With everything I have read about this game, I have to say I agree 1000% with you on how the game is being represented. It really does seem like a very few people are keeping the hype on the game alive. In fact I believe if it wasn't for the few people on this site the game would actually be dead. Also that Smart guy is the one really keeping it alive which I think is hilarious.
Going to be interesting if this game does ever release.
Yeah I watch a lot of streams or at least have them on in the background and even when they have these 'what are you looking forward to' panel type discussions SC is never mentioned. No Man Sky which is the new thing but a single player game gets more mentions. (as does anything new or different) I dont think have ever heard any mention of SC whatsoever in over a year. Even from the space oriented guys who do EVE and Elite.
It goes with what I say about MMOs in general and especially this one because they take forever to make and this one is going to take even longer than that (if you can in fact go longer than forever). Even reading this thread and a few others even the few guys here who still champion are changing their time tables.
But obviously anything new and with little to critique or go on will be the best thing ever, its the nature of the beast. But even so there are plenty of things to draw a base comparison to in terms of what is available and who is playing it. Star Citizen just doesnt seem to be anything. Again if not for the 'press' hype, the Derek Smart attacks or the few guys here who can advertise everything little thing they do for free I doubt anyone would even know it existed. Thats pretty crazy for a project that has done what this one has claimed to do over the past 4 or 5 years.
I'm still looking for the millions of threads about this topic.
We have already established before that you maybe are not very good at finding things ;-)
Have fun
So not actually millions of threads and you are just trying to misdirect. Gotcha
LOL yea with a million threads about this topic you would think they would be able to just cut/paste the answer. Oh wait we still don't have an answer.
It really does seem like a very few people are keeping the hype on the game alive. In fact I believe if it wasn't for the few people on this site the game would actually be dead.
Without the people attacking the game, call it haters, goons, salty people, whatever... there wouldn't be people countering it either. Means the discussion would be completely one-sided. People love to use expensive words to avoid the fact that one side doesn't exist without the other.
Star Citizen must be the only game in the world, where no such thing as haters exist...
It really does seem like a very few people are keeping the hype on the game alive. In fact I believe if it wasn't for the few people on this site the game would actually be dead.
Without the people attacking the game, call it haters, goons, salty people, whatever... there wouldn't be people countering it either. Means the discussion would be completely one-sided. People love to use expensive words to avoid the fact that one side doesn't exist without the other.
Star Citizen must be the only game in the world, where no such thing as haters exist...
Thats the irony if it werent for the negativity no one would know this thing was actually still being developed.
Like I said I watch Twitch or have it going every single day for 5-8 hours on average in my offices and despite that being a GAMING community not a single streamer or comment has said anything about SC for as long as I can remember. I hadnt heard a thing about Star Citizen until I decided to open MMORPG.com up and see what was new.Which is still nothing (with any of the over hyped games this place focuses on).
So its either this site or the people who come here.
I just know that some of the games with the biggest player bases and most ACTUAL hype are games that werent mentioned here at all. ARK had sold 2+ million copies, given away 6 figures in prize money and had 9at the time) about 50K people playing it at any given time before this place even mentioned it, and then it was months after that before it even got its own forum. The excuse at the time was 'it wasnt an MMO' which we all know was hogwash because 90% of the games here arent MMOs either.
Either way to get back on sort of a track... SC is as non existent to gamers as any 'most ambitious MMO ever made' could possibly be.
Thats the irony if it werent for the negativity no one would know this thing was actually still being developed.
Star Citizen is a space sim, as Elite Dangerous, they appeal to one audience that is not the main-stream audience. Unlike casual space games now like No Man's Sky meant for main-stream audience and the typical MMO's we're used to.
It's still the most ambitious MMO ever made, it is pushing towards what nobody ever done before on an actual MMO experience, now by far it means that the main-stream MMO community will want to play a space sim.
Just see how hell it went for Elite on steam going for a trailer that gave the vibe the game was more casual and action based... Only resulted on a mob of salty people on the reviews / forums. It's best to not appeal much to the mainstream audience if you're not a casual game.
