This is a PvP game. That being said the risk vs. reward is too much for many people.
Ihad a lvl 65 orc destroyer and a 52 warcryer when I quit. I rarely pvpd. I was too scared of dropping items. All of the cheats and workarounds(hacks) made the game unbearable. I don't mind the heavy leveling ( 20 hour sessions in one room to gain a single level or maybe even just one half) But it was the fact that PvP had consequences and was discouraged.
I reccomend this game to the hardest of the core, but for people that don't have 20 hours a day to play this will be a waste of your time.
And yes I was in Beta, closed and opened. It was alot of fun for the transition. Overall I wasted my time as my account didn't sell as well as I had hoped.
Disstress said it best pvp and that turns some folks off, though there may have been many good things that have come in time to this offering, pvp is a pure turn off for some folks
The other issue is there is a new awareness about percieved grind fests and rewards for time put in.
Perhaps it is a case of playing several till "end game and seen it before" or as in some folks cases playing for a bit and not seeing anything there to want to keep going.
We are turning into more informed consumers now and not staying where it isn't fun to us, or too many changes come to the said game that changes directions of the game.
The good thing about that is, we can hope for a more improved game play of current and future offerings, they need to have more hooks to keep us subscribed now.
Original poster glad you found something you loved playing ! Many wish they still had that great feeling about "their game' very nice screenies thanks for posting them.........
Originally posted by anarchyart Oh and did I mention the music? It is top notch and theres a new song for TI (Talking Island), my most beloved n00by haunt. It is orchestral and harkens me back to my Final Fantasy days. It is asian RPG music which IMO is some of, if not THE best type of RPG music.
I don't plan on playing it... but the music is fantastic as usual. I think you're talking about the "Island Village" track, not sure though.
Originally posted by HolyCircle Why L2 sucks, especially for a PvP game: 1) Insanely Stupid Grind 2) Lame PvP System 3) Limited and Lame Siege System 4) Lack of city design system 5) GRIND! 6) Exploiters/Hackers 7) Asians ^^ <(o.O)>
Dude, that's racist. There is no place for that here. Please take that crap to the bar where someone can deal with you in a proper way.
Originally posted by disstress This is a PvP game. That being said the risk vs. reward is too much for many people. Ihad a lvl 65 orc destroyer and a 52 warcryer when I quit. I rarely pvpd. I was too scared of dropping items. All of the cheats and workarounds(hacks) made the game unbearable. I don't mind the heavy leveling ( 20 hour sessions in one room to gain a single level or maybe even just one half) But it was the fact that PvP had consequences and was discouraged.
I reccomend this game to the hardest of the core, but for people that don't have 20 hours a day to play this will be a waste of your time. And yes I was in Beta, closed and opened. It was alot of fun for the transition. Overall I wasted my time as my account didn't sell as well as I had hoped.
Ok I'll say it again as I guess you didn't read my post. I have around 2 hours a day at most to play and I have fun. I got my FIghter to level 33 on Bartz server about 7 or 8 months ago. My gf plays about 2-4 hours a day and she got her Caster to level 51. She participated in sieges and all that happy crappy, so you don't need 20 hours a day and you can have a life and still have fun at it.
It is bit more hardcore than the norm, but that is its thrill too. You dont have to be the best, just play and have fun.
Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by disstress This is a PvP game. That being said the risk vs. reward is too much for many people. Ihad a lvl 65 orc destroyer and a 52 warcryer when I quit. I rarely pvpd. I was too scared of dropping items. All of the cheats and workarounds(hacks) made the game unbearable. I don't mind the heavy leveling ( 20 hour sessions in one room to gain a single level or maybe even just one half) But it was the fact that PvP had consequences and was discouraged. I reccomend this game to the hardest of the core, but for people that don't have 20 hours a day to play this will be a waste of your time. And yes I was in Beta, closed and opened. It was alot of fun for the transition. Overall I wasted my time as my account didn't sell as well as I had hoped. Ok I'll say it again as I guess you didn't read my post. I have around 2 hours a day at most to play and I have fun. I got my FIghter to level 33 on Bartz server about 7 or 8 months ago. My gf plays about 2-4 hours a day and she got her Caster to level 51. She participated in sieges and all that happy crappy, so you don't need 20 hours a day and you can have a life and still have fun at it. It is bit more hardcore than the norm, but that is its thrill too. You dont have to be the best, just play and have fun.
cool, wll i wasn't trying to flame anyone just letting people know, obivously things have changed, as a 51 only playing 4 hours a day would have to starded the first day of open beta.
things have obivously changed, and I hope its for the better, I would still play if pvp was different for that game
I don't believe in pvp consequences, I like open and fun pvp, not dire consequences for pvping
when I quit c grade armor was hard to come by, they hadn't developed areas where it dropped so much, and when you got nice things, people tried to goat you into pvp to get you to drop items, or even if you tried to enchant that deadmans staff with +4 ---it most likely blew up , and replaceing it was impossible, i shared armor between 2 characters and luckily had 2 different weapons
sounds like a different game from when soc was total against thorforce and red knights were thuggin on bartz
I read and i read, and all you are saying like negatives to this game: hackers, comunity, few quests(buhuhu,who needs them?!!?!?!?! -- althou there are at least 100 quests iknow about, at level 50 u can do antharas quest -- try to handle that:P), bots, etc.
