Rockk, you are pathetic. You are getting all pissy and whiny about people who don't like your game? It's like getting pissed at someone because they don't like same kind of food as you do. Grow up, it's a game, not everyone likes the same game as you do. Apperantly, lots of people don't like L2, and you won't change their opinion. Especially by representing the game and acting like a little kid. If game is full of kids like you, then that's another reason why L2 sucks.
Originally posted by Rockk If u played Lineage 2 before the arenas were implemented, i thinku ve played maybe alfa, not even chronicle 1. I don t know how that was, but it seems like a different game.The gameplay is the same regardless of the server rates. I just love pvp. ANd it s fair: if u play a character that doesen t wants to pvp with u, because it s very little lvl compared to u, and u kill him, regardles, it seems fair to me that u turn red, and have the possibility to DROP ur precious items. KARMA comes back to u. U kill, u get killed. U can get rid of karma thou if u kill monsters...oo..mr, u didn t knew that? DOn t call me noob just because i don t wanna pay for playing on official server. Eaither way, u didn t played the same lineage 2 that i had. U played the alfa alfa game.. U know, there IS A COLOSSEUM (Roman empire had) , it s imense, and it s for PVP.The Lord of the castle Aden has the top seat. I bet u never participate on a siege neither... Dude, u haven t played the game! u played only the shadow of l2. And i m sorry if i was rude, i didn t ment to. I respekt ur opinion.
we were the first guild to take a castle in public, so ya I have seiged
and having pvp in an arena, does not make the game a pvp game, thats the same lame crap as duels
ur narrow minded, u can t see the tree from the leafs... ur loss.
Play with ugly characters, i ll play with beautifull elven girls, or muscular type young characters, that i can relate too. Not with old mustache like ugly as hell characters like all other games: WOW, Everquest, Guild Wars.
I ll play in a beautifull modeled, robust environment, not like cartoon like WOW, or ugly as hell everquest.
I `ll ride a strider in a hard bassed stomp, u`ll ride little cartoponish tigers, or hack knows what.
I`ll make friends wile u`ll still be wining about how poor is this game.
If it s so bad, why do milions of people play it? Go back to ur little world, and play what the media tells u too. Be aggresive, unrespectfull, untoughtfull...
You missed the point of this topic, all i wanted was to make good. If i knew back in 2003-2004 lineage 2 existed, i had been playing it all this time, and not vasting my time with Doom 3, nfs underground and such. FOr me Lineage 2 is the best game i ever played, and i am amazed y the details they put in the game, by the good character balancing, bythe pvp system ( i ve beated many time shigher characters, of course u have to be a morron to attack a 20 lvl higher character..but then again...)...
Graphics 9.9 on this site, thou i see that the older members blame it, and say it s "Sexist" uuuu...EVIL, BEAUTIFULL, HOT < SEXY RPG CHARACTERS with CLEAr texture, superb dynamic movement, are PURE EVIl--- BE afffraidd...
That s what ur saying...so
For those who haven t played this game, u definitley missed something big
For those who played it and haven t found nothing appealing in it...play somethign else, feel good, all the best...play chest or i donno
For those who don t play this game because of the review on the site (just like i did first) You make the biggest mistake Ever.
Originally posted by Rockk ur narrow minded, u can t see the tree from the leafs... ur loss.
Yes, yes, I know, we're all beautiful snowflakes, all different but special in our own way. Sorry, but that's a lie. Some of those snowflakes are fucking ugly.
Play with ugly characters, i ll play with beautifull elven girls, or muscular type young characters, that i can relate too.
You can relate to playing with beautiful elven girls? You may want to get, uh, *special* help about that one.
Not with old mustache like ugly as hell characters like all other games: WOW, Everquest, Guild Wars.
Logan's Run as applied to MMORPGs.
I ll play in a beautifull modeled, robust environment, not like cartoon like WOW, or ugly as hell everquest.I `ll ride a strider in a hard bassed stomp, u`ll ride little cartoponish tigers, or hack knows what.
"My imaginary ride is so much cooler than your imaginary ride!"
I`ll make friends wile u`ll still be wining about how poor is this game.
Odd, I haven't had much difficulty making friends in the game I'm in (FFXI). And to be honest, I almost never think about how sucky Lineage II is, except when I'm reading your posts.
If it s so bad, why do milions of people play it? Go back to ur little world, and play what the media tells u too. Be aggresive, unrespectfull, untoughtfull...
"Don't listen to the crowds! Play this game becuase, uh, lots of people play it!"