It really does seem like a very few people are keeping the hype on the game alive. In fact I believe if it wasn't for the few people on this site the game would actually be dead.
Without the people attacking the game, call it haters, goons, salty people, whatever... there wouldn't be people countering it either. Means the discussion would be completely one-sided. People love to use expensive words to avoid the fact that one side doesn't exist without the other.
Star Citizen must be the only game in the world, where no such thing as haters exist...
Thing is people like me who are just investigating the game at least in my mind it seems to me people like you are making the game look like a complete disaster. I hate to say it but it seems like the others have more profound points yet get attacked over it. Just ends up leaving a bad taste to the game overall! At least that is how it is looking to me.
Sometimes it's not always about what you can see or hear but what's under the hood of a game that's most impressive. Between those thousands and thousands of lines of code, magic happens. Sometimes the most amazing feats of gaming wizardry happen without you even noticing.
Thing is people like me who are just investigating the game at least in my mind it seems to me people like you are making the game look like a complete disaster. I hate to say it but it seems like the others have more profound points yet get attacked over it. Just ends up leaving a bad taste to the game overall! At least that is how it is looking to me.
Points? You mean speculation like this thread is all about on things nobody knows the real answer for? Or like the other threads where SM is used to justify any statement? Most of the posts are meant to attack CIG and its employees, nothing else, or are meant to talk about the SC Backers and not about SC as well.
Actual game discussion is almost non-existent here, and even if you try to have one, the discussion will be derailed to discuss "why X makes CIG the worst company in the world" or "CR is a liar" or "SC is a scam" or "<input typical argument here>".
It's always the same loop, anything will have to be put as negative otherwise it's bad. This is a loop that NEVER ends, threads like this are the perfect circular discussion.
You can't have any factual discussion, if there is information towards X matter, it will be discarded because "CR is a liar so you're wrong"... And those are the profound points?!
Thing is people like me who are just investigating the game at least in my mind it seems to me people like you are making the game look like a complete disaster. I hate to say it but it seems like the others have more profound points yet get attacked over it. Just ends up leaving a bad taste to the game overall! At least that is how it is looking to me.
Points? You mean speculation like this thread is all about on things nobody knows the real answer for? Or like the other threads where SM is used to justify any statement? Most of the posts are meant to attack CIG and its employees, nothing else, or are meant to talk about the SC Backers and not about SC as well.
Actual game discussion is almost non-existent here, and even if you try to have one, the discussion will be derailed to discuss "why X makes CIG the worst company in the world" or "CR is a liar" or "SC is a scam" or "<input typical argument here>".
It's always the same loop, anything will have to be put as negative otherwise it's bad. This is a loop that NEVER ends, threads like this are the perfect circular discussion.
You can't have any factual discussion, if there is information towards X matter, it will be discarded because "CR is a liar so you're wrong"... And those are the profound points?!
Yet isn't that what all us gamers do is speculate on how the game is going to be or when it will release. Like I stated and it really is sad that people like you are giving the game a bad rep and it does point out the real problems with the game development. I mean who would want to play alongside people that attack anything that isn't all flowery and beautiful with the game.
When wow was in development and released there was major problems with it, yet the posts about the problems took center stage and ended up giving us a better game. My point would be if a game is being silenced of all issues and problems it will make people like me turn away and never think of playing the game once it does release and or gets better.
Now that reminds me to go level up my Paladin!
Sometimes it's not always about what you can see or hear but what's under the hood of a game that's most impressive. Between those thousands and thousands of lines of code, magic happens. Sometimes the most amazing feats of gaming wizardry happen without you even noticing.
It really does seem like a very few people are keeping the hype on the game alive. In fact I believe if it wasn't for the few people on this site the game would actually be dead.
Without the people attacking the game, call it haters, goons, salty people, whatever... there wouldn't be people countering it either. Means the discussion would be completely one-sided. People love to use expensive words to avoid the fact that one side doesn't exist without the other.
