Does nobody else realize that WoW doesn't really have PVP? It's a mini-game.
Well, although I kind of despise WoW, I have to side with WoW in this matter. You can not really compare it with games like UO, DF etc. It surely has no "meaningful pvp" - granted. But I had fun with WoWs PvP for several months. And I still log in from time to time to get into some BGs etc. The PvP mechanics works very well in WoW and is a lot of fun! You can compare it to Guild Wars (no sense in PvPing there too).
I love sandbox and really don't like WoW and all those WoW clones out there, but if you don't take WoW as an MMO, more like a battlefield or counterstrike (well in fact its much better than the latter, simply because you have kind of a connection to your char), it works very very well! Since UO I hadn't have so much fun PvPing. It really takes years to master your char (in my case rogue). Try makind duels with good players from all different classes. Without YEAR's of practise, you won't have a chance.
Don't make the mistake and expect anything beyond that in WoW.
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The ironic thing is, neither Darkfall or (possibly) MO cant even reach the 10 year old Arsheron's Call - Darktide to its knees. And on top of it all, its not even listed as an option!? while WAR, Aion and WoW pride the poll in its full pride and fail. Atleast put up an "other" option!
So running in circles and pressing 4 buttons in rotation is a better combat system without any skill needed at all other than to be able to circle strafe? Fail more.
In WoW I have more then 50 different skills and abilites on hotbar and use them all constantly.
In DF i had only shooting a blue crap spell and hitting a sword with 1 boring animation. Fun fun
that's because your were a noob, l2p.
There are easily over a hundred spells in Darkfall.
Than why in every mass pvp video with hardcore DF pvpers, they are running around spamming blue crap spell?
Combat system in DF sucks, end of discussion.
you have obviously never played DF and if you had you probably only played for one day LOL, I could go buy WoW right now play one day and say it sucks too vanilla WoW was good but now its crap I could never go back I'm currently playing DF and its the best out there and this expansion is just making it 10x as epic so end of discussion no skill required in WoW auto target shit is gay
I voted for EvE because of the war PvP infuses all aspects of EvE such as mining and the trading markets.
DF online i suspect will become the best sandbox mmo in the fantasy area because i see it now as EvE was all those years ago full of bugs missing content and placeholder mechanics such as the old missile system. If DF survives long enough it can be a good fantasy sandbox game just as EvE is a good scifi sandbox game.
Concerning MO its not even out yet and while its features look good on paper we have seen time and again that on paper features dont always make it.
As fow WoW well its a good themepark mmo and is EXTREAMLY popular but i have to say the PvP is too gear based and needs more work [which i belive Blizzard are doing].
EDIT: I forgot to mention to the OP that sadly it seems your poll has been flooded by DF fabois with multiple poster account with the purpose of inflating DF's percentage.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Originally posted by HYPERI0N DF online i suspect will become the best sandbox mmo in the fantasy area because i see it now as EvE was all those years ago full of bugs missing content and placeholder mechanics such as the old missile system. If DF survives long enough it can be a good fantasy sandbox game just as EvE is a good scifi sandbox game.
Do you follow DF right now? this expansion they are doing is adding sooo much content It's really starting to get polished and I do agree DF has lots of bugs right now but there is no competetion imo
Wow is still the ONLY mmo that got huge pvp tournaments Guild Wars has tournaments and had pretty big ones in the past. EVE has pretty large ones too.
Wow is still the ONLY mmo that require a huge amount of binds and knowleges about your oponent. A lot of MMOs require you to know all the classes inside and out in order to play at a very high level not just WoW. people hate wow beacuse its the biggest, not beacuse its the baddest.
Wow pvp is pretty decent.
You are on mmorpg.com it's the WoW hate meca. Most people around here can't even give you a coherent reason why they hate it and they'll usually end up raging real hard foaming at the mouth if you disagree with them. That's just how it is.
WoW has a very fluid combat system and takes a lot of knowledge, quickness, min/maxing in order to compete at a high level there's no denying that otherwise there wouldn't be professional players and a huge amount of people that fail at being professional players because they just aren't good enough.
Though it's still not a "pvp" game. The main attraction of WoW is not pvp, the focus of WoW is not pvp, and I think that's really what people mean when they hate on it in this type of conversation, they just don't really know how to put it with all that drool coming down the side of their mouth.
I dont choose EVE becouse i dont like spacegames sorry.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Forgetting one of best pvp mmo's of all time for this POLL?: Asherons call-Darktide is btw unforgiven and huge blunder:(
How can you forget that game is beyond me?