You missed the point of this topic, all i wanted was to make good. If i knew back in 2003-2004 lineage 2 existed, i had been playing it all this time, and not vasting my time with Doom 3, nfs underground and such. FOr me Lineage 2 is the best game i ever played, and i am amazed y the details they put in the game, by the good character balancing, bythe pvp system ( i ve beated many time shigher characters, of course u have to be a morron to attack a 20 lvl higher character..but then again...)...Graphics 9.9 on this site, thou i see that the older members blame it, and say it s "Sexist" uuuu...EVIL, BEAUTIFULL, HOT < SEXY RPG CHARACTERS with CLEAr texture, superb dynamic movement, are PURE EVIl--- BE afffraidd...
Nope, not evil at all. Poorly animated characters whose only redeeming design feature is that they have HUMONGOUS BOOBS THAT JIGGLE, on the other hand...
That s what ur saying...soFor those who haven t played this game, u definitley missed something bigFor those who played it and haven t found nothing appealing in it...play somethign else, feel good, all the best...play chest or i donnoFor those who don t play this game because of the review on the site (just like i did first) You make the biggest mistake Ever.Have a good night, i will.
It would probably help your arguments if you didn't come across as subliterate.
rockk you said this "If it s so bad, why do milions of people play it?"
You are contradicting yourself, you slate WoW yet that has millions of subscribers so how can that be as bad as you make it out to be ?
The answer is simple everyone is different we all like different games, i personally dont like either WoW or L2 (i have high lvl chars in both game and with L2 on official and unofficial servers) but i will not call people morons and the such just cus of there like or dislike of the game they play.
No game out there is the best mmorpg ever cus if it was it would have everything for everyone and we would all be playing it.
This Rockk guy is a hilarious kid. It's funny how he puts emphesis on "graphics", like it's the most important aspect of a game lol. Kid, once again, everyone has their own taste, and apperantly lots of people don't like Lineage 2! Is it so hard to understand? You are going to smack talk every person who says that they don't like the game? Grow the hell up! People don't like it, get used to it, and move on.
Advice for future, if you want more people to play a game you do, don't advertise, because the way I see it, the more you write, the less people will want to play that game.
"My game rocks! Look at all these shiny graphics! You can even pvp in arenas. So what that you have to spend years to become competetive, while you do so, you can enjoy all the shiny and cute character models, because, afterall, graphics make a game! Your game sucks, play mine, or you are not hardcore!"
i have tried the game myself, and although it was kind of fun at the beginning. i started to get farmers, macros, hackers, which naturally made it not so fun anymore. it got to the point where you couldnt win in a pvp battle, and people would kill you for no reason. i got to lvl 43 before i decided to quit, so you cant say i didnt give it enough of a chance. secondly, there are almost no quests and basically no storyline, its boring as hell. all you do is basically kill stuff over and over with no point to it, and its not easy at all to level, as i remember it took me a whole day (6-8houras of play) to get from 42-43, which pretty much twisted the knife.
Linegae 2 was my first MMORPG. I played untill lvl 50 and had a lot of fun with it. There is no better pvp anywhere in the MMORPG world then there is in Lineage 2. Castle Sieges and clan wars are fun, having your alliance hold the majority of the castles and ruleing a server is fun too :P. I left Lineage 2 when WOW came out, which i think is a little better. In Lineage 2, the lvl grind is long, boring and not at all fun. In WOW i didnt gind at all to hit 50, just quested. If a lvl 70 Lineage 2 toon feel into my lap i would go back and play 24/7, but i will not waist my time and eyesight and life to grind it anymore.
"There is no better pvp anywhere in the MMORPG world then there is in Lineage 2"
if clicking a player and spamming soulshots is the best pvp there is, then this is a VERY dark age for pvp mmorpg's. but to be serious, the pvp in Lineage 2 is close to the worst ever. not the pvp system, the pvp system is fine. but the actual pvp is crap, click and enemy, spam the same skill or soulshots and pray you click faster then your opponent.
I used to hate it with a passion too, but they added so much so I'm back, and finally tons of quests. Perfect game to play at work when it's dead. This thread is hilarious.