Star Citizen must be the only game in the world, where no such thing as haters exist...
Thing is people like me who are just investigating the game at least in my mind it seems to me people like you are making the game look like a complete disaster. I hate to say it but it seems like the others have more profound points yet get attacked over it. Just ends up leaving a bad taste to the game overall! At least that is how it is looking to me.
This comment go-round used to happen in the exact same manner in the Star Citizen thread on Frontier's forums, we have posters here who used to be very energetic in those threads as well.
Without the responses and denials and finger pointing half of these threads would run out of fuel in a very short time - it seems some people enjoy the drama more than they would like to let on.
It's funny that people are getting trash talked for speculating.
You should think the guy who missed the deadline by over a year should give us a clear answer but no... it's the guys wondering what happened who deserve criticism.
Yet isn't that what all us gamers do is speculate on how the game is going to be or when it will release. Like I stated and it really is sad that people like you are giving the game a bad rep and it does point out the real problems with the game development. I mean who would want to play alongside people that attack anything that isn't all flowery and beautiful with the game.
When wow was in development and released there was major problems with it, yet the posts about the problems took center stage and ended up giving us a better game. My point would be if a game is being silenced of all issues and problems it will make people like me turn away and never think of playing the game once it does release and or gets better.
Now that reminds me to go level up my Paladin!
Oh no that's not the problem, it's not about talking about problems. It's about stating YOUR opinions as the FACTS, when they are not. Everybody has their own opinions of the same situation, yet in places like this opinions are the facts is what i don't get why is it constantly being put like that.
I do am aware the development of SC is no bed of flowers, i never defended it was, have my own gripes and did my own critics, YET there's quite the jump between that and going on rampages against CIG and its developers attacking them for anything like some people are dedicated to do, in fact, the only thing they do.
Back the the opinions as facts, specially when this falls upon speculation, it falls on mis-information.
Back the the opinions as facts, specially when this falls upon speculation, it falls on mis-information.
No one has the fact including Roberts apparently since there has yet to be a single item they have talked about that hasnt been changed or redone in some way shape or form for various reasons (generally not their own fault). So asking for actual facts is an impossibility. And really what lies at the crux of all the criticisms with this game in the first place. You can never ever get a straight answer out of them. Most supporters will claim the 'its a game and changes are inevitable' argument but after awhile thats just ridiculous eventually something has to come around.
even now that they have actually (apparently) been scared into actually releasing updates the updates are menial and minimal at best. Certainly nothing earth shattering.
When was the last time this project released something People could actually experience themselves (and not some CG or cinematic trailer that is clearly not representative of what can actually be played) that was even impressive let alone earth shattering.
It certainly doesnt exist in that tech demo test bed theyre calling an alpha because if it did there would be more than a few dozen people playing in there.
It's funny that people are getting trash talked for speculating.
You should think the guy who missed the deadline by over a year should give us a clear answer but no... it's the guys wondering what happened who deserve criticism.
There has been answers. Some people just decided to not accept them.
What people here are asking is pretty much an answer that will likely imply disclosure of the contract between CIG and another company they outsourced a project from. If that didn't happen before, i won't happen now.
You can cry one ocean of salty tears about it, but it changes nothing.
It's funny that people are getting trash talked for speculating.
You should think the guy who missed the deadline by over a year should give us a clear answer but no... it's the guys wondering what happened who deserve criticism.
There has been answers. Some people just decided to not accept them.
What people here are asking is pretty much an answer that will likely imply disclosure of the contract between CIG and another company they outsourced a project from. If that didn't happen before, i won't happen now.
You can cry one ocean of salty tears about it, but it changes nothing.
I'm confused now. What exactly do you think the OP is asking?
No one has the fact including Roberts apparently since there has yet to be a single item they have talked about that hasnt been changed or redone in some way shape or form for various reasons (generally not their own fault). So asking for actual facts is an impossibility. And really what lies at the crux of all the criticisms with this game in the first place. You can never ever get a straight answer out of them. Most supporters will claim the 'its a game and changes are inevitable' argument but after awhile thats just ridiculous eventually something has to come around.
even now that they have actually (apparently) been scared into actually releasing updates the updates are menial and minimal at best. Certainly nothing earth shattering.