SO u blame THE OFFICIAL SERVER not the game! WHo the hack constrains you of playing on the official server?! Some of you are so narrow mindend that you really think that if you don t play on the official server, you are breaking some law, etc. That s the mentality inducted by company`s: u have to pay foir everything. No u don t. U can download Lineage 2 for free from the official site, cause the game is free. You can play on private servers. That s it, nothing wrong with that. NC SOFT is SELLING C3 source for servers for 1000 dollars. There are many private servers, i played on dex romania. 3 k players, no lag, official c2, rates were 5x. Not that high i guess.
And u know what, don t blame the game because of the official server and because there are people that suck. Play to become better then them.
One thing i learned in Lineage, you alone cannot be the best. THere always will be someone better then you. That s why u can make a clan, alliances, etc.
For actual lineage 2 players: don t wait for drops, gatter the materials, and make the damned armor. C graded armors are easy to make. There is an application called l2.informer wich tells u every monster what drop it has and what chances to drop stuff. It s extremley usefull.
I like themost playing at level 52 and up. It s extremley hard making level ups, but i didn t even wanted then. My goal was to make a magnificent B graded armor, blue wolf or doom, i did it in the and, and in the meantime i made 5 levels at those low rates.
And another interesting thing.
I live in Romania, NOBODY HEARD ABOUT LINEAGE 2!!!! When i donwloaded the game , i did it because of the few pictures on the net, the characters looked awsome and the monsters too. I found a free romanian private server. At the begining we were 50!! in 3 MONTHS there were 1100 players, up to today there are 5k players , 90 % from ROmania willing to play Lineage 2. And most of them would pl;ay day and night if they could, that much they Love the game, just enter the chat and u can see. Super comunity of players. THere are bad people there too, what happens to them? The rest of 900 kill he s ass, over and over again. THat should be done in official server too, a big alliance for the newcomers, etc.
In Europe L2 is getting big, maybe not everyones play on official server, and it s ncsoft s fault , from what i ve seen. There are bot detectors, programers could work more on exploit fixings, etc. But i say it again, don t blame the game because of the people who play it. FInd another server, what s that difficult? OR find friends and kick he s bot. Even if he s level 60 he cannot kill 10 level 40. Locate him with the /loc command and kick he s ass, u become red, u gokill some monsters, and make karma go off, so u don t loose items.
THe karma sistem BEST PVP . GEnius, Youjust have to know how to master it.
PS> the guy who said he had on the official a level 60 tyrant i think, and it s affraid to pvp. You are lying or u bought those characters, cause u SURE AS HELL DIDN T MADE THEM!!!!
If u would have spent just like 100 hours a game, u would know that there are ARENA S for PVP where u DON T LOSE ITEMS OR EXPERIENCE!!!!! so stop whining.
And another thing, if u hit someone outside of arena, in every part of lineage 2, just hit him once, u become JUST purple. THEN U WAIT for him to hit you back. IF HE DOES he too Becomes purple. AND THEN U FIGHT. when u PURPLE u don t drop ANYTHING!!!!!!!! the purpleness come soff after 1 minute. if u kill someone without that someone Hitting back at all then u become red and can loose items, BUT ONLY THEN. v v v well made. but u should know that, cause u spent like 1 year inthe game making that level 60 character, right? just don t diss the game if u haven t played it!
I haven't posted here in awhile but thought it was important I say:
Lineage 2 sucks really really badly, it's one of the worst mmorpgs I've ever played. And this is coming from a guy who actually liked Lineage 1 ALOT, it's still one of my favorites games of all time... but they flat out blew it with Lineage 2, it's complete crap.
Originally posted by Rockk U can kill monsters (what else to do? go fishing? cooking skill, like wow? no thanks)
There's a difference between killing the same kind of monster over and over again (as has been my experience in Lineage 2) and questing, where you kill different kind of mobs with different challenges.
As for who needs quests, I do. I'm a quest junkie, I love completing quests. 100 quests is barely nothing compared to WoW and EQ2, the latter offering more than 1000 quests and some of them contain triggered events.
Not to be misunderstood, I'm not trying to convince anyone whether L2 is good or bad. It's a matter of personal taste, others may find it a more interesting game, just discussing.
Currently playing: * City of Heroes: Deggial, Assault Rifle/Devices Blaster. Server: Defiant. * City of Villains: Snakeroot, Plant/Thorns Dominator. Server: Defiant.