Originally posted by Dekoth To be brutally honest 6/10 is being far too generous to L2. Honestly this game rates as a 2/10 at best as it only has a couple of redeeming values, the rest of the game is crap. Firstly comparing a free server to Live servers is pointless, since they can be modified to be substantially different. Also keep in mind that the average new player is never going to know about free servers, they are going to experience live content and that rating is exactly what they will experience. Graphics, are not that good. Sorry an armor texture and high poly T & A do not make a good character model. The animations are poor, the movement is rigid, proportions are average at best. L2 is a glaring example of the term Sex sells, because that is darn near the only thing that sells the game. It would not bother me so much if the character model was a complete model but they are not. The facial expressions are non existant, even FFXI managed more realistic expressions with lower poly count models. Environment is decent, its better then wow in places but nothing spectacular. For the record if you want to see just how disparing the character models are, break one down in 3ds Max. NPC's As bad as FFXI. Now anyone who listens to me regularly around here knows how much I loved FFXI, what I do not mention often is the fact that the variety of npc's in that game is honestly what made me quit. I despised fighting the same damn thing for 70 levels, L2 was just as bad..same model..different stats. Of course this is one of the inherit flaws to a level based system. From a PVE standpoint, the AI in this game is only rivalled in stupidity by Shadowbane. ( for the record I am not considering UO here due to age of the game but its Obviously in the same area ) Grind/PVP ..Most here understand how I feel about PVP in a level based environment. Especially when the grind is enough to make even the most hardened PVEer cringe. First of all to design a game to be so PVP centric, then to make the PVP completely dependent on Gear and level, then to make the grind such that the game quit being a game and literally had to be a job to even consider PVP is simple mind boggling to try and figure out what they were thinking. Lineage 2 is just another blatent example of why PVP in a level based environment is a poor idea. There is little skill involved, it comes down to whohas the best gear and or highest level..nothing more. Before anyone even thinks about disputing it, pit two characters of the same level one in D grade one in B grade and see who wins every time. then pit two with a mere 8 level difference and see who wins every time. Music, now this is one of the very few area's I will give L2 props on. The score is impressive, and very immersive. Honestly It was good enough that I almost have considered from time to time creating an account on a free server just because the score makes it worth it. I am a music lover so this is one of the only two factors I consider marketable traits in this game. The other one obviously does not appeal to me as can be contrived from the tone of my statement, but I consider that appealing to a far larger audience then music. Most people are driven by asthetics instead of emotion. The Kharma system was good in theory poor in practice. The idea behind it to help curb people from ganking was good. Unfortunatlly in actual practice it proves just as inept as every other attempt to balance Level based PvP. You literally have two choices, Stand and die so you can flag someone red who honestly does not care anyhow and hope someone else kills them. Or fight back and get no reward for killing them. Yes that is an amazing amount of incentive...not. This is only thrown into even sharper contrast by the fact that gear is just as hard to get and time consuming as any PVE primary game, and power altering. Of course toss in the Adena bots, the hacks, exploits and the fact that L2 has one of the worst communities as far as maturity goes of any MMO out ( with exception to WoW i actually think WoW's cesspool of a community is worse ), and you have on a live server one of the worst experiences for a player imaginable. Lineage 2 is not hardcore...its diehards refusing to admit they are wrong..aka Idiocy.
Wow, someone had an hour to kill LOL, well thought out post though. Chronicle 3 is out now and they added lots of stuff, lots of good stuff. Lineage 2 graphics stomp on FFXI though, not just a little either, although there is just way more diversity in FFXI. FFXI graphics are bland in comparison.
They added lots of quests, I can't help it I like it. I always loved my time in Lineage 2 I just hated that there were NO quests. It is great fun now, although once you get to the high levels the grind can get to you. Also the farmers are evil but they have long since moved to top teir zones so you're very safe as a n00b now.
I started a new charcter on a new server though and it's just so freakin fun. The drops are rare so you really feel like you got something when you get something good. Also the newbie guides give buffs to your first character to get level 6 on the server now till it reaches level 24. So you get a free wind walk and shield, it helps a lot.
Lineage 2 is hardcore, although level and gear do have a bit too much bearing on PvP success. Skill and teamwork will help a lot though.
Cmon Dekoth, 2/10? Get real. When was the last time you played? I hated this game before too, but games change and this one changed a LOT. Gives me hope for WoW.
Ive played L2 on and off since open beta. I have a level 49 Shillien Knight. I would consider myself a MMORPG veteran, having played Everquest (4years) Everquest 2, WOW, Guildwars (this game isnt really a MMORPG). Daoc, UO. I have a job, a band a girlfriend.
Now thats out of the way. L2 isnt a bad game, it has improved ALOT since release with the chronicle additions. I still play, I still have fun I am a casual player I still get something out of it only spending a hour or two playing it a week. But then again I have a clan and good friends.
Lineage 2 however has a number of HUGE flaws, which keep it back from being a truly good game. Even with these flaws its still better than wow which IMO is just Kiddie everquest and is far too easy. It makes me yawn. Guild wars doesnt count cause its not a mmorpg.
anyway.....
1) The grind is horrid. Completely overblown and at times boring. (yes if you play on a private server you have no idea what your talking about). Not only do you have XP grind, you have adena, and special ability xp grinds as well. I have personally delevelled a number of times just to get on par with my equipment and special ability xp
2) The community is Moronic, only WOW can lay claim to a worse one in the MMORPG scene. Botters, hackers, scammers you name it the filth of gamming are all here, and have free reign.
3) The Economy is broken. Millions of adena is required to upgrade. Some say botters and farmers are actually healthy and nessesary in this game and thats just so horribly wrong on so many levels, but they are probably right. The economy by design is that bad.
