so you understand?
I asked for an official source... you know one that can be independently verified? Not some article quoting anonymous sources. So all of your information comes from an Escapist article with sources that could have been Santa Clause or Napoleon for all we know? An actual CryTek Engineer wouldn't have any issue putting his name on any comments like this. It happens all of the time in the game industry. I'm still waiting for an OFFICIAL SOURCE.
Bren
They were not anonymous sources. It's just that The Escapist did not tell who they are to the public, but they know who were those people... and did not tell for obvious reasons.
The same/similar obvious reasons that would prevent an actual Crytek Engineer of publicly stating that his engine is not capable of something or would be impossible for the engine that he works to provide, if money and time was given for research.... and you say: "It happens all of the time in the game industry" Are you nuts?
So no then... you do not have any real sources? They know who they are... are you serious? This is the Escapist we are talking about here. They are the National Inquirer of the gaming world.
I asked for an official source... you know one that can be independently verified? Not some article quoting anonymous sources. So all of your information comes from an Escapist article with sources that could have been Santa Clause or Napoleon for all we know? An actual CryTek Engineer wouldn't have any issue putting his name on any comments like this. It happens all of the time in the game industry. I'm still waiting for an OFFICIAL SOURCE.
Bren
Why should they put out their names and ruin ever getting another job in the industry they went to school to work in? You're argument saying they are not or real actual sources is without merit.
If you refuse to accept that a company, paper, news channel is going to print report false stories and get sued over it then i guess you will never be able to believe anything you ever read.
Just to point out Roberts has not sued The Escapist and if hasn't by now that proves without a doubt the information is accurate.
Taking it one step further on all the stories on MMORPG am sure there may be one or two articles that reports with anonymous sources. I for one would believe them because of the integrity of the site.
I said I was done but just one more thing... I keep hearing it parroted that, "CryTek engineers said this couldn't be done!" Link the source please... an official CryTek source and not some obscure blog post if you don't mind.
Bren
It's never been done because it can't be done. - Several sources
Several sources? It's been a while but weren't there separate issues brought up by these folks? Some stating this, some stating that... I don't remember them all citing the same issues.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I could go and list more, but if Roberts haven't filed one lawsuit against Mr. Smart it is clear he has been telling the truth. Or Roberts has a serious problem allowing any of Roberts Space Industries having them self open to any depositions.
I could go and list more, but if Roberts haven't filed one lawsuit against Mr. Smart it is clear he has been telling the truth. Or Roberts has a serious problem allowing any of Roberts Space Industries having them self open to any depositions.
So CIG spending others people money without any accountability is OK?
Here's the thing, it's now CIG's money, which was donated to them to be used to make a game... how it's distributed is up to those in charge there (salaries)... They are accountable to use it properly, in order to complete said project. So yes it is okay for them to use that money... as long as they are doing right by those who donated. Otherwise they do open themselves up to legal action, which is what all of this hoopla has been about... the no accountability statement being thrown around over and over is pure bullocks.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I could go and list more, but if Roberts haven't filed one lawsuit against Mr. Smart it is clear he has been telling the truth. Or Roberts has a serious problem allowing any of Roberts Space Industries having them self open to any depositions.
Wait... if CIG is not sued or taken to court in some manner, all accusations are false.. AT least by your logic lmao.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I could go and list more, but if Roberts haven't filed one lawsuit against Mr. Smart it is clear he has been telling the truth. Or Roberts has a serious problem allowing any of Roberts Space Industries having them self open to any depositions.
Derek Smart threatens lawsuit nothing happens, Derek Smart and Super Best Friends bait Chris Roberts into filing/threatening to file lawsuit, nothing happens, chris roberts not doing the one thing means "something tangible", Derek Smart not doing the same one thing means "nothing tangible".
it doesn't get more obvious than this, lol
U should probably sleep on it, your semantic logical fallacies are getting sloppy, get some coffee pls Brenics, like nao
Just to point out Roberts has not sued The Escapist and if hasn't by now that proves without a doubt the information is accurate.
Now that is the finest example of Circular Reasoning I've ever seen. Bravo sir... Bravo! *Slow golf clap*
Bren
Say what you want if none of this is true or false allegations why hasn't Roberts Space Ind. filed any lawsuits?
If he has nothing to hide why no suits?
You keep looking in one direction, how about looking to the other side, unless of course nothing will sway you because you are clearly on the side of Roberts. Which at times is clearly where you may be.
I mean could you give me your real information so I can verify who you really are. < Hope you took that in the spirit of the argument.
Just to point out Roberts has not sued The Escapist and if hasn't by now that proves without a doubt the information is accurate.