That was written for hardcore players. THe game bring always something new, it just bring at some point extremley new content, makes giant leaps.
U can have fun at lvl 5, and go to kill boses at 15 too. U can wonder around at level 1 orm ake pvp at any lvl. U can do whatever u want at any level u want, but the higher u get more stuff the games unveills. So , it s worth leveling up, u always get new stuff to keep u interesting..
Originally posted by Rockk PS> the guy who said he had on the official a level 60 tyrant i think, and it s affraid to pvp. You are lying or u bought those characters, cause u SURE AS HELL DIDN T MADE THEM!!!!
If u would have spent just like 100 hours a game, u would know that there are ARENA S for PVP where u DON T LOSE ITEMS OR EXPERIENCE!!!!! so stop whining.
And another thing, if u hit someone outside of arena, in every part of lineage 2, just hit him once, u become JUST purple. THEN U WAIT for him to hit you back. IF HE DOES he too Becomes purple. AND THEN U FIGHT. when u PURPLE u don t drop ANYTHING!!!!!!!! the purpleness come soff after 1 minute. if u kill someone without that someone Hitting back at all then u become red and can loose items, BUT ONLY THEN. v v v well made. but u should know that, cause u spent like 1 year inthe game making that level 60 character, right? just don t diss the game if u haven t played it!
First off, I really hope this isn't directed at me. It wasn't a tyrant it was a destroyer and it wasn't 60 it was 65. Also had a 52 warcyrer. When I quit they had just implemented the arenas. So they wern't around the entire time. And having free pvp limited to a small room is retarded. Having risks of loosing millions of adena worth of gear for going up to someone and killing them is equally retarded.(outside of the arena)
And never in my post was I whining, I sold my account made my money and left, I was simply informing others of my experiances, seeing as I got farther in the game that 99% of the people that have posted here (probably 100%)
The entire "tricking someone into going purple so you can kill them and not worry about dropping a 30million adena item" is not pvp. Sure its a player versus another player, but they system is to exploit friendly. In a game you shouldn't have to worry about dropping a weapon that you grinded 2 weeks for, for just killing someone.
The game is far too confused in it economy, and needs to be reworked from the pvp system to the crafting system to the enchanting system.
And playing on hacked servers=noob. Play with the big kids and come out from the corner there princess, you little princess' that can't handle the offical server souldn't be playing at all. Getting 4x xp 4x adena 4x drops isn't how the game was designed. Why not just get your own hacked server go into /godmode and solo Antharas?--noobs
I played L2 for before.. its too character lvl driven game.. and oh boy.. aint people love to play Silver Ranger/ Phantom Ranger these days. i glad on C2 they buff Treasure Hunter so it can match SR/PR... but on C3 everything back it used to be.. Ranger ftw~
Originally posted by Lvcifer I played L2 for before.. its too character lvl driven game.. and oh boy.. aint people love to play Silver Ranger/ Phantom Ranger these days. i glad on C2 they buff Treasure Hunter so it can match SR/PR... but on C3 everything back it used to be.. Ranger ftw~
Before all the Chronicle expansions is when I played. But back then a smart warcryer could own pretty much anyone. Two of the best were Mang and isDying
With all due respect, you can't honestly can't really have an opinion about Lineage 2 unless you are playing on an official server. The mechanics are very different.
- MUCH higher lvl grind - MUCH lower drop rates - HIGHER chance of dropped equipment
And then there is the point of PAYING to play a game which has botters/farmers/scammers, all of which (for the larger part) NCSoft does nothing about.
So yeah...I'm sure playing on a free sever is swell (IF you have no job).
I respect ur opinion. I was a quest junkie too, i always played single player games, where quests are a necesity, ever present. But there are so many things to do in L2 that i didn t had the time to complete more then 10. I really hadn t.
Why should u kill the same kidn of monsters? I really don t udnerstand. There are many locations with different types of monsters, but same level.
Exemples:
If u are level 14 for example u can hunt monsters with max 4 levels higher then u or 2 lower for max xp gain.
TABLE OF LEVELs and mosnters: level 15- 16 -17-8-19 ~ 200 monsters across 8 locations: near GLudin, Dion, GLudio, Elven viilage, Elven Fortress,, Mithrill Mines, Elven RUins, Talkin Islands, etc. And that s for these 4 leveled monsters... so u don t EVER HAVE TO KILL THE SAME MONSZTERS over and over again. That s the stupidest thing i ve ever heard. GO AND EXPLORE..it s ahuge world out there. ANd i don t think i will play ever on official server. U scared me off playing there. I think i ll continue playing on my private server, with the company of thousands players, instead of milions...but it s so damned kuul, i don t think i ll ever quit.