When was the last time this project released something People could actually experience themselves (and not some CG or cinematic trailer that is clearly not representative of what can actually be played) that was even impressive let alone earth shattering.
It certainly doesnt exist in that tech demo test bed theyre calling an alpha because if it did there would be more than a few dozen people playing in there.
So it's impossible to know for exact any details of that situation because they have NOT been disclosed, this is and will continue being speculation. Claim any answer as the right one will never be factual.
Also:
a) Why would they be scared to do updates to their own game? You act like the point is not doing updates.
b) The alpha is out there to play, some people play it and like it, others do not. As i said most of the people i played with during Free Flights ended up buying a package, and that is the whole point. There's many others who are wanting more something more expanded and stable before buying and that's exactly what i tell anybody who asks me if they should buy into SC.
The rest, is an ocean of opinions, everybody has their own.
Uh that's kinda of a low stab. My point was that people can keep talking/crying/complaining/whining about it that it doesn't change anything at this point. It wouldn't change anything even if we knew exactly what happened today. Because it already happened and the currently reality is as it is.
No one has the fact including Roberts apparently since there has yet to be a single item they have talked about that hasnt been changed or redone in some way shape or form for various reasons (generally not their own fault). So asking for actual facts is an impossibility. And really what lies at the crux of all the criticisms with this game in the first place. You can never ever get a straight answer out of them. Most supporters will claim the 'its a game and changes are inevitable' argument but after awhile thats just ridiculous eventually something has to come around.
even now that they have actually (apparently) been scared into actually releasing updates the updates are menial and minimal at best. Certainly nothing earth shattering.
When was the last time this project released something People could actually experience themselves (and not some CG or cinematic trailer that is clearly not representative of what can actually be played) that was even impressive let alone earth shattering.
It certainly doesnt exist in that tech demo test bed theyre calling an alpha because if it did there would be more than a few dozen people playing in there.
So it's impossible to know for exact any details of that situation because they have NOT been disclosed, this is and will continue being speculation. Claim any answer as the right one will never be factual.
Also:
a) Why would they be scared to do updates to their own game? You act like the point is not doing updates.
b) The alpha is out there to play, some people play it and like it, others do not. As i said most of the people i played with during Free Flights ended up buying a package, and that is the whole point. There's many others who are wanting more something more expanded and stable before buying and that's exactly what i tell anybody who asks me if they should buy into SC.
The rest, is an ocean of opinions, everybody has their own.
Uh that's kinda of a low stab. My point was that people can keep talking/crying/complaining/whining about it that it doesn't change anything at this point. It wouldn't change anything even if we knew exactly what happened today. Because it already happened and the currently reality is as it is.
But you're also not doing anything any different, I know you think you are but all that happens is you end up talking/crying/complaining/whining about people asking the same old questions or making the same old comments. You chase them, they chase you and on it goes.
The only way to win in this scenario is not to play.
But you're also not doing anything any different, I know you think you are but all that happens is you end up talking/crying/complaining/whining about people asking the same old questions or making the same old comments. You chase them, they chase you and on it goes.
The only way to win in this scenario is not to play.
It's the circle of Star Citizen discussions, it got stuck on the same loop since over 1 year ago, and all we do is repeating the same posts countless times.
The only way to win may be play the Alpha, or when SM releases, every time we disagree we get on a SM match and kill each other!
I'm confused now. What exactly do you think the OP is asking?
Why do you ask the question about the question you asked? O.o
I was wondering what you thought it was saying. Because you somehow believe the answer is wrapped up in a nondisclosure contract. You are way off base right now.
@MaxBacon maybe am wrong but the whole point of the game from Robert's point of view is to have the most open development we ever had. Yet it seems you miss the whole point of this thread and others on this site, and that it has become the most closed development and that has caused a lot of these threads on this site. Not to say the attacks that keep coming to anyone that doesn't post a "this game is great" thread.