4) Customer service is bad. No Gm events, no scamming or player conduct policies, so scamming, hacking, botting is basically encouraged no matter what the dev team will tell you. ridiculous naming policy you will see waterbaby6534 and ghjfkdj amoungst other gibberish names constantly (one of my pet peeve's in this genre)
5) This is a PVP game, but dont expect to get to the 'core' of the game till you are over lv 60. Blame the grind.
The list goes on. yet somehow I still get enjoyment out of the game. try it if you wish, the reviews are outdated. it is much improved and you could have fun if you enjoy harcore games and dont mind grinding, but dont say I didnt warn you.
I left just after C3, and yes, the gring was lessened at lower levels. However, the game is still uni-dimensional, just login, kill monsters, rest, repeat at nauseam, logout. On a positive side, seems there's some end game content (siegues and stuff), unlike most mmorpgs.
What, private servers for R2 are really free? How confusing. I guess I'll find a highly populated one to try this game out. About grind...well...I've mindlessly grinded in RO(yea yea, L2's grind is most likely worse) so I guess I shouldn't have a problem getting into this game...I hope.
And geez, STFU to those who spammed/advertised for other games in this thread. How pathetic ; how much did the respective companies pay you anyway.
lineage 2 graphics are amazing, no doubt about that, when i played the game, theres was a big problem with bots and farmers beacuse theres is a huge ebay market for the game. back then the game was a giant grindfest, grinding the same kind of mobs to make xp and money. this was back in chronicle 1, i dont know what has changed since chronicle 3 but i dont think i will go back to it, the pvp in other games along with the combat system is more fun than lineage and i think thats the main problem lineage faces (along with the bots).
Wow ya'll have dragged a discussion about one of the world's most boring MMORPG's on for 9 pages? I'm impressed!!!!!
"Best MMORPG" is a subjective. Obviously the OP thinks it's the best but it's also obvious that most westerners (and face it, this is a US Site) don't care much for Lineage or Lineage II.
Therefore, since the vast majority of posters and visitors to this site are from the US and Europe (Two Markets where Lineage II has failed to catch on, with under 70k subscribers total between the two locations) it's safe to say that it's going to get lower ratings than it would/does in Asia.
Lineage II is a boring unmitigated Grind fest. There's no real questing in it and there's no Crafting in it whatsoever. All there is to do is kill creatures or other players. I personally found it exciting and fun.... for about 15-20 levels. After that it became just a mindless monotonous grind with nothing to do to break up the tedium. Then add the rampant bots and hacks that went on and the game just wasn't worth playing.
Lineage II is a decent MMO with beautiful graphics. The animations are lousy though and I don't like the Anime' look to the characters (others do, personally I don't like running around with a bunch of Poke-e'-Mon heroes).
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online. Sig image Pending Still in: A couple Betas
Wow, someone had an hour to kill LOL, well thought out post though. Chronicle 3 is out now and they added lots of stuff, lots of good stuff. Lineage 2 graphics stomp on FFXI though, not just a little either, although there is just way more diversity in FFXI. FFXI graphics are bland in comparison. Heh, it actually took me only a few minutes to type this. As far as the graphical comparison to FFXI That I will not disagree with. FFXI graphics are by no means stellar, but they did a flatly better job with making the character models feel more lifelike. There is much more involved with a good character model then a high poly count. As I said, I left FFXI dispite how much I like it due to getting fed up with fighting the same npc model for 70+ levels.
They added lots of quests, I can't help it I like it. I always loved my time in Lineage 2 I just hated that there were NO quests. It is great fun now, although once you get to the high levels the grind can get to you. Also the farmers are evil but they have long since moved to top teir zones so you're very safe as a n00b now.
I started a new charcter on a new server though and it's just so freakin fun. The drops are rare so you really feel like you got something when you get something good. Also the newbie guides give buffs to your first character to get level 6 on the server now till it reaches level 24. So you get a free wind walk and shield, it helps a lot.
Its nice they are helping the newbies out, but that does not really matter to me. I am not much of a quest driven person unless the benefits are obvious i.e. EQ2 where a large portion of your experience could be derived from questing and it helped level faster. This is nice and all but again I was simply talking about the overall mechanics of the game.
Lineage 2 is hardcore, although level and gear do have a bit too much bearing on PvP success. Skill and teamwork will help a lot though.
Its all perception in the end, I disagree with Lineage2 being hardcore. To me nothing outside the excessive grind is hardcore about Lineage 2. The learning curve is minimal, its only gear that truly seperates players in PVP. Skill may help some, it always will help some but ultimatly a player with vastly better gear and or higher levels will not be bested by someone without under any circumstances. But again, perception if that is hardcore to someone else more power to them. But from my perspective I simply refuse to give a game that claims to be PVP centric yet fits the exact same cookie cutter mold of unoriginality that nearly every game since EQ has, a thumbs up.
Cmon Dekoth, 2/10? Get real. When was the last time you played? I hated this game before too, but games change and this one changed a LOT. Gives me hope for WoW.