Originally posted by Rockk That was written for hardcore players. THe game bring always something new, it just bring at some point extremley new content, makes giant leaps.U can have fun at lvl 5, and go to kill boses at 15 too. U can wonder around at level 1 orm ake pvp at any lvl. U can do whatever u want at any level u want, but the higher u get more stuff the games unveills. So , it s worth leveling up, u always get new stuff to keep u interesting.. why ppl always understand the worse? ....
You may want to put that URL you have in your quote into your signature, your really jacking up the forum tables.
- Scaris
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If u played Lineage 2 before the arenas were implemented, i thinku ve played maybe alfa, not even chronicle 1. I don t know how that was, but it seems like a different game.
The gameplay is the same regardless of the server rates. I just love pvp. ANd it s fair: if u play a character that doesen t wants to pvp with u, because it s very little lvl compared to u, and u kill him, regardles, it seems fair to me that u turn red, and have the possibility to DROP ur precious items. KARMA comes back to u. U kill, u get killed. U can get rid of karma thou if u kill monsters...oo..mr, u didn t knew that? DOn t call me noob just because i don t wanna pay for playing on official server. Eaither way, u didn t played the same lineage 2 that i had. U played the alfa alfa game..
U know, there IS A COLOSSEUM (Roman empire had) , it s imense, and it s for PVP.
The Lord of the castle Aden has the top seat.
I bet u never participate on a siege neither...
Dude, u haven t played the game! u played only the shadow of l2.
And i m sorry if i was rude, i didn t ment to. I respekt ur opinion.
To be brutally honest 6/10 is being far too generous to L2. Honestly this game rates as a 2/10 at best as it only has a couple of redeeming values, the rest of the game is crap.
Firstly comparing a free server to Live servers is pointless, since they can be modified to be substantially different. Also keep in mind that the average new player is never going to know about free servers, they are going to experience live content and that rating is exactly what they will experience.
Graphics, are not that good. Sorry an armor texture and high poly T & A do not make a good character model. The animations are poor, the movement is rigid, proportions are average at best. L2 is a glaring example of the term Sex sells, because that is darn near the only thing that sells the game. It would not bother me so much if the character model was a complete model but they are not. The facial expressions are non existant, even FFXI managed more realistic expressions with lower poly count models. Environment is decent, its better then wow in places but nothing spectacular. For the record if you want to see just how disparing the character models are, break one down in 3ds Max.
NPC's As bad as FFXI. Now anyone who listens to me regularly around here knows how much I loved FFXI, what I do not mention often is the fact that the variety of npc's in that game is honestly what made me quit. I despised fighting the same damn thing for 70 levels, L2 was just as bad..same model..different stats. Of course this is one of the inherit flaws to a level based system. From a PVE standpoint, the AI in this game is only rivalled in stupidity by Shadowbane. ( for the record I am not considering UO here due to age of the game but its Obviously in the same area )
Grind/PVP ..Most here understand how I feel about PVP in a level based environment. Especially when the grind is enough to make even the most hardened PVEer cringe. First of all to design a game to be so PVP centric, then to make the PVP completely dependent on Gear and level, then to make the grind such that the game quit being a game and literally had to be a job to even consider PVP is simple mind boggling to try and figure out what they were thinking. Lineage 2 is just another blatent example of why PVP in a level based environment is a poor idea. There is little skill involved, it comes down to whohas the best gear and or highest level..nothing more. Before anyone even thinks about disputing it, pit two characters of the same level one in D grade one in B grade and see who wins every time. then pit two with a mere 8 level difference and see who wins every time.
Music, now this is one of the very few area's I will give L2 props on. The score is impressive, and very immersive. Honestly It was good enough that I almost have considered from time to time creating an account on a free server just because the score makes it worth it. I am a music lover so this is one of the only two factors I consider marketable traits in this game. The other one obviously does not appeal to me as can be contrived from the tone of my statement, but I consider that appealing to a far larger audience then music. Most people are driven by asthetics instead of emotion.
The Kharma system was good in theory poor in practice. The idea behind it to help curb people from ganking was good. Unfortunatlly in actual practice it proves just as inept as every other attempt to balance Level based PvP. You literally have two choices, Stand and die so you can flag someone red who honestly does not care anyhow and hope someone else kills them. Or fight back and get no reward for killing them. Yes that is an amazing amount of incentive...not. This is only thrown into even sharper contrast by the fact that gear is just as hard to get and time consuming as any PVE primary game, and power altering.
Of course toss in the Adena bots, the hacks, exploits and the fact that L2 has one of the worst communities as far as maturity goes of any MMO out ( with exception to WoW i actually think WoW's cesspool of a community is worse ), and you have on a live server one of the worst experiences for a player imaginable.
Lineage 2 is not hardcore...its diehards refusing to admit they are wrong..aka Idiocy.
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This is a PvP game. That being said the risk vs. reward is too much for many people.