Again i'm just saying people like you may actually be hurting the game in the long run. Something you should really think about!
Sometimes it's not always about what you can see or hear but what's under the hood of a game that's most impressive. Between those thousands and thousands of lines of code, magic happens. Sometimes the most amazing feats of gaming wizardry happen without you even noticing.
I was wondering what you thought it was saying. Because you somehow believe the answer is wrapped up in a nondisclosure contract. You are way off base right now.
By you asking for the specifics that caused the actual problem, then we would have to look at exactly what was happening between Illfonic and CIG back then, and that is the part nobody talks about. Because side of that, its blockers and the refactoring of code were publicly known.
Again i'm just saying people like you may actually be hurting the game in the long run. Something you should really think about!
I'm not hurting anything, the game itself will speak louder than anything else, the internet forum crusaders do not decide or impact whatever the future holds for this project. And people should make their own opinions from playing the actual game, now or when they feel it's right for them.
I was wondering what you thought it was saying. Because you somehow believe the answer is wrapped up in a nondisclosure contract. You are way off base right now.
By you asking for the specifics that caused the actual problem, then we would have to look at exactly what was happening between Illfonic and CIG back then, and that is the part nobody talks about. Because side of that, its blockers and the refactoring of code were publicly known.
Again i'm just saying people like you may actually be hurting the game in the long run. Something you should really think about!
I'm not hurting anything, the game itself will speak louder than anything else, the internet forum crusaders do not decide or impact whatever the future holds for this project. And people should make their own opinions from playing the actual game, now or when they feel it's right for them.
Sorry you don't understand exactly what I been saying. How can people make their own opinions about the game when they are attacked by people like you. Again you are arguing we should all agree with the views you hold with the game. Yet if anyone else gives their opinion that you disagree with then we have to read an attack by you for why we or them are wrong. Like I said people like you are hurting the future game more than anyone else is.
Sometimes it's not always about what you can see or hear but what's under the hood of a game that's most impressive. Between those thousands and thousands of lines of code, magic happens. Sometimes the most amazing feats of gaming wizardry happen without you even noticing.
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It goes with what I say about MMOs in general and especially this one because they take forever to make and this one is going to take even longer than that (if you can in fact go longer than forever). Even reading this thread and a few others even the few guys here who still champion are changing their time tables.
But obviously anything new and with little to critique or go on will be the best thing ever, its the nature of the beast. But even so there are plenty of things to draw a base comparison to in terms of what is available and who is playing it. Star Citizen just doesnt seem to be anything. Again if not for the 'press' hype, the Derek Smart attacks or the few guys here who can advertise everything little thing they do for free I doubt anyone would even know it existed. Thats pretty crazy for a project that has done what this one has claimed to do over the past 4 or 5 years.
Star Citizen must be the only game in the world, where no such thing as haters exist...
Like I said I watch Twitch or have it going every single day for 5-8 hours on average in my offices and despite that being a GAMING community not a single streamer or comment has said anything about SC for as long as I can remember. I hadnt heard a thing about Star Citizen until I decided to open MMORPG.com up and see what was new.Which is still nothing (with any of the over hyped games this place focuses on).
So its either this site or the people who come here.
I just know that some of the games with the biggest player bases and most ACTUAL hype are games that werent mentioned here at all. ARK had sold 2+ million copies, given away 6 figures in prize money and had 9at the time) about 50K people playing it at any given time before this place even mentioned it, and then it was months after that before it even got its own forum. The excuse at the time was 'it wasnt an MMO' which we all know was hogwash because 90% of the games here arent MMOs either.
Either way to get back on sort of a track... SC is as non existent to gamers as any 'most ambitious MMO ever made' could possibly be.
Star Citizen is a space sim, as Elite Dangerous, they appeal to one audience that is not the main-stream audience. Unlike casual space games now like No Man's Sky meant for main-stream audience and the typical MMO's we're used to.