Last I played was C2..the Game disgusted me in Beta, it continued to do so after the C1 patch and C3 was no exception. It really does not honestly matter to me how many patches they throw at it, it's not going to change. The simple reason is its flawed at its core, Oh I am certain they could do an overhaul of their combat system like SWG but then that will alienate their current player base and would be a stupid move.
4) Customer service is bad. No Gm events, no scamming or player conduct policies, so scamming, hacking, botting is basically encouraged no matter what the dev team will tell you. ridiculous naming policy you will see waterbaby6534 and ghjfkdj amoungst other gibberish names constantly (one of my pet peeve's in this genre)
Interestingly enough, one of the Few things I applaud the L2 team over is not interfering with scamming. To me that is up to the players to deal with not the GM's. Lets be brutally honest for a moment, If you are stupid enough to get yourself taken advantage of by a scam then you deserved to lose whever you lost. I have been gaming in online games honestly since they really hit the market and I have never once been taken advantage of by a scammer. Oh sure plenty have tried but the way I see it, You are either dumb enough to fall for it, or you are not. On the naming policy, as much as I hate people with innane name's I would far rather the developer not filter it so I know by default which people I do not ever want to group with.
All the fun in L2 has been borked out of it by exploiting and all that jazz. That is my issue with L2. I had fun playing it and i ocassionally log into the test servers when they are up (at a friend's house) and some of the next chapter things are kinda interesting...but i wouldn't pay to be in that ggaming world again...although the WoW world is catching up in exploiting, currency sales, and all that fun stuff..../sigh
Lineage 2 has a superb story : Legend of Lineage II, every aspect of the story is integrated in the game as part of design and quests too.
I play free on a private server and i enjoy every second of it. THere is no hard level grinding, if u go in party you won t even notice the level grindig. The rates were jsut 5x, so it s not that big of a difference i think.
From what u `ve wrote about the official server, u totally scared me about it, i think i`ll never play there.
The game in my opinion is jsut plain superb and gorgeos.
I never called nobody here morron or stupid, so i don t know what problems do u have with me, mr Chris don t know who, but i won t make of this thread a fight between opinions.
THis is my opinion about something and u should respekt it. But then again i don t really care at all.
Everybody has the right to choose whatever he wants. It s about personal tastes. ALl i do was to describe what i feel and how i see this particular game. I feel that it s beeing underrated unfairley.
THERE IS CRAFTING!! there is an entire Race which skills are CRAFTING-- dwarves are artisans, only they can craft from items, and only they can make b graded armors. U can craft anyitem, it s super kul
Oh, and in my smal country, ROmania (that s Europe), on the private server where i play there are 4200 k Players!!! so don t sayLineage 2 is not catching up. It s damned Addictive!
So the point of the OP is that L2 is a great game if you play it on a EZ mode hack server and a crappy grindfest if you pay to play on the official servers. The official servers as in the servers that any credible reviewer would use as the basis of making a decision on the game. Am i rite?
when we discuss a game, we always do it based on legal, official servers, not private ones. As for crafting, I wouldn't call crafting what lineage 2 does, is just a mater or kill monsters, get recipe, kill more monsters, get materials, mix and voil
Lineage II: The Chaotic Chronicle is the current one right? This thread has finally pushed me to getting this game. I have been going back and forth on wanting L2 for about 2 years now and when I first saw the thread I changed my mind 5 or 6 times reading all the posts. Then I realized that I am not on the same wave length with many MMORPG fans. I loved UO, and the only other MMORPG I really enjoyed was ShadowBane though I have played damn near every major MMORPG out there.
Anyway, I am going the Amazon route because I like to have a tangible game. Chaotic Chronicles is the newest version right?
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Rockk, you are pathetic. You are getting all pissy and whiny about people who don't like your game? It's like getting pissed at someone because they don't like same kind of food as you do. Grow up, it's a game, not everyone likes the same game as you do. Apperantly, lots of people don't like L2, and you won't change their opinion. Especially by representing the game and acting like a little kid. If game is full of kids like you, then that's another reason why L2 sucks.
we were the first guild to take a castle in public, so ya I have seiged
and having pvp in an arena, does not make the game a pvp game, thats the same lame crap as duels
ur narrow minded, u can t see the tree from the leafs... ur loss.
Play with ugly characters, i ll play with beautifull elven girls, or muscular type young characters, that i can relate too. Not with old mustache like ugly as hell characters like all other games: WOW, Everquest, Guild Wars.
I ll play in a beautifull modeled, robust environment, not like cartoon like WOW, or ugly as hell everquest.
I `ll ride a strider in a hard bassed stomp, u`ll ride little cartoponish tigers, or hack knows what.
I`ll make friends wile u`ll still be wining about how poor is this game.
If it s so bad, why do milions of people play it? Go back to ur little world, and play what the media tells u too. Be aggresive, unrespectfull, untoughtfull...