Ihad a lvl 65 orc destroyer and a 52 warcryer when I quit. I rarely pvpd. I was too scared of dropping items. All of the cheats and workarounds(hacks) made the game unbearable. I don't mind the heavy leveling ( 20 hour sessions in one room to gain a single level or maybe even just one half) But it was the fact that PvP had consequences and was discouraged.
I reccomend this game to the hardest of the core, but for people that don't have 20 hours a day to play this will be a waste of your time.
And yes I was in Beta, closed and opened. It was alot of fun for the transition. Overall I wasted my time as my account didn't sell as well as I had hoped.
Disstress said it best pvp and that turns some folks off, though there may have been many good things that have come in time to this offering, pvp is a pure turn off for some folks
The other issue is there is a new awareness about percieved grind fests and rewards for time put in.
Perhaps it is a case of playing several till "end game and seen it before" or as in some folks cases playing for a bit and not seeing anything there to want to keep going.
We are turning into more informed consumers now and not staying where it isn't fun to us, or too many changes come to the said game that changes directions of the game.
The good thing about that is, we can hope for a more improved game play of current and future offerings, they need to have more hooks to keep us subscribed now.
Original poster glad you found something you loved playing ! Many wish they still had that great feeling about "their game' very nice screenies thanks for posting them.........
I don't plan on playing it... but the music is fantastic as usual. I think you're talking about the "Island Village" track, not sure though.
L2 Music from the Official Site
Ok I'll say it again as I guess you didn't read my post. I have around 2 hours a day at most to play and I have fun. I got my FIghter to level 33 on Bartz server about 7 or 8 months ago. My gf plays about 2-4 hours a day and she got her Caster to level 51. She participated in sieges and all that happy crappy, so you don't need 20 hours a day and you can have a life and still have fun at it.
It is bit more hardcore than the norm, but that is its thrill too. You dont have to be the best, just play and have fun.
cool, wll i wasn't trying to flame anyone just letting people know, obivously things have changed, as a 51 only playing 4 hours a day would have to starded the first day of open beta.
things have obivously changed, and I hope its for the better, I would still play if pvp was different for that game
I don't believe in pvp consequences, I like open and fun pvp, not dire consequences for pvping
when I quit c grade armor was hard to come by, they hadn't developed areas where it dropped so much, and when you got nice things, people tried to goat you into pvp to get you to drop items, or even if you tried to enchant that deadmans staff with +4 ---it most likely blew up , and replaceing it was impossible, i shared armor between 2 characters and luckily had 2 different weapons
sounds like a different game from when soc was total against thorforce and red knights were thuggin on bartz
I read and i read, and all you are saying like negatives to this game: hackers, comunity, few quests(buhuhu,who needs them?!!?!?!?! -- althou there are at least 100 quests iknow about, at level 50 u can do antharas quest -- try to handle that:P), bots, etc.
SO u blame THE OFFICIAL SERVER not the game!
WHo the hack constrains you of playing on the official server?! Some of you are so narrow mindend that you really think that if you don t play on the official server, you are breaking some law, etc.
That s the mentality inducted by company`s: u have to pay foir everything. No u don t. U can download Lineage 2 for free from the official site, cause the game is free. You can play on private servers. That s it, nothing wrong with that.
NC SOFT is SELLING C3 source for servers for 1000 dollars. There are many private servers, i played on dex romania. 3 k players, no lag, official c2, rates were 5x. Not that high i guess.
And u know what, don t blame the game because of the official server and because there are people that suck. Play to become better then them.
One thing i learned in Lineage, you alone cannot be the best. THere always will be someone better then you. That s why u can make a clan, alliances, etc.
For actual lineage 2 players: don t wait for drops, gatter the materials, and make the damned armor. C graded armors are easy to make. There is an application called l2.informer wich tells u every monster what drop it has and what chances to drop stuff. It s extremley usefull.
I like themost playing at level 52 and up. It s extremley hard making level ups, but i didn t even wanted then. My goal was to make a magnificent B graded armor, blue wolf or doom, i did it in the and, and in the meantime i made 5 levels at those low rates.
And another interesting thing.
I live in Romania, NOBODY HEARD ABOUT LINEAGE 2!!!! When i donwloaded the game , i did it because of the few pictures on the net, the characters looked awsome and the monsters too.
I found a free romanian private server. At the begining we were 50!! in 3 MONTHS there were 1100 players, up to today there are 5k players , 90 % from ROmania willing to play Lineage 2. And most of them would pl;ay day and night if they could, that much they Love the game, just enter the chat and u can see. Super comunity of players. THere are bad people there too, what happens to them? The rest of 900 kill he s ass, over and over again. THat should be done in official server too, a big alliance for the newcomers, etc.
In Europe L2 is getting big, maybe not everyones play on official server, and it s ncsoft s fault , from what i ve seen. There are bot detectors, programers could work more on exploit fixings, etc.
Locate him with the /loc command and kick he s ass, u become red, u gokill some monsters, and make karma go off, so u don t loose items.