Now that is the finest example of Circular Reasoning I've ever seen. Bravo sir... Bravo! *Slow golf clap*
Bren
Say what you want if none of this is true or false allegations why hasn't Roberts Space Ind. filed any lawsuits?
If he has nothing to hide why no suits?
You keep looking in one direction, how about looking to the other side, unless of course nothing will sway you because you are clearly on the side of Roberts. Which at times is clearly where you may be.
I mean could you give me your real information so I can verify who you really are. < Hope you took that in the spirit of the argument.
What do they gain by being bogged down in a legal proceeding? I guess if you're stuck to just one side you won't see the problem there... I don't think I've seen a poster wishing so hard for some negative outcome in all the time I've spent on these boards.. jeesh..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I could go and list more, but if Roberts haven't filed one lawsuit against Mr. Smart it is clear he has been telling the truth. Or Roberts has a serious problem allowing any of Roberts Space Industries having them self open to any depositions.
Wait... if CIG is not sued or taken to court in some manner, all accusations are false.. AT least by your logic lmao.
Yes you are right but there has been complaints leveled at them and we all know how the wheels of justice turns.
I could go and list more, but if Roberts haven't filed one lawsuit against Mr. Smart it is clear he has been telling the truth. Or Roberts has a serious problem allowing any of Roberts Space Industries having them self open to any depositions.
Wait... if CIG is not sued or taken to court in some manner, all accusations are false.. AT least by your logic lmao.
Yes you are right but there has been complaints leveled at them and we all know how the wheels of justice turns.
If wheel of justice do not turn against one party(chris roberts) they are "corrupt" right ?, but if they do not turn how Derek Smart wants them to turn out they are also "corrupt", doesn't by that reasoning what u imply mean chris roberts is guilty regardless how the wheels of justice turn or whether they're corrupt, chris roberts is simply guilty until proven innocent ad infinitum, but derek smart is not guilty until proven innocent ad infinitum ?
One system for whom i don't agree for, another for everyone else, thus implying the definition of corruption by default without contest ?
Why is this reminiscent of a totalitarian judiciary system ?
Just to point out Roberts has not sued The Escapist and if hasn't by now that proves without a doubt the information is accurate.
Now that is the finest example of Circular Reasoning I've ever seen. Bravo sir... Bravo! *Slow golf clap*
Bren
Say what you want if none of this is true or false allegations why hasn't Roberts Space Ind. filed any lawsuits?
If he has nothing to hide why no suits?
You keep looking in one direction, how about looking to the other side, unless of course nothing will sway you because you are clearly on the side of Roberts. Which at times is clearly where you may be.
I mean could you give me your real information so I can verify who you really are. < Hope you took that in the spirit of the argument.
What do they gain by being bogged down in a legal proceeding? I guess if you're stuck to just one side you won't see the problem there... I don't think I've seen a poster wishing so hard for some negative outcome in all the time I've spent on these boards.. jeesh..
Not at all I would love to see at least one full game come out of this, but clearly CR is still doing what he does best. Running things into the ground and what may end up hurting crowdfunding for real developers.
Seems everyone keeps missing the big picture here. It isn't about CR or DS it is about making games with support of the gamer's.
I could go and list more, but if Roberts haven't filed one lawsuit against Mr. Smart it is clear he has been telling the truth. Or Roberts has a serious problem allowing any of Roberts Space Industries having them self open to any depositions.
Wait... if CIG is not sued or taken to court in some manner, all accusations are false.. AT least by your logic lmao.
Yes you are right but there has been complaints leveled at them and we all know how the wheels of justice turns.
No I wasn't right...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I could go and list more, but if Roberts haven't filed one lawsuit against Mr. Smart it is clear he has been telling the truth. Or Roberts has a serious problem allowing any of Roberts Space Industries having them self open to any depositions.
Wait... if CIG is not sued or taken to court in some manner, all accusations are false.. AT least by your logic lmao.
Yes you are right but there has been complaints leveled at them and we all know how the wheels of justice turns.
Just to point out Roberts has not sued The Escapist and if hasn't by now that proves without a doubt the information is accurate.
Now that is the finest example of Circular Reasoning I've ever seen. Bravo sir... Bravo! *Slow golf clap*
Bren
Say what you want if none of this is true or false allegations why hasn't Roberts Space Ind. filed any lawsuits?
If he has nothing to hide why no suits?
You keep looking in one direction, how about looking to the other side, unless of course nothing will sway you because you are clearly on the side of Roberts. Which at times is clearly where you may be.
I mean could you give me your real information so I can verify who you really are. < Hope you took that in the spirit of the argument.
Maybe... Now I know this may sound outlandish for a game designer to do ... But just maybe he's to busy making a game right now and sees all of this drama as a huge waste of his time? Maybe he doesn't want to waste a large chunk of crowd funded money on litigation that could drag out for years? (Not his fault it's just the pace of the "Swift" court system in the US.)