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Originally posted by HYPERI0N EDIT: I forgot to mention to the OP that sadly it seems your poll has been flooded by DF fabois with multiple poster account with the purpose of inflating DF's percentage.
It has nothing to do with the fact that darkfall is actually a really good PvP mmo then?
Originally posted by HYPERI0N EDIT: I forgot to mention to the OP that sadly it seems your poll has been flooded by DF fabois with multiple poster account with the purpose of inflating DF's percentage.
It has nothing to do with the fact that darkfall is actually a really good PvP mmo then?
Just putting this out there because I want my early days of DAOC back. I know it wont really be matched but what is everyones opinion on the best pvp game out there now?
*opening can of worms*
lol....this is going to be interesting to see where it falls. Darkfall and Aion are the 2 favored PvP games, I believe, on the market today. Not because I looked at your poll, but b/c I know where, or at least I believe I think I understand where your coming from, having played for several years. I lean towards Darkfall on the US1 server though; with the complete player-driven ecosystem and a very broad range of activities to be had solo, group, pvp, and soon to be better pve with the upcoming patch.
I voted for EVE but I suspect Darkfall is much better. DFO integrates what I like bout PVP a bit more- player skill, global banking (this way iof you quit a guild its easier to move to a new area), and less emphasis on markets.
Plus in DFO you dont have to wait on a real life timer for skills.
I've played EVE for years and lived out in 0.0. But been looking for a new experience.
I would've voted for DFO but didnt have a chance to pvp yet.
For now I vote for EVE but from what ive seen in films DFO looks a lot more exciting cause you can dodge incoming fire. In EVE, you just point and click and hit-and-miss is determined by a dice roll. So even though the strategy is there its missing the reflexes and such that I like in FPS games
Originally posted by HYPERI0N EDIT: I forgot to mention to the OP that sadly it seems your poll has been flooded by DF fabois with multiple poster account with the purpose of inflating DF's percentage.
It has nothing to do with the fact that darkfall is actually a really good PvP mmo then?
That's unpossible!!
Actually its not i Darkfall is a really good PvP mmo its just that its not as good in other areas......something that future expansions will fix im sure. Thats why i feel DF is like EvE was when it first came out.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
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No Hello Kitty online option?
Well, although I kind of despise WoW, I have to side with WoW in this matter. You can not really compare it with games like UO, DF etc. It surely has no "meaningful pvp" - granted. But I had fun with WoWs PvP for several months. And I still log in from time to time to get into some BGs etc. The PvP mechanics works very well in WoW and is a lot of fun! You can compare it to Guild Wars (no sense in PvPing there too).
I love sandbox and really don't like WoW and all those WoW clones out there, but if you don't take WoW as an MMO, more like a battlefield or counterstrike (well in fact its much better than the latter, simply because you have kind of a connection to your char), it works very very well! Since UO I hadn't have so much fun PvPing. It really takes years to master your char (in my case rogue). Try makind duels with good players from all different classes. Without YEAR's of practise, you won't have a chance.
Don't make the mistake and expect anything beyond that in WoW.
Ultima Online without no doubts had the best pvp ever build in a mmorpg game imo.
Ironically, in all of my time playing UO...I hardly ever participated in PVP. Well except for that 3 month stint in BaGook Tribe.
Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.
OP, purchase darkfall
if ever, I've played MO beta for a long time and the combat is not in any way better than dfs combat
if ever, I've played MO beta for a long time and the combat is not in any way better than dfs combat
Not even on paper?
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Darkfall
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
The ironic thing is, neither Darkfall or (possibly) MO cant even reach the 10 year old Arsheron's Call - Darktide to its knees. And on top of it all, its not even listed as an option!? while WAR, Aion and WoW pride the poll in its full pride and fail. Atleast put up an "other" option!
In WoW I have more then 50 different skills and abilites on hotbar and use them all constantly.
In DF i had only shooting a blue crap spell and hitting a sword with 1 boring animation. Fun fun
that's because your were a noob, l2p.
There are easily over a hundred spells in Darkfall.
Than why in every mass pvp video with hardcore DF pvpers, they are running around spamming blue crap spell?