You missed the point of this topic, all i wanted was to make good.
If i knew back in 2003-2004 lineage 2 existed, i had been playing it all this time, and not vasting my time with Doom 3, nfs underground and such. FOr me Lineage 2 is the best game i ever played, and i am amazed y the details they put in the game, by the good character balancing, bythe pvp system ( i ve beated many time shigher characters, of course u have to be a morron to attack a 20 lvl higher character..but then again...)...
Graphics 9.9 on this site, thou i see that the older members blame it, and say it s "Sexist" uuuu...EVIL, BEAUTIFULL, HOT < SEXY RPG CHARACTERS with CLEAr texture, superb dynamic movement, are PURE EVIl--- BE afffraidd...
That s what ur saying...so
For those who haven t played this game, u definitley missed something big
For those who played it and haven t found nothing appealing in it...play somethign else, feel good, all the best...play chest or i donno
For those who don t play this game because of the review on the site (just like i did first) You make the biggest mistake Ever.
Have a good night, i will.
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Yes, yes, I know, we're all beautiful snowflakes, all different but special in our own way. Sorry, but that's a lie. Some of those snowflakes are fucking ugly.
You can relate to playing with beautiful elven girls? You may want to get, uh, *special* help about that one.
Logan's Run as applied to MMORPGs.
"My imaginary ride is so much cooler than your imaginary ride!"
Odd, I haven't had much difficulty making friends in the game I'm in (FFXI). And to be honest, I almost never think about how sucky Lineage II is, except when I'm reading your posts.
"Don't listen to the crowds! Play this game becuase, uh, lots of people play it!"
Nope, not evil at all. Poorly animated characters whose only redeeming design feature is that they have HUMONGOUS BOOBS THAT JIGGLE, on the other hand...
It would probably help your arguments if you didn't come across as subliterate.
Chris Mattern
rockk you said this "If it s so bad, why do milions of people play it?"
You are contradicting yourself, you slate WoW yet that has millions of subscribers so how can that be as bad as you make it out to be ?
The answer is simple everyone is different we all like different games, i personally dont like either WoW or L2 (i have high lvl chars in both game and with L2 on official and unofficial servers) but i will not call people morons and the such just cus of there like or dislike of the game they play.
No game out there is the best mmorpg ever cus if it was it would have everything for everyone and we would all be playing it.
This Rockk guy is a hilarious kid. It's funny how he puts emphesis on "graphics", like it's the most important aspect of a game lol. Kid, once again, everyone has their own taste, and apperantly lots of people don't like Lineage 2! Is it so hard to understand? You are going to smack talk every person who says that they don't like the game? Grow the hell up! People don't like it, get used to it, and move on.
Advice for future, if you want more people to play a game you do, don't advertise, because the way I see it, the more you write, the less people will want to play that game.
"My game rocks! Look at all these shiny graphics! You can even pvp in arenas. So what that you have to spend years to become competetive, while you do so, you can enjoy all the shiny and cute character models, because, afterall, graphics make a game! Your game sucks, play mine, or you are not hardcore!"
i have tried the game myself, and although it was kind of fun at the beginning. i started to get farmers, macros, hackers, which naturally made it not so fun anymore. it got to the point where you couldnt win in a pvp battle, and people would kill you for no reason. i got to lvl 43 before i decided to quit, so you cant say i didnt give it enough of a chance. secondly, there are almost no quests and basically no storyline, its boring as hell. all you do is basically kill stuff over and over with no point to it, and its not easy at all to level, as i remember it took me a whole day (6-8houras of play) to get from 42-43, which pretty much twisted the knife.
The game has a treadmill that will make you want to kill yourself.
Linegae 2 was my first MMORPG. I played untill lvl 50 and had a lot of fun with it. There is no better pvp anywhere in the MMORPG world then there is in Lineage 2. Castle Sieges and clan wars are fun, having your alliance hold the majority of the castles and ruleing a server is fun too :P. I left Lineage 2 when WOW came out, which i think is a little better. In Lineage 2, the lvl grind is long, boring and not at all fun. In WOW i didnt gind at all to hit 50, just quested. If a lvl 70 Lineage 2 toon feel into my lap i would go back and play 24/7, but i will not waist my time and eyesight and life to grind it anymore.
"There is no better pvp anywhere in the MMORPG world then there is in Lineage 2"
if clicking a player and spamming soulshots is the best pvp there is, then this is a VERY dark age for pvp mmorpg's. but to be serious, the pvp in Lineage 2 is close to the worst ever. not the pvp system, the pvp system is fine. but the actual pvp is crap, click and enemy, spam the same skill or soulshots and pray you click faster then your opponent.
Wow, someone had an hour to kill LOL, well thought out post though. Chronicle 3 is out now and they added lots of stuff, lots of good stuff. Lineage 2 graphics stomp on FFXI though, not just a little either, although there is just way more diversity in FFXI. FFXI graphics are bland in comparison.