I'm not on the side of Roberts... I do like the game he is proposing I will admit that but your side of the argument has yet to provide someone like myself with any tangible verifiable proof that anything you say is true. When you can do that I may take your side. I want proof not anonymous sources and fairy tales.
What do they gain by being bogged down in a legal proceeding? I guess if you're stuck to just one side you won't see the problem there... I don't think I've seen a poster wishing so hard for some negative outcome in all the time I've spent on these boards.. jeesh..
Not at all I would love to see at least one full game come out of this, but clearly CR is still doing what he does best. Running things into the ground and what may end up hurting crowdfunding for real developers.
Seems everyone keeps missing the big picture here. It isn't about CR or DS it is about making games with support of the gamer's.
Whether or not CR is doing what u imagine he does best is irrelevant, just by attempting to do what he is doing is enough to make the whole point mute, whether he is running things into the ground and what may end up hurting crowdfunding for real developers is inconsequential.
And the big picture is the inverted of what you are presenting the big picture as
Comments
Simply stop responding to, quoting, and arguing with detractors. Believe me, I know a thing or two about stirring up a hornets nest. I'm also a fan of StarCitizen but I feel no compulsion to argue with the folks who post bad things about the game.
If you don't respond, the conversation ends and you can go on to other more positive discussions. It's OK to have different opinions on a game. It's OK that they vent about the game, or Chris Roberts or anything else. Just let it go... and let it fade away. Every response and attempt to argue just adds more kindling to the fire and keeps it going longer.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
I mean SC, not this argument.
That's because you decided to ignore all the statements/explanations that I added after what you copied and pasted above. And I tried to show you and asked you to do not ignore them, but you ignored two times already. Let's see if you will ignore a third:
You ignored that the deception, intentional, is not in the fact that he delayed, that he missed the date, but that he intentionally mislead people through false arguments, to accept a change, a raise in the scope (which is the official reason, according CIG, for the delay), under the premisse that it wouldn't cause delay, but instead, would make sure it to come faster. He intentionally lied to people, deceived them, stating that this was the case and people raising question about feature creep were wrong. He convinced people that they could vote yes, for a raise in the scope, under a false premise, and later, when he was running out of excuses, he just pretended that never said anything like that, and decided to tell to people that was "obvious" that it would take longer.
In other words, he admitted that it was obvious, but tell a different story in the past, to try to claim that those who were claiming that was obvious, were wrong.
In how many different forms I will have to explain that so you understand?
Bren
while(horse==dead)
{
beat();
}
For your reading and learning pleasure.
http://handbook.reuters.com/?title=The_Essentials_of_Reuters_sourcing
If you refuse to accept that a company, paper, news channel is going to print report false stories and get sued over it then i guess you will never be able to believe anything you ever read.
Just to point out Roberts has not sued The Escapist and if hasn't by now that proves without a doubt the information is accurate.
Taking it one step further on all the stories on MMORPG am sure there may be one or two articles that reports with anonymous sources. I for one would believe them because of the integrity of the site.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Bren
while(horse==dead)
{
beat();
}
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/10/06/star-citizen-dev-threatens-the-escapist-with-lawsuit-over-slanderous-article/
http://techraptor.net/content/star-citizen-lawsuits-and-journalism-ethics
I could go and list more, but if Roberts haven't filed one lawsuit against Mr. Smart it is clear he has been telling the truth. Or Roberts has a serious problem allowing any of Roberts Space Industries having them self open to any depositions.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Bren
while(horse==dead)
{
beat();
}
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
it doesn't get more obvious than this, lol
U should probably sleep on it, your semantic logical fallacies are getting sloppy, get some coffee pls Brenics, like nao
If he has nothing to hide why no suits?
You keep looking in one direction, how about looking to the other side, unless of course nothing will sway you because you are clearly on the side of Roberts. Which at times is clearly where you may be.
I mean could you give me your real information so I can verify who you really are. < Hope you took that in the spirit of the argument.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
One system for whom i don't agree for, another for everyone else, thus implying the definition of corruption by default without contest ?
Why is this reminiscent of a totalitarian judiciary system ?
Seems everyone keeps missing the big picture here. It isn't about CR or DS it is about making games with support of the gamer's.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
I'm not on the side of Roberts... I do like the game he is proposing I will admit that but your side of the argument has yet to provide someone like myself with any tangible verifiable proof that anything you say is true. When you can do that I may take your side. I want proof not anonymous sources and fairy tales.
Bren
while(horse==dead)
{
beat();
}
And the big picture is the inverted of what you are presenting the big picture as