I gotta say that's a pretty shaky corporate structure if they are feeling pressured by some internet drama. I mean Chris did create the drama cause he can't stop running his mouth but again they didn't go with a big publisher to avoid being pressured into doing things. So why do they feel pressure unless it's because they realize even the hardcore fans are starting to smell the bs?
No, the pressure of this drama campaigns that are meant to keep SM as an ongoing drama, everywhere, from random internet forums as this, to social media and gaming media. It's meant to make it look that this is a massive player outrage against CIG because of SM or something. lol
On the actual Backer Community of the game, it's clear that the big majority of the backers are not bothered by SM not being released yet. In fact, i see people (including me) bothered is in how CIG has dealt with the whole SM delays situation, the communication was just awful and dragged an situation they could have been upfront from the start.
Maybe because they kick out and refund anyone who isn't happy. I mean come on already. The man said 5 weeks and its 14 months later. Yea I guess what he says doesn't matter to you.
LOL politicians say that all the time! I love when they go majority of Americans are against this or that. Yet nothing to back that up. You're not a politician are you.
Also you don't have a poll that shows you are right in that statement do you?
Okay let's try to check in with the Backers to know then? Created this about 1-2h ago to see:
Here you go the poll as you just requested where the majority that replied up until now says themselves not bothered by SM being still un-released.
Still doesn't have that much votes but we can wait as it reaches hundreds and we can have a clearer picture of how much do the backers actually care about this.
69 votes.. Well then this is proof written in stone.
It was just created, give it some time.
Would you have a better poll that would counter this one's output? After all we're talking about the Backers of this game and their standing on this specific matter.
LOL politicians say that all the time! I love when they go majority of Americans are against this or that. Yet nothing to back that up. You're not a politician are you.
Also you don't have a poll that shows you are right in that statement do you?
Okay let's try to check in with the Backers to know then? Created this about 1-2h ago to see:
Here you go the poll as you just requested where the majority that replied up until now says themselves not bothered by SM being still un-released.
Still doesn't have that much votes but we can wait as it reaches hundreds and we can have a clearer picture of how much do the backers actually care about this.
23% of the people who are still left. Like I said anyone who shows they are unhappy get banned from CIG's forums. But that is still a lot of people. Maybe you should ask if they are bothered that Chris said 5 weeks and its 14 months later. Or further analyze it and realize that Chris probably flat out lied to keep backers quiet and content. They did this to buy time for PU release and that would cause players to settle down and well they did.
23% of the people who are still left. Like I said anyone who shows they are unhappy get banned from CIG's forums.
My claim stands, i said the majority of the backers are not bothered, and so they aren't. I attempted to back up my own claim and decided to collect feedback on it from the backers.
No, I can't be bothered to try to convince people by presenting them absolutely meaningless numbers.
But hey nice that 75% of the people on a forum say they aren't bothered. I'm sure the thousands of people outside of the forum feel the same.
Exactly exactly... Because words said by random people on random forums on the internet mean more! Oh dear! That is the output of the poll on the official forums where the backers are free to give their input if they wish.
Unless i am presented with proof that the majority of the backers of this game is indeed bothered by the SM delay, it stand to my claim. Go justify a minority taking a vote and deciding the opinion of the majority that usually doesn't attend to the vote, reminds me of current Democracy.
23% of the people who are still left. Like I said anyone who shows they are unhappy get banned from CIG's forums.
My claim stands, i said the majority of the backers are not bothered, and so they aren't. I attempted to back up my own claim and decided to collect feedback on it from the backers.
69 votes I wouldn't really be going around saying majority backers. You would be laughed out of the room if you tried to defend those numbers
Yes, please do. Also, don't forget to charge back any purchase that you're unhappy with. In the end, it goes towards improving society and improving honesty and fairness.
Maybe in Canada you have to bend over and take it in the ass, and you are used to that, but in the US, pre-release software can ALWAYS be charged back. It is by definition, an incomplete product.