But i say it again, don t blame the game because of the people who play it.
FInd another server, what s that difficult? OR find friends and kick he s bot. Even if he s level 60 he cannot kill 10 level 40.
THe karma sistem BEST PVP . GEnius, Youjust have to know how to master it.
PS> the guy who said he had on the official a level 60 tyrant i think, and it s affraid to pvp. You are lying or u bought those characters, cause u SURE AS HELL DIDN T MADE THEM!!!!
If u would have spent just like 100 hours a game, u would know that there are ARENA S for PVP where u DON T LOSE ITEMS OR EXPERIENCE!!!!! so stop whining.
And another thing, if u hit someone outside of arena, in every part of lineage 2, just hit him once, u become JUST purple. THEN U WAIT for him to hit you back. IF HE DOES he too Becomes purple. AND THEN U FIGHT. when u PURPLE u don t drop ANYTHING!!!!!!!! the purpleness come soff after 1 minute.
if u kill someone without that someone Hitting back at all then u become red and can loose items, BUT ONLY THEN. v v v well made.
but u should know that, cause u spent like 1 year inthe game making that level 60 character, right? just don t diss the game if u haven t played it!
http://www.thunderclann.home.ro/ThunderClanLineage2.jpg
I haven't posted here in awhile but thought it was important I say:
Lineage 2 sucks really really badly, it's one of the worst mmorpgs I've ever played. And this is coming from a guy who actually liked Lineage 1 ALOT, it's still one of my favorites games of all time... but they flat out blew it with Lineage 2, it's complete crap.
I agree L2 is suck ,so why not try to RYL.com.my http://www.download.com/RYL/3000-7541_4-10330857.html?tag=pop I been play this game and found the PVP is very good.
How can u say if a game sucks or not if u have no reasons to back u up. Spammers.
http://www.thunderclann.home.ro/ThunderClanLineage2.jpg
So I have to get to 20 before it's any good, and the real fun doesn't start until 52? Pass. Life's too short to play through crap levels.
Chris Mattern
There's a difference between killing the same kind of monster over and over again (as has been my experience in Lineage 2) and questing, where you kill different kind of mobs with different challenges.
As for who needs quests, I do. I'm a quest junkie, I love completing quests. 100 quests is barely nothing compared to WoW and EQ2, the latter offering more than 1000 quests and some of them contain triggered events.
Not to be misunderstood, I'm not trying to convince anyone whether L2 is good or bad. It's a matter of personal taste, others may find it a more interesting game, just discussing.
Currently playing:
* City of Heroes: Deggial, Assault Rifle/Devices Blaster. Server: Defiant.
* City of Villains: Snakeroot, Plant/Thorns Dominator. Server: Defiant.
That was written for hardcore players.
THe game bring always something new, it just bring at some point extremley new content, makes giant leaps.
U can have fun at lvl 5, and go to kill boses at 15 too. U can wonder around at level 1 orm ake pvp at any lvl. U can do whatever u want at any level u want, but the higher u get more stuff the games unveills. So , it s worth leveling up, u always get new stuff to keep u interesting..
why ppl always understand the worse? ....
http://www.thunderclann.home.ro/ThunderClanLineage2.jpg
First off, I really hope this isn't directed at me. It wasn't a tyrant it was a destroyer and it wasn't 60 it was 65. Also had a 52 warcyrer.
When I quit they had just implemented the arenas. So they wern't around the entire time. And having free pvp limited to a small room is retarded.
Having risks of loosing millions of adena worth of gear for going up to someone and killing them is equally retarded.(outside of the arena)
And never in my post was I whining, I sold my account made my money and left, I was simply informing others of my experiances, seeing as I got farther in the game that 99% of the people that have posted here (probably 100%)
The entire "tricking someone into going purple so you can kill them and not worry about dropping a 30million adena item" is not pvp. Sure its a player versus another player, but they system is to exploit friendly. In a game you shouldn't have to worry about dropping a weapon that you grinded 2 weeks for, for just killing someone.
The game is far too confused in it economy, and needs to be reworked from the pvp system to the crafting system to the enchanting system.
And playing on hacked servers=noob. Play with the big kids and come out from the corner there princess, you little princess' that can't handle the offical server souldn't be playing at all. Getting 4x xp 4x adena 4x drops isn't how the game was designed. Why not just get your own hacked server go into /godmode and solo Antharas?--noobs
I played L2 for before..
its too character lvl driven game..
and oh boy.. aint people love to play Silver Ranger/ Phantom Ranger these days.
i glad on C2 they buff Treasure Hunter so it can match SR/PR...
but on C3 everything back it used to be.. Ranger ftw~
MyBrute = addicting mini online game!
Before all the Chronicle expansions is when I played. But back then a smart warcryer could own pretty much anyone. Two of the best were Mang and isDying
Hmm I'm sufficiently bored so I might try this, the 15 day free trial of eve online wouldn't install so this will do instead for a bit.