It's still the most ambitious MMO ever made, it is pushing towards what nobody ever done before on an actual MMO experience, now by far it means that the main-stream MMO community will want to play a space sim.
Just see how hell it went for Elite on steam going for a trailer that gave the vibe the game was more casual and action based... Only resulted on a mob of salty people on the reviews / forums. It's best to not appeal much to the mainstream audience if you're not a casual game.
If you got nothing else to do than to run in circles like a dog trying to catch his tail then you really should stop.
If you like drama then go over to SA forums.
Rob Manuel
Actual game discussion is almost non-existent here, and even if you try to have one, the discussion will be derailed to discuss "why X makes CIG the worst company in the world" or "CR is a liar" or "SC is a scam" or "<input typical argument here>".
It's always the same loop, anything will have to be put as negative otherwise it's bad. This is a loop that NEVER ends, threads like this are the perfect circular discussion.
You can't have any factual discussion, if there is information towards X matter, it will be discarded because "CR is a liar so you're wrong"... And those are the profound points?!
When wow was in development and released there was major problems with it, yet the posts about the problems took center stage and ended up giving us a better game. My point would be if a game is being silenced of all issues and problems it will make people like me turn away and never think of playing the game once it does release and or gets better.
Now that reminds me to go level up my Paladin!
Rob Manuel
This comment go-round used to happen in the exact same manner in the Star Citizen thread on Frontier's forums, we have posters here who used to be very energetic in those threads as well.
Without the responses and denials and finger pointing half of these threads would run out of fuel in a very short time - it seems some people enjoy the drama more than they would like to let on.
You should think the guy who missed the deadline by over a year should give us a clear answer but no... it's the guys wondering what happened who deserve criticism.
I do am aware the development of SC is no bed of flowers, i never defended it was, have my own gripes and did my own critics, YET there's quite the jump between that and going on rampages against CIG and its developers attacking them for anything like some people are dedicated to do, in fact, the only thing they do.
Back the the opinions as facts, specially when this falls upon speculation, it falls on mis-information.
even now that they have actually (apparently) been scared into actually releasing updates the updates are menial and minimal at best. Certainly nothing earth shattering.
When was the last time this project released something People could actually experience themselves (and not some CG or cinematic trailer that is clearly not representative of what can actually be played) that was even impressive let alone earth shattering.
It certainly doesnt exist in that tech demo test bed theyre calling an alpha because if it did there would be more than a few dozen people playing in there.
What people here are asking is pretty much an answer that will likely imply disclosure of the contract between CIG and another company they outsourced a project from. If that didn't happen before, i won't happen now.
You can cry one ocean of salty tears about it, but it changes nothing.
Also:
a) Why would they be scared to do updates to their own game? You act like the point is not doing updates.
b) The alpha is out there to play, some people play it and like it, others do not. As i said most of the people i played with during Free Flights ended up buying a package, and that is the whole point. There's many others who are wanting more something more expanded and stable before buying and that's exactly what i tell anybody who asks me if they should buy into SC.
The rest, is an ocean of opinions, everybody has their own.
Uh that's kinda of a low stab. My point was that people can keep talking/crying/complaining/whining about it that it doesn't change anything at this point. It wouldn't change anything even if we knew exactly what happened today. Because it already happened and the currently reality is as it is.
But you're also not doing anything any different, I know you think you are but all that happens is you end up talking/crying/complaining/whining about people asking the same old questions or making the same old comments. You chase them, they chase you and on it goes.
The only way to win in this scenario is not to play.
The only way to win may be play the Alpha, or when SM releases, every time we disagree we get on a SM match and kill each other!
Again i'm just saying people like you may actually be hurting the game in the long run. Something you should really think about!
Rob Manuel
I'm not hurting anything, the game itself will speak louder than anything else, the internet forum crusaders do not decide or impact whatever the future holds for this project. And people should make their own opinions from playing the actual game, now or when they feel it's right for them.
Give me multiple star systems and multiple gameplay loops and I might start paying actual attention to the game again. Until then...
Rob Manuel