And lol at "honesty and fairness", honesty and fairness is doing what you say, when you say you will. SC is how long past its supposed release date? That alone is enough for chargeback, as is missing features that were advertised, of which there are several at this point.
So, charging back in regards to SC is fully legitimate at this point, no matter how much you boosters wish it was not.
That's why I am encouraging it. Nobody should take it in the ass, which is why I think people should chargeback whatever they aren't happy with. I mean plenty of experts on here who clearly have more knowledge and experience on the topic have acknowledged that there are no negative consequences that could come from it.
69 votes I wouldn't really be going around saying majority backers. You would be laughed out of the room if you tried to defend those numbers
Laugh ahead, i shall also laugh as people attack the poll yet don't present anything else to counter it.
Informative Moment: When it comes to elections everybody does polls to collect the overall outcome of the final results, and they are done with just a small fraction of the total of voters at the end, don't they? Yet they usually represent the global opinion decently accurately, don't they? I don't see much to laugh on. ^^
69 votes I wouldn't really be going around saying majority backers. You would be laughed out of the room if you tried to defend those numbers
Laugh ahead, i shall also laugh as people attack the poll yet don't present anything else to counter it.
Informative Moment: When it comes to elections everybody does polls to collect the overall outcome of the final results, and they are done with just a small fraction of the total of voters at the end, don't they? Yet they usually represent the global opinion decently accurately, don't they? I don't see much to laugh on. ^^
How about the fact that your poll is being conducted in the middle of a CIG fanclub. Its like asking people at the republican convention if they are going to vote for Hillary. Then boasting because 95% of them said no. You are missing a ton of backers who left because of disgust and who have been banned from forums for voicing their opinions. The very fact that 22% of the current backers proves that the overwhelming majority would be unhappy if they were allowed to remain or ever bothered to look back. Also you have worded your question a little jaded on top of it. I don't think mmorpg would allow such a poll otherwise I would do it here and then you would see.
Bias your question a little more. Should of left out the last part because that is nothing more then a softener to throw off the voters.
How about the fact that your poll is being conducted in the middle of a CIG fanclub.
How about your own bias? Oh dear you have to attack the backers of this game with an opinion different than yours to make a point? Your point is that the official community of Star Citizen is full of people who like Star Citizen? Wow, who would have imagined?!
So the place to make a poll to get input from the SC Backers is not on the SC Community where all the backers are registered, gotcha!
You know what? Go Ahead! Keep attacking the poll and the people who are voting on the poll instead of presenting proof or facts to counter it..
69 votes I wouldn't really be going around saying majority backers. You would be laughed out of the room if you tried to defend those numbers
Laugh ahead, i shall also laugh as people attack the poll yet don't present anything else to counter it.
Informative Moment: When it comes to elections everybody does polls to collect the overall outcome of the final results, and they are done with just a small fraction of the total of voters at the end, don't they? Yet they usually represent the global opinion decently accurately, don't they? I don't see much to laugh on. ^^
I will laugh because congratulations you successfully polled ~0.00008% of backers and ~0.00006% of them said yes.
I will laugh because congratulations you successfully polled ~0.00008% of backers and ~0.00006% of them said yes.
And i laugh at the desperate attempts to discard everything that does not fit your own bias, views and opinions.
I'm here waiting for you to prove my claim wrong, prove that it is the majority not a minority of the backers of SC that are bothered by the SM delays and care about it. I at least went through some effort to back up my point, however you are more focused into attack it on any way possible than counter it.
I will laugh because congratulations you successfully polled ~0.00008% of backers and ~0.00006% of them said yes.
And i laugh at the desperate attempts to discard everything that does not fit your own bias, views and opinions.
I'm here waiting for you to prove my claim wrong, prove that it is the majority not a minority of the backers of SC that are bothered by the SM delays and care about it.
I already disproved it. Using 0.00008% of the community is not a representative number and for you to claim the majority aren't bothered by it is laughable. If you came in here with statistics that would mean anything then I would agree with you provided they support your claim. As it stands right now it's like you took 3 people, saw 1 is a man and 2 are women's and declared that the world population is 33.3% men and 66.6% women.