They added lots of quests, I can't help it I like it. I always loved my time in Lineage 2 I just hated that there were NO quests. It is great fun now, although once you get to the high levels the grind can get to you. Also the farmers are evil but they have long since moved to top teir zones so you're very safe as a n00b now.
I started a new charcter on a new server though and it's just so freakin fun. The drops are rare so you really feel like you got something when you get something good. Also the newbie guides give buffs to your first character to get level 6 on the server now till it reaches level 24. So you get a free wind walk and shield, it helps a lot.
Lineage 2 is hardcore, although level and gear do have a bit too much bearing on PvP success. Skill and teamwork will help a lot though.
Cmon Dekoth, 2/10? Get real. When was the last time you played? I hated this game before too, but games change and this one changed a LOT. Gives me hope for WoW.
Chris Mattern
Chris, English is clearly not his first language. If you didn't get that from his posts, look again.
First post, heh.
Ive played L2 on and off since open beta. I have a level 49 Shillien Knight. I would consider myself a MMORPG veteran, having played Everquest (4years) Everquest 2, WOW, Guildwars (this game isnt really a MMORPG). Daoc, UO. I have a job, a band a girlfriend.
Now thats out of the way. L2 isnt a bad game, it has improved ALOT since release with the chronicle additions. I still play, I still have fun I am a casual player I still get something out of it only spending a hour or two playing it a week. But then again I have a clan and good friends.
Lineage 2 however has a number of HUGE flaws, which keep it back from being a truly good game. Even with these flaws its still better than wow which IMO is just Kiddie everquest and is far too easy. It makes me yawn. Guild wars doesnt count cause its not a mmorpg.
anyway.....
1) The grind is horrid. Completely overblown and at times boring. (yes if you play on a private server you have no idea what your talking about). Not only do you have XP grind, you have adena, and special ability xp grinds as well. I have personally delevelled a number of times just to get on par with my equipment and special ability xp
2) The community is Moronic, only WOW can lay claim to a worse one in the MMORPG scene. Botters, hackers, scammers you name it the filth of gamming are all here, and have free reign.
3) The Economy is broken. Millions of adena is required to upgrade. Some say botters and farmers are actually healthy and nessesary in this game and thats just so horribly wrong on so many levels, but they are probably right. The economy by design is that bad.
4) Customer service is bad. No Gm events, no scamming or player conduct policies, so scamming, hacking, botting is basically encouraged no matter what the dev team will tell you. ridiculous naming policy you will see waterbaby6534 and ghjfkdj amoungst other gibberish names constantly (one of my pet peeve's in this genre)
5) This is a PVP game, but dont expect to get to the 'core' of the game till you are over lv 60. Blame the grind.
The list goes on. yet somehow I still get enjoyment out of the game. try it if you wish, the reviews are outdated. it is much improved and you could have fun if you enjoy harcore games and dont mind grinding, but dont say I didnt warn you.
What, private servers for R2 are really free? How confusing. I guess I'll find a highly populated one to try this game out. About grind...well...I've mindlessly grinded in RO(yea yea, L2's grind is most likely worse) so I guess I shouldn't have a problem getting into this game...I hope.
And geez, STFU to those who spammed/advertised for other games in this thread. How pathetic ; how much did the respective companies pay you anyway.
lineage 2 graphics are amazing, no doubt about that, when i played the game, theres was a big problem with bots and farmers beacuse theres is a huge ebay market for the game. back then the game was a giant grindfest, grinding the same kind of mobs to make xp and money. this was back in chronicle 1, i dont know what has changed since chronicle 3 but i dont think i will go back to it, the pvp in other games along with the combat system is more fun than lineage and i think thats the main problem lineage faces (along with the bots).
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Here my reason why i think this game suck's.
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=169500364
Wow ya'll have dragged a discussion about one of the world's most boring MMORPG's on for 9 pages? I'm impressed!!!!!
"Best MMORPG" is a subjective. Obviously the OP thinks it's the best but it's also obvious that most westerners (and face it, this is a US Site) don't care much for Lineage or Lineage II.
Therefore, since the vast majority of posters and visitors to this site are from the US and Europe (Two Markets where Lineage II has failed to catch on, with under 70k subscribers total between the two locations) it's safe to say that it's going to get lower ratings than it would/does in Asia.
Lineage II is a boring unmitigated Grind fest. There's no real questing in it and there's no Crafting in it whatsoever. All there is to do is kill creatures or other players. I personally found it exciting and fun.... for about 15-20 levels. After that it became just a mindless monotonous grind with nothing to do to break up the tedium. Then add the rampant bots and hacks that went on and the game just wasn't worth playing.
Lineage II is a decent MMO with beautiful graphics. The animations are lousy though and I don't like the Anime' look to the characters (others do, personally I don't like running around with a bunch of Poke-e'-Mon heroes).