With all due respect, you can't honestly can't really have an opinion about Lineage 2 unless you are playing on an official server. The mechanics are very different.
- MUCH higher lvl grind
- MUCH lower drop rates
- HIGHER chance of dropped equipment
And then there is the point of PAYING to play a game which has botters/farmers/scammers, all of which (for the larger part) NCSoft does nothing about.
So yeah...I'm sure playing on a free sever is swell (IF you have no job).
I respect ur opinion.
I was a quest junkie too, i always played single player games, where quests are a necesity, ever present. But there are so many things to do in L2 that i didn t had the time to complete more then 10. I really hadn t.
Why should u kill the same kidn of monsters? I really don t udnerstand. There are many locations with different types of monsters, but same level.
Exemples:
If u are level 14 for example u can hunt monsters with max 4 levels higher then u or 2 lower for max xp gain.
TABLE OF LEVELs and mosnters: level 15- 16 -17-8-19 ~ 200 monsters across 8 locations: near GLudin, Dion, GLudio, Elven viilage, Elven Fortress,, Mithrill Mines, Elven RUins, Talkin Islands, etc. And that s for these 4 leveled monsters... so u don t EVER HAVE TO KILL THE SAME MONSZTERS over and over again. That s the stupidest thing i ve ever heard. GO AND EXPLORE..it s ahuge world out there. ANd i don t think i will play ever on official server. U scared me off playing there. I think i ll continue playing on my private server, with the company of thousands players, instead of milions...but it s so damned kuul, i don t think i ll ever quit.
name-------- level
_ol_mahum_eagleye 15
kasha_bear 15
quicksilver_beast 15
__sm_hunter_gargoyle 15
_sm_skeleton_r_guard 15
__sm_king_bugbear 15
catseye_bandit 15
shield_skeleton 15
_ol_mahum_catseye 15
black_leopard 15
ruin_zombie 15
_ol_mahum_wolfeye 15
pet_wolf_a 15
lesser_dark_horror 15
mist_terror 15
obsidian_golem 15
twink_puma 15
will_o_wisp 15
felim_lizardman_scout 15
vuku_orc_archer 15
skeleton_pointer 15
giant_spider 15
scavenger_spider 15
spartoi 15
_ol_mahum_foxeye 15
__catseye_bandit 15
langk_lizardman 15
vrykolakas 15
cave_spider 15
crimson_spider 15
dungeon_spider 15
catseye_bandit 15
crypt_horror 15
kasha_spider 15
opal_beast 15
crimson_tarantula 15
redeye_bat 15
__spartoi_summon 15
brae_orc_fighter 15
crystal_puma 15
brown_bear 16
ratman_spy 16
silent_horror 16
kuruka_ratman 16
dark_horror 16
hunter_tarantula 16
les_werewolf 16
hook_spider 16
red_scavenger_spider 16
skeleton_infantry 16
giant_bee 16
poker 16
kasha_poker_spider 16
cave_poker 16
dark_terror 16
boogle_ratman 16
ruin_zombie_leader 16
pinrul_roader 16
langk_lizardman_scout 16
stone_guardian 16
wererat 16
kasha_blade_spider 17
phantom_of_salamander 17
oblivion_watcher 17
dungeon_poker 17
dementia_beast 17
bugbear_raider 17
onyx_beast 17
grizzly_bear 17
orc_shaman 17
pincer_spider 17
ol_mahum_rookie 17
_ol_mahum_rookie 17
__ol_mahum_rookie 17
kuruka_ratman_hunter 17
ol_mahum_sentry 17
_bugbear_raider 17
pinrul 17
shade_horror 17
stopper 17
langk_lizardman_warrior 17
tracker_skeleton 17
scarlet_salamander 17
blader 17
salamander 17
undine 17
moonstone_beast 17
wererat_sub_leader 17
_ol_mahum_rookie 17
brae_orc_chief 17
honey_bear 17
felim_lizardman_warrior 17
water_seer 17
vuku_orc_fighter 17
akaste_bone_warlord 17
kasha_bear_totem 17
corpse_candle 17
ruin_imp 17
ore_bat 17
plunder_tarantula 17
undead_priest 17
corpse_eater_bat 18
salamander_ribe 18
boogle_ratman_leader 18
undine_ribe 18
sukar_wererat 18
tracker_skeleton_leader 18
ivory_beast 18
ratman_hunter 18
lirein 18
poison_spider 18
tainted_zombie 18
mana_vampire 18
durka_spirit 18
kuruka_ratman_leader 18
scarlet_salamander_ribe 18
scavenger_wererat 18
skeleton_longbowman 19
salamander_ybar 19
pitchstone_golem 19
scout_skeleton 19
lizardman 19
sukar_wererat_leader 19
tamato 19
stink_zombie 19
zombie_soldier 19
undine_ybar 19
undead_slave 19
ratman_warrior 19
bind_poison_spider 19
lirein_ribe 19
askaste_bone_lord 19
THERE ARE 3198 TYPES OF MONSTER IN LINEAGE 2 , in a huge WOrld.
http://www.thunderclann.home.ro/ThunderClanLineage2.jpg
I thought there was a free trial, I can't see it on the site.