It's not really a desperate attempt on my part when you throw up piss poor numbers and declare that you're right.
I will laugh because congratulations you successfully polled ~0.00008% of backers and ~0.00006% of them said yes.
And i laugh at the desperate attempts to discard everything that does not fit your own bias, views and opinions.
I'm here waiting for you to prove my claim wrong, prove that it is the majority not a minority of the backers of SC that are bothered by the SM delays and care about it. I at least went through some effort to back up my point, however you are more focused into attack it on any way possible than counter it.
I think you could find them if you did this poll over at the something awful website...
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
I already disproved it. Using 0.00008% of the community is not a representative number and for you to claim the majority aren't bothered by it is laughable. If you came in here with statistics that would mean anything then I would agree with you provided they support your claim. As it stands right now it's like you took 3 people, saw 1 is a man and 2 are women's and declared that the world population is 33.3% men and 66.6% women.
It's not really a desperate attempt on my part when you throw up piss poor numbers and declare that you're right.
I refuse it because you're being bias even on logic here.
You know what polls are? They are made from small fractions from the whole to determine the outcome, they are usually decently representative of the global. You're completely ignoring this.
If you reach up the SC's Backer community and do a poll to get the overall opinion. The same way the poll that asked the community if they should do more Stretch Goals was done, only part of the community gave their input.
I think you could find them if you did this poll over at the something awful website...
But of course the best place to do an poll to get the opinion of the backers on X matter, is not the official SC community... May i recommend Smart's forum as well?
Btw those places are full of people who got refunds, they are no longer backers.
What year will it come out though Babuinix? Looks like CIG might be the last people to market with their space game. The longer they take the more they will have to redo as it won't be state of the art anymore, it might even be 'yesterday's tech'.
The games industry isnt exactly standing still waiting to get handed it's ass.
By the time SC gets released, Elite will have had 2-3 full SEASONS of content, NMS will have had major upgrades, Andromeda will be out and expanded on, plus the 10 games we don't even know about yet will have been released.
Squadron 42 will most likely release in 2017 , Star Citizen a couple of years later.
As "competition" Star Citizen fears no one. Elite is a small niche game and that will never change. It will just keep releasing small meaningfull updates (power play, horizons, engineers) to cater to the space trucking old-timers. NMS just released and already accomplished and unthinkable feat. To beat Elite in the Most Boring Space Sim Ever Award.
COD: Infinity, Mass Effect: Andromeda and whatever big publishers can think of will fall short, as they always do.
The only studio with the ability and adventurousness to rival CIG scope and ambition are Rockstar. Maybe they take GTA VI to space who knows.
Going by what you originally said is wrong. You made it sound like the poll was already taken. I think that is the whole problem on both sides. People keep making statements when they clearly have nothing to back it up.
It's also like the poll I read Chris Roberts took and said majority of backers agreed to extend the game with amazing additions that are (what I have read) not in game yet.
Problem I see is neither side can really say how the game is, if on right track or if Chris Roberts is a genius or idiot on how the game is being made. Guess all anyone can do is wait for Citizencom and see what if anything is really new.
Sometimes it's not always about what you can see or hear but what's under the hood of a game that's most impressive. Between those thousands and thousands of lines of code, magic happens. Sometimes the most amazing feats of gaming wizardry happen without you even noticing.
What year will it come out though Babuinix? Looks like CIG might be the last people to market with their space game. The longer they take the more they will have to redo as it won't be state of the art anymore, it might even be 'yesterday's tech'.
The games industry isnt exactly standing still waiting to get handed it's ass.
By the time SC gets released, Elite will have had 2-3 full SEASONS of content, NMS will have had major upgrades, Andromeda will be out and expanded on, plus the 10 games we don't even know about yet will have been released.
Squadron 42 will most likely release in 2017 , Star Citizen a couple of years later.
As "competition" Star Citizen fears no one. Elite is a small niche game and that will never change. It will just keep releasing small meaningfull updates (power play, horizons, engineers) to cater to the space trucking old-timers. NMS just released and already accomplished and unthinkable feat. To beat Elite in the Most Boring Space Sim Ever Award.