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They added lots of quests, I can't help it I like it. I always loved my time in Lineage 2 I just hated that there were NO quests. It is great fun now, although once you get to the high levels the grind can get to you. Also the farmers are evil but they have long since moved to top teir zones so you're very safe as a n00b now.
I started a new charcter on a new server though and it's just so freakin fun. The drops are rare so you really feel like you got something when you get something good. Also the newbie guides give buffs to your first character to get level 6 on the server now till it reaches level 24. So you get a free wind walk and shield, it helps a lot.
Its nice they are helping the newbies out, but that does not really matter to me. I am not much of a quest driven person unless the benefits are obvious i.e. EQ2 where a large portion of your experience could be derived from questing and it helped level faster. This is nice and all but again I was simply talking about the overall mechanics of the game.
Lineage 2 is hardcore, although level and gear do have a bit too much bearing on PvP success. Skill and teamwork will help a lot though.
Its all perception in the end, I disagree with Lineage2 being hardcore. To me nothing outside the excessive grind is hardcore about Lineage 2. The learning curve is minimal, its only gear that truly seperates players in PVP. Skill may help some, it always will help some but ultimatly a player with vastly better gear and or higher levels will not be bested by someone without under any circumstances. But again, perception if that is hardcore to someone else more power to them. But from my perspective I simply refuse to give a game that claims to be PVP centric yet fits the exact same cookie cutter mold of unoriginality that nearly every game since EQ has, a thumbs up.
Cmon Dekoth, 2/10? Get real. When was the last time you played? I hated this game before too, but games change and this one changed a LOT. Gives me hope for WoW.
Last I played was C2..the Game disgusted me in Beta, it continued to do so after the C1 patch and C3 was no exception. It really does not honestly matter to me how many patches they throw at it, it's not going to change. The simple reason is its flawed at its core, Oh I am certain they could do an overhaul of their combat system like SWG but then that will alienate their current player base and would be a stupid move.
4) Customer service is bad. No Gm events, no scamming or player conduct policies, so scamming, hacking, botting is basically encouraged no matter what the dev team will tell you. ridiculous naming policy you will see waterbaby6534 and ghjfkdj amoungst other gibberish names constantly (one of my pet peeve's in this genre)
Interestingly enough, one of the Few things I applaud the L2 team over is not interfering with scamming. To me that is up to the players to deal with not the GM's. Lets be brutally honest for a moment, If you are stupid enough to get yourself taken advantage of by a scam then you deserved to lose whever you lost. I have been gaming in online games honestly since they really hit the market and I have never once been taken advantage of by a scammer. Oh sure plenty have tried but the way I see it, You are either dumb enough to fall for it, or you are not. On the naming policy, as much as I hate people with innane name's I would far rather the developer not filter it so I know by default which people I do not ever want to group with.
Lineage 2 has a superb story : Legend of Lineage II, every aspect of the story is integrated in the game as part of design and quests too.
I play free on a private server and i enjoy every second of it. THere is no hard level grinding, if u go in party you won t even notice the level grindig. The rates were jsut 5x, so it s not that big of a difference i think.
From what u `ve wrote about the official server, u totally scared me about it, i think i`ll never play there.
The game in my opinion is jsut plain superb and gorgeos.
I never called nobody here morron or stupid, so i don t know what problems do u have with me, mr Chris don t know who, but i won t make of this thread a fight between opinions.
THis is my opinion about something and u should respekt it. But then again i don t really care at all.
Everybody has the right to choose whatever he wants. It s about personal tastes. ALl i do was to describe what i feel and how i see this particular game. I feel that it s beeing underrated unfairley.
THERE IS CRAFTING!! there is an entire Race which skills are CRAFTING-- dwarves are artisans, only they can craft from items, and only they can make b graded armors. U can craft anyitem, it s super kul
Oh, and in my smal country, ROmania (that s Europe), on the private server where i play there are 4200 k Players!!! so don t sayLineage 2 is not catching up. It s damned Addictive!
http://www.thunderclann.home.ro/ThunderClanLineage2.jpg
when we discuss a game, we always do it based on legal, official servers, not private ones. As for crafting, I wouldn't call crafting what lineage 2 does, is just a mater or kill monsters, get recipe, kill more monsters, get materials, mix and voil
Lineage II: The Chaotic Chronicle is the current one right? This thread has finally pushed me to getting this game. I have been going back and forth on wanting L2 for about 2 years now and when I first saw the thread I changed my mind 5 or 6 times reading all the posts. Then I realized that I am not on the same wave length with many MMORPG fans. I loved UO, and the only other MMORPG I really enjoyed was ShadowBane though I have played damn near every major MMORPG out there.
Anyway, I am going the Amazon route because I like to have a tangible game. Chaotic Chronicles is the newest version right?