Just go out of your sissy princes server and experience the real thing. And see for yourself what these reviews are based on.
Does L2 have a free trial that doesn't require a CC? Because that's the ONLY way I'd consider giving it another shot.
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If u played Lineage 2 before the arenas were implemented, i thinku ve played maybe alfa, not even chronicle 1. I don t know how that was, but it seems like a different game.
The gameplay is the same regardless of the server rates.
I just love pvp. ANd it s fair: if u play a character that doesen t wants to pvp with u, because it s very little lvl compared to u, and u kill him, regardles, it seems fair to me that u turn red, and have the possibility to DROP ur precious items. KARMA comes back to u. U kill, u get killed. U can get rid of karma thou if u kill monsters...oo..mr, u didn t knew that?
DOn t call me noob just because i don t wanna pay for playing on official server. Eaither way, u didn t played the same lineage 2 that i had. U played the alfa alfa game..
U know, there IS A COLOSSEUM (Roman empire had) , it s imense, and it s for PVP.
The Lord of the castle Aden has the top seat.
I bet u never participate on a siege neither...
Dude, u haven t played the game! u played only the shadow of l2.
And i m sorry if i was rude, i didn t ment to. I respekt ur opinion.
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To be brutally honest 6/10 is being far too generous to L2. Honestly this game rates as a 2/10 at best as it only has a couple of redeeming values, the rest of the game is crap.
Firstly comparing a free server to Live servers is pointless, since they can be modified to be substantially different. Also keep in mind that the average new player is never going to know about free servers, they are going to experience live content and that rating is exactly what they will experience.
Graphics, are not that good. Sorry an armor texture and high poly T & A do not make a good character model. The animations are poor, the movement is rigid, proportions are average at best. L2 is a glaring example of the term Sex sells, because that is darn near the only thing that sells the game. It would not bother me so much if the character model was a complete model but they are not. The facial expressions are non existant, even FFXI managed more realistic expressions with lower poly count models. Environment is decent, its better then wow in places but nothing spectacular. For the record if you want to see just how disparing the character models are, break one down in 3ds Max.
NPC's As bad as FFXI. Now anyone who listens to me regularly around here knows how much I loved FFXI, what I do not mention often is the fact that the variety of npc's in that game is honestly what made me quit. I despised fighting the same damn thing for 70 levels, L2 was just as bad..same model..different stats. Of course this is one of the inherit flaws to a level based system. From a PVE standpoint, the AI in this game is only rivalled in stupidity by Shadowbane. ( for the record I am not considering UO here due to age of the game but its Obviously in the same area )
Grind/PVP ..Most here understand how I feel about PVP in a level based environment. Especially when the grind is enough to make even the most hardened PVEer cringe. First of all to design a game to be so PVP centric, then to make the PVP completely dependent on Gear and level, then to make the grind such that the game quit being a game and literally had to be a job to even consider PVP is simple mind boggling to try and figure out what they were thinking. Lineage 2 is just another blatent example of why PVP in a level based environment is a poor idea. There is little skill involved, it comes down to whohas the best gear and or highest level..nothing more. Before anyone even thinks about disputing it, pit two characters of the same level one in D grade one in B grade and see who wins every time. then pit two with a mere 8 level difference and see who wins every time.
Music, now this is one of the very few area's I will give L2 props on. The score is impressive, and very immersive. Honestly It was good enough that I almost have considered from time to time creating an account on a free server just because the score makes it worth it. I am a music lover so this is one of the only two factors I consider marketable traits in this game. The other one obviously does not appeal to me as can be contrived from the tone of my statement, but I consider that appealing to a far larger audience then music. Most people are driven by asthetics instead of emotion.
The Kharma system was good in theory poor in practice. The idea behind it to help curb people from ganking was good. Unfortunatlly in actual practice it proves just as inept as every other attempt to balance Level based PvP. You literally have two choices, Stand and die so you can flag someone red who honestly does not care anyhow and hope someone else kills them. Or fight back and get no reward for killing them. Yes that is an amazing amount of incentive...not. This is only thrown into even sharper contrast by the fact that gear is just as hard to get and time consuming as any PVE primary game, and power altering.
Of course toss in the Adena bots, the hacks, exploits and the fact that L2 has one of the worst communities as far as maturity goes of any MMO out ( with exception to WoW i actually think WoW's cesspool of a community is worse ), and you have on a live server one of the worst experiences for a player imaginable.
Lineage 2 is not hardcore...its diehards refusing to admit they are wrong..aka Idiocy.