COD: Infinity, Mass Effect: Andromeda and whatever big publishers can think of will fall short, as they always do.
The only studio with the ability and adventurousness to rival CIG scope and ambition are Rockstar. Maybe they take GTA VI to space who knows.
Youre worng. I said it before SC is already dated and Elite is a working released game not promises and dreams. Whether they release 'boring' content or not it is still actual PLAYABLE content.
Now of course SC will make more money than them even without releasing because that is apparently the business model and a profitable one, but eventually they will have to release something. THEN we can debate it.
But as I have also said I dont think anyone really wants to play SC anyway. A brand new update to the tech demo which supposedly were going to add a lot of stuff and its the same 8 or 9 guys streaming it with the same 250-300 people watching them. Which has been the norm for the past 15 months.
The only time I saw a rise in streamers and viewers was the very first free weekend that coincided with an update and a bunch of free ships for players and even then it wasnt like alot of people were interested.
For a project that has raised a billion dollars and has a trillion followers it is the deadest game I have seen in my life. if it werent for this site and Smarts antics I dont thin anyone would give two shits about it.
Oh Rockstar. Yeah. The games where beating people to death is the solution to most gameplay challenges :-) they really are the kings of emergent gameplay.
Going by what you originally said is wrong. You made it sound like the poll was already taken. I think that is the whole problem on both sides. People keep making statements when they clearly have nothing to back it up.
It's also like the poll I read Chris Roberts took and said majority of backers agreed to extend the game with amazing additions that are (what I have read) not in game yet.
The poll was for the continuity of stretch goals overall, not specifically implying anything over it.
Anyway my claim as you asked, was that i was just making the claim out of hot air, so i created the poll. I made the claim before it because i do belong as any other backer to this community and on a topic that has been discussed countless times and beaten up do death it's not hard to get to the conclusion of the overall feelings of the community towards it. Unlike SM, the topics that backers are really bothered with are things like HOTA's & controller balance.
Also on Chris Roberts being a genius or an idiot, why not human? I'm not sure why we have to play on everything by extremes, or SC is the best game ever or it's the worse game ever, can't it be just a good game? At least that's what i want from it.
How about the fact that your poll is being conducted in the middle of a CIG fanclub.
How about your own bias? Oh dear you have to attack the backers of this game with an opinion different than yours to make a point? Your point is that the official community of Star Citizen is full of people who like Star Citizen? Wow, who would have imagined?!
So the place to make a poll to get input from the SC Backers is not on the SC Community where all the backers are registered, gotcha!
You know what? Go Ahead! Keep attacking the poll and the people who are voting on the poll instead of presenting proof or facts to counter it..
IDK why you cannot see that most of the people who would vote Yes are already gone from the forums. The poll is biased because you have placed it in the middle of the people who keep drinking and loving that koolaid. You act like they don't ban people who disagree with CIG on the forums. Which is why noone is able to ask the question about the 5 weeks and noone has gotten an answer. Because asking such a question would get the thread deleted and the account banned.
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Here you go the poll as you just requested where the majority that replied up until now says themselves not bothered by SM being still un-released.
Still doesn't have that much votes but we can wait as it reaches hundreds and we can have a clearer picture of how much do the backers actually care about this.
Well then this is proof written in stone.
Would you have a better poll that would counter this one's output? After all we're talking about the Backers of this game and their standing on this specific matter.
But hey nice that 75% of the people on a forum say they aren't bothered.
I'm sure the thousands of people outside of the forum feel the same.
Exactly exactly... Because words said by random people on random forums on the internet mean more! Oh dear! That is the output of the poll on the official forums where the backers are free to give their input if they wish.
Unless i am presented with proof that the majority of the backers of this game is indeed bothered by the SM delay, it stand to my claim. Go justify a minority taking a vote and deciding the opinion of the majority that usually doesn't attend to the vote, reminds me of current Democracy.