Combat system in DF sucks, end of discussion.
you have obviously never played DF and if you had you probably only played for one day LOL, I could go buy WoW right now play one day and say it sucks too vanilla WoW was good but now its crap I could never go back I'm currently playing DF and its the best out there and this expansion is just making it 10x as epic so end of discussion no skill required in WoW auto target shit is gay
I voted for EvE because of the war PvP infuses all aspects of EvE such as mining and the trading markets.
DF online i suspect will become the best sandbox mmo in the fantasy area because i see it now as EvE was all those years ago full of bugs missing content and placeholder mechanics such as the old missile system. If DF survives long enough it can be a good fantasy sandbox game just as EvE is a good scifi sandbox game.
Concerning MO its not even out yet and while its features look good on paper we have seen time and again that on paper features dont always make it.
As fow WoW well its a good themepark mmo and is EXTREAMLY popular but i have to say the PvP is too gear based and needs more work [which i belive Blizzard are doing].
EDIT: I forgot to mention to the OP that sadly it seems your poll has been flooded by DF fabois with multiple poster account with the purpose of inflating DF's percentage.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Do you follow DF right now? this expansion they are doing is adding sooo much content It's really starting to get polished and I do agree DF has lots of bugs right now but there is no competetion imo
Everquest
Every other game has fake and boring instanced PvP or PvPs with rules or PvP but only in specific zones. Bunch of carebear MMOs
I think I is retarded after readin this here post.
I cant belive the wow hate here.
Wow is still the ONLY mmo that got huge pvp tournaments
Wow is still the ONLY mmo that require a huge amount of binds and knowleges about your oponent.
people hate wow beacuse its the biggest, not beacuse its the baddest.
Wow pvp is pretty decent.
You are on mmorpg.com it's the WoW hate meca. Most people around here can't even give you a coherent reason why they hate it and they'll usually end up raging real hard foaming at the mouth if you disagree with them. That's just how it is.
WoW has a very fluid combat system and takes a lot of knowledge, quickness, min/maxing in order to compete at a high level there's no denying that otherwise there wouldn't be professional players and a huge amount of people that fail at being professional players because they just aren't good enough.
Though it's still not a "pvp" game. The main attraction of WoW is not pvp, the focus of WoW is not pvp, and I think that's really what people mean when they hate on it in this type of conversation, they just don't really know how to put it with all that drool coming down the side of their mouth.
For me its DAOC, was my first real MMO, tried numerous MMO's since and frankly I seem to go back to DAOC al the time.
EVE - bordom got to me, gate humping sucked, mining sucked
WOW - gfx sucked, PVP was limited at best - felt like Sponge bob square pants all the time.
Tried tons of others, AOC, WAR, EQ2, GW ad infinitum.
To each their own.
Darkfall no doub about that!
I dont choose EVE becouse i dont like spacegames sorry.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Forgetting one of best pvp mmo's of all time for this POLL?: Asherons call-Darktide is btw unforgiven and huge blunder:(
How can you forget that game is beyond me?
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
It has nothing to do with the fact that darkfall is actually a really good PvP mmo then?
It has nothing to do with the fact that darkfall is actually a really good PvP mmo then?
That's unpossible!!
*opening can of worms*
lol....this is going to be interesting to see where it falls. Darkfall and Aion are the 2 favored PvP games, I believe, on the market today. Not because I looked at your poll, but b/c I know where, or at least I believe I think I understand where your coming from, having played for several years. I lean towards Darkfall on the US1 server though; with the complete player-driven ecosystem and a very broad range of activities to be had solo, group, pvp, and soon to be better pve with the upcoming patch.
. . .but that's not a word.
I voted for EVE but I suspect Darkfall is much better. DFO integrates what I like bout PVP a bit more- player skill, global banking (this way iof you quit a guild its easier to move to a new area), and less emphasis on markets.
Plus in DFO you dont have to wait on a real life timer for skills.
I've played EVE for years and lived out in 0.0. But been looking for a new experience.
I would've voted for DFO but didnt have a chance to pvp yet.
For now I vote for EVE but from what ive seen in films DFO looks a lot more exciting cause you can dodge incoming fire. In EVE, you just point and click and hit-and-miss is determined by a dice roll. So even though the strategy is there its missing the reflexes and such that I like in FPS games
It has nothing to do with the fact that darkfall is actually a really good PvP mmo then?
That's unpossible!!
Actually its not i Darkfall is a really good PvP mmo its just that its not as good in other areas......something that future expansions will fix im sure. Thats why i feel DF is like EvE was when it first came out.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I'm sorry WoW had pvp? I didn't know that lol