That's why I am encouraging it. Nobody should take it in the ass, which is why I think people should chargeback whatever they aren't happy with. I mean plenty of experts on here who clearly have more knowledge and experience on the topic have acknowledged that there are no negative consequences that could come from it.
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Laugh ahead, i shall also laugh as people attack the poll yet don't present anything else to counter it.
Informative Moment: When it comes to elections everybody does polls to collect the overall outcome of the final results, and they are done with just a small fraction of the total of voters at the end, don't they? Yet they usually represent the global opinion decently accurately, don't they? I don't see much to laugh on. ^^
Bias your question a little more. Should of left out the last part because that is nothing more then a softener to throw off the voters.
So the place to make a poll to get input from the SC Backers is not on the SC Community where all the backers are registered, gotcha!
You know what? Go Ahead! Keep attacking the poll and the people who are voting on the poll instead of presenting proof or facts to counter it..
I'm here waiting for you to prove my claim wrong, prove that it is the majority not a minority of the backers of SC that are bothered by the SM delays and care about it. I at least went through some effort to back up my point, however you are more focused into attack it on any way possible than counter it.
I already disproved it. Using 0.00008% of the community is not a representative number and for you to claim the majority aren't bothered by it is laughable. If you came in here with statistics that would mean anything then I would agree with you provided they support your claim. As it stands right now it's like you took 3 people, saw 1 is a man and 2 are women's and declared that the world population is 33.3% men and 66.6% women.
It's not really a desperate attempt on my part when you throw up piss poor numbers and declare that you're right.
I think you could find them if you did this poll over at the something awful website...
You know what polls are? They are made from small fractions from the whole to determine the outcome, they are usually decently representative of the global. You're completely ignoring this.
If you reach up the SC's Backer community and do a poll to get the overall opinion. The same way the poll that asked the community if they should do more Stretch Goals was done, only part of the community gave their input.
Btw those places are full of people who got refunds, they are no longer backers.
As "competition" Star Citizen fears no one. Elite is a small niche game and that will never change. It will just keep releasing small meaningfull updates (power play, horizons, engineers) to cater to the space trucking old-timers. NMS just released and already accomplished and unthinkable feat. To beat Elite in the Most Boring Space Sim Ever Award.
COD: Infinity, Mass Effect: Andromeda and whatever big publishers can think of will fall short, as they always do.
The only studio with the ability and adventurousness to rival CIG scope and ambition are Rockstar.
Maybe they take GTA VI to space who knows.
It's also like the poll I read Chris Roberts took and said majority of backers agreed to extend the game with amazing additions that are (what I have read) not in game yet.
Problem I see is neither side can really say how the game is, if on right track or if Chris Roberts is a genius or idiot on how the game is being made. Guess all anyone can do is wait for Citizencom and see what if anything is really new.
Rob Manuel
Now of course SC will make more money than them even without releasing because that is apparently the business model and a profitable one, but eventually they will have to release something. THEN we can debate it.
But as I have also said I dont think anyone really wants to play SC anyway. A brand new update to the tech demo which supposedly were going to add a lot of stuff and its the same 8 or 9 guys streaming it with the same 250-300 people watching them. Which has been the norm for the past 15 months.
The only time I saw a rise in streamers and viewers was the very first free weekend that coincided with an update and a bunch of free ships for players and even then it wasnt like alot of people were interested.
For a project that has raised a billion dollars and has a trillion followers it is the deadest game I have seen in my life. if it werent for this site and Smarts antics I dont thin anyone would give two shits about it.
Anyway my claim as you asked, was that i was just making the claim out of hot air, so i created the poll. I made the claim before it because i do belong as any other backer to this community and on a topic that has been discussed countless times and beaten up do death it's not hard to get to the conclusion of the overall feelings of the community towards it. Unlike SM, the topics that backers are really bothered with are things like HOTA's & controller balance.
Also on Chris Roberts being a genius or an idiot, why not human? I'm not sure why we have to play on everything by extremes, or SC is the best game ever or it's the worse game ever, can't it be just a good game? At least that's what i